Re: [i18n-sme] debian-installer: call to update translations - Northern Sami --- looking for new translators -- NOW WEBLATE ONLINE

2018-01-04 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi again,

Am Mittwoch, 3. Januar 2018 schrieb Petter Reinholdtsen:
> [Holger Wansing]
> > Forwarding this to Northern Saami team :
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > maybe someone on the list has some time to spent on debian-installer 
> > translation?
> > You can use Weblate here:
> > https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/debian-installer/
> 
> I hope someone can help you.  Would be great if the Debian installer
> again had 100% Northern Sami translation.
> 
> I can't help you myself with the Saami translation, 

Maybe you know of another mailinglists, where I can ask for help,
just in case that noone comes up here?

Best
Holger 

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Re: [i18n-sme] debian-installer: call to update translations - Northern Sami --- looking for new translators -- NOW WEBLATE ONLINE

2018-01-04 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Holger Wansing]
> Maybe you know of another mailinglists, where I can ask for help,
> just in case that noone comes up here?

I'm not aware of any alternative. :(

I fear the Saami free software translation team have completely
imploded, but still hope to be proven wrong. :)

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Bug#875858: pkgsel: Offer to install/manage unattended-upgrades

2018-01-04 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Tue, 02 Jan 2018, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote:
> Even more reason not to enable it if desktops are already catered for.

There's more than GNOME in Debian.

> > Right, there are cases where a service restart is required. There are also
> > many cases where it's not at all required because the library is only used
> > by short-lived processes. And there are security updates of applications
> > too. In all those cases, there are security benefits.
> 
> But it also provides a completely false sense of security as in "Debian takes
> care of this by default, no need to bother".

I think we can document the limitations of our current update procedure.

> > Or we could have a way to tag such breaking upgrades and teach
> > unattended-upgrades to skip them? And the unattended upgrades would notify
> > the admin about the need to manually upgrade?
> 
> Possibly, yes.

Can you file a wishlist bug suggesting this so that a more concrete
proposal can be hashed out with the unattended-upgrades maintainers ?

> > In any case, I'm not convinced that not installing updates and keeping a
> > running vulnerable service is better than breaking the service and letting
> > the admin fix it. If the admin is really concerned with the occasional
> > breakage then he will use another process and deinstall
> > unattended-upgrades.
> 
> unattended-upgrades is a crude hack at best, it's _not_ suitable for a default
> installation. There might be scenarios where it's fine to apply (e.g.
> in some test/staging environment or a desktop where breakage is acceptable and
> where people can install unattended-upgrades), but not for Debian 
> installations
> per se.

Besides service reloading, and a way to skip breaking upgrades, what else
would be needed so that you don't call it a "crude hack"?

> It also totally changes the dynamics from "Debian releases updates and it's
> my responsibility to test and deploy them within the parameters of my setup"
> to "updates are installed by default and the inevitable random regression 
> broke our systems, it's Debian's fault".

I don't see the relationship. This is really a question of documentation
and of setting the expectations straight.

> Providing security support for the biggest distro on a volunteer basis
> is complex enough, no need for unattended-upgrades to interfere further.

We certainly don't want to make it more complex for you, we just want more
people to benefit from your work, all those that are not paying attention
at all on the cloud servers that they brought up and then forgot about
when they were doing what they were supposed to do.

> > Because it was largely discussed on debian-devel already and I was not
> > aware that the security team had any reservation about this. I would
> > rather that we keep going and improve where needed instead of reverting
> > the change.
> 
> Random mailing discussions are not a useful consensus building mechanism,
> most of us don't follow them on a timely basis. This primarily affects the
> Security Team and such changes need to be brought to the attention of
> t...@security.debian.org

OK, putting team@security in copy now. I would like to hear the opinion of
other team members. Do you all agree with what Moritz said? Do you expect
more work for the security team just because we enable unattended-upgrades
by default? What kind of problems do you foresee?

At this point, if you all agree that this needs to be reverted, then you
will have to open a new bug report making your case. It would be even
better if you filed bugs against unattended-upgrades so that there is a
chance that the tool grows the missing features.

