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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Jim Westveer wrote on Thu Apr 04, 2002 um 05:24:24PM:
> > And last, woody ought to be 2.2 based and not 2.4 based ... but since I
> > also find it lame to use 2.2.x by default nowadays ...
> >
> 
> I disagree,  2.4.x kernels have been out for over 2 years.we should
> not release a "new" version of Debian with such an outdated kernel !
> [appologies in advance to the boot-floppy group for all their hard work]

Agreed. The decission, which flavor has to be on the first CD, is done
by debian-cd's scripts, see
/usr/share/debian-cd/tools/boot/woody/boot-i386. CD distributors can
change it if they like.
IMHO bf2.4 is stable enough to be used as installation
kernel and is used by most people (Impression, looking at submitter's
data of recent bug/success reports).

But who makes this decission for the CD Nr.1? DPL?

BTW: I personaly think that "compact" on the second CD does not make
sence, its primarily goal is smart floppy-based installation. 

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:07:38AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include 
> Jim Westveer wrote on Thu Apr 04, 2002 um 05:24:24PM:
> > > And last, woody ought to be 2.2 based and not 2.4 based ... but since I
> > > also find it lame to use 2.2.x by default nowadays ...
> > >
> > 
> > I disagree,  2.4.x kernels have been out for over 2 years.we should
> > not release a "new" version of Debian with such an outdated kernel !
> > [appologies in advance to the boot-floppy group for all their hard work]
> 
> Agreed. The decission, which flavor has to be on the first CD, is done
> by debian-cd's scripts, see
> /usr/share/debian-cd/tools/boot/woody/boot-i386. CD distributors can
> change it if they like.
> IMHO bf2.4 is stable enough to be used as installation
> kernel and is used by most people (Impression, looking at submitter's
> data of recent bug/success reports).
> 
> But who makes this decission for the CD Nr.1? DPL?
> 
> BTW: I personaly think that "compact" on the second CD does not make
> sence, its primarily goal is smart floppy-based installation. 

The DPL makes no such decisions. If anything, the technical committee
would. But I think the port maintainers obviously have the most say in
this.


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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Anthony Towns]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:07:38AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> #include 
> Jim Westveer wrote on Thu Apr 04, 2002 um 05:24:24PM:
> > > And last, woody ought to be 2.2 based and not 2.4 based ... but since I
> > > also find it lame to use 2.2.x by default nowadays ...
> > I disagree,  2.4.x kernels have been out for over 2 years.we should
> > not release a "new" version of Debian with such an outdated kernel !
> > [appologies in advance to the boot-floppy group for all their hard work]
> Agreed. The decission, which flavor has to be on the first CD, is done
> by debian-cd's scripts, see
> /usr/share/debian-cd/tools/boot/woody/boot-i386. CD distributors can
> change it if they like.

GUYS, _STOP IT_.

NOW IS _NOT_ THE TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WAY THE INSTALL WORKS.

2.4 is not the default kernel for woody installs, 2.2 is. Yes, it sucks,
and I don't care. If anyone asks why, blame me. DO NOT MAKE FURTHER
CHANGES TO THE WAY DEFAULT INSTALLS WORK. Not if it makes a billion more
people able to use Debian. Not if it's so fundamentally offensive that
it makes you want to disembowel yourself with a screwdriver.

The default kernel for woody is 2.2. The way languages work is the way
it's worked for the past twelve months. If you want to change stuff,
the time was over six months ago, and it'll be that time again in a
month or two. IT IS _NOT_ NOW.

boot-floppies has exactly two goals right now: make sparc and alpha
boot-floppies work, and make sure that all the successful installs we've
seen so far weren't a collective fantasy.

debian-cd has exactly one goal right now: make sure we're ready to produce
official CDs that include the entire archive and let you get started on
an install.

Cheers,
aj (woody release manager)

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Anthony Towns]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 07:00:08PM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> 2.4 is not the default kernel for woody installs, 2.2 is. 

Oh, and is already clear to everyone involved, this is for i386. Other
ports obviously have 2.4 kernels as default.

Cheers,
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2.2_r6 CDs at cdimage.d.o

[Philip Hands]

Hi Folks,

Sorry about the delay, I'm afraid the release slipped by without my
noticing it.  In future, feel free to Cc: me in on the "Where are the
new CD images" message you send here, just to make sure that (as
happened in this case) I'd not been desubscribed from the list, and been
busy enough not to take too much notice of that fact.

Anyway, the new images are up for grabs in the normal place:

  rsync://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/

I've checked them over, but it would be good if people could test them,
and report back to the list.

