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Re: www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/cd-images

2002-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre 

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 06:45:27AM -0600, Tommy McTaggart wrote:
>
>I downloaded the i386 version of Debian a couple of days ago.  I am trying
>to do the same for the sparc version today, but on the
>"www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/cd-images web page, the "dist" directory is no
>longer there.  
>
>Is there another location that I can find the binary-sparc-1.list file.

The reason they've moved is that we're in the middle of the 2.2r5
release. I'm about to move the 2.2r5 images into place unless I hear
compelling reasons not to in the next couple of hours.

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Re: ppc version

2002-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre 

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 08:12:55AM +0100, Klaus Prasse wrote:
>I've downloaded CD-images for the Debian PowerPC version. After that I
>tried to install debian on a RS6000 system, but the system didn't boot
>from my CDs. Are the CD images 'Debian PowerPC' not bootable? I didn't
>succeed in finding
>any information which could help me with my problem.
>
>Please be so kind to tell me how I can solve this problem.

I'm not sure if the CDs are able to boot on RS6000 hardware. Maybe
somebody on the powerpc list can help with that...?

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Re: ppc version

2002-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre 

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 08:12:55AM +0100, Klaus Prasse wrote:
>I've downloaded CD-images for the Debian PowerPC version. After that I
>tried to install debian on a RS6000 system, but the system didn't boot
>from my CDs. Are the CD images 'Debian PowerPC' not bootable? I didn't
>succeed in finding
>any information which could help me with my problem.
>
>Please be so kind to tell me how I can solve this problem.

I'm not sure if the CDs are able to boot on RS6000 hardware. Maybe
somebody on the powerpc list can help with that...?

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jigdo-port/lite/lite2win (Re: web pages)

2002-01-18 Thread J.A. Bezemer 


On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Richard Atterer wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:34:52PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
[..]
> > It seems the best thing would be to decide finally if we're going to
> > push jigdo or not. We can't have it recommended and mark it
> > beta, that's an oxymoron, at least in Debian. :)

Start pushing now. As far as I'm concerned, jigdo has just left beta stage.
(That's the jigdo scheme, not necessarily jigdo 0.6.1 ;-)

PROUDLY PRESENTING:  jigdo-port  -  jigdo-lite "enhanced"  -  jigdo-lite2win

jigdo-port: highly portable subset of jigdo-file, compiles with any C compiler
jigdo-lite 2.0: enhanced & POSIX compatible - try it and you'll like it!
jigdo-lite2win (2 is for "to"; pun intended): jigdo-lite for M$Win

Get your CD images the smart way:
 http://cdimage.debian.org/~costar/jigdo/

Available at this moment:
- the old 2.2 rev4 images
- the new 2.2 rev5 PRERELEASE-TESTING images -> please test & report!
- the revX-to-rev5 update CDs (under "Unofficial images")

[You can stop reading now if you aren't interested in some of my ideas &
technical details. Just go get those CDs! :-]


Short history of jigdo-port:

It all started when I had a little spare time and decided to take a look at
jigdo (0.6.1). It didn't compile on my potato box, 'cause it requires libdb3
and sstream.h. libdb3 was out-configurable, but replacing sstream by strstream
did compile but produced weird output in the list files. So compiled -static
on the sid chroot which did the trick.

Running it with jigdo-lite ("1.0" as --user-agent) worked nicely, and I took
a little closer look at the script. Now I always look at scripts with pico,
and the first tweak this time was the "clear" in hrule. And then the "page
headers" to be displayed under the "titlebar". That looked much better indeed.

But now the mirror selection (scrolling off-screen, cut&paste) didn't fit in
the new "display paradigm". A long time ago I'd already implemented a "list
selector" with numbers, so I took that idea and added a "scroll lock", which
needed fmt which I had just discovered. listinput() was born.

So, I had a nice mirror chooser. But I still needed to download the .jigdo
myself, while a nice listinput was available. Two hours later, I had designed
& implemented a quite simple yet powerful menu system in shell code on only
two A5 sheets (single-sided; I can write really small if needed ;-). This
worked beautifully and is pretty much unchanged since then.

