Re: planning directfb 1.4 transition

2009-08-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Saturday 22 August 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> I've verified that both issues are not present in a daily built image
> using current libraries from unstable. I'll file a bug against the
> experimental version of directfb later.

Filed as: http://bugs.debian.org/543590


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Bug#484421: marked as done (partman-auto-raid: Should support preseeding of LVM-over-RAID setups)

2009-08-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Package: partman-auto-raid
Version: 11
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch

Attached is a patch adding support for preseeding LVM-over-RAID setups.

This patch depends and has been tested with the recent improvements
proposed over partman-md initialization scheme. [1]

[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/06/msg00093.html

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Maintainer: Debian Install System Team 
Changed-By: Colin Watson 
Description: 
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Closes: 484421 537928
Changes: 
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   [ Max Vozeler ]
   * Count NAMED_SPARES after splitting on #, fixes use of
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   * Remove myself as uploader.
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Bug#537928: marked as done ($NAMED_SPARES is miscounted (breaks auto-raid when using more than 1 spare))

2009-08-26 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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spare)
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Package: partman-auto-raid
Version: 14

I'm preseed installing using two spares. The auto-raidcfg script is
not properly counting spares resulting in mdadm error (fatal).

tty0: (in red)

  An unexpected error occurred while setting up a preseeded RAID
  configuration.

  Check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for the details.

syslog:

  partman-auto-raid: Selected spare count: 1
  partman-auto-raid: Spare devices count: 2
  partman-auto-raid: mdadm: You have listed more devices (5) than are in
the array(4)!
  partman-auto-raid: Error creating array /dev/md0


my preseed.cfg partman-auto-raid rule looks as follows:
d-i partman-auto-raid/recipe string \
1 2 2 ext3 /\
  /dev/sda1#/dev/sdb1   \
  /dev/sdc1#/dev/sdd1   \
.

Basically spares are counted (with wc) before they are split on '#'.

Below is a patch (tested) to fix this behavior:

--- auto-raidcfg2008-08-09 14:26:07.0 -0500
+++ auto-raidcfg.FIXED  2009-07-20 15:08:29.474764832 -0500
@@ -24,12 +24,14 @@
DEVICES="$6"
SPARE_DEVICES="$7"
 
-   NAMED_SPARES=$(echo $SPARE_DEVICES | wc -w)
-
RAID_DEVICES=$(echo $DEVICES | sed -e "s/#/ /g")
 
SPARE_DEVICES=$(echo $SPARE_DEVICES | sed -e "s/#/ /g")
 
+   # fixed - needs to run after splitting SPARE_DEVICES
+   NAMED_SPARES=$(echo $SPARE_DEVICES | wc -w)
+
+
if [ "$RAID_TYPE" != "0" ]; then
# Count them
SELECTED=$(echo $RAID_DEVICES | wc -w)


To work around this problem without rebuilding installer packages,
I'm running following script from inittab to replace auto-raidcfg
(I placed it into initrd along with preseed.cfg and /bin/auto-raidcfg.fixed):

/bin/fix-auto-raidcfg:

  #!/bin/sh

  /bin/echo -n "waiting for /bin/auto-raidcfg to appear: ";
  while [ ! -e /bin/auto-raidcfg ]; do
/bin/sleep 1;
/bin/echo -n ".";
  done;

  /bin/echo "";

  /bin/mv /bin/auto-raidcfg.fixed /bin/auto-raidcfg
  /bin/echo "*** replaced /bin/auto-raidcfg with a fixed version"

  /bin/echo -n "sleeping: "
  while true; do
/bin/echo -n '.';
sleep 1;
  done;


my initrd's /etc/inittab looks as follows:

  # /etc/inittab
  # busybox init configuration for debian-installer

  # main rc script
  ::sysinit:/sbin/reopen-console /sbin/debian-installer-startup

  # main setup program
  ::respawn:/sbin/reopen-console /sbin/debian-installer

  # convenience shells
  tty2::askfirst:-/bin/sh
  tty3::askfirst:-/bin/sh

  # logging
  tty4::respawn:/usr/bin/tail -f /var/log/syslog

  # fix auto-raidcfg script
  tty5::respawn:/bin/fix-auto-raidcfg

  # Stuff to do before rebooting
  ::ctrlaltdel:/sbin/shutdown > /dev/null 2>&1

  # re-exec init on receipt of SIGHUP/SIGUSR1
  ::restart:/sbin/init


Please let me know if you accept my patch.