BTW, I'm generating Jigdo files for these images.  Richard, am I right
in thinking that open:~atterer/bin/make-templates is the thing to do
this with --- I grabbed a copy, and changed the target directory & URL. 
Perhaps people could tell me if the jigdo files work for them when they
appear here:  http://cdimage.debian.org/cd-images/jigdo/

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Mateusz Papiernik]

> A more conservative way to get the language chooser going would be to
> put compact or idepci on the first disk.  It doesn't require 2.4 as
> such.
I've got one more suggestion. I think we can load first very small 2.2 boot
kernel,
next display "kernel choose" dialog, and next start the installation
process. What
do you think about it ?



Mati


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[Fwd: Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??]

[Karl M. Hegbloom]

I used "reply" rather than "reply to list" by mistake.



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On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 01:00, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:07:38AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:

> > Jim Westveer wrote on Thu Apr 04, 2002 um 05:24:24PM:

> > > I disagree,  2.4.x kernels have been out for over 2 years.we should
> > > not release a "new" version of Debian with such an outdated kernel !
> > > [appologies in advance to the boot-floppy group for all their hard work]

> NOW IS _NOT_ THE TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WAY THE INSTALL WORKS.

I don't think that using the 2.4 kernel changes the way the install
works.  I think that using a 2.2 kernel is a bad decision.  Move forward
to 2.4.

> 2.4 is not the default kernel for woody installs, 2.2 is. Yes, it sucks,
> and I don't care.

Many of the rest of us DO care, and I move that this issue be brought up
with the technical committee.  If they say that I cannot make a formal
motion due to not being (currently) an official Debian maintainer, then
someone who is please step forward and carry this motion.

The 2.4 kernel is quite stable and the install using it works just fine
as far as I can tell.

> debian-cd has exactly one goal right now: make sure we're ready to produce
> official CDs that include the entire archive and let you get started on
> an install.

"But I want to install onto a journalling filesystem like Mandrake can."






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[Karl M. Hegbloom]

... and again.



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On Thu, 2002-04-04 at 17:47, David Kimdon wrote:

> Yes, the bf2.4 kernel is described in the woody release notes as "an
> experimental flavor".

How hard is it to edit a text file?  Fire up your "pico", boys.

> However, debian-boot doesn't decide what the default kernel is on
> i386 (who does?).   If someone wants to revisit the question of what
> the default kernel should be perhaps such a discussion is appropriate
> on debian-devel.  In any case, I doubt such a change so close to
> release is possible.

I think it IS possible and should be done.  For the rare cases (if any
turn out to exist) where for some reason the 2.4 kernel will not work,
there is a fallback to a 2.2 kernel.



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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Jim Westveer]

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On Friday 05 April 2002 01:00, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:07:38AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > #include 
> >

>
> GUYS, _STOP IT_.
>
> NOW IS _NOT_ THE TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WAY THE INSTALL WORKS.
>


aj,

I do not want to raise the voice of the woody release manager, 
but, please just hear me out for a moment.

I am not suggesting changing anything in how the install
works, or anything to do with the boot floppys packages.

Currently, debian-cd creates ISO images that are spread
accross several volumes.  A while back we decided to put
different flavors of the i386 boot-floppy kernels on each of the
CD's, to make it easier for someone to use those flavors.

I setup the script to put one flavor on the first disk, another
on the second, and so on and so on.  Currently the debian-cd
scripts are setup to put the boot-floppys "default" kernel on the
first cd,  the "compact" flavor on the second CD, the bf24 flavor
on the third CD, the "idepci" flavor on the fourth CD, and all
subsiquent CD's have the "default" flavor.

What I have suggested is simply swaping positions of the
kernel images of the first and third CD.  I am not suggesting
the change of any other software, or in any way the mannor
in which the disks are created.

Before you lam-bast me with a nastygram, please grab
or create a copy of the woody CD's, and try an installation with 
CD#1 as the disk you innitially boot from,  then try the
CD#3 with the bf24 kernel.   The first thing you will notice
is that the bf24 flavor first asks you for your language, where
the "default" does not.  Additionally I beleive you will
find that the bf24 actually works better on newer hardware.

Thanks for your consideration.

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Philip Blundell]

On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 19:45, Jim Westveer wrote:
> Before you lam-bast me with a nastygram, please grab
> or create a copy of the woody CD's, and try an installation with 
> CD#1 as the disk you innitially boot from,  then try the
> CD#3 with the bf24 kernel.   The first thing you will notice
> is that the bf24 flavor first asks you for your language, where
> the "default" does not.

A more conservative way to get the language chooser going would be to
put compact or idepci on the first disk.  It doesn't require 2.4 as
such.

p.


