Re: [Debconf-team] Travel sponsorship
I just saw this today. I missed this May 1st deadline, I hope I will still be eligible for some travel sponsorship. If not, see you some other time I suppose. Regards, Safir On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 3:53 PM, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Quoting "Margarita Manterola" : > > Due to the amount of people that made the same mistake, we are giving > > you a last chance to fill this information, you have until May 1st to > > fill it in. > > As you write it on the list, I assume you mean > "you" == "all you boludos who can't read a simple date" > (which includes me, of course), right? > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] [Fwd: Re : registration+invitation for MRS OMBE]
>On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Anto Recio wrote: >could be a scam? i recived 7 mails ask for invitation letter from this account >cambio...@yahoo.fr , i think is a scam It happened previous years too. +1 ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf logo
I like <> better. Thanks! On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 11:10 PM, Damyan Ivanov wrote: > -=| Gabriela Manjarrez, Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 02:13:20PM -0500 |=- > > > > I'm not sure how to adjust the logo according to your request of putting > the > > 'Debconf' text on top. I'm attaching two possibilities but if you have a > > better idea... > > > > Modifications are based on the version you asked for: > > http://wiki.debconf.org/upload/5/5a/01_en_Vertical2Colors_alfa.svg > > I like both variants :) > > -- > dam > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) > > iEYEARECAAYFAkpBRNgACgkQHqjlqpcl9ju4wQCeLZatYqUf+C+AzTIUM41N+FVp > sx4AoMSOqg3tBOTeOoeQlnF0DFwFbZlY > =SPvu > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf logo
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 9:38 AM, Safir Secerovic wrote: > I like <> better. > > Thanks! > Also, the swirl seems a bit squeezed up vertically. I does not look properly. Can it be just stretched across the canvas a little? Thanks again! ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] waves!!
Sound like a good idea for a Latin American Debian Community get-together. salud sapphire On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 3:42 AM, Anto Recio wrote: > Hola amigos!! > > what do you think if I propose to make Debian Work Sesions in Panama > there is a call of the Panamanian government to fund technology events > for 2010, the deadline is 26th october > > salud > anto > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Announcement: Global team meeting Nov 18, 21 UTC; but keep reading
I have to excuse myself for today's meeting. I will be on away on a trip without Internet connectivity. Will gladly read minutes and try to get more info afterwards. Kind regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DC11 Location announcement?
Hi, thank you Richards for putting the draft to the whiteboard. I have made some addition for Banja Luka specific parts. Others, please inspect and improve. Regards, Safir On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Richard Darst wrote: > On Wed, Mar 03, 2010 at 08:43:00PM +0100, Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Alexander Reichle-Schmehl wrote: > > > > >> just in case someone does not know the result yet: the winner is Banja > > >> Luka, Bosnia & Herzegovina. Congrats! > > > Sorry, will be busy with CeBIT stuff and my job. Could someone please > > > try to prepare an announcement for this? > > > > Ping?? Anyone can write anything similar to > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/2008/msg5.html? Doesn't > > need to be perfect, we can get it straight, once some has come up with a > > draft. > > I started a draft here > http://whiteboard.debian.net/dc11announce_70693a.wb > based exactly on the old text. I'll talk with the localteam to try to > work out just what details are know - ... > > Actually, it seems like this would be a more appropriate message to > model off of > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20090225.114527.4f27d7e2.en.html > since the other message was sent in December after details were known. > > To do: > > - [dc11 localteam] Could you add some quotes to the draft, and any > more > > - Also make sure that the local sponsor support isn't overstating >what we have. > > - [Hydroxide] I included some metavariables for you to fill in as a > quote from the decision meeting leader. If someone else would like > to provide the decision meeting person's quote, please do. > > - also, adjust the length of it (3.5 hours) if that's not about right. > > - [dc10 localteam] [dc10 talks team] Revise DebConf10 open day blurb - > should we say it's targeted to users, or like past DebianDays and > targeted towards people who would be interested in the benefits of > Debian/free software ? > > > Thanks (and thanks, Alexander, for starting this off), > > - Richard > > -- > | Richard Darst - rkd@ - boltzmann: up 226 days, 17:01 > |http://rkd.zgib.net - pgp 0xBD356740 > | "Ye shall know the truth and -- the truth shall make you free" > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Final version of Linux Journal Ad
Excellent job everyone, I'm very proud of us :) Have nice day/evening :) Safir On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 11:35 -0400, Michael Schultheiss wrote: > Pablo Duboue wrote: > > OK, so thanks to Sapphire, Michael, Marga, a few Scribus tutorials I > > watched > > on-line, here are two options for the LJ ad: > > > > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debconf-data/dc10/sponsors/lj/lj5a.pdf > > > > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debconf-data/dc10/sponsors/lj/lj5b.pdf > > > > (they vary in the placement of the sponsors logos) > > Looks great. I prefer the layout of B. > > > Please help proofread! It is a lot of text. Plenty of typos might be > > lurking > > on those boxes! > > I'd change the date to Sunday, August 1, 2010 > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Proposal: new permanent sponsors procedure
I agree with everything in your proposal. Regards, Safir signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebCamp food ideas
Hi, These ideas seem pretty unacceptable to me personally. Especially if people who can't afford expensive meals in NYC are left on a diet since thing would be "worked out" for them. I guess it can be expounded further at the meeting. Safir On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 22:17 -0400, Richard Darst wrote: > Hi, > > While Micah, Clint, and I were talking last night, we got some ideas > regarding food for DebCamp. We weren't sure which were good ideas, > but some could save us money or simplify things. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebCamp food ideas
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 12:20 -0400, Richard Darst wrote: > I agree that one absolute requirement of any of these plans would have > to be that people whom need sponsorship can get it, and without > jumping through frustrating hoops. The exact mechanism for that is to > be determined, but would have to be decided at the time we decided to > do this plan. > > Is this better? It is more filling. Yes. :) But until the exact mechanism is conceptualized my stomach keeps disagreeing :) Safir signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] DebConf11 Bosnia mailing list from now in English
Hi everyone, We have established the rule that all future correspondence at DebConf11 Local Team mailing list will be done solely in the English language. This was done to alleviate misunderstanding and language barrier and to improve communication with the International Orga Team. For prospective subscribers here are the information on the mailing list: Debconf11-bosnia mailing list debconf11-bos...@lists.debconf.net http://lists.debconf.net/mailman/listinfo/debconf11-bosnia With respect, Safir Secerovic signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Debian Day Description
On Sun, 2010-07-11 at 11:12 -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote: > > http://whiteboard.debian.net/DebianDay_ebb43d.wb > > Some questions I did some cosmetics on the text. tnx! Safir signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Authentication for food
This sound good and simple to me (the visual authentication). Regards, Safir On Tuesday 28 February 2006 12:37, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > This weekend we talked some points over with the people at Oaxtepec - > we will report them over several short mails :) > > Regarding the restaurant: They told me the preferred way with large > groups is not to use barcode scanners, not even to use tickets, but to > use visual authentication - the waiters will serve to everybody who > has a Debconf nametag of the right colors. They say that's what most > large groups do with them. Of course, they will still count how many > meals were served, and it's completely a trust-based relationship - We > will pay for whatever amount they say was served. > > Now, this opens up a bit for abuse, as people can give others their > nametags and we get to pay meals for free to other people - but I > would basically hope we can trust our group. > > They also agree to use tickets, which would mean more hassle (printing > and counting them for each person), but stronger authentication. > > What do you think? Do you oppose the simple trust model? > > Greetings, -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] meeting tonight 2h later?