I was quite happy with this, until I thought about another project that
involved portable/POSIX shell scripts and realised I had access to quite a few
"strange" machines I could test on at the Univ. So tested. Error. Fix. Test.
Another error. Fix. Test. Repeat. And of course every time I thought: "this
should be the last one," which only got true after a day or two.

I'd tested all these "ancient" platforms with a ": > jigdo-file; chmod a+x
jigdo-file". So at after a while I had a script that actually worked on most
systems but only to the point where jigdo-file was needed. In the process, I
had compiled wget on most systems, which always worked (except sometimes wget
couldn't resolve). But, frustratingly enough, I couldn't compile jigdo-file on
any system except my sid chroot. In other words, you first have to install
woody/sid, and only then you can download the potato images...

At that point I almost decided to feed my jigdo-lite changes back to Richard
and let him solve the jigdo-file issue. But after a little studying of the
jigdo docs (which are really excellent), I couldn't stop myself from thinking:
"well, it can't possibly be that hard to implement this in C." And I could use
a little zlib experience for yet another project, so I started coding. 

And it really wasn't that hard. I estimate I only used some 20-25 hours, in
between the family events/visits from Dec 25 to Jan 1. Et voila jigdo-port,
which finally allowed me to download CD images "natively" on my potato boxes,
the 1992 SunOS/Sparc, the 1994 IRIX/mips and all other assorted machines. 

But of course that wasn't yet enough. "If jigdo-lite is portable, it should
also run on Cygwin." And indeed, it does. Combined with the jigdo-lite-
compiled-for-Windows, this is an excellent combination, and it just works like
everywhere else. jigdo-lite2win was born, which is really nothing more than a
re-packaging of already-available parts. 

End of "short" history. Read the various READMEs for a few more details.


Now for the future. I don't plan to do anything to jigdo-port/lite/lite2win
any more (unless I've made some stupid mistake somewhere) except fanatically
using it. It's my idea that -port and -lite get merged into the "official"
jigdo distribution. Please NOT hidden in some contrib/ dir, _many_ people need
it. Maybe also -lite could better be placed in it's own top-level dir, along
with its README and myprintf.c, and not in scripts/ along with all those
things that "end users" aren't interested in. 


Mainly to Richard (alr

2.2r5 CDs - feedback?

2002-01-18 Thread Steve McIntyre 

I've had next to no feedback from you lot about the r5 images. Yes / no?

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Re: 2.2r5 CDs - feedback?

2002-01-18 Thread Colin Walters 

On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 09:07, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I've had next to no feedback from you lot about the r5 images. Yes / no?

I want to make sure the PowerPC version is bootable, but I get:

walters@freedom> wget 
http://www.uk.debian.org/debian-cd/cd-images/potato_test/powerpc/potato-powerpc-1.raw  
/scratch
--14:02:46--  
http://www.uk.debian.org:80/debian-cd/cd-images/potato_test/powerpc/potato-powerpc-1.raw
   => `potato-powerpc-1.raw'
Connecting to www.uk.debian.org:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Authorization Required
Connecting to www.uk.debian.org:80... connected!
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Authorization Required
Authorization failed.
[1] walters@freedom>   
  /scratch

Am I doing something stupid?



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CD image mirrors

2002-01-18 Thread Josip Rodin 

Hi,

Here's the data I promised: the CD image mirrors recorded in the central
Debian mirror database. If anything is wrong or missing, please fill us in.
CC:ing corrections to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is desirable...

Site: ftp.au.debian.org
CDImage-http: /pub/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: mirror.aarnet.edu.au
CDImage-http: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp.tiscali.be
CDImage-http: /debian-iso/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-iso/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: sunsite.dk
CDImage-http: /pub/os/linux/debian-cdimage/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/os/linux/debian-cdimage/
CDImage-rsync: ftp/pub/os/linux/debian-cdimage/