Thanks, Michal


ps. Since I'm already modifying auto-raidcfg, I'm using a non-default
chunk size (not shown in above code). Ability to specify chunk
size in partman-auto-raid/recipe would be nice... optimal chunk size
increased sequential IO on my systems by 30%.

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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-26 Thread Gaudenz Steinlin
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:25:43AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> - if we go this way it will mean that we'll have to continue to support
>   the few "required Recommends" that have been identified in the past;
>   one example is busybox for initramfs-tools, another that IMO is worth
>   keeping is libgl1-mesa-dri for X.Org; we'll have to review the changes
>   made by Joey in tasksel that dropped some packages from tasks, but I
>   doubt many would need to be added back;

Shouldn't they actually be Depends if they are really required for a
working system? I don't see why you want to special case some packages.
If ppl don't want recommends they should really not get any recommends 
and decide for themselves if they do want to install these additional usefull
packages. IMO you can't have both, no recommends and everything that is
generally usefull to have but not a dependency.

Gaudenz

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2009-08-26 Thread Archive Administrator

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Bug#541831: installation-reports: Sunfire T2000 success (one minor issue)

2009-08-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Monday 17 August 2009, Stephen Gran wrote:
> > It sounds like the "rsc console" is something different, which could
> > explain what you saw. Maybe we need special handling for this case.
>
> The rsc is much like an iLo or alom.  It's just another management
> interface that offers a 'console' interface to manage the OS.  I did
> the install using this interface, obtained by running 'break -c'.

OK. So the problem is that there is no direct link between the rsc and the 
(serial) console to be used for the installed system.

> > Questions:
> > - What were the contents of /etc/inittab after the installation? Were
> >   the entries for tty[1-6] commented out or not?
> [contents of /etc/inittab]

So regular consoles were enabled. That's expected. I mainly asked to 
confirm.

> #T0:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS0 9600 vt100
> #T1:23:respawn:/sbin/getty -L ttyS1 9600 vt100
>
> I had to uncomment T0 to get a console with 'console -f' from the rsc.

So the rsc is somehow linked to ttyS0.

> ~ # console-type
> serial

This is at least one clue: D-I *does* detect it's a serial connection.

> ~ # readlink /proc/self/fd/0
> /dev/console

That's a logical value if it isn't /dev/ttyS0.

> > - If the first is not "serial" and/or the last is not /dev/ttyS0,
> > then how could the need to set up serial console be detected?
>
> That's a very good question.  Interestingly, I see this in dmesg:
> [   32.032662] console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0]
>
> So at least at that point, the kernel thinks it _is_ tty0.

That's fairly normal. In the past we've also seen on sparc:
[0.00] console [earlyprom0] enabled
[   53.918290] Console: colour dummy device 80x25
[   53.971361] console handover: boot [earlyprom0] -> real [tty0]
[   59.676537] Console: switching to mono PROM 80x34
[   64.238061] Console: ttyS0 (SAB82532)
[   64.308951] console [ttyS0] enabled

Is there anything after that first message in your case? The full boot log 
would be useful to have for this issue.

> Unfortunately, I don't know enough about whether there is a difference
> between what you attach to with 'console -f' in the rsc and what you
> attach to with 'break -c'.  I naively think that they should be the
> same thing, but it is possible that they are not.

/me is completely lost here.

> > - Does the installer work correctly and does a listener for serial
> > console get set up for the installed system if you boot D-I with
> > console=ttyS0?
>
> No:
> steal-ctty: No such file or directory
> steal-ctty: No such file or directory
> steal-ctty: No such file or directory
> Over and over.

That might be a bug in itself that's worth fixing. The source for 
steal-ctty is at [1]. It is called by [2], which does the actual 
detection. The loop is probably because init keeps failing and resets.

Can you find out what /var/run/console-device contains at that point?
I'd expect /dev/ttyS0, but it would be good to know for sure.
You can probably find out by booting with BOOT_DEBUG=3 and then in
/sbin/reopen-console add a 'set -x' plus near the end a 'sleep 30' so you 
have time to read the output.