> i have a date collision tonight with the irc meeting and an other > group i am part of. can we move our meeting 2h later tonight, so > that it starts at 21:00UTC? > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > Fine with me! Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] budget woes
Even though breakfast is my favourite meal, and I do get up early, but looking at the rest of us :) I am for the canceling of breakfast in order to save money. No money no breakfast :( > On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Marcela Tiznado wrote: > >> What I suggest, is make people choose 2 meals from the 3 promised, >> nobody would die for having to pay for a meal or not having it. We >> have an average of 13290.20 USD per meal. Doing a quick guess people >> would skip lunch which is the most expensive meal! :) > > From the debconf5 experience, I'd say that breakfast is probably the > least well attended meal; lunch almost everyone goes to, assuming > they're awake by then. [I think the only time I went to breakfast was > one of the nights I didn't sleep at all.] > > http://gallery.donarmstrong.com/2005/07_july/022_aschwin_forces_safir_to_eat_while_andreas_looks_on_20050717.jpg > > has a graphic example of how many people did not eat breakfast... > > > Don Armstrong > > -- > An elephant: A mouse built to government specifications. > -- Robert Heinlein _Time Enough For Love_ p244 > > http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Re: kosher discrimination at debconf
I hope, we will not when it the pork is on the menu, so some of us can avoid it for religious reasons. If you could do that Gunnar please, I know that you have you hands full but please... Greetings Safir On Sunday 09 April 2006 16:21, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Thomas Bliesener dijo [Sat, Apr 08, 2006 at 10:07:26PM -0500]: > > > Eating clean meat > > > > Meat?? In Mexico we are used to eat tortillas and beans for breakfast, > > dinner and supper, but you can vary the menu with different kinds of > > chilis. > > And we also eat meat, of course. Pork is very often eaten, but close > to Oaxtepec is the world-famous Yecapixtla, famous for its salted > beef, which was exported (before fridges were invented) to all of the > New Spain. > > > > Can I expect cockroaches under the bed > > > > Cockroaches are a very nutritive source of protein and AFAIK they are > > kosher. Mexico is famous for its native species. Under the bed you will > > find only very few ones, you better ask in the kitchen or look in the > > salad for them! > > I have never eaten cockroaches, but you will find grilled grasshopers > in the market. They are very tasty, many Debconf attendees have tasted > the ones I brought to Oslo and to Helsinki. Oh, and I'm sure Mako > remembers the worm he drank with the mezcal in Brazil. You will find > all kinds of strange food in Mexico - and it's very often worth > trying. > > Greetings, -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Arriving (hopefully) on 4th and 5th of May
Any comments? Looks like a few of us will be coming earlier... At least, would be good if we could stay in the same hotel (dorm), whether we need to pay for stay and food those two days or not. Greetings, Safir -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Arriving (hopefully) on 4th and 5th of May Date: Tuesday 11 April 2006 02:39 From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hola Gunnar, I just wanted to clear this up. Some of us, like damog and me, and two more people from Venecula (volunteers I think) we be arriving (God willing :)) on 4th and more people: stockholm, ganneff, amaya... are scheduled to come on 5th of May. Can we use the dorm (the hotel) those two nights, or one night for free? or at all? I am talking about 4 people on 4th plus 3 or 4 coming on 5th of May. Gracias par su travajo amigo -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] questions to the local team: times, room sizes and numbers
Helo everybody, let me just add one more question to Andreas': Is there and will there be a laundry facility there or not? Regards, Safir On Friday 14 April 2006 22:37, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > hi! > > In order to put up the preliminary talks/bofs schedule we need to know > some corner data: how many rooms are there for talks, how many for bofs, > how big are they, when are they available and when are the meals? > > I would be very welcome if don got that list soon so he could produce a > preliminary schedule. It would also be nice to be able to publish those > times (for meals etc) on the website. > > /andreas > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] US travel warning about Bosnia
This is a really low blow to us, the local team in Bosnia. I did not really know about either of these warnings. But, for example people, the previous DebConf6 was in .mx and this issue (of the crime rate etc.) was not raised at any time, although in Mexico there is plenty. I do not want my fellow Mexicans or anyone else to misunderstand, but, Sarajevo is one of the safest places on the planet thank God for that. Yes, we have thieves and pickpocketers but that is where the story ends. Lots and lots of japanese and american tourists are coming to Bosnia day by day. You should ask someone who has been here, rather than posting this kind of material. Regards, Safir On Saturday 17 June 2006 03:17, Moray Allan wrote: > The US State Department re-issued a Travel Warning about Bosnia on 30 > March -- "Travel Warnings are issued when the State Department > recommends that Americans avoid a certain country." > > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_938.html > > This certainly won't put *me* off going to Bosnia (and my own government > seems less negative about the country), but given the number of > Developers in the US it seems worth the DebConf team being aware of the > Warning. > > (full list of US Travel Warnings for comparison at > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html ) -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] US travel warning about Bosnia
This is why it is good for us to have a part of the orga team to come here beforehand and inspect the place first hand. Looking forward seeing you guys! :) Take care, Safir On Saturday 17 June 2006 08:34, Safir Secerovic wrote: > This is a really low blow to us, the local team in Bosnia. > I did not really know about either of these warnings. > But, for example people, the previous DebConf6 was in .mx and this issue > (of the crime rate etc.) was not raised at any time, although in Mexico > there is plenty. I do not want my fellow Mexicans or anyone else to > misunderstand, but, Sarajevo is one of the safest places on the planet > thank God for that. Yes, we have thieves and pickpocketers but that is > where the story ends. Lots and lots of japanese and american tourists are > coming to Bosnia day by day. You should ask someone who has been here, > rather than posting this kind of material. > > Regards, > Safir > > On Saturday 17 June 2006 03:17, Moray Allan wrote: > > The US State Department re-issued a Travel Warning about Bosnia on 30 > > March -- "Travel Warnings are issued when the State Department > > recommends that Americans avoid a certain country." > > > > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_938.html > > > > This certainly won't put *me* off going to Bosnia (and my own government > > seems less negative about the country), but given the number of > > Developers in the US it seems worth the DebConf team being aware of the > > Warning. > > > > (full list of US Travel Warnings for comparison at > > http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/tw/tw_1764.html ) -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] US travel warning about Bosnia
On of the worlds healthies and richest spring/mountain water countries, tap water 100% drinkable! > Safir Secerovic wrote: >> But, for example people, the previous DebConf6 was in .mx and this issue >> (of the crime rate etc.) was not raised at any time, although in Mexico >> there >> is plenty. > > What about poisoned water, like here in Mexico? :-) > > -- > David Moreno Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | http://www.damog.net/ > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> | GPG: C671257D > Some people call it the happiest place on Earth. > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] On Bosnian entry visas for South and Central Americas EXCLUDING Argentinians!
I was told by Bosnian Foreign Office that we could ask from them to issue you a visa in one of the European coutries, say in Rome, Italy or somewhere convenient for you, on your way to here, and they apparently would issue you a visa on the fly, assuming that you do not need a transit or entry visa for you entry point in Europe I guess. So we can work this out for Mexicans, Venezuelans, Brazilians and so on. We just need to figure out the best location in EU where you guys could get you Bosnian visas on the fly. Since we would send Letters of Invitation directly to our Foreign Office for each of you, stating that you should be issued a visa in the country of our choice. OK? Happy? :) P.S. Argentinians have Bosnian embassy in their country, so we would send invitations to them personally. Take care, Safir > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > [ Cleaning the To: and CC: headers, AFAIK David and Moray are subscribed ] > > On 06/17/2006 09:29 PM, David Moreno Garza wrote: >> Moray Allan wrote: >> >>>This certainly won't put *me* off going to Bosnia (and my own government >>>seems less negative about the country), but given the number of >>>Developers in the US it seems worth the DebConf team being aware of the >>>Warning. >> >> I have a personal issue which should come up sooner or later. >> >> After checking quickly if Mexican citizens were required to get a visa >> to enter Bosnia, I took a deeply look into it. > [...] >> Apparently, as Mexican citizen, I have to travel to one of the Bosnian >> consulates on the US (located in Washington, Chicago and NYC, all of >> them in northern US) to a personal interview, according to the Mexican >> government information, which is the *only* way to get the visa. This >> made me look for more information on Latin people, specially since my >> girlfriend, who would be attending also, is Venezuelan. >> >> I found that there's also an embassy in Argentina, but any of those are >> difficult or expensive ways to get the Bosnian visa for me or people >> from north South America: Specially also, since flying to the US to get >> the visa would take up time and stuff to get the American visa for most >> of the people who don't have it (which personally is not my case, but my >> gf doesn't have it, i.e.), and flying to Buenos Aires would be extremely >> expensive. >> >> So, I'd really like to know how people from Latam *really* could do >> these processes. I don't want to think that, since we had DC6 here, now >> it's our turn to not assist to DC7, or not be supported on some way, or >> similar. > > There is no Bosnia Embassy or Consulate in Brazil, it is an > official information. But I checked some websites and almost all of them > pointed out that the VISA is required but it is given on the time of your > arrival at the airport, this information is not official (I get it from > tourist websites and personal blogs after some google and other > related-web search). > > AFAIK, it is not much different from some coutries in Europe, > where a VISA is not required if you are going to stay less than 90 > days, but you will be checked at arrival time. > > Maybe, Bosnian local team and Edinburgh local team could check > with their foreign affairs how we could deal with that. Maybe for a > conference we can manage to get the visas, just my two cents. > > > Kind regards, > > - -- > Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) > "Debian. Freedom to code. Code to freedom!" > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Debian - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFElLA6CjAO0JDlykYRAkfYAKCvGrlbgg6K2wXwEV/Q0N5DZSuDaQCfVYkz > AhQqKiSjWwz1J94brUvrl8E= > =zp6X > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] On Bosnian entry visas for South and Central Americas EXCLUDING Argentinians!