Site: ftp.es.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp-mirror.internap.com
CDImage-http: /pub/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp2.de.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/mirror/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp.tu-clausthal.de
CDImage-http: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: debian.uni-essen.de
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: debian-mirror.piksi.itb.ac.id
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp.esat.net
CDImage-http: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: gusp.dyndns.org
CDImage-http: /debian/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/debian/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.debian.org.hk
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp.tr.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp.kr.debian.org
CDImage-http: /pub/FreeISO/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/FreeISO/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.nl.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.no.debian.org
CDImage-http: /pub/linux/debian-iso/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/linux/debian-iso/
CDImage-rsync: debian-iso/

Site: ftp.ee.debian.org
CDImage-http: /pub/debian-iso/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/debian-iso/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: debian.tod.net
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.hu.debian.org
CDImage-http: /ftp/pub/CDROM-Images/debian/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/CDROM-Images/debian/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp2.sourceforge.net
CDImage-http: /mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp1.sourceforge.net
CDImage-http: /mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp3.sourceforge.net
CDImage-http: /mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: ftp4.sourceforge.net
CDImage-http: /mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/mirrors/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.se.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-iso/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-iso/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: debian.uchicago.edu
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.cvt.stuba.sk
CDImage-http: /pub/os/debian-iso/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/os/debian-iso/
CDImage-rsync: ftp/pub/os/debian-iso/

Site: carroll.cac.psu.edu
CDImage-http: /pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/linux/distributions/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de
CDImage-http: /ftp/pub/Linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/Linux/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.nacamar.de
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: aurolinux.mit.edu
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: 
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/

Site: debian.fifi.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.fi.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de
CDImage-http: /pub/Mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/Mirrors/ftp.debian.org/debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: debian.sh.cvut.cz
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.tku.edu.tw
CDImage-http: /OS/Linux/ISO-IMAGE/debian/
CDImage-ftp: /OS/Linux/ISO-IMAGE/debian/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: mirrors.kernel.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: mirrors/debian-cd/

Site: mirrors.xmission.com
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: mirror.cse.unsw.edu.au
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.keystealth.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: debian.ens-cachan.fr
CDImage-http: /ftp/debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: download.unesp.br
CDImage-http: /iso_cd/debian/
CDImage-ftp: 
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: mirror.pacific.net.au
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: 
CDImage-rsync: 

Site: ftp.iglu.org.il
CDImage-http: /pub/distributions/Debian-CD/
CDImage-ftp: /pub/dist

Re: 2.2r5 CDs - feedback?

2002-01-18 Thread Richard Atterer 

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:07:19PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 401 Authorization Required
> Authorization failed.
> 
> Am I doing something stupid?

cdimage doesn't allow direct HTTP because of bandwidth concerns. Just
use rsync.

  Richard

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Re: jigdo template files for 2.2_rev5 ?

2002-01-18 Thread Richard Atterer 

On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 09:19:29PM -0800, Paul E Condon wrote:
> I am unabale to access atterer's web site. Is there an alternative
> location from which I may download the jigdo package?

My site is OK, but I should probably point out:
 - apt-able binaries are only there for i386
 - "apt-get source jigdo" won't work - download the source from
   


On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 03:56:14PM +1000, jason andrade wrote:
> are jigdo templates coming out for the 2.2r5 release anytime soon or
> should they have been out already? i'm just trying to understand (i
> still haven't had the time to play with it) whether jigdo releases
> templates after the `official' images are generated or before (aka
> like .list files for PIK).

Afterwards. ATM, the jigdo files are not generated automatically, I
need to start a script manually on cdimage. Expect new jigdo files
soon! :-)

BTW, that script I'm using is "make-templates", which is also in the
scripts/ directory of the jigdo source.

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: PIK

2002-01-18 Thread Richard Atterer 

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 01:48:25AM -0400, Ernesto Maldonado wrote:
> Is pseudo-image-kit README document outdated?, may be updated like
> new debian_on_cd pages.

Yes, it is outdated. I'll happily update the PIK page if anyone can
supply more info!


