jigdo simplified?

2003-02-05 Thread Leo Tilson 
a Chairde


I am writing here not as a Debian user but as an admirer.(Our server at work was 
taken down for hardware upgrade after 510 days of trouble free service) The full 
Debian set is rather overwhelming for my hardware. I however got rather excited 
by the idea of jigdo, and wonder if I might make a suggestion which may make it 
more usable. Downloading and installing a CD worth of software is nothing to be 
taken too lightly, even in my case where I can do it at work during off-peak 
hours and we have a 1Mb line. 

So, you download all these files, and then start installing and are presented 
with a Q$A session asking which packages should be installed, and find that only 
10 or 20% of the files downloaded are actually used on your system. Would it be 
possible to make these decisions before downloading? The idea is like this. I 
connect to your servers and am presented with a list of the packages which are 
available, and make my selection. The dependency tree is worked out and the 
first thing I will download is a list of all the files that I need. My computer 
can then download just these files. It would take quite a bit of work from the 
Debian end to get this system up and running but would conceivably save a 
considerable chunk of bandwidth both at the Debian end, and at the user end.

yours etc.

Leo Tilson




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Re: real diamond fonts

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Atterer 
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:02:48AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to do a cd cover and I'm looking for the real diamond font look can u 
>help 

No, sorry - the only thing we have is a version of the word "Debian" in
this font, in EPS format, see .

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: Debian-390 needs DVD for hercules installation

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Atterer 
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:08:53PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote:
> So, how about it folk?  Any chance a stable release for Debian-390 can be
> made avalable to the vendors out there so I can pay them for their hard
> work in making a DVD for me to install on hercules?

I agree that DVD images would be nice. :)

However, note that IMHO you only need 1200MB of free space for your
"package server" machine to be usable: Transfer the first two CDs to its
HD, mount the third CD, and the resulting set of available packages should
be enough for an installation on the s390.

BTW, HTTP is probably better than NFS for this. See the first point on
 for the necessary sources.list 
entries.

A different possibility is changing /etc/fstab on the s390 during the 
installation in such a way that if /cdrom is mounted there, it is actually 
an NFS mount which corresponds to /cdrom on your package server. So, 
whenever the s390 installation asks you to swap CDs, you only need to mount 
the correct CD on your package server to continue.

HTH,

  Richard

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customized debian

2003-02-05 Thread Andrei Smirnov 
Are there any tools for creating a custom debian-cd set
including:
- custom set of packages (both official and not)
- custom configuration (including conf files created by
  me or scripts and personal (located in $HOME), including some
  dirs (like GNUstep or .xmms)

and for making a snap-shot of custom configuration from a
working system ?

What i find out about debian-cd package - it is possible to
make a cd with user-supplied list of debs, but what about
creating and maintaining this list, and especially about 
configurations made during system run?


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Re: customized debian

2003-02-05 Thread David Lloyd 

Andrei,

> Are there any tools for creating a custom debian-cd set
> including:
> - custom set of packages (both official and not)
> - custom configuration (including conf files created by
>   me or scripts and personal (located in $HOME), including some
>   dirs (like GNUstep or .xmms)
> 
> and for making a snap-shot of custom configuration from a
> working system ?

I'm currently working with the Progeny Installer which may do what you
want...

* http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/

It's not that difficult to set up but takes some getting used to.


DSL


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Re: jigdo simplified?

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Atterer 
Hi Leo,

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:04:59AM -, Leo Tilson wrote:
> The idea is like this. I connect to your servers and am presented with a
> list of the packages which are available, and make my selection. The
> dependency tree is worked out and the first thing I will download is a
> list of all the files that I need. My computer can then download just
> these files.

This feature exists, and has existed for a long time! You first download
only a basic installation system (several floppy disc images, or one of the
"net install" images from ), then you
boot into that and choose a Debian server to download the packages from.

Cheers,

  Richard

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jigdo simplified?