His version could be genuine, need to recheck on this. David, if you have an idea how this issuance process works, share it with us please. Safir On Sunday 18 June 2006 21:06, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Safir Secerovic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060618 11:22]: > > I was told by Bosnian Foreign Office that we could ask from them to issue > > you a visa in one of the European coutries, say in Rome, Italy or > > somewhere convenient for you, on your way to here, and they apparently > > would issue you a visa on the fly, assuming that you do not need a > > transit or entry visa for you entry point in Europe I guess. So we can > > work this out for Mexicans, Venezuelans, Brazilians and so on. We just > > need to figure out the best location in EU where you guys could get you > > Bosnian visas on the fly. Since we would send Letters of Invitation > > directly to our Foreign Office for each of you, stating that you should > > be issued a visa in the country of our choice. OK? Happy? :) > > this differs from what david found out. To me his version sounds > better, as i dont understand how the "issuing a visa on the fly" > from an airport between two flights. -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Bosnian visas for countries which do not have Bosnian diplomatic missions in them - RESOLVED!
Good day all! I have been in conctacts today with Bosnian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (http://mvp.gov.ba) and got the following informations: For citizens of countries which do not have bosnian diplomatic missions in them we could file an official request in the name of the Bosnian LUG and ask for preapproval of their visas and issuance of their visa at the entry point/Sarajevo intl. airport. So I guess this solves our problem, no body who is preapproved would be rejected an Bosnian entry visa at the Sarajevo airport. And also there is no reason why someone would be rejected. We would offcourse need to know basic personal data required for visa issuance which would be detailed to us by our foreign ministy upon approval of our request that our foreign ministry approves us entry point visa issuance for DebConf7 conference participants. So, all in all, good news for Bosnian bid! Take care, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: EUMM_SAR[1] - Hotel Venue presentation
Here you can see in english a presentation of one of our possbile location for DebConf7 in Sarajevo. This hotel costs about 33 euros per person per day (one and two bed rooms) all inclusive with hacklabs and auditorium and some conferencing equipment gratis (free of charge)! Andreas (stockholm), this would include the "winter" option as well for Sarajevo :) Cheers, Safir -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: EUMM_SAR[1] Date: Saturday 24 June 2006 10:14 From: "marketing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is our great pleasure to inform You that the composition of HBR D "Hotels Ilidza" have been moved again at the Cure -Hotel TERME Ilidza. Hotel "Terme" is located in wonderful natural ambience near the National Park- Vrelo Bosne (Spring of Bosnia). To Vrelo Bosne you can go trough the 3 km long alley of the plan tree and wild chestnut. We are 20 min far from center of Sarajevo and 5 minutes far from the International Airport Sarajevo.Who likes mountaineering and winter sports, it can organize picnics to the Olympic mountains Igman and Bjelasnica - 20 min far from the hotel. Our objects are ideal for any kind of group staying, turists, bussinesmens, seminars, symposiums and another manifestations. Hotel has 390 beds in single/double/triple rooms, rooms with twins bed , appartments, all design in very modern and comfortable style. Hotel posses congress-hall, with modern equipment - 300 seats, festive living room-300 seats, restaurant - 390 seats (a la cart), two aperitif bars and own parking place with security. Health service that belongs to Hotel "TERME" in Ilidza is one of the oldest spa in BiH. Completely renovated by modern equipment Spa Ilidza began with its function and it is ready to accomodate and to take care with its various kind of services about great number of customers. Water is enriched with minerals and its temperature is 57''C. It is used for bath in bathtubs, pools, hydroterapy and it can be used for drinking , Spa-bathing, as inhaler, and for under - water shower and massage. After long and destructive war our objects were in general rebuilded and renewed. Modern equipment was built in for physical medicine, rehabilitaion and recreation. Hotel "TERME" disposes with the following contents: 1. HYDRO-THERAPY: with ten most modern bathtubs, that are compatible for underwater massage, pearl massage, pearl spas and classic medical spa. 2. TWO THERAPEUTIC-RECREATIVE SWIMMING POOLS-equiped for selfmassage of particular parts of body with any other equipment for swimming. 3. TRIM CABINET with 29 appliances for fitness and group exercises. 4. SECTION FOR PHYSICAL THERAPY contains equipment for: Physical therapy programm, electro therapy, sonotherapy, china therapy, manuel massage, sauna, solarium, etc. 5. WELLNESS PROGRAMM includes: solarium, sauna, fitness, pools, steamy bathroom. You may use manuel massage and vibro massage as well as special pearl spa. Four (4) Conference halls with a different capacity are very well equiped (the flip-charts, 2 over -head projectors, TV, Video set, microphones etc). for workshops, seminars, trainings and meetings. According to your requirements we will provide and organize a simultanious translations, faxing, copy and e-mailing of your neccessary documents/working material as well as to offer you possibility to use the Internet connection (deal up will be possible also from our rooms soon). Indication for treatment: Joint diseases, gout and different muscle diseases, Preoperation and postoperation conditions on locomotor apparatus, All kind of reuma diseases, CNS diseases Gynecology diseases (sterility, etc.) Metabolism diseases, Skin diseases, "Prevention" of becoming old, Managersyndrom. All the above mentioned contains, as well as all hotel services, You can have at ones disposal, and in respect of your decision to be here among of many visitors and guests of our Spa in Cure -Hotel "TERME Ilidza we wish to You a worm welcome,pleasant and a comfort accomodation with a lot of pleasure moments followed by healthy cure. We would kindly like to inform you that whenever you have a need or any kind of queries as well as for any kind of hotel services our professional hotel's staff will be on your disposel. It would be very much appreciate receiving from your office a request for an offer. Grateful in advance for your kind future cooperation. Welcome! Marketing coordinator Sanja Stanojevic --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... image001.gif Description: GIF image image002.gif Description: GIF image ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Visit to Bosnia - plan draft
So here is the draft :) Wednesday - 14:05 hours; arriving at SJJ - Sarajevo airport 14:05 - 16:05: a quick tour of Sarajevo 16:05: going to Visoko, to Safir's place, staying at Visoko Thursday - 09:00 hours: Meeting at Skenderija square in Sarajevo with Bosnian local team 10:00; Visiting possible DebConf7 venues at Ilidza (Hotel) and Nedzarici (Dorm and Cultural Centre) 15:00; Sarajevo Sightseeing 17:00; Attending local Sarajevo/Bosnian LUG meeting To DebConf7 intl orga team, please comment if you have any suggestions. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Visit to Bosnia - plan draft UPDATED!
So, here is an update of schedule for DebCon7 orga team visit: Wednesday: 14:00 Sarajevo Airport SJJ DC orga team pickup 15:00 Visoko DC team accomodation 16:00 Visoko welcome party, Bosnian delicacies tasting Thursday: 07:00 Leaving for Sarajevo from Visoko Bus Station 09:00 gathering at the Skenderija plateau (Sarajevo Centre) 11:00 Visit to hotel "Terme", Ilidža (33€/person/day, all inclusive) 13:00 Visit to "Nedzarici" Student Dormitory 19€/person/day w/o hacklabs/auditorium 14:00 Visit to Islamic Cultural Centre "King Fahd" Auditorium and other facilites 16:00 Sarajevo sighseeing, introduction to places of interest etc. 20:00 Return to Visoko Friday: 09:00 Preparations for DC orga team departure 12:00 Arrival at SJJ Sarajevo Internation Airport 13:00 DC orga team departing for Edinburg - UK P.S. Visoko is a small town near Sarajevo and home to sapphire :) Overnights, DC team will stay at sapphire's home, where there should be fresh mattrasses, network conectivity and showers :). Not a hotel, but hey, it is free :) -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Visit to Bosnia - plan draft Date: Monday 26 June 2006 21:30 From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] So here is the draft :) Wednesday - 14:05 hours; arriving at SJJ - Sarajevo airport 14:05 - 16:05: a quick tour of Sarajevo 16:05: going to Visoko, to Safir's place, staying at Visoko Thursday - 09:00 hours: Meeting at Skenderija square in Sarajevo with Bosnian local team 10:00; Visiting possible DebConf7 venues at Ilidza (Hotel) and Nedzarici (Dorm and Cultural Centre) 15:00; Sarajevo Sightseeing 17:00; Attending local Sarajevo/Bosnian LUG meeting To DebConf7 intl orga team, please comment if you have any suggestions. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: Visit to Bosnia - plan draft UPDATED!
