Re: [Roland Mas ] Re: debian-installer status -- 2002-10-14

2002-11-01 Thread Richard Atterer
On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:02:20AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> would you make the appropriate files (*.jigdo and *.template)
> available through anonymous rsync? I had to wget -r to get them, and
> that gives me lots of unneeded files (HTML stuff mostly). And it's
> hard to keep up-to-date.

Well, rsync isn't really /that/ useful for jigdo/template files
because the data of those files is compressed in an rsync-unfriendly
way with zlib...

wget's mirror functionality isn't great. You could try lftp instead,
it can omit the HTML files and also delete old files:

lftp -c 'open http://foo.com/bar/; mirror --verbose --delete . /tmp/bar'

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: FW: Payment Accepted!

2002-11-01 Thread Richard Atterer
On Tue, Oct 29, 2002 at 07:47:49AM -0600, Tim C. Perry wrote:
> I ordered a set of CD's from bestlinuxcds.com in early September. 
> Even though my account was debited for the payment of the CD's in
> early September, as of 10/29/02 I still have not received the CD's. 
> Follow-up emails first got no reply and most recently got an
> automated return without indication of when I could expect shipment.
> 
> Any suggestion you can offer would be appreciated. At a minimum, I
> thought you should know that bestlinuxcds.com may not be an
> organization you should be recommending on your web site.

They were removed from our list 1.5 months ago due to a number of
complaints like yours. Recently, they claimed to have reorganized
their business and to have started shipping CDs again...

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: can't jigdo iso with rockridge

2002-11-01 Thread Richard Atterer
Hi Daniel,

On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:37:13PM -, Daniel Glassey wrote:
> mkisofs -J -r -o ./public_html/sword20021030.iso -V \"1.5.5\" iso/latest
> 
> 
> When I run jigdo-file on the iso it generates warnings (these do not
> appear for an iso of this created without -r)
> 
> mktemplate.hh:222: Assertion failed, `oldAreaEnd == start'
> mktemplate.hh:222: Assertion failed, `oldAreaEnd == start'

This is a central check of the "make-template" main loop - a sure sign
of a bug in jigdo-file. It's not surprising that the checks built into
"make-image" then later regard the template as invalid. :(

Hm - "-r" is likely to introduce longer runs of zeroes in the image
because it zeroes UIDs/GIDs... does one of the files in
/home/sword/ftp/iso/latest/ maybe start with 4096 bytes or more of
zeroes?

To find the bug, it would be really nice if you could recompile jigdo
with debugging support:

  ./configure --enable-debug
  make X=-DDEBUG_MKTEMPLATE

Then re-run the jigdo-file command. It'll output quite a lot of debug
info (mostly to stderr, so use "jigdo-file ... >log 2>&1), please send
it to me privately. I'm rather busy, but I'll try to have a look at
it.

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: Is GPL source for binary cd1 all on source cd1?

2002-11-01 Thread Richard Atterer
On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:09:59AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
> Is all the source for the GPL software on the Official woody
> 3.0r1_nonUS x86 cd contained on the first source CD, or am I going to
> have to download the entire source set if I give away the binary CDs?

Well, I was waiting for someone with more knowledge to answer this,
but I /think/ that source-n will contain exactly the source code for
the binaries on binary-n. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: [Roland Mas ] Re: debian-installer status-- 2002-10-14

2002-11-01 Thread Mattias Wadenstein
On Fri, 1 Nov 2002, Richard Atterer wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 30, 2002 at 02:02:20AM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> > would you make the appropriate files (*.jigdo and *.template)
> > available through anonymous rsync? I had to wget -r to get them, and
> > that gives me lots of unneeded files (HTML stuff mostly). And it's
> > hard to keep up-to-date.
>
> Well, rsync isn't really /that/ useful for jigdo/template files
> because the data of those files is compressed in an rsync-unfriendly
> way with zlib...

But rsync is still a convenient way to mirror a directory structure.

> wget's mirror functionality isn't great. You could try lftp instead,
> it can omit the HTML files and also delete old files:
>
> lftp -c 'open http://foo.com/bar/; mirror --verbose --delete . /tmp/bar'

Sure, that works too. Not as convenient as just adding yet another rsync
if you run a largish mirror at least. But that might not be the case here.

/Mattias Wadenstein


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Re: Is GPL source for binary cd1 all on source cd1?

2002-11-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Le Fri, Nov 01, 2002 at 01:04:02PM +0100, Richard Atterer écrivait:
> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:09:59AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
> > Is all the source for the GPL software on the Official woody
> > 3.0r1_nonUS x86 cd contained on the first source CD, or am I going to
> > have to download the entire source set if I give away the binary CDs?
> 
> Well, I was waiting for someone with more knowledge to answer this,
> but I /think/ that source-n will contain exactly the source code for
> the binaries on binary-n. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You're partially wrong.

The sources files are added in the source CDs in same order as the packages
are added in the binary CD but a number of facts will do that the match
will never be very good :
- for the binary packages we take care to include dependencies before
  the package itself => the order of the list is completely changed and
  thus there's no match between the order of inclusion of binary
  packages and the order of inclusion of source packages
- the source package may take more/less space than the binary packages
  and you can't be sure that all sources for a single binary CD
  will fit on a single CD

If you don't want to give away a full set of CD then you have to
regenerate your own shrinked CD set to be sure that the match
between binary packages and source packages is ok.

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Re: Is GPL source for binary cd1 all on source cd1?

2002-11-01 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:09:59AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
>> > Is all the source for the GPL software on the Official woody
>> > 3.0r1_nonUS x86 cd contained on the first source CD, or am I going to
>> > have to download the entire source set if I give away the binary CDs?

>If you don't want to give away a full set of CD then you have to
>regenerate your own shrinked CD set to be sure that the match
>between binary packages and source packages is ok.

Or, in the case of giving away several copies of binary CD1, with the
required offer of GPL source, I have to generate and keep the entire
source set for three years.  (Doing so is less labor than figuraing
out exactly what sources I need.)  Anyone giving the CD to a freind
has the same obligation.

Oh well, I had hoped not to have to tie up my DSL line for that long.
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Re: Is GPL source for binary cd1 all on source cd1?

2002-11-01 Thread Chris Lawrence
On Nov 01, Blars Blarson wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> On Thu, Oct 31, 2002 at 12:09:59AM -0800, Blars Blarson wrote:
> >> > Is all the source for the GPL software on the Official woody
> >> > 3.0r1_nonUS x86 cd contained on the first source CD, or am I going to
> >> > have to download the entire source set if I give away the binary CDs?
> 
> >If you don't want to give away a full set of CD then you have to
> >regenerate your own shrinked CD set to be sure that the match
> >between binary packages and source packages is ok.
> 
> Or, in the case of giving away several copies of binary CD1, with the
> required offer of GPL source, I have to generate and keep the entire
> source set for three years.  (Doing so is less labor than figuraing
> out exactly what sources I need.)  Anyone giving the CD to a freind
> has the same obligation.
> 
> Oh well, I had hoped not to have to tie up my DSL line for that long.

I believe you would only need to give away source CDs 1 and 2, at
least for woody, as the code that creates the CD images puts the
source packages in the same order they are added to the binary CDs.
You may want to verify this manually, though.  (I know this is the
case for the CDs I make, but I use a different script to create the
images.)

Alternatively, you could give away the LordSutch.com mini-ISO image;
the complete source will burn on a single CD.  However, it's not a
very complete installation (no X, for example).


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additional images you can download

2002-11-01 Thread psytek7



you can download them off a P2P network such as 
kazaa and search for  "woody-i386-1.iso".  I would share out and I 
think many others would too.