> So, this doesn't look like a problem the installer can
> fix.  It's just odd that the OS doesn't see the serial console on the
> same device as the installer does:
>
> sg...@zee:~$ readlink /proc/self/fd/0
> /dev/ttyS0
>
> Well, I'm a bit mystified about how this could be fixed, so I don't
> mind if you want to close it as unresolvable or punt it over to the
> sparc porters to see if they can shed any light on it.

We have solved similar problems in that past. The only thing that's needed 
is *some* way of identifying this case. Possibly there's something 
in /proc from openprom? We could then do something similar as was done 
for powerpc (see the code after "# Set up virtualized..." in [3]).

The final option would be to add a dialog that's displayed if we are 
uncertain and that just asks what to use. Might be useful for other cases 
too.

Main question is if you're willing and able to do a bit more digging :-)

Cheers,
FJP

[1]http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/rootskel/src/sbin/steal-ctty.c
[2]http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/rootskel/src/sbin/reopen-console-linux
[3]http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/finish-install/finish-install.d/90console



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Re: Spellchecking priorities [Was: Re: Override changes standard -> optional]

2009-08-26 Thread Joey Hess
Christian Perrier wrote:
> Task: standard
> Section: user
> Description: Standard system utilities
>  This task sets up a basic user environment, providing a reasonably
>  small selection of services and tools usable on the command line.
> Packages: standard
> Test-new-install: mark skip
> 
> I assume that adding:
> 
> Packages-list:
>  iamerican

That won't work becase Package-list is only looked at if the task uses
Packages: task-fields

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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> Shouldn't they actually be Depends if they are really required for a
> working system? I don't see why you want to special case some packages.

You'd have to take that up with the maintainers of the packages. But for 
the two cases I mentioned there's already been *loads* of discussion.

For initramfs-tools for example busybox is only _not_ wanted in a very 
limited number of use-cases, but to allow for those use-cases it cannot 
be a Depends. Omitting it in D-I installs would mean users would have 
severely limited options to debug boot problems, which is IMO 
irresponsible _even_ if they indirectly chose it themselves because that 
consequence of the "no Recommends" choice is almost impossible to 
predict, and also impossible to correct just when you'd need to.

> If ppl don't want recommends they should really not get any recommends
> and decide for themselves if they do want to install these additional
> usefull packages.

In general I agree completely, but there are always exceptions and an 
distro installer is IMO the one place where it is justified to have 
exceptions. There are other places where we do somewhat similar things in 
situations where following the general rules by the letter would simply 
leave users with completely unexpected/undesired results.

> IMO you can't have both, no recommends and everything that is generally
> usefull to have but not a dependency. 

Again, I agree in general, but I don't think e.g. not installing busybox 
is a realistic option.

Cheers,
FJP



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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Frans Pop wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> > Shouldn't they actually be Depends if they are really required for a
> > working system? I don't see why you want to special case some
> > packages.
>
> You'd have to take that up with the maintainers of the packages. But
> for the two cases I mentioned there's already been *loads* of
> discussion.

I've been wondering whether we don't need a new field to express such 
relationships. Something like "Soft-Depends:". That would be treated as 
depends, but can be unselected manually or uninstalled later if a user 
really, really wants to.

IMO Recommends does not fit that description as a lot of packages do fit 
the "should normally be installed together with" criterion, but where 
more critical users don't see any need to install it.
The gap between Suggests and Depends is in practice proving to be just too 
big to be filled by a single field.

It would also allow something like debian-cd to include it on CD images 
before Recommends.

Main downside of course is that it is yet another control field, as if we 
don't have enough of those already.



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Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective

2009-08-26 Thread Frans Pop
(debian-cd added in CC with full quote of original mail)

On Tuesday 25 August 2009, Joey Hess wrote:
> A problem with providing some global way of turning off recommends by
> default in d-i is that tasks are now being maintained with the implicit
> and explicit assumption that recommends are installed by default. So,
> if recommends are turned off, tasks can be broken in both subtle and
> obvious ways.

Without apparently any consideration for how this breaks CD images.
As you well know, debian-cd currently does NOT have any functionality 
allowing it to include Recommends on a particular image, like the first 
CD. Even if it did have such functionality, it would in my expectation be 
completely unworkable as activating it would mean way too many packages 
would suddenly want to be included on CD1.