On Tuesday 27 June 2006 13:01, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > * Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060627 10:55]: > > So, here is an update of schedule for DebCon7 orga team visit: > > > > Thursday: > > 09:00 gathering at the Skenderija plateau (Sarajevo Centre) > > The first draft had this formulated a bit different: > > Thursday -09:00 hours: Meeting at Skenderija square in Sarajevo with > > Bosnian local team Offcourse it is the local team / intl team meeting :) > > Allthough it's still a gathering, I ask just to be sure: Will we meet > the local team? > > > P.S. Visoko is a small town near Sarajevo and home to sapphire :) > > Overnights, DC team will stay at sapphire's home, where there should be > > fresh mattrasses, network conectivity and showers :). Not a hotel, but > > hey, it is free :) > > Thanks very much; do we need to bring anything special? Towels? > Sleeping bags? A present for your mom? ;) You could bring some towels, sleeping bags only if you want to, I will provide sheets not blankets since it is very hot. Present for my mom, well that would be very nice! > > > Yours sincerely, > Alexander Enjoy, sapphire -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bosnian visas for countries which do not have Bosnian diplomatic missions in them - RESOLVED!
I do not think so... > Is being preapproved for visa good enough to get an airport transit visa? > > Apparently the list of countries whose citizens are required to have > transit visa[1] is quite short, so this isn't a major problem. > > Cheers, > Riku > > [1] Atleast for schengen region, which I believe most attendees would be > connecting via. > http://www.mediavisa.net/schengen-visa-mandatory.html#vtaall -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Bosnian visas for countries which do not have Bosnian diplomatic missions in them - RESOLVED!
We need to check this one out... On Tuesday 27 June 2006 16:15, Safir Secerovic wrote: > I do not think so... > > > Is being preapproved for visa good enough to get an airport transit visa? > > > > Apparently the list of countries whose citizens are required to have > > transit visa[1] is quite short, so this isn't a major problem. > > > > Cheers, > > Riku > > > > [1] Atleast for schengen region, which I believe most attendees would be > > connecting via. > > http://www.mediavisa.net/schengen-visa-mandatory.html#vtaall -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] An idea about the dormitory in Sarajevo...
I just got this idea, in case we opt for Sarajevo/Bosnia and for the student option instead of hotel option: If, if and if we get chosen to host, we could ask for more benefits/lower prices or something and let them keep our networking after the conference for future use (access points, cables and such stuff), should we get these parts from local sponsors without paying. Stochkolm, Tolimar, Gannef, Gunnar, others - what do you think about this? Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] An idea about the dormitory in Sarajevo...
Well, my idea was based on previous experiences working with Bosnian institutions. These people are used to donations and sponsorships, and our work would be like, donation for donation or I do you some good - "you take care of me better thing" :) Sincerely, Safir On Saturday 01 July 2006 02:54, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > Emir Beganovi?? dijo [Fri, Jun 30, 2006 at 10:47:33PM +0200]: > > > If possible, yes, it would be a good thing. Now, how was it in Mexico? > > > We could have tried to bargain for it, but the installation was (of > > > course) done with lots of hurries, over two days. Most of the > > > networking equipment (all our big switches and APs) were lent, not > > > given, to us by sponsors. We ended up with over 1.5km of laid UTP > > > cable, yes, but the cable was not professionally laid, and it would > > > not be of much use for the venue's wiring needs. > > > > > > But if you can arrange for such deals, by all means, do so! ;-) > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > I really like this idea, that would be a very good thing. I understand > > the issues you had in Mexico (but there were only few active people and > > lots of them who didn't do almost anything), but you were here in > > Sarajevo, you have seen how much of us is willing to help to organize > > debconf7 and I think that you shouldn't think about Sarajevo like it's > > Mexico. > > Well, this didn't happen because we were too few people or anything > like that - this happened because local sponsors are more willing to > lend infrastructure than to give it away. Of course, we also didn't > _ask_ for this kind of sponsorship. As I said: I don't hold much hope > of this being the preferred way out, but if it happens, much better :) > > Again, think of this scenario. And try to do it with a Latin-American > perspective ;-) Tax declarations, a possible audit or similar things > are important factors. You have to show that you _paid_ for the > equipment you have there (otherwise, where did it come from?). You > have to show the invoice. An invoice cannot just be handed over from > the sponsor to the hotel, as the sponsor needs it to prove _his_ > expenses. > > If it were to happen here, I'd rule it out almost right away :) > > Greetings! -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Will we have an IRC meeting on July the 5th?
To whom it may concern. The topic on #debconf-team says the decision date, but says nothing about the time and if we will have ameeting or what? Please clarify... Sincerely, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Some photos from the DebConf7 delegation's visit to Sarajevo...
Hi, here you can find some photos I made from DebConf7 delegation's team visit to Sarajevo/Bosnian LUG. The rest of the crew shot a lot of their own photos (Tolimar, Gannef, Moray) so probably those will follow shortly. In the mean time: http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/debposjeta/ Enjoy, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian team lead?
Hi Andreas, hope you had a good time both in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Scotland. Offcourse, I name these people: Emir Beganovic Amar Prasovic Amila Akagic Vedran Ljubovic Ernedin Zajko and some more people who I expect to join should we get chosen. debian/rules sapphire On Monday 03 July 2006 18:38, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > Hi Safir! > > in edinburgh we asked who would be capable of taking over the > local lead in case moray ran off with his CD collection [1]. > > Moray pointed out neil and kevin as possible capable and > motivated replacements (perhaps more? i only wrote down > these at that point). > > Who in Sarajevo could take over? (or better yet, would work as > your equal from day one?) > > /andreas > > [1] just to name a desasterous personal fate that not includes > being run over by a bus... -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Fwd: Re: [diskusija] Fwd: [Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian team lead?
So, there we have it, another alternation for myself just arrived :) hocu i ja :-) in English means count me too :-) So, Alma Aganovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] picture: http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/linuxzasve05/dsc02322.jpg.html (Alma is the lady on the right) Regards, Safir -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Re: [diskusija] Fwd: [Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian team lead? Date: Monday 03 July 2006 20:39 From: Alma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] hocu i ja :-) On 7/3/06, Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > -- Forwarded Message -- > > Subject: [Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian team lead? > Date: Monday 03 July 2006 18:52 > From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > > Hi Andreas, > > hope you had a good time both in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Scotland. > Offcourse, I name these people: > > Emir Beganovic > Amar Prasovic > Amila Akagic > Vedran Ljubovic > Ernedin Zajko > and some more people who I expect to join should we get chosen. > > debian/rules > sapphire > > On Monday 03 July 2006 18:38, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > Hi Safir! > > > > in edinburgh we asked who would be capable of taking over the > > local lead in case moray ran off with his CD collection [1]. > > > > Moray pointed out neil and kevin as possible capable and > > motivated replacements (perhaps more? i only wrote down > > these at that point). > > > > Who in Sarajevo could take over? (or better yet, would work as > > your equal from day one?) > > > > /andreas > > > > [1] just to name a desasterous personal fate that not includes > > being run over by a bus... > > -- > Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > --- > > -- > Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... > ___ > diskusija mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://linux.org.ba/mailman/listinfo/diskusija > ___ > This e-mail contains proprietary information some or all of which may be > legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only. If an addressing > or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author > by replying to this e-mail. > If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, > distribute, copy, or print this e-mail. -- Alma --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: Fwd: Re: [diskusija] Fwd: [Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian team lead?
Hola Marcela and others, > https://gallery.debconf.org/jjsjjvenue/dscn2993 is that type of clothes > needed for women on any situation? maybe on religious places...or sth like > that NO, they have stressed this to us, they are foremost a Cultural Centre and would NOT require women to be dressed up like that, but they will probaby require for men and women to not to very something to short or to tight in their premises. Here they are, they are not the whole team by far, just my backups, the team is listed on the DebConf/Sarajevo wiki page :) http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/mediji/Linux+udruzenje+02.JPG.html (right to left Vedran, Amila and Adis) http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/sajam05/dsc02016.jpg.html (Amar, the left bald guy :)) http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/debposjeta/IMG_1385.JPG.html (Emir and Alen) http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/debposjeta/IMG_1396.JPG.html (Ernedin) Happy ASCII mi amiga? Hope all is well. On Tuesday 04 July 2006 03:22, Marcela Tiznado wrote: > And why we just get picture of her? and not of the rest of the team? :) > > https://gallery.debconf.org/jjsjjvenue/dscn2993 is that type of clothes > needed for women on any situation? maybe on religious places...or sth like > that > > Regards, > ASCIIGirl > > Safir Secerovic wrote: > > So, there we have it, > > another alternation for myself just arrived :) > > > > hocu i ja :-) > > in English means > > count me too :-) > > > > So, > > Alma Aganovic [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > picture: > > http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/linuxzasve05/dsc02322.jpg.html (Alma > > is the lady on the right) > > > > Regards, > > Safir > > > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > > > Subject: Re: [diskusija] Fwd: [Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian > > team lead? > > Date: Monday 03 July 2006 20:39 > > From: Alma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > hocu i ja :-) > > > > On 7/3/06, Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>-- Forwarded Message -- > >> > >>Subject: [Debconf-team] Re: redundancy in bosnian team lead? > >>Date: Monday 03 July 2006 18:52 > >>From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > >> > >>Hi Andreas, > >> > >>hope you had a good time both in Bosnia and Herzegovina and Scotland. > >>Offcourse, I name these people: > >> > >>Emir Beganovic > >>Amar Prasovic > >>Amila Akagic > >>Vedran Ljubovic > >>Ernedin Zajko > >>and some more people who I expect to join should we get chosen. > >> > >>debian/rules > >>sapphire > >> > >>On Monday 03 July 2006 18:38, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > >>>Hi Safir! > >>> > >>>in edinburgh we asked who would be capable of taking over the > >>>local lead in case moray ran off with his CD collection [1]. > >>> > >>>Moray pointed out neil and kevin as possible capable and > >>>motivated replacements (perhaps more? i only wrote down > >>>these at that point). > >>> > >>>Who in Sarajevo could take over? (or better yet, would work as > >>>your equal from day one?) > >>> > >>>/andreas > >>> > >>>[1] just to name a desasterous personal fate that not includes > >>>being run over by a bus... > >> > >>-- > >>Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... > >>___ > >>Debconf-team mailing list > >>Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > >>http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > >> > >>--- > >> > >>-- > >>Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... > >>___ > >>diskusija mailing list > >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >>http://linux.org.ba/mailman/listinfo/diskusija > >>___ > >>This e-mail contains proprietary information some or all of which may be > >>legally privileged. It is for the intended recipient only. If an > >> addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please > >> notify the author by replying to this e-mail. > >>If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, > >>distribute, copy, or print this e-mail. > > > > -- > > Alma > > > > --- > > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Why do we not have more photos uploaded from Sarajevo venues on DebConf galleries?