2003-02-05 Thread Leo Tilson 
a Chairde


I am writing here not as a Debian user but as an admirer.(Our server at work 
was 
taken down for hardware upgrade after 510 days of trouble free service) The 
full 
Debian set is rather overwhelming for my hardware. I however got rather excited 
by the idea of jigdo, and wonder if I might make a suggestion which may make it 
more usable. Downloading and installing a CD worth of software is nothing to be 
taken too lightly, even in my case where I can do it at work during off-peak 
hours and we have a 1Mb line. 

So, you download all these files, and then start installing and are presented 
with a Q$A session asking which packages should be installed, and find that 
only 
10 or 20% of the files downloaded are actually used on your system. Would it be 
possible to make these decisions before downloading? The idea is like this. I 
connect to your servers and am presented with a list of the packages which are 
available, and make my selection. The dependency tree is worked out and the 
first thing I will download is a list of all the files that I need. My computer 
can then download just these files. It would take quite a bit of work from the 
Debian end to get this system up and running but would conceivably save a 
considerable chunk of bandwidth both at the Debian end, and at the user end.

yours etc.

Leo Tilson




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Re: real diamond fonts

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Atterer 
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 11:02:48AM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to do a cd cover and I'm looking for the real diamond font look 
> can u help 

No, sorry - the only thing we have is a version of the word "Debian" in
this font, in EPS format, see .

Cheers,

  Richard

-- 
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  |_) /|  Richard Atterer |  CS student at the Technische  |  GnuPG key:
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Re: Debian-390 needs DVD for hercules installation

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Atterer 
On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:08:53PM -0800, Peter Farley wrote:
> So, how about it folk?  Any chance a stable release for Debian-390 can be
> made avalable to the vendors out there so I can pay them for their hard
> work in making a DVD for me to install on hercules?

I agree that DVD images would be nice. :)

However, note that IMHO you only need 1200MB of free space for your
"package server" machine to be usable: Transfer the first two CDs to its
HD, mount the third CD, and the resulting set of available packages should
be enough for an installation on the s390.

BTW, HTTP is probably better than NFS for this. See the first point on
 for the necessary sources.list 
entries.

A different possibility is changing /etc/fstab on the s390 during the 
installation in such a way that if /cdrom is mounted there, it is actually 
an NFS mount which corresponds to /cdrom on your package server. So, 
whenever the s390 installation asks you to swap CDs, you only need to mount 
the correct CD on your package server to continue.

HTH,

  Richard

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customized debian

2003-02-05 Thread Andrei Smirnov 
Are there any tools for creating a custom debian-cd set
including:
- custom set of packages (both official and not)
- custom configuration (including conf files created by
  me or scripts and personal (located in $HOME), including some
  dirs (like GNUstep or .xmms)

and for making a snap-shot of custom configuration from a
working system ?

What i find out about debian-cd package - it is possible to
make a cd with user-supplied list of debs, but what about
creating and maintaining this list, and especially about 
configurations made during system run?

Re: customized debian

2003-02-05 Thread David Lloyd 

Andrei,

> Are there any tools for creating a custom debian-cd set
> including:
> - custom set of packages (both official and not)
> - custom configuration (including conf files created by
>   me or scripts and personal (located in $HOME), including some
>   dirs (like GNUstep or .xmms)
> 
> and for making a snap-shot of custom configuration from a
> working system ?

I'm currently working with the Progeny Installer which may do what you
want...

* http://hackers.progeny.com/pgi/

It's not that difficult to set up but takes some getting used to.


DSL


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Re: jigdo simplified?

2003-02-05 Thread Richard Atterer 
Hi Leo,

On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 11:04:59AM -, Leo Tilson wrote:
> The idea is like this. I connect to your servers and am presented with a
> list of the packages which are available, and make my selection. The
> dependency tree is worked out and the first thing I will download is a
> list of all the files that I need. My computer can then download just
> these files.

This feature exists, and has existed for a long time! You first download
only a basic installation system (several floppy disc images, or one of the
"net install" images from ), then you
boot into that and choose a Debian server to download the packages from.

Cheers,

  Richard

-- 
  __   _
  |_) /|  Richard Atterer |  CS student at the Technische  |  GnuPG key:
  | \/¯|  http://atterer.net  |  Universität München, Germany  |  0x888354F7
  ¯ '` ¯