Of course we already had that problem to some extend as non-key packages 
were not necessarily available, but this will greatly increase the issue 
as packages that were previously included because they were Depends, will 
now get moved back all the way down to the "inclusion based on popcon" 
level.

I also worry what the change will mean for the total size of the various 
desktop installs. Is the 3GB check still enough? Somehow I doubt it.

> Frans touched on this in his mail, but AFAIK the set of "required
> recommends" is much larger than busybox and libgl1-mesa-dri[1]. See
> tasksel's changelog for 2.79 for many more, and note that more will
> have a tendancy to be added over time. Also note that the (er, my)
> inability to keep track of such required recommends is why recommends
> were turned on in tasksel in the first place.

To be honest I don't feel most of those listed in 2.79 are anywhere close 
to the same priority as the two I mentioned.

> Also, the gnome metapackage is being maintained with similar implicit
> and explicit assumptions about recommends. And reversing that may not
> be to the taste of the maintainers or users of the package. For
> example, I'm about to file a bug requesting that network-manager-gnome
> be demoted to a recommends.

Losing network-manager-gnome from CD1 seems like a fairly major issue to 
me.

> Knowing that recommends will be installed 
> by default gives the maintainer the ability to support such tweaks
> while still being sure that users who install the package will get a
> usable and standard gnome system. If the maintainer has to worry about
> users who choose to disable all recommends, he will be forced to keep
> network-manager a depends. Thus, supporting users who want to disable
> all recommends tends to reduce the total configurability of Debian.

IMO maintainers of desktop tasks do *not* have to worry about this. Such 
consequences are clearly for the user who chooses to install without 
Recommends enabled. If you chose that option, you definitely do not have 
the right to expect a "fully usable and standard system". But that does 
not mean the option is completely without merit.

I also don't think this option will be used by people doing desktop 
installs using tasksel. They are much more likely to install a normal 
base system and selectively build their desktop on top of that.
If they use a proper package manager for that, they will have plenty of 
opportunity to review which recommends they do and don't want.

> IMHO the best we can do is to implement the option, but document it as
> likely to install a broken system unless the user manually knows just
> what missing bits to install.

Which is *exactly* what I indicated in the draft template I proposed in my 
patch.

I think that, based on the reactions in the tread, we should drop the 
template in my patch for base-installer. Instead I think we should have 
the option only preseedable and as a boot option. For the latter I 
suggest defining an alias instead, so you'll be able to boot with
'recommends=false'.

> Or not implement the option, which seems equivilant from here.

Not from here.

> (BTW, did you notice the annoying samba questions when installing the
> desktop task? It was an unncessary recommends in cups, which was quite
> quickly fixed once brought to the package maintainer's attention.)

I've seen other such BRs closed by various maintainers. In most cases with 
proper argumentation, even if I did not agree with it in all cases.

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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-26 Thread Don Wright
On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:19:06 +0200, Frans Pop  wrote:

>I've been wondering whether we don't need a new field to express such 
>relationships. Something like "Soft-Depends:". That would be treated as 
>depends, but can be unselected manually or uninstalled later if a user 
>really, really wants to.

If there are few enough packages needing an "Almost-Always-Depends:"
field, could this be handled by a dummy package in the Depends: list?
Something like "Depends: busybox-dummy | busybox" where busybox-dummy
would not normally be available (and thus skipped) unless proper magic
was invoked. Or do I misunderstand packaging and installation?  --Don



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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-26 Thread Frans Pop
On Wednesday 26 August 2009, Don Wright wrote:
> If there are few enough packages needing an "Almost-Always-Depends:"
> field, could this be handled by a dummy package in the Depends: list?
> Something like "Depends: busybox-dummy | busybox" where busybox-dummy
> would not normally be available (and thus skipped) unless proper magic
> was invoked. Or do I misunderstand packaging and installation?  --Don

How would you ensure busybox-dummy is not available? If a user installs 
using a network mirror, then *all* packages are available.
If you reverse the order you'd get what you want: busybox gets installed 
by default, but you'd be able to remove it by installing busybox-dummy 
instead. But then I'd not name it busybox-dummy, but just 'dummy' so that 
other packages could depend on it too for the same purpose.

Or do you mean the user would have to create the busybox-dummy package 
himself? But then he could just as easily create an empty busybox 
replacement package (using 'equivs' for example).