Delga team, please upload :) I still do not have commit access to gallery. Here are a few of mine: http://howto.linux.org.ba/galerija/v/debposjeta/ Enjoy, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo - answers
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 09:38, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > I will keep the file in svn updated. you can read it on the web here: > http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/debconf-data/dc7/venues/?rev=0&sc=0 > > hot > cross culture > bullet and granate holes in streets and houses > > Minarets, mosks, women rights, balkans > > Student dormitory > = > capacity 900 beds > 2 medium rooms a 200ppl (packed) > 150 ppl restaurant > 100 ppl cafe area > 19€/day/person > 2 or 3 bed rooms > light weelchair enabled > internet and network installable as we wish > > small modern hotel accross the street > 24 beds > 12 rooms > > mosk, cultural center > 280 ppl auditorium > 5 * 32ppl lecture rooms > 100ppl kitchen, cantina (negotiable?) > possibly hacklabs > limited opening hours: Mo-Fr 8:00-16:30 (negotiable?) > free of charge > > => 300 fully sponsored people for less then 5€ > > questions > - other, nearby hotel for other corporate guests? still checking if their is one within the area. There is one, Hotel "Izmit", just to minutes away by car, that is about 1 kilometers from the Cultural Centre. > - how reliable is the cultural center? It is reliable in sense that they are serious about having us use the place and wanting to have some positive press about themselves. Other seriousness depends on our corespondence and requests. > - can we have hacklabs and lunch in the center? We would have to negotiate this. Perphaps even pay for food or something. > - can we NOT have passport checks at the center? Offcourse we can, after all nobody from the Centre mentioned that, but we could probably use DebConf7 ID cards. > - can the cultural center (aka saudi arabia) sponsor flights from > other arabic/islamic countries? Hm, I am not sure, but, from experience, if they want to bring some of the Saudi hackers, they would pay them should we be on tight budget. > - will it be actually work out with the internet connections and > the network infrastructure? We need to plan this, in the Dormitory, we have freedom to plan and install what we need, just need creativity/volunteers. We would also have enough time to prepare and install networking. In the Cultural Centre, we could maybe use some of the existing networking instalations, our have our own APs installed. > - very nice payment terms (10|90) Yes, especially for the dormitory. In their case they ask us to pay in advance some 30% a month before the conference starts and the rest during the conference. In case of Hotel "Terme" (2nd option) they require us to start paying a couple of months in advance, and like 3 or 4 times equal sum. Regards, Safir > > Hotel Terme > === > capacity 400ppl > 4+ different sized meeting rooms for bofs and small talks > 1 bigger lecture room for 200+ ppl > 33€/person/day > high standard, no extra hotel needed > rooms with 1 or 2 beds (no 3???) > fully wheelchair accessible > outside park > payment terms like (30-30-40) > > => 300 fully sponsored ppl for 90k€, which is too much > > everything in one place > tighly integrated > > questions: > - will wired infrastructure be installed by then? > - how to restructure the pricing model in order to pay the hotel? > > > Local team > 15ppl > differnet backgrounds (pupils, students, professionals, men+women) > organizing experience > heterogenous > aparently dedicated > sincere, authentic impression > motivated by > - desire to help bosnia catch on to free software (which adoption > was hindered by the war) > - desire to further the youth > - desire to collect experience for career > - help debian > > > Sarajevo > > Sarajevo is not a very touristic place and still is marked by the > war. Everyone we would interact with participated in > the war actively or passively and perhaps lost friends or family > members. Many house fronts have bullet and some even granade > impacts. Still some troups from the EU are in the country. > > Prices are really low. food and drinks are cheap by "normal" > standards. People are friendly and helpfull, and many in Sarajevo > seem to speak enough english to communicate. > > Temperatures are higher then i am used to: 32°C on the first day. > One tries to avoid moving too much and stays in the shade. > Traveling in the tram with many other people is not very > compfortable. But mornings and evenings are very nice and I was > very surprised to not be bitten by any mosquitos. > > Currently the only way from and to the small and quite Airport is > by taxi. It is possible that public transport will be available > by next year. > > Cross-Culture > - > You see lots of minarets and mosks and some churches. Many women > wear headcovers, aparenly even if they are not muslim themselfs. > The most striking experience was when we were hosted and lead > around at the arabic culture center by a lady wearing a full > length garment and headcover who spoke excellent english, > obviously smart and intelligent and who treated us polite but > strangly f
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo
> Hotel Terme > === > capacity 400ppl > 4+ different sized meeting rooms for bofs and small talks > 1 bigger lecture room for 200+ ppl > 33€/person/day > high standard, no extra hotel needed > rooms with 1 or 2 beds (no 3???) rooms with 1, 2 and 3 beds! :) so yes 3 Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Women wearing headcovers...