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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Chris Lawrence]

On Apr 05, Philip Blundell wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 19:45, Jim Westveer wrote:
> > Before you lam-bast me with a nastygram, please grab
> > or create a copy of the woody CD's, and try an installation with 
> > CD#1 as the disk you innitially boot from,  then try the
> > CD#3 with the bf24 kernel.   The first thing you will notice
> > is that the bf24 flavor first asks you for your language, where
> > the "default" does not.
> 
> A more conservative way to get the language chooser going would be to
> put compact or idepci on the first disk.  It doesn't require 2.4 as
> such.

It'd be nice to be able to add something like
http://www.nu2.nu/diskemu/; however, it's not source-available, so it
probably doesn't belong on official CDs.

Another possibility might be HPA's isolinux tool, based on syslinux:
http://syslinux.zytor.com/iso.php with or without MEMDISK
http://syslinux.zytor.com/memdisk.php; basically, instead of putting
the rescue disk in the boot sector, you put the isolinux image there,
and have a menu to choose between kernels to load.


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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Eduard Bloch]

#include 
Anthony Towns wrote on Fri Apr 05, 2002 um 07:00:08PM:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:07:38AM +0200, Eduard Bloch wrote:
> > #include 
> > Jim Westveer wrote on Thu Apr 04, 2002 um 05:24:24PM:
> > > > And last, woody ought to be 2.2 based and not 2.4 based ... but since I
> > > > also find it lame to use 2.2.x by default nowadays ...
> > > I disagree,  2.4.x kernels have been out for over 2 years.we should
> > > not release a "new" version of Debian with such an outdated kernel !
> > > [appologies in advance to the boot-floppy group for all their hard work]
> > Agreed. The decission, which flavor has to be on the first CD, is done
> > by debian-cd's scripts, see
> > /usr/share/debian-cd/tools/boot/woody/boot-i386. CD distributors can
> > change it if they like.
> 
> GUYS, _STOP IT_.
> 
> NOW IS _NOT_ THE TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WAY THE INSTALL WORKS.
> 
> 2.4 is not the default kernel for woody installs, 2.2 is. Yes, it sucks,

What is _default_? What is _option_? Saying that something is default
implies that you stick to this thing from the installation time until
you install another (optional) thing manually. This is not the case
here. You can completely install and work with bf2.4 unless you decide
to change to optimised 2.4.x kernels or 2.2.x.

> and I don't care. If anyone asks why, blame me. DO NOT MAKE FURTHER
> CHANGES TO THE WAY DEFAULT INSTALLS WORK. Not if it makes a billion more
> people able to use Debian. Not if it's so fundamentally offensive that
> it makes you want to disembowel yourself with a screwdriver.

The problem is, many people download only the first CD and install the
rest from the net. Or they even do not look on other CDs, boot with the
first one and are disappointed (no lang chooser, missing drivers for
various hardware, harddisk controllers, USB keyboards, etc. etc.).

This is not a technical change. It is a political one. debian-cd still
needs at least one release before Woody. IMHO enough time to change.

> debian-cd has exactly one goal right now: make sure we're ready to produce
> official CDs that include the entire archive and let you get started on
> an install.

As said before, I know enough people that run their harddisks on Promise
or Highpoint controllers. With the vanilla flavor, Debian would be
completely useless for them.

Gruss/Regards,
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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Ben Collins]

Please take me of the Cc of this thread.

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[David Kimdon]

Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 07:59:05PM +0100 wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 19:45, Jim Westveer wrote:
> > Before you lam-bast me with a nastygram, please grab
> > or create a copy of the woody CD's, and try an installation with 
> > CD#1 as the disk you innitially boot from,  then try the
> > CD#3 with the bf24 kernel.   The first thing you will notice
> > is that the bf24 flavor first asks you for your language, where
> > the "default" does not.
> 
> A more conservative way to get the language chooser going would be to
> put compact or idepci on the first disk.  It doesn't require 2.4 as
> such.

aph and I were just talking on irc, how about :

cd1: idepci; cd2 scsi; cd3: bf2.4; cd4: vanilla

That gives us language chooser on the first CD, a big plus, while
still giving us 2.2 as 'default'.  IMO leaving the language chooser
off the first CD would be a real shame.

Any seconds?

-David


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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[John H. Robinson, IV]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 04:50:50PM -0800, David Kimdon wrote:
> 
> cd1: idepci; cd2 scsi; cd3: bf2.4; cd4: vanilla
> 
> Any seconds?

seconded.

