Re: 3.0r1 iso images ready for testing
On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 01:29:28PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > >On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> None, really - I just tried to fit them into a small number of CDs >> similar to the potato ones. It would be simple to generate separate >> CDs (11) for each arch if people would prefer that...? > >my $0.02 is that it would be better to have a smaller ISO per arch >as i think this results in less bandwith needed overall. > >it also means we can just drop each of the upgrade isos into the >3.0_r1 tree, e.g > >3.0_r1/i386/debian-30r1-i386-update-1.iso I'm just about there on creating these. It's quite a lot less space-efficient, as binary-all will appear on all 11 binary discs and it takes up ~54MB on each disc. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Support the Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression: http://www.eff.org/cafe/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patch for small cd images and producing them officially?
* Richard Atterer | On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 02:20:27PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | > So, going from five to two netinst images will cause less rather than | > more confusion, I think. | | Going from five to _one_ even less so! ;) | The question is: Do we really *need* two different variants of netinst | images? For example, what "must-have" feature could a slightly larger | CD have over a business-card-sized one? And would this feature be | important for a significant percentage of users? All people who install debian (unless they use ar and tar by hand) need debootstrap. Debootstrap installs base (and some extras, if you want that). This means that for all normal users, they'll need the «normal netinst image». Only people who put stuff on bbc will want the smallest variant. | Additionally, if there are several variants, we must also *support* | them all, e.g. test them properly and provide end-user support for | them. Do we do that for all five variants today? | Any instructions on how to install Debian with the CDs would also | become more difficult for users to parse: "If you have variant A, cut | through the red wire. If variant B, cut through the blue wire." :) d-i is/should be smart enough to see «hmm, no base on this cd», we need to get it from somewhere else (and then prompt for it). We could make the support job easier for ourselves if we announced the normal netinst cds with base on heavily, while the full isos and bbcs were tucked a bit (not much, a bit) away. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3.0r1 iso images ready for testing
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'm just about there on creating these. It's quite a lot less > space-efficient, as binary-all will appear on all 11 binary discs and > it takes up ~54MB on each disc. that's unfortunate, but i suspect the overall bandwidth saved will offset that. regards, -jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Most mirrors not up to date
Hi, on http://www.debian.de/CD/http-ftp/ you write that "some mirrors are not up to date". Actually, there are only very few up to date. And often there are no md5sums available on the mirrors. Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Patch for small cd images and producing them officially?
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 10:34:14AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > All people who install debian (unless they use ar and tar by hand) > need debootstrap. Debootstrap installs base (and some extras, if you > want that). This means that for all normal users, they'll need the > «normal netinst image». Only people who put stuff on bbc will want > the smallest variant. This sounds like the netinst CD only contains additional packages which the business-card CD is able to download from the net. But if they can just be downloaded, why put them on the CD? Or will the business-card CD be significantly more difficult to use because debootstrap doesn't fit on it, or something? BTW, with boot-floppies there is the problem that certain packages have to be present on the CD for you to be able to install using PCI ISDN cards. Is this still the case with the new installer? > | Additionally, if there are several variants, we must also *support* > | them all, e.g. test them properly and provide end-user support for > | them. > > Do we do that for all five variants today? We don't (not really...), but then they're not official. > We could make the support job easier for ourselves if we announced > the normal netinst cds with base on heavily, while the full isos and > bbcs were tucked a bit (not much, a bit) away. Yes, that's a possibility. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ '` ¯ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 3.0r1 iso images ready for testing
On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 01:29:28PM +1000, jason andrade wrote: > >On Sun, 22 Dec 2002, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >> None, really - I just tried to fit them into a small number of CDs >> similar to the potato ones. It would be simple to generate separate >> CDs (11) for each arch if people would prefer that...? > >my $0.02 is that it would be better to have a smaller ISO per arch >as i think this results in less bandwith needed overall. > >it also means we can just drop each of the upgrade isos into the >3.0_r1 tree, e.g > >3.0_r1/i386/debian-30r1-i386-update-1.iso I'm just about there on creating these. It's quite a lot less space-efficient, as binary-all will appear on all 11 binary discs and it takes up ~54MB on each disc. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.[EMAIL PROTECTED] Support the Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression: http://www.eff.org/cafe/
Re: Patch for small cd images and producing them officially?
* Richard Atterer | On Sun, Dec 22, 2002 at 02:20:27PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: | > So, going from five to two netinst images will cause less rather than | > more confusion, I think. | | Going from five to _one_ even less so! ;) | The question is: Do we really *need* two different variants of netinst | images? For example, what "must-have" feature could a slightly larger | CD have over a business-card-sized one? And would this feature be | important for a significant percentage of users? All people who install debian (unless they use ar and tar by hand) need debootstrap. Debootstrap installs base (and some extras, if you want that). This means that for all normal users, they'll need the «normal netinst image». Only people who put stuff on bbc will want the smallest variant. | Additionally, if there are several variants, we must also *support* | them all, e.g. test them properly and provide end-user support for | them. Do we do that for all five variants today? | Any instructions on how to install Debian with the CDs would also | become more difficult for users to parse: "If you have variant A, cut | through the red wire. If variant B, cut through the blue wire." :) d-i is/should be smart enough to see «hmm, no base on this cd», we need to get it from somewhere else (and then prompt for it). We could make the support job easier for ourselves if we announced the normal netinst cds with base on heavily, while the full isos and bbcs were tucked a bit (not much, a bit) away. -- Tollef Fog Heen,''`. UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are : :' : `. `' `-
Re: 3.0r1 iso images ready for testing
On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Steve McIntyre wrote: > I'm just about there on creating these. It's quite a lot less > space-efficient, as binary-all will appear on all 11 binary discs and > it takes up ~54MB on each disc. that's unfortunate, but i suspect the overall bandwidth saved will offset that. regards, -jason
Most mirrors not up to date
Hi, on http://www.debian.de/CD/http-ftp/ you write that "some mirrors are not up to date". Actually, there are only very few up to date. And often there are no md5sums available on the mirrors. Martin
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Re: Patch for small cd images and producing them officially?
On Mon, Dec 23, 2002 at 10:34:14AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > All people who install debian (unless they use ar and tar by hand) > need debootstrap. Debootstrap installs base (and some extras, if you > want that). This means that for all normal users, they'll need the > «normal netinst image». Only people who put stuff on bbc will want > the smallest variant. This sounds like the netinst CD only contains additional packages which the business-card CD is able to download from the net. But if they can just be downloaded, why put them on the CD? Or will the business-card CD be significantly more difficult to use because debootstrap doesn't fit on it, or something? BTW, with boot-floppies there is the problem that certain packages have to be present on the CD for you to be able to install using PCI ISDN cards. Is this still the case with the new installer? > | Additionally, if there are several variants, we must also *support* > | them all, e.g. test them properly and provide end-user support for > | them. > > Do we do that for all five variants today? We don't (not really...), but then they're not official. > We could make the support job easier for ourselves if we announced > the normal netinst cds with base on heavily, while the full isos and > bbcs were tucked a bit (not much, a bit) away. Yes, that's a possibility. Cheers, Richard -- __ _ |_) /| Richard Atterer | CS student at the Technische | GnuPG key: | \/¯| http://atterer.net | Universität München, Germany | 0x888354F7 ¯ '` ¯