Stockholm quote: "You see lots of minarets and mosks and some churches. Many women wear headcovers, aparenly even if they are not muslim themselfs." This is not true, perhaps you have seen those christian nouns at the airport of something. I assure you it is just not true. Great majority of women are not covered, maybe only 10%. This is just to correct your answer. Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Airline/Train/Road connections to Bosnia
Hm, by checking again, I have found out that depends where you are flying from you may get some good prices to Bosnia. Danmark, Sweden, maybe UK - Snowflake Scandinavian Airlines Spain - Austrian Airlines, Malev Germany - Lufthansa Hungary, Finland, U.K, USA, Japan, Canada and many other european destinations - Malev Russia, Jat Airlines Cheap train connections include the entire european railways, trains coming from E.U. to Ljubljana (Slovenia) from Austria then to Zagreb and finaly to Sarajevo. Also from Budapest (Hungary) to Sarajevo directly every day. One cheap solution from U.K. is to take a flight with, say, EasyJet to Budapest and then by train to Sarajevo, I am sure it would be around 200 euros return ticket (plane+train) solution. Offcourse, for those who want and healty enough to travel. From Greece there is also a train option from Thesaloniki to Belgrade and then to Sarajevo, quite cheap. We have many other good prices and low fare airlines, we would just need to investigate more and put it on the wiki. Road connections include highways from Croatia and Serbia, neighbouring countries, they are well maintained. Also, both venues have parking lots for those who would come by cars, those lots would not be charged for DebConf7 participants. Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo - answers
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 14:50, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > Hi! > > * Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060704 10:31]: > > > - can we NOT have passport checks at the center? > > > > Offcourse we can, after all nobody from the Centre mentioned that, but we > > could probably use DebConf7 ID cards. > > Don't take me wrong with this; but I found it confussing, how you use > the terms like "Of course" during our stay. For example you were quite > sure (and even sweared IIRC), that there won't be any Hotels near the > student dormitory, while we found one right on our way to the culture > center. Then you sweared they would be fit for disabled people, and we > wouldn't need to check them, because all newer buildings are built that > way, while it doesn't look fit for disabled people so far. > The BP Hotel (by the gas station, small one) has been built just recently and I have not taken it into account. It is my bad. > So I would ask you one thing: If you say "of course", does it mean, > "the culture center has already told me about it", or does it mean "I'm > very sure we can arrange it"? We are very sure we can arrange it. > > If it's the first one, please forget about this mail, I owe you a bear, > but would be interested in details about that: Would they still need > to see passport on the first day? Or a complete name list of our > attendees? Or would they just look at our name badges, at let people > pass, if they have one? > We would not be using that entrance at all, but we would need to have name tags ID while on Cultural Centre premises so that they know they have conference participants inside. > If it's the second one, than I would beg you to not say such things, If > you don't know them for sure, since we need to trust on you and the > iformation we get from you. > > > Sorry and thanks, whatever fits better. > Alexander No need for that, I have not sworn on anything, it was just my assumption based on previous knowledge of the place. Since those were not correct, I will not make anymore, nobody's perfect. Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 15:03, Otavio Salvador wrote: > Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > The top rank for me is the Hotel Terme in Sarajevo at the moment. I > > think it will host the most complete DebConf of all the venues, as you > > have everything together in one place, just leave your room and > > basically you are already at the talk rooms/restaurant. It is also used > > to conferences, so the reception can take a lot of work from us (way > > more than those in Mexico created), and its also full accessible for > > disabled persons. Sarajevo City Center is also not that far away, the > > tram station is a 5 minutes walk away, then add around 20 minutes for > > the tram. > > Has the tram access to disabled people? I hadn't problems on Castellon > when I went to CDD Devcamp but since I doesn't know the place is good > to check. Trams do not have access for people with disabilites. Also, Hotel has it own buses we can manage to use, I am sure they have built in accessibity support since they are a medical institution treating people with disabilities. We need to check with Sarajevo Taxi, chances are great there are taxi's with accessibility support. Cheers, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Airline/Train/Road connections to Bosnia
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 16:01, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10705 March 1977, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Germany - Lufthansa > > Forget Lufthansa as cheap, it is anything but cheap. There are at least four other connections with Germany: Austrian Airlines, Malev, Snowflake, but Lufthansa is offering some really cheap flights this summer, and we have a direct connection to Munich this year for 99€ or something like that. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo - answers
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 16:56, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Alexander Schmehl ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060704 14:51]: > > I owe you a bear, > > since safir might not drink beer it was very kind to offer a bear > instead. This is a matter of personal preference :) for example, we say, we go out for a coffee and someone might have something else, say a beer :) > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team Cheers, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo - answers
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 17:51, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060704 16:56]: > > > I owe you a bear, > > > > since safir might not drink beer it was very kind to offer a bear > > instead. > > Ups, sorry ;) > > You may choose between: > [ ] Erdbaeren > [ ] Heidelbaeren > [ ] Johannisbaeren > [ ] Stachelbaeren > > > Sorry, all other bears are currently out. > > > Yours sincerely, > Alexander I choose Heidelbaeren :) sapphire -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo - answers
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 18:35, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060704 18:19]: > > I choose Heidelbaeren :) > > Then DebConf 7 must be in Bosnia, because import regulations to the > United Kingdom doesn't allow me to bring any fruits ;) > > > Yours sincerely, > Alexander We will see about that too :) Respect, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] People asking for photos please look at debconf's gallery...
We have uploaded lots of photos from both locations so you can thoroughly look. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] alternative ways of funding debconf
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 20:32, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > way. Actually in sarajevo we would have the possibility to hold > both options (dorm AND hotel) open without loosing either one and > could reconsider the money situation later when we come closer to > the conference. If people by then made serious "donations" we > could go for the hotel, otherwise we still have the dorm which we > can swing on our own (together with our sponsors). > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team This is true up to a certain point in time, I mean, these venues cannot wait for us to choose one of them forever. We would need to make our choice some months in advance and sign precontracts which obliges them and us to respect what we argee upon. Otherwise, in case of a Hotel and Dorm, they could not guarantee us exat dates for the conference, since they have other guests/conferences esspecially during summer. So we would have to make our choice reasonably in advance. Should we get chosen to host, we can check with the venue managers when would be the last date for us to sign precontracts and make our decision on the venue. Although, this is not practical in my opinion, and it makes the whole thing more ambiguos and adds to uncertainty for Hotel/Dormitory/Cultural Centre people and for the local team. I am all for making choices within next one or two months, so we can plan normaly in advance and have some legal papers to work with. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] alternative ways of funding debconf
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 21:23, Safir Secerovic wrote: > On Tuesday 04 July 2006 20:32, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > > way. Actually in sarajevo we would have the possibility to hold > > both options (dorm AND hotel) open without loosing either one and > > could reconsider the money situation later when we come closer to > > the conference. If people by then made serious "donations" we > > could go for the hotel, otherwise we still have the dorm which we > > can swing on our own (together with our sponsors). > > ___ > > Debconf-team mailing list > > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > This is true up to a certain point in time, I mean, these venues cannot > wait for us to choose one of them forever. We would need to make our choice > some months in advance and sign precontracts which obliges them and us to > respect what we argee upon. Otherwise, in case of a Hotel and Dorm, they > could not guarantee us exat dates for the conference, since they have other > guests/conferences esspecially during summer. > So we would have to make our choice reasonably in advance. > Should we get chosen to host, we can check with the venue managers when > would be the last date for us to sign precontracts and make our decision on > the venue. Although, this is not practical in my opinion, and it makes the > whole thing more ambiguos and adds to uncertainty for > Hotel/Dormitory/Cultural Centre people and for the local team. > I am all for making choices within next one or two months, so we can plan > normaly in advance and have some legal papers to work with. > > Safir I am saying that we could not cancel a precontract with one option and go for another just like that. Those are bussiness people and they have legal background, we (local team) could end in court should we disregard precontracts. We need to opt for one of these options soon. We cannot wait, say, until spring next year and have all these fixed dates and prices for both venues. I mean we could wait even until may next year to choose, but no one can guarantee us exact dates we opt for now and same prices that we have now. Dates and prices may vary, just like those when booking flights. But when we have a precontract, some months in advance, then it legally obliges people to respect it. So we can start making spreadsheet and calculations. About some radical changes, I would not really like this to happen. Not now at least. We need all the help from Orga Team we can get and also some help from previous DebConf local team people. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] alternative ways of funding debconf
On Tuesday 04 July 2006 21:34, Andreas Schuldei wrote: > * Safir Secerovic ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060704 21:24]: > > This is true up to a certain point in time, I mean, these venues cannot > > wait for us to choose one of them forever. We would need to make our > > choice some months in advance and sign precontracts which obliges them > > and us to respect what we argee upon. > > Please try to not think black and white. i am fully aware of the > whole contact thing and committing. But if we have a choice we > would be silly not to use it. we could very well tell both venues > that the conf will be in sarajevo *and* that there is an other > possible option for us. it will just help them to offer us a > better package and give us the possibility to consider the > options more carefully. making a decision before we have to does > not really help us anything, and they have those timeframes for a > good reason: at that time they need/can to make alternative > plans and still not loose money if they dont pick us. And even IF > they take an other event at a given time we still can move a week > back or forth without any disadvantage to us or to them. > > It is not like we should/could wait untill may or june... i was > thining more of beginning of the year 2007. I cannot agree with you more :) -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Sarajevo report
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 10:54, Alexander Schmehl wrote: >... > ... which was our idea and the local team didn't liked to ask them about > that. >... Well, we, the local team said that we are not planning to use the kitchen for hacklab and as kitchen at once. But since we got this resolved like we would use those 4 classrooms for hacklabs and kitchen as kitchen, we are planning to ask about this one too :) Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Re: A question regarding the promotianal DVD of Hotel Terme...