But having empty packages in the archive and creating what remains a bogus 
dependency construction is not exactly my idea of an elegant solution :-)

Cheers,
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Bug#472704: (no subject)

2009-08-26 Thread James Richardson
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Bug#472704: debootstrap: Could not reproduce exactly.

2009-08-26 Thread James Richardson
Package: debootstrap
Severity: normal


Hi, I seemed to be having the same issue, here is my info.

I have been trying to bootstrap several openvz instances with debootstrap
incantations similar to:

$sudo debootstrap --variant minbase  
--include=aptitude,netbase,ifupdown,puppet,lsb-release sid 
/var/lib/vz/private/305 http://apt:3142/ftp.us.debian.org/debian

I received the errors about base packages:

W: Failure while configuring base packages.
W: Failure while configuring base packages.
W: Failure while configuring base packages.
W: Failure while configuring base packages.
W: Failure while configuring base packages.

I thought maybe it does like sid, lets try lenny. Lenny was sucessful.
Ok, lets try sid without the minbase and --includes. (e.g.
$sudo debootstrap sid /var/lib/vz/private/305 
http://apt:3142/ftp.us.debian.org/debian

That was sucessfull. Perhaps the bug is fixed, not-reproduceable.

I went back to the original incantation, added --verbose. The 
debootstrap log in /var/lib/vz/private/305/debootstrap had errors
complaining the puppet was not configured, missing dependency of 
(host | bind9-host). I added bind9-host to list of includes and all is
now working.

I said all that to say that the bug may be fixed, I have no idea of what
fixed it, the official way to document that it may be resolved.

I also don't know exactly why the dependencies weren't picked up, even 
with --resolv-dep.

The actual depency chain looks like
puppet depends on factor,
factor depends on (host | bind9-host).

factor is pulled in automagically, bind9-host is not.

Thanks.

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  APT policy: (500, 'unstable-i386'), (500, 'transitional-i386'), (500, 
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Bug#543786: partman-auto-raid: having to name devices explicitly is clumsy

2009-08-26 Thread Colin Watson
Package: partman-auto-raid
Version: 15
Severity: wishlist
Tags: patch
User: ubuntu-de...@lists.ubuntu.com
Usertags: origin-ubuntu ubuntu-patch karmic

partman-auto-raid/recipe currently has to be set like this:

d-i partman-auto-raid/recipe string \
  1 2 0 ext3 / /dev/sda1#/dev/sdb1 . \
  1 2 0 swap / /dev/sda5#/dev/sdb5 .

These device names would normally be expected to correspond to
partitions that are the result of running normal autopartitioning based
on partman-auto/expert_recipe or similar. I think that in general this
is clumsy and hard to manage. In particular, if you're generating
preseed files from some other format (e.g. kickseed) then it's
tremendously difficult to work out in advance what the partition numbers
are going to be in any portable way, without duplicating logic such as
that to choose default disk labels, due to the split between primary and
logical partitions; but even if you are in a position to work this out
by hand it is a very clumsy way to go about it.

Attached is a patch which introduces new syntax, looking like this:

d-i partman-auto-raid/recipe string \
  1 2 0 ext3 / raidid=1 . \
  1 2 0 swap / raidid=2 .

You then put raidid{ 1 } and raidid{ 2 } (the IDs don't have to be
numbers; they just have to contain neither spaces nor slashes) for the
method{ raid } elements in your main autopartitioning recipe, and
partman-auto-raid works out automatically which devices it ought to use.

Any comments? I think this is a noticeable improvement, so I'll commit
it next week or so if there are no objections.

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Bug#468624: python-xml removal: please drop/replace (build) dependencies

2009-08-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
The following patch removes the need for python-xml.

Note that python-xml is currently really a run-time dependency, not a
build-dependency.