-john


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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

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> aph and I were just talking on irc, how about :
>
> cd1: idepci; cd2 scsi; cd3: bf2.4; cd4: vanilla
  
  SCSI???  is there such a devil ?
  Its not in bf 3.0.22-2002-04-03  ;-/
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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[David Kimdon]

Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 05:00:45PM -0800 wrote:
> > cd1: idepci; cd2 scsi; cd3: bf2.4; cd4: vanilla
>   
>   SCSI???  is there such a devil ?
>   Its not in bf 3.0.22-2002-04-03  ;-/
s/scsi/compact/

I got a second, any opposed?

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Philip Hands]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 02:40, David Kimdon wrote: 
> Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 05:00:45PM -0800 wrote:
> > > cd1: idepci; cd2 scsi; cd3: bf2.4; cd4: vanilla
> >   
> >   SCSI???  is there such a devil ?
> >   Its not in bf 3.0.22-2002-04-03  ;-/
> s/scsi/compact/
> 
> I got a second, any opposed?

After considering this, I'm opposed.

I don't see it as our job to override the decisions of other parts of
the project (excepting when not to do so would result in unusable CD
images).

If the decision is that the default boot floppies for woody i386 are
2.2 ones (that don't do languages properly), I don't see that it is
within the aegis of debian-cd to make a unilateral decision to
override that for the CDs.

CDs that don't use the default boot floppies by default (and I think we
all know that means on cd1) don't deserve the "Official" moniker, in
the same way that CDs that include my favourite five packages from
unstable don't deserve it.

We should aim for there to be as few suprises as possible, when moving
between CD installs, and the other ways of installing Debian.

Now, if you were to argue that bf2.4 should be the default floppies
for woody, that's a different thing, which I would probably agree with
if it had been decided a few months ago, but I think we're too late to
be changing that sort of thing now, unfortunately.

I'd also be pretty cheerful about making two netinst versions
available, one with bf2.4 on it, say, but if bf2.4 is being described
as "experimental" in the distribution, that's how we should label it
for the CDs too.

I know it's depressing to release things that are effectively out of
date, but we have to stop adding features at some point or we'll never
release.

Maybe we can use this as an incentive to make sure that it's not 18
months to the next release after woody. ;-)

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Anthony Towns]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 10:45:21AM -0800, Jim Westveer wrote:
> On Friday 05 April 2002 01:00, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > GUYS, _STOP IT_.
> > NOW IS _NOT_ THE TIME TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE WAY THE INSTALL WORKS.
> I am not suggesting changing anything in how the install
> works, or anything to do with the boot floppys packages.

> [...] and try an installation with 
> CD#1 as the disk you innitially boot from,  then try the
> CD#3 with the bf24 kernel.   The first thing you will notice
> is that the bf24 flavor first asks you for your language, where
> the "default" does not.

IOW, the install works different.

I'm not really sure what part of "_STOP IT_" is so difficult to
understand, but please _STOP IT_. If you want to move the bf2.4 kernel
images onto the CD#2 bootsector, that's fine. But the default kernel
for woody, and hence the image that should be on CD#1, has always been
and remains 2.2.

Changing fundamental things in the install process (like the kernel
used, the machines supported, or the way you get to choose languages)
is completely out of the question at this point.

Cheers,
aj (woody release manager)

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Philip Hands]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 06:22, Anthony Towns wrote:

> I'm not really sure what part of "_STOP IT_" is so difficult to
> understand, but please _STOP IT_. If you want to move the bf2.4 kernel
> images onto the CD#2 bootsector, that's fine. But the default kernel
> for woody, and hence the image that should be on CD#1, has always been
> and remains 2.2.

Absolutely right.

The closest I'd be willing to go towards making a change, would be some
form of kernel selection menu on the first CD, still with the vanilla
2.2 kernel as the default, but giving people the choice even if they
only get CD#1.

That would be conditional on some evidence being forthcomming that the
resulting CD would be bootable on at least as many machines as is
currently the case.  Can anyone provide that?

The ISOLINUX/MEMDISK thing mentioned earlier looks interesting.  Has
anyone played with this?  Presumably we could use MEMDISK to select
between boot floppies, with no changes required to the boot floppy
images, so would only change things by bumping a few packages off the
end of CD#1.

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Re: 2.4 kernel as default boot kernel on CD #1 ??

[Erik Andersen]

On Sat Apr 06, 2002 at 08:10:16AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> The ISOLINUX/MEMDISK thing mentioned earlier looks interesting.  Has
> anyone played with this?  Presumably we could use MEMDISK to select

I've used Isolinux.  It works for me.  Lets me select from
multiple kernels on CD, with no obnoxious 1.4M kernel size limit
(and no 1.44 MB or 2.88 MB size limit on the root image either).

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