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:26, sanja stanojevic wrote: > Good afternoon Mr. Secerovic, > > According to your suggestion I would like to inform you that in very near > future we will be users of the AMADEUS on-line reservation system and a > member of the AMADEUS BH Customer Partnership by which all our new video > records will be available for all interested visitors. At present I am > working on some changes on our web site where also a new info and records > will be for future reviewing. Please be inform and feel free to use > available DVD record for informing members of the LINUX Association but be > aware that it contains old version of our buildings as well as few other > information of hotel services which are improved and expanded. We wish you > all the best in organizing a conference as well as your future work. > > In a meantime please do not hesitate to contact me for any further > questions or more information. > > Sincerely, > > Sanja Stanojevic-Marketing > > > Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello mrs Stanojevic, > > I just want to check with you if it is alright with you that we make > available to the rest of the Orga Team and other potential participants and > visitors the promotinal movie on the DVDs you gave us when we (DebConf7 > Orga Team) were there by putting it on our website www.debconf.org or such? > Thank you for your understanding, > > Safir Secerovic > DebConf Orga Team Member > DebConf7 Local Orga Team > Linux Users Group of Bosnia and Herzegovina -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] travel costs to the venues [was: Sarajevo report]
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:22, Jesus Climent wrote: ... > > Which will not be the case for the dorm+cultural center, since we have to > have the conference there during the student holidays, which is summer, > both the hottest time of the year (35C and high humidity) and the most > expensive travel-wise. It is not that hot actually, more like 32C average . Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:58, Holger Levsen wrote: > > Have someone checked if there's handicapped capable taxi? > > Safir (or anybody from the local team), could you please do so? I have checked, there are special private taxis that are available on the phone for these people. They would cost extra. > > How is the way to go to culture center? Plain? Easy for a weelchair > > user? > > I asked myself this too. What's your answer? It is easy if there is someone to push the wheelchair or if there is equipped wheelchair with an electrical engine. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Sarajevo report
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 11:58, Holger Levsen wrote: > Would it be possible to have a fast local network link between the dorms > and the auditorium? Is there a direct line of sight? Yes, from the roofs of both dormitory and centre you can see each. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] report sarajevo
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 14:50, Otavio Salvador wrote: > IIRC you didn't check if they are really handicapped capable or only > people that are "used" to deal with disabed people. AFAIK, those are people "used" to deal with disabled people. > >> > How is the way to go to culture center? Plain? Easy for a weelchair > >> > user? > >> > >> I asked myself this too. What's your answer? > > > > It is easy if there is someone to push the wheelchair or if there is > > equipped wheelchair with an electrical engine. > > The road is plain? If not? Can you take a pic? There is a wide sidewalk along the road and very plain. It is mildly steep at the begining, so it would require stronger arms to push your way up, or someone to assist you or something. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Request: Accessibility report
On Wednesday 05 July 2006 23:38, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > On 10706 March 1977, Otavio Salvador wrote: > > I would ask to both teams to produce a report covering accessibility > > aspects from all proposed venues. That report must cover all possible > > point, inclusing: > > Short answer: > > Sarajevo: > Dormitory is nothing for you. Small doors, unusable bathrooms > for you. You would need a hotel which is a bit away (the BP > nearby is not ready). There are lifts and ramps in it, but the > big one fit for a weelchair wasnt working when we visited them. Dormitory is out of the question as well, it was together with the cultural centre. Hotel is fully build/meant for people with disabilites, you have lifts and instead of steps you have flat stairs. 100% support. Please see http://gallery.debconf.org Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: About info point (was: Re: [Debconf-team] Sarajevo report)
On Thursday 06 July 2006 00:45, Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) wrote: > On 07/05/2006 10:27 AM, Andreas Barth wrote: > > * Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060705 04:02]: > >>Althought I understand that the hotel frontdesk would help > >>the Orga Team, a couple of things became pretty clear during the > >>DebConf6 while we were at the Info Desk: > >> > >>1) The Info Desk is needed, the hotel's front desk could help us > >> (and of course they can help us a *lot*), but we still need to > >> deal with more specific information (things that we borrow, > >> doubts about the conference detail, schedules). > >> > >>2) We should ask for passport identification to give the bags and > >> badges (if not the password, some kind of government document). > >> This point has a strong relation with (1), I understand that > >> hotel can relief us from deal with the rooms and related things > >> (which would be great and marga will love it) but I think that > >> we should still take care of bags, proceedings and general DC > >> information. > > > > If the hotel is really clever about, we could perhaps integrate the info > > point with the reception, i.e. they have to check the IDs, and the info > > desk is so near that any trouble can directly handed over? > > Sure, we just need to check if they fit us in the Front Desk > (I mean, we have lots of bags and also the notebooks, maybe it is > going to be a litle bit small for the hotel crew and DebConf crew), > if it is not possible to host everybody in the same room, maybe in > a very close place. It has a great chance to work very well. > > The main point is to state that we still need the Info > Point, no matter we are at the hotel or not, of course we can > remove lots of things from our shoulders if we have smart hotel (or > wherever we are) front desk, but we still need to check for a place > to build the info point. :) > > Kind regards, Info point is 100% doable, I have asked the hotel manager today that in our phone corespondence over the thing we would get for free of charge. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Request: Accessibility report
On Thursday 06 July 2006 01:05, Jesus Climent wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 12:32:49AM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > > Sarajevo: > > > Dormitory is nothing for you. Small doors, unusable bathrooms > > > for you. You would need a hotel which is a bit away (the BP > > > nearby is not ready). There are lifts and ramps in it, but > > > the big one fit for a weelchair wasnt working when we visited them. > > > > Dormitory is out of the question as well, it was together with the > > cultural centre. > > No. > > Andreas specifically asked you to check the rooms on the dorm so that he > can see/decide if the dorm can be used as the only area to have the whole > debconf. > > A foolish idea, if you ask me, but hey... Dorm is out of the question, we now what stockholm was asking. But also if you have followed the meeting more closely, we have ruled the dorm out. I am telling you that we have opted for the Hotel "Terme" with full accessbility support, only. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] my thoughts last night
On Thursday 06 July 2006 09:38, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > so last night I couldn't fall asleep (and took some notes) and tonite I > woke up after after a really short time of sleep and couldn't sleep more. > > So this document is the result of thinking last night (with taking notes..) > after+about the meeting what rational thoughts I have for not being in > favor of Sarajevo anymore. Until debconf6 I didn't _like_ the UK bid and > was neutral about Sarajevo. Debconf6 showed the importance of the localteam > and I became in favor of Edinburgh... > > > 1. From many comments from stockholm (in RL (dc6), on the list and on IRC) > I got the impression he is clearly biased in favor of Sarajevo (and I fail > to understand why). So much, that it somewhat puts Sarajevo down for me. > I'm aware that this is not a a completly rational argument, but I want to > share this with you. And I have rational arguments for my impression of > stockholm being biased: > > One example the "we need the dorm option" argument, because (stockholm > basically says) "debconf will grow each year, this is good, and we need to > pay for everything this is the (not really changeable, not really > discussable) way of debconf." - Of course he can say and think what he > wants, and of course his thoughts are the thoughts of someone who has been > deeply involved in debconf the last years (from the beginning?), but I dont > think his "forecast" is accurate (unlimited growth?) nor what I think is > healthy for DebConf. No, we could save lot of money on the dorm option. I will check if the United Nations building by the dorm is usable for auditorium purposes. It does not hurt to check. > > I'm also quite disappointed that there is no costs comparison spreadsheet > so far (even or if only with estimated numbers (you can easily put many > calculations in one spreadsheet)) - if stockholm is the main organizer and > says "only the dorm option is doable" I want to have this backed up by > (comprehensible) numbers from him. > > Surely it also didnt help that we moved^wran from debconf6 to debconf7, > instead of having a discussion about his leadership like many wanted. I've > read a very good summary on this (the perceived problems with his > leadership), which the authour didnt want to publish anymore after the > delegation happened. And I heard many people from the team complain about > this at or shortly after debconf6. > > (After saying this I should/want also state, that I do like, value and > trust (in general, as said, I'm put off by his current behaviour) stockholm > very much. As much as I am unhappy with some of his behaviour at dc6, I've > been far more happy with him than unhappy ;) > > > 2. Unclear flight costs for Sarajevo, while Edinburgh will certainly be > cheaper for many europeans and us-americans. According to stockholms travel > agent the difference in average will be 100-150 euros, if booked well in > advance. While I do believe this is true for europeans (but not all of them > can book well in advance, btw), I've only heard about much higher costs > from outside europe. Also, people who will need visas might also not be > able to book well in advance. > > > 3. Unclear Visa situation. According to Sapphire (and contrary to official > information on official bosnian websites), people can fly to Sarajevo and > get a visa at the airport. If they dont want to risk wasting money and time > by doing so and then not getting the visa, e.g. latin americans either need > to travel to argentina to the bosnien embassy there or to the US (and > probably need another visa for that, and of course this is also expensive.) > > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060619.110359.78423ced.en.html > only states "we could request" (which might be denied), and there is no > answer to the concern raised in > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060627.151735.c5bfa627.en.html so > far. > > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060618.002949.ac6946bf.en.html is > where the visa thread started. (And where you can find visa information > about both countries.) > We have had a number of big international events so far, both conferences, sports events, fair etc. And all the participants got their visas at the airport without any fuss. We are still not a Schengen country, so it is much easier for people to get a Bosnian visa. Information I got directly from Bosnian goverment, Ministry of Foreign Affairs. > > 4. The USA and Japan both warn there citizens about Bosnia (see > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060617.011732.497e9cce.en.html). > While I _do_ think this is mostly goverment propaganda, I fear this might > influence the amount of hardware we will get borrowed. Or to put it > different, I'm sure we will get more and better stuff lent in Edinburgh. > (Similar for the network, it sounds like we can get decent network the > Hotel Therme (people from localteam working at the hotels ISP), while it > sounds like we can
[Debconf-team] Overall prices from Edinburg...