  Of course, you might want to try out jigdo instead. It does the same
  thing as the PIK, and it is also a bit easier to use.
 ;)

Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: debian-cd at ftp.minet.net

2002-01-18 Thread Richard Atterer 

On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:03:04AM +0100, Eric Leclercq wrote:
> Hello, I'm the FTP maintainer of ftp.minet.net,
> I'm just informing you that the path to our debian-cd images
> is now:
> ftp://ftp.minet.net/pub/distrib/debian-cd/

OK, this will be fixed on the website shortly.
Cheers,

  Richard

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Re: CD image mirrors

2002-01-18 Thread Adam Lackorzynski 

On Fri Jan 18, 2002 at 22:36:16 +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> Here's the data I promised: the CD image mirrors recorded in the central
> Debian mirror database. If anything is wrong or missing, please fill us in.
> CC:ing corrections to [EMAIL PROTECTED] is desirable...

Site: ftp.de.debian.org
CDImage-http: /debian-cd/
CDImage-ftp: /debian-cd/
CDImage-rsync: debian-cd/


Unfortunately we only have i386 right now...



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debian potato 2.2r5

2002-01-18 Thread Paweł Rohde 

Hello!!!

I live in Poland, and I use Debian Linux in home.
I have one question:
Were (and maybe when?) can I get CD iso images of Debian Potato 2.2r5?

Tnx in advance!
patt


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Re: 2.2r5 CDs - feedback?

2002-01-18 Thread jason andrade 

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, Steve McIntyre wrote:

> I've had next to no feedback from you lot about the r5 images. Yes / no?

go for it - from a mirror point of view. unfortunately i think the current
system doesn't encourage a whole heap of end user feedback - only mirror
admins and they are probably too busy anyway (and if they are developers it
is probably worse in terms of available time, for testing).

in future, we need a methodology of moving the new images `out' but in a
"release candidate" fashion so that vendors don't attempt to burn these,
but there is some timeline for end users to know about a "testing period"
and for it to propagate out to mirrors so they can download it normally.

i am one of the mirrors who manually puts my cd images together (using
PIK) and then syncs against cdimage.  i don't simply sync against the
whole site (including the test directories) because it's far too slow
and if any mistakes happen, it could take weeks to recover from.

regards,

-jason


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Re: jigdo-port/lite/lite2win (Re: web pages)

2002-01-18 Thread Mattias Wadenstein 

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, J.A. Bezemer wrote:

>
> On Fri, 4 Jan 2002, Richard Atterer wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 04:34:52PM +0100, Josip Rodin wrote:
> [..]
> > > It seems the best thing would be to decide finally if we're going to
> > > push jigdo or not. We can't have it recommended and mark it
> > > beta, that's an oxymoron, at least in Debian. :)
>
> Start pushing now. As far as I'm concerned, jigdo has just left beta stage.
> (That's the jigdo scheme, not necessarily jigdo 0.6.1 ;-)
>
>
> On the future of the electronic Debian CD image distribution: I propose that
> cdimage.debian.org will stop offering the CD images via rsync, as soon as
> possible. Jigdo does a _much_ better job: the biggest template is only 8 MB
> (alpha binary-1) and offering the templates via HTTP shouldn't produce any
> significant load.

I agree with this. I just haven't suggested it, because I haven't dared to
try and compile/use jigdo on our platform (AIX). From what I have read
about it, it does seem to be the answer to the mirroring problem.

> Mirrors can mirror the templates with wget. If a mirror admin has the
> space/bandwidth, a simple script (print-missing>list, make-image
> --files-from=list) can convert them quickly to full images (under 10 minutes
> per image on my K6/450Mhz) when a local full Debian FTP mirror is available.

Which would be much faster and less load on the master site than the
current way of trying to find a mirror that has already gotten the images
because cdimage.debian.org seems to be overloaded. (I can't even get to
http://cdimage.debian.org/~costar/jigdo/ right now.)

> So for end users we'll have two download methods: jigdo and HTTP/FTP.
> First-tier mirrors (mirroring from cdimage.d.o) can only use jigdo.
> The Pseudo-Image Kit and rsync download/mirroring will be discontinued.

Well, except for second+-tier mirrors, I'm guessing that a bunch of the
first-tier mirrors will have rsync in addition to HTTP/FTP.

/Mattias Wadenstein - mostly interested in the mirroring problem


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