Re: Enlighten me about jigdo ..
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Delian Krustev wrote: > On Friday 14 November 2003 12:41, Richard Atterer wrote: > > An rsync-based scheme (whose design inspired that of jigdo) was used in the > > old days, the "pseudo image kit" (PIK). The use of rsync turned out to be > > problematic (too much load on the server), so one of the aims of jigdo was > > to get rid of rsync. All in all, the PIK worked well, but it didn't scale > > to large numbers of parallel downloads. > > This is a big step backward. Debian has 300 mirrors and push mirroring > already running. Loadbalancing should not be problematic in that case. > If a particular server gets too busy it might limit the number of concurrent > connections. Priority connections might also be considered(e.g. always > allow connection from other mirrors while keep the regular downloaders number > in certain amount). And the cpu power certainly gets cheaper faster than the > bandwith .. > Something more. It's proven to work. Look at the rsync servers at let's say > mirrors.kernel.org or planetmirror.com. The load that PIK caused was that it did an image that was close to the official one (thus "pseudo image") that needed to be rsynced against the real image. The issue was not the load on the debian mirrors but on the debian iso mirrors that kept the real isos available for rsyncing. This rsync ate a lot of cputime. But the real issue is the one later on. Anyone can build "a debian cd", but what people want is "the official debian cd" and that has to be an exact copy of the officially generated and tested one. /Mattias Wadenstein -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
List of udebs to be included on the CDs
Hi, as promised I cleaned up the list of udebs that should be present on the CDs: The lists are in http://cvs.debian.org/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/mirror_udeb/ The lists contain all udebs that aren't obsolete (like the out-of-date gtk udebs) and aren't already on the cdroms initrd. That means all udebs that could possibly be loaded from cdrom. The lists still contain all versions of kernel-image and modules but debian-installer normaly only uses only one (but not on all archs). That might be cleaned up in the near future. MfG Goswin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FWD: Re: Bug#220048: 220048:Cannot boot from CD
debian-cd seems like a more appropriate list for this strange problem - Forwarded message from Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:04:32 +0100 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bug#220048: 220048:Cannot boot from CD Organization: A poorly-maintained Debian GNU/Linux InterNetNews site Reply-To: Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=10.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 On 2003-11-16, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The first CD is isolinux based, all the other CDs in the set are > syslinux based. > > It would show if you can boot syslinux without problems. I'am afraid it is not that problem, as I can boot both ISOLINUX and SYSLINUX CD's correctly, but not beta-1 sarge-i386-netinst. I have the same problem in my SAMSUNG SC-148P CD-ROM connected to an ASUS TX97-X mainboard. The CD boots no problem in a Sony PCGA-CD5 PCMCIA CD-ROM drive and in a Sony PCGA-CRWD1 IEEE 1394 CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives (both connected to a Sony PCG-C1MV notebook). Bug#220936 and http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.boot/16704 Also other people: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/116585 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/116640 The sarge-i386-netinst snapshots 20030817 and 20030928 booted correctly. Both where ISOLINUX 1.75. I have also tried CD 1 and 2 from an old Debian GNU/Linux 2.3 "Woody" - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-* (20010524). These where both SYSLINUX 1.48 1999-09-26 and also boot correctly in all my CD-ROM drives. -- Miernik jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/__ tel: +48608233394 __/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sing a declaration against US invasion in Iraq: http://www.moveon.org/declaration/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Enlighten me about jigdo ..
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003, Delian Krustev wrote: > On Friday 14 November 2003 12:41, Richard Atterer wrote: > > An rsync-based scheme (whose design inspired that of jigdo) was used in the > > old days, the "pseudo image kit" (PIK). The use of rsync turned out to be > > problematic (too much load on the server), so one of the aims of jigdo was > > to get rid of rsync. All in all, the PIK worked well, but it didn't scale > > to large numbers of parallel downloads. > > This is a big step backward. Debian has 300 mirrors and push mirroring > already running. Loadbalancing should not be problematic in that case. > If a particular server gets too busy it might limit the number of concurrent > connections. Priority connections might also be considered(e.g. always > allow connection from other mirrors while keep the regular downloaders number > in certain amount). And the cpu power certainly gets cheaper faster than the > bandwith .. > Something more. It's proven to work. Look at the rsync servers at let's say > mirrors.kernel.org or planetmirror.com. The load that PIK caused was that it did an image that was close to the official one (thus "pseudo image") that needed to be rsynced against the real image. The issue was not the load on the debian mirrors but on the debian iso mirrors that kept the real isos available for rsyncing. This rsync ate a lot of cputime. But the real issue is the one later on. Anyone can build "a debian cd", but what people want is "the official debian cd" and that has to be an exact copy of the officially generated and tested one. /Mattias Wadenstein
List of udebs to be included on the CDs
Hi, as promised I cleaned up the list of udebs that should be present on the CDs: The lists are in http://cvs.debian.org/debian-installer/build/pkg-lists/mirror_udeb/ The lists contain all udebs that aren't obsolete (like the out-of-date gtk udebs) and aren't already on the cdroms initrd. That means all udebs that could possibly be loaded from cdrom. The lists still contain all versions of kernel-image and modules but debian-installer normaly only uses only one (but not on all archs). That might be cleaned up in the near future. MfG Goswin
FWD: Re: Bug#220048: 220048:Cannot boot from CD
debian-cd seems like a more appropriate list for this strange problem - Forwarded message from Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - From: Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:04:32 +0100 To: debian-boot@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Bug#220048: 220048:Cannot boot from CD Organization: A poorly-maintained Debian GNU/Linux InterNetNews site Reply-To: Miernik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.9 required=10.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=2.60 On 2003-11-16, Goswin von Brederlow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The first CD is isolinux based, all the other CDs in the set are > syslinux based. > > It would show if you can boot syslinux without problems. I'am afraid it is not that problem, as I can boot both ISOLINUX and SYSLINUX CD's correctly, but not beta-1 sarge-i386-netinst. I have the same problem in my SAMSUNG SC-148P CD-ROM connected to an ASUS TX97-X mainboard. The CD boots no problem in a Sony PCGA-CD5 PCMCIA CD-ROM drive and in a Sony PCGA-CRWD1 IEEE 1394 CD-RW/DVD-ROM drives (both connected to a Sony PCG-C1MV notebook). Bug#220936 and http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.boot/16704 Also other people: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/116585 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.user/116640 The sarge-i386-netinst snapshots 20030817 and 20030928 booted correctly. Both where ISOLINUX 1.75. I have also tried CD 1 and 2 from an old Debian GNU/Linux 2.3 "Woody" - fsn.hu's i386 Binary-* (20010524). These where both SYSLINUX 1.48 1999-09-26 and also boot correctly in all my CD-ROM drives. -- Miernik jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___/__ tel: +48608233394 __/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sing a declaration against US invasion in Iraq: http://www.moveon.org/declaration/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - End forwarded message - -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature
