Re: Woody CD # 8 files are missing
On Tue, 2002-06-11 at 08:43, Chris Lawrence wrote: > On Jun 10, Robert Fu wrote: > > Web page > > http://cdimage.debian.org/pre-release-jigdo/i386/ > > shows that files for Woody CD #8 are missing. It > > causes jigdo-easy2win failed everytime when I tried to > > download woody CD #8. > > Dumb question of the week: what worthwhile software is actually on > Woody CD #8? Well, not much, since there are only 7 CDs. ;-) Admittedly, debian-cd has been a bit confused about what constitutes a non-US package of late, so that set has NON_US versions of CD#1 & CD#7, so I suppose you could claim there were 9 CDs but then I'm not sure which one you'd be calling CD#8. > What sort of circus freak would actually want a CD > containing the most absolutely obscure software in Debian? A quick look, just at the As & Bs on the CD reveals: Well, if you're a French or Portuguese speaker (or writer) then aspell-fr or aspell-pt might be handy. airsnort is a fun package if you want to break into WLAN networks. I'm sure bugzilla is important to a few people. The thing is that after the first 2 CDs the package order is effectively random. It's certainly not in order of decreasing usefulness. > I've never quite understood the desire for completism that is > associated with Debian CD sets. I mean, I'll gladly sell a CD > containing 300 iterations of "joe developer's vanity package" and > pocket the money, but the amateur psychologist in me is still curious > why anyone would want to buy it. Do these people also collect daily > newspapers, nail clippings, etc? If you want to compile a list of packages that are so useless that they don't deserve to be on the CDs, and then explain that fact the the maintainers of the packages you name, all I can say is "good luck" ;-) Also, you're forgetting that some people are not on the Internet AT ALL. If you want to install Debian in a school in some parts of the developing world, or if you want to install it on an IBM s390 (very few of which are plugged into the Internet BTW) then if it's not on the CDs, it won't be installed. > Then again, maybe these people have been burned in the past by > $SHOVELWARE_DISTRO_OF_THE_WEEK's demotion of the GNU C Compiler to the > second CD in $SHOVELWARE[*]. > > > Chris, hopefully not offending any circus freaks in the audience. > > [*] Any similarity between the names "SHOVELWARE" and "Mandrake" is > strictly coincidental. Cheers, Phil. -- Say no to software patents! http://petition.eurolinux.org/ |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560]http://www.hands.com/ |-| HANDS.COM Ltd.http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
jigdo - Error Code Question
Hi, i have got one question: i used jigdo for windows to donwload a debian 2.2 release, it seems the download is finished, but a iso.tmp file remains. If I restart jigdo to complete, it ends up with error code 3 ( jigdo - file failed with code 3 - aborting ) What does that mean ? Any hints welcome, thank you a lot, Andreas [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About harware detection and configuration tools in 1st CD
Sorry I have not replied to the original. My time has been taken up with trying to get the latest boot-floppies to install the Hurd. IMHO, it is too late to do much about woody, but it should be high on the agenda for woody+1. Phil. (The other one, 20,000 km away). On 14 Jun 2002, Philip Hands wrote: > On Thu, 2002-06-13 at 11:12, Mantas K. wrote: > > Hi again, > > > > It seemed to me that you wanted to write this letter to mailing list (from > > few questions you asked), but you had sent it just to me ;) > > Yes, you absolutely right. I'll Cc: it onto the list now, and leave the > previous message attached below (which for the people on the list, is a > belated response to Mantas' question about promoting newbie packages). > > > If there are some packages, that are important to newbies and are in no task > > (and not marked as standard) and so newbies will only see them once they've > > stopped being newbies, then we really have to do something to ease their fate :) > > Agreed, but I'm not sure what we can do at this stage. Unfortunately, > it may have to wait for 3.0_r1, but if someone can suggest a way of > slipping it into 3.0 I'd like to hear about it. > > > I'm not a debian developer, so I can't really say which way is the best - > > maybe we can: > > 1. mark part of my mentioned packages (like discover, etherconf, why in 1st > > CD are only pppoeconf and pppconfig?) as standard; > > I think that would inflict them on people that are upgrading, and don't > need them, so is probably not the way to go. > > > 2. include some (like aptitude, kudzu, sndconfig) in a task > > "simple-installation" or some such; > > 3. and include some (ex. graphical configuration tools, developed by > > Progeny, graphical package manager - stormpkg) in task-desktop. > > > > At last, we can make a new task, called task-newbie :) > > > > Mantas Kriauciunas > > > > P.S. popularity-contest package is not included in any task and only few > > advanced debian users know about this package (there are no information > > about it, see ex. http://search.debian.org/) and this package is not easy to > > configure - sendmail often isn't correctly configured in some systems, > > because newbies use Kmail, Evolution, Balsa, etc. - thats why I say data, > > produced by popularity-contest is not reliable. > > Fair enough --- perhaps popularity-contest should be made standard? > > Cheers, Phil. > > > your letter--- > > On Fri, 2002-05-31 at 13:11, Mantas K. wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > I still think, that including some packages on 1st CD (which use just little > > > space) would improve much debian woody installation from CDs. > > > I got no answer to my suggestions about improving 1st debian CD and desktop > > > task from official maintainer :( > > > > Yeah, sorry for the slow response, I've not had much time for anything > > other than occasional attempts to knock bugs out of the still > > non-building architectures, so had not got round to looking into this. > > > > As for your point about including more "easy install" packages on CD#1, > > I agree in principle, but: > > > > If I include all the packages you mention, what is going to cause them > > to be installed? If they were marked as standard, or if they were all > > in a task "simple-installation" or some such, then they might well get > > installed, but if either of those were the case the packages would > > probably already be on CD#1 so we wouldn't be talking about it. > > > > As for your point about popularity-contest being a poor criterion, it's > > the only one we've got, and people that are unhappy with the result need > > to install popularity-contest so that their opinion gets a vote. > > > > I agree that that doesn't work for people that have no internet > > connection whatsoever, but they are going to want a full set of CDs > > anyway, so the order the packages appear on those CDs is largely > > immaterial. > > > > So, to try and be constructive, does anyone have any suggestions on how > > to not only get these packages onto CD#1, but also get them installed > > for newbie users so that there is some point in doing so? > > > > ... > > > aptitude - ~1MB, discover - ~150kb, etherconf - ~20kb) are not in 1st CD. > > > > AFAICS all of these are optional, and are in no task, so I'm guessing > > that a newbie will only see them once they've stopped being a newbie. > > > > Suggestions on how to address this anyone? > > > > Cheers, Phil. > > > > > > > > How can simple user use debian if there are no packages, that configures > > > harware and network and no usable package managment tools (dselect and > > > command line is too hard for beginers) ? > > > > > > All distributions include hardware autodetection and configuration packages > > > in 1st CD, why debian should be less user-friendly, than others ? > > > Installation of debian woody already is not so simle, but now it is e
jigdo downloading the packages multitple times?
Hi, I just downloaded the woody-images with jigdo. But it take really much time for every image to get fetched. Then I watched the tmp directory and saw that a lot of packages there were stored and deleted without the iso getting bigger. So it seems that all these packages are fetched and deleted without any use. Is that correct oder did I miss something? If this is correct, why is this so? Shouldn't the jigdo file know what packages have to be fetched? Bye Marco -- The degree of civilization in a society can be judged by entering its prisons. -- Marco Herrn [EMAIL PROTECTED] (GnuPG/PGP-signed and crypted mail preferred) Key ID: 0x94620736 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About harware detection and configuration tools in 1st CD
On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 07:38:42AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Fair enough --- perhaps popularity-contest should be made standard? No. Debian doesn't need spyware by default. -- Mike Stone -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: uh oh fixed
Joerg Rieger helped out: Personally I've never tried to make a Sparc Debian ISO image but I've create serveral OpenBSD Sparc ISO images on an Intel machine and all the CD's were bootable, so it works. :-) > Here is a logfile: > /mnt/cvs/debian-cd/tools/boot/woody/boot-sparc: ar: command not found perhabs here is the Sun ar command expected instead of GNU ar or isn't installed at all or not in your path settings ? Hello to the list and Joerg. Yes, the ar command was truly missing. binutils was installed, so it is a mystery. >Making the binary CDs bootable ... >Running tools/boot/woody/boot-sparc 1 /mnt/tmp/woody-sparc/CD1 >/mnt/cvs/debian-cd/tools/boot/woody/boot-sparc: ar: command not found > >gzip: stdin: unexpected end of file >tar: Child returned status 1 >tar: ./boot/cd.b: Not found in archive >tar: ./boot/second.b: Not found in archive >tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors >Running tools/boot/woody/boot-sparc 2 /mnt/tmp/woody-sparc/CD2 I checked to see if binutils was installed and yes, it was. The binutils was there during the machine's latest upgrade. To remedy the situation I settled on installing binutils-multiarch because of my sparc CD task. Then I saw all the new links it made and chickened out: apt-get remove binutils-multiarch Then the ar command showed up. Hmmm... I guess it fixed the path or something. The debian-cd works right to the end now. A new set of sparc bootable CDs was made from an ix86 machine. Now we go and see if it is indeed bootable. Thanks for making me search out the d@#$%# ar command. Cheers, Bill Bennet "Where the only monopoly we support has a Boardwalk and a Baltic Avenue." -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: About harware detection and configuration tools in 1st CD
On Jun 14, Michael Stone wrote: > On Fri, Jun 14, 2002 at 07:38:42AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > > Fair enough --- perhaps popularity-contest should be made standard? > > No. Debian doesn't need spyware by default. popcon asks if you want it to send in its results, after a page-long description of what it does, and the default is no. (popcon is useful for more than just "spyware"; it's an easy way to tell what YOU use on YOUR system.) Chris, who runs popcon on all of his systems -- Chris Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - http://www.lordsutch.com/chris/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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