For the actual decision of reverting this default value, IMO we should
wait until later in the buster cycle, just to see if your concerns about
unattended-upgrades are fixed and to see how this works out in practice
(although the lack of security updates for testing makes it a bit
pointless as an experiment).

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Re: debian-installer: call to update translations - Malayalam -- NOW WEBLATE ONLINE

2018-01-04 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi,

Anish A  wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am taking this up. Will complete by next week.

That's sound great. Thanks!

Bye

Holger


> 
> 2017, ഡിസം 31 1:59 AM-ന്, "Holger Wansing"  എഴുതി:
> 
> >
> >
> > Forwarding this to debian-l10n-malayalam:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > maybe someone on the list has some time to spent on debian-installer
> > translation?
> > You can use Weblate here:
> > https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/debian-installer/
> >
> > Holger
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Holger Wansing  wrote:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm currently trying to get translations updated for our
> > debian-installer for
> > > > Buster.
> > > > For your language the translation has some work to do.
> > > >
> > > > Since you are the last translators, I want to ask if someone could
> > take some time
> > > > to update it?
> > > > That would be really great!
> > > >
> > > > Repository is here: https://anonscm.debian.org/
> > viewvc/d-i/trunk/packages/po/
> > > > Translation statistics can be found here: https://d-i.debian.org/l10n-
> > stats/
> > >
> > > Please note, that a web interface (Weblate) is now online for some
> > > debian-installer translations:
> > > See https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/debian-installer/
> > >
> > > If you prefer to translate via such webinterface, feel free to do so now
> > ;-)
> > >
> >



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Re: debian-installer: call to update translations - Tajik

2018-01-04 Thread Holger Wansing
Hi,

"Victor Ibragimov"  wrote:
> Hi Holger,
> 
> Yes, I did receive the files and they are on my desktop almost completed!
> There are also some consistency issues with the terminology to update across
> the files.
> Once completed I will send you files to commit or please, send me details
> with commit rights so I do it by myself immediately by then.
> 
> Have a great day and happy new year!
> Victor

A happy New Year to you, too!

Your info on translation status sound great.


Regarding your answer on commit rights:

When looking at
https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i?view=revision&revision=69062
I see that you had commit rights in the past as alioth user "ibragimov-guest".
So, is there a problem with that account? Do you have problems with
committing files to our repository?


Holger



> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Holger Wansing [mailto:li...@wansing-online.de] 
> Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2017 1:50 AM
> To: Victor Ibragimov ; debian-boot
> 
> Subject: Re: debian-installer: call to update translations - Tajik
> 
> Hi Victor,
> 
> "Victor Ibragimov"  wrote:
> > Dear Holger,
> > 
> > Could you please, send me the Tajik files as attachments to review and 
> > update and once ready I will send them back to you to commit.
> > 
> > Have a nice day!
> > Victor
> 
> I have sent the files to your mail address. Did you receive them?
> Could you sent me a quick note, if you still intend to work on them?
> Otherwise I would try to look for other translators ...
> (I don't want to annoy you, and there is no hurry with this translation,
> please don't feel be put on pressure!)
> 
> Holger
> 
> 
> PS: if you prefer, you can use the Weblate web-frontend for translation
> now: 
> https://hosted.weblate.org/projects/debian-installer/
> Just drop me a note, I can enable Tajik for Weblate, if you like.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Holger Wansing [mailto:li...@wansing-online.de]
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:19 PM
> > To: Victor Ibragimov 
> > Cc: debian-boot 
> > Subject: debian-installer: call to update translations - Tajik
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I'm currently trying to get translations updated for our 
> > debian-installer for Buster.
> > For your language the translation has some work to do.
> > 
> > Since you are the last translator, I want to ask if you could take 
> > some time to update it?
> > That would be really great!
> > 
> > Repository is here: 
> > https://anonscm.debian.org/viewvc/d-i/trunk/packages/po/
> > Translation statistics can be found here: 
> > https://d-i.debian.org/l10n-stats/
> > 
> > 
> > Feel free to ask, if you have any questions!
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Holger
> > 
> 
> 
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