Ben.

diff -Nru discover-data-2.2008.06.25/debian/control 
discover-data-2.2008.06.25+nmu1/debian/control
--- discover-data-2.2008.06.25/debian/control   2008-01-12 19:31:13.0 
+
+++ discover-data-2.2008.06.25+nmu1/debian/control  2009-08-27 
01:16:31.0 +0100
@@ -4,7 +4,7 @@
 Maintainer: Debian Install System Team 
 Uploaders: Petter Reinholdtsen , Otavio Salvador 
, David Nusinow , Gaudenz Steinlin 

 Build-Depends: debhelper (>= 4.0)
-Build-Depends-Indep: python, python-xml
+Build-Depends-Indep: python
 Standards-Version: 3.7.3
 XS-Vcs-Svn: svn://svn.debian.org/pkg-discover/discover-data/trunk
 
diff -Nru discover-data-2.2008.06.25/reduce-xml 
discover-data-2.2008.06.25+nmu1/reduce-xml
--- discover-data-2.2008.06.25/reduce-xml   2005-07-17 13:12:58.0 
+0100
+++ discover-data-2.2008.06.25+nmu1/reduce-xml  2009-08-27 01:37:48.0 
+0100
@@ -10,8 +10,6 @@
 import getopt
 import xml.dom
 import xml.dom.minidom
-import xml.dom.ext
-from xml.dom.ext.reader import Sax2
 
 try:
 True
@@ -27,7 +25,6 @@
"classspec": [],
"classversion": "",
"modlistfile": "",
-   "use-minidom": True,
"debug": False
  }
 
@@ -183,14 +180,7 @@
 bus_info = {}
 for fn in config["filelist"]:
 try:
-if config["use-minidom"]:
-document = xml.dom.minidom.parse(fn)
-else:
-f = open(fn)
-reader = Sax2.Reader()
-document = reader.fromStream(f)
-f.close()
-
+document = xml.dom.minidom.parse(fn)
 bus_id = document.documentElement.attributes["bus"].value
 except:
 sys.stderr.write("warning: couldn't parse %s, skipping.\n"
@@ -257,7 +247,8 @@
 nnode = data_node.childNodes[0]
 while len(npath) > 0 and nnode is not None:
 while nnode is not None and \
-  not nnode.hasAttributes():
+nnode.nodeType != \
+xml.dom.Node.ELEMENT_NODE:
 nnode = nnode.nextSibling
 if nnode is None:
 continue
@@ -318,7 +309,7 @@
 else:
 out_file = open(config["outfile"], "w")
 
-xml.dom.ext.PrettyPrint(out, out_file)
+out.writexml(out_file, encoding="UTF-8")
 
 except UsageError, e:
 sys.stderr.write(sys.argv[0] + ": " + str(e) + "\n")
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Bug#543256: tasksel maintainer's perspective

2009-08-26 Thread Joey Hess
So, that change was made in tasksel three months ago, near to the start
what was, AFAIK at the time, a 1.5 year release cycle. This was done in
full knowledge that enabling recommends would take some time to sort
out, including getting debian-cd to disable NORECOMMENDS and maybe
handle recommends more intelligently; dealing with demotion of
unnecessary recommends; and dealing with any size increase issues.

If the current release timeframe[1] is not long enough to sort these
issues out, perhaps the release team should be told about that. Or
perhaps someone will want to revert this -- but you get to own all the
issues of the installer not installing recommends while maintainers
assume it will.

Frans Pop wrote:
> Losing network-manager-gnome from CD1 seems like a fairly major issue
> to me.

Oddly it didn't seem to be treated as a big deal by a lot of people when
it happened to stable CD1. :-/

[users disabling recommends]
> IMO maintainers of desktop tasks do *not* have to worry about this.

But they clearly do:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?msg=22;att=0;bug=542095
| In the end this is possible, and you’re not the first one to ask, but
| then we’ll get bug reports from stupid users asking why this or that
| functionality doesn’t work, while Recommends have not been installed.

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Bug#543256: Make installing recommends optional

2009-08-26 Thread Joey Hess
Frans Pop:
> I've been wondering whether we don't need a new field to express such 
> relationships. Something like "Soft-Depends:". That would be treated as 
> depends, but can be unselected manually or uninstalled later if a user 
> really, really wants to.

You can come up with subtle graduations like this, but neither users nor
developers will understand or apply them consistently, unless they are
implemented in a way that encourages a given use.

Recommends is currently implemented in all tools very close to the way
your Soft-Depends would need to be, and the implementation drives
behavior. Weakening recommends back down to how it used to be and adding
another field would be a lot of work to end right back in the same
place, with just some added complexity/confusion.

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Bug#468624: python-xml removal: please drop/replace (build) dependencies

2009-08-26 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 01:59 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> The following patch removes the need for python-xml.

Sorry, that only covers the reduce-xml script.  merge-lst-to-xml also
needs to be modified.

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