Hello, While going through: http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Edinburgh/Venues there are many could and would options but no overall costs per venue/person/day U.K. team, please provide on this list and on the wiki page. We need to work with some numbers. Costs for accommodation +daily food+conference hall+hacklabs+additional costs. Cheers, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Security situation in U.K. - London incident
Well, according to BBC, U.K. police has a "shoot to kill" police on an unarmed suspected people just because of their complexion. Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711619.stm -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Security situation in U.K. - London incident
On Thursday 06 July 2006 14:03, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > * Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060706 13:56]: > > Well, according to BBC, U.K. police has a "shoot to kill" police on an > > unarmed suspected people just because of their complexion. > > I think both teams have mor important things to do than throwing mud at > each other, as well as we have more important things to do than reading > this, so: > > > STOP THAT! > > NOW! > > BOTH OF YOU! > > Stop that mud throwing at each other, or believe me, DebConf 7 will be > neither in SJJ nor in EDI! How does one email compare to at least ten mud emails, coming from U.K., Australia, and USA? We can dig a lot of dirt on EDI offcourse, but no, we will stop it here! Want the truth, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Security situation in U.K. - London incident
On Thursday 06 July 2006 14:52, Moray Allan wrote: > On Thu, 2006-07-06 at 13:56 +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Well, according to BBC, U.K. police has a "shoot to kill" police on an > > unarmed suspected people just because of their complexion. > > > > Source: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4711619.stm > > Scotland has a separate police system from England, as well as a > separate legal system founded on different principles. > > No one is suggesting holding DebConf in London, so I'm not sure it's > useful for me to comment further on police mistakes there. Thank you for explanation. I believe we are told to stop mudding, we will refrain from further allegations/prejudices/I was told by someone stories, thank you. Cheers, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Criteria for Debconf location decision
On Thursday 06 July 2006 17:32, Otavio Salvador wrote: > abrangency what does this word mean? Thanks, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues
>According to the SJJ team, it wouldn't be a problem to hand out visas at the >airport (instead of a local embassy), but never the less people would need >to book and pay flights only on the promise, that they'll get a visa. Please correct this, their visas would be preapproved and it is not a promise, since they would need to give us (the local team) their personal data and email passport copies, but Ministry of Foreign Affair would issue them visas and inform us of their issuance so that their visas would just be waiting for them at the airport. This is not a promise it is a fact. Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues
On Friday 07 July 2006 13:32, Jesus Climent wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 11:27:40PM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Please correct this, their visas would be preapproved and it is not a > > promise, since they would need to give us (the local team) their personal > > data and email passport copies, but Ministry of Foreign Affair would > > issue them visas and inform us of their issuance so that their visas > > would just be waiting for them at the airport. This is not a promise it > > is a fact. > > Only if it can be done soon enough so that people can buy the tickets once > they have the visa and it can be started already to get cheaper flights. It can be done within a reasonable timeframe, and those people would have to confirm their attendance of DebConf7 and we need to have a list of all those people with their data offcourse. So, it is doable. Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues-Sarajevo prices update
On Friday 07 July 2006 16:39, Alexander Schmehl wrote: >... > For SJJ it's quite easy: > > 33 * ( (50*7) + (350*7) ) = 92400 Euro >... Update on SJJ prices: Now we have a new offer from the Hotel Manager which says 30 euros per person per day so a rough estimate is now: 30*((50*7)+(350*7))=84000 Euro Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Comparing the proposed venues-Sarajevo prices update
On Friday 07 July 2006 16:45, Safir Secerovic wrote: > On Friday 07 July 2006 16:39, Alexander Schmehl wrote: > >... > > For SJJ it's quite easy: > > > > 33 * ( (50*7) + (350*7) ) = 92400 Euro > >... > > Update on SJJ prices: > Now we have a new offer from the Hotel Manager which says > 30 euros per person per day > so a rough estimate is now: > > 30*((50*7)+(350*7))=84000 Euro > > Safir This is the Marketing Manager mrs. Sanja Stanojevic of the Hotel "Terme", the same 4 stars hotel that has been visited. We just got a cut on the initial prices. :) Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povikam. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite
On Friday 07 July 2006 18:00, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2006 at 07:12:56AM +0200, Christian Perrier wrote: > > When it comes at travel, I can bet that travelling to Sarajevo or > > Edinburgh from outside Europe is actually not much more expensive than > > travelling to one of the major European hubs (London, Paris, > > Amsterdam, Frankfurt) through one of the major airline companies > > alliances. > > That's not entirely accurate. I just did a quick search on flights into SJJ > and EDI for June of next year (to compare prices on a relatively equal > scale) and found that prices to SJJ were ~ $1600-$1700 USD *per ticket* and > prices to EDI were ~ $900-$1000 USD *per ticket*. That is quite the price > difference between flying to the two locations from the west coast of the > United States. > > And those are just estimates - the prices for EDI were closer to $900, the > prices for SJJ were closer to $1700. About a 700 EUR difference *per > ticket*. > > For comparison, for the same search parameters but to CDG (Paris) is > ~$1200. Frankfurt is ~ $1250. London is ~$900. Amsterdam is ~$1100. > > SJJ is significantly more expensive to fly to from the US than it is to fly > to EDI, and still a bit more expensive than the major European hubs. I > haven't looked at other countries, unfortunately, but I wouldn't be > surprised to find similar trends flying into Europe. > > Witty closing here, > Patty Here are some prices from Kompas - local Bosnian travel agency, http://www.kompas-sarajevo.com/nm/anmviewer.asp?a=4&z=3 these prices are at least 20% higher than at foreign agencies, but still here they are, just for orientaition, if you book in advance expect lower prices: Airport taxes not included: @Patty - flight for L.A. from Sarajevo on their list is only 632 euros + taxes! To Europe: Belegrade 69 EUR Zagreb 110 EUR Ljubljana 160 EUR Brussels 149 EUR Budapest 190 EUR Paris 139 EUR Prague 149 EUR Vienna 149 EUR Amsterdam 149 EUR Istanbul 160 EUR Madrid 198 EUR London 149 EUR Moscow 146 EUR Copenhagen 160 EUR Stockholm 160 EUR Rome 145 EUR Berlin 169 EUR Munich 149 EUR Zurich 149 EUR Oslo 195 EUR So, from Bosnia retrun flight to other continents: New York 480 EUR Chicago 579 EUR Toronto 560 EUR Boston 549 EUR Houston 635 EUR Sydney 1049 EUR Vancouver 890 EUR Dallas 610 EUR Washington 560 EUR Atlanta 570 EUR Montreal 572 EUR Los Angeles 632 EUR San Francisco 660 EUR Kuala Lumpur 750 EUR Singapore 599 EUR Bangkok 629 EUR Hong Kong 690 EUR Dubai 420 EUR Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Updates to DebConf7 Sarajevo wiki pages...
Hi again, our team is growing stonger day by day and we now have regular updates on all issues/priorities on our wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Sarajevo page, so please do come more often and find your answers there. We have also created a new logo for DC7 in Sarajevo, hope you like it. We are getting more support and promises of sponsorhip. Also, we now have official support from Croatian Linux Users Group http://www.linux.hr and Free Software Network of Serbia http://www.fsnserbia.org/ so less worries for volunteers / potential local sponsors :) Also, we are doing ourbest to have the most complete questionnaire about any issues that might come up. Regards, Safir Secerovic DebConf7 Local Team Leader for Sarajevo bid -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?
On Saturday 08 July 2006 02:39, Anthony Towns wrote: >... > sapphire_sjj: If we chose UK, how do you think your crowd would > take it? Would you still be motivated to push for it on a next > Debconf? gwolf, we will not bid again, honestly. you given > us too much mud at our face, but we are fighting until the decision > > is the final word on that score? When we were first starting to contemplate about this idea of having DebConf7 in Sarajevo, there was just one guy, me on the list for local team. But, as time passes and I see more and more people joining and more thing get done, we start looking really as a strong team, each day we get more and more support, and enthusiasm about this is incredible here, people just want DebConf7 here. Matej Vela ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), DD from Croatia, whom I never personally met, came to #debconf-team meeting on wednesday to give us his support and to side with our team, even though nobody asked him to do so, no Josip Rodin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]), another DD from Croatia, Croatian Linux Users Group, Serbian Free Software Associsiation, the whole Balkans is joining us towards this idea, this is something I never expected. It is like a reunification of community. Having DebConf7 here would be like having another Winter Olympics, just an IT FOSS Olympic Games. We, the whole team, are 100% commited to achieving this goal now! Not next time, I do not want to say anything about our competition, just want to say, that we are definitely people you can trust here. I have met many friend at DC5 in Helsinki, as them all about me. We have no prejudice upon any and we are open for all people. We intend to prove it to you by having you here next year. Yes, we are going for all or nothing proposal, we believe we are worth and more than capable of having a great DebConf7 in Sarajevo. Thank you very much for your proposal, but will not settle for less. Regards, Safir Secerovic DebConf7 Local Team Leader - Sarajevo bid -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] "Global" favourite
On Saturday 08 July 2006 03:33, David Moreno Garza wrote: >... > I'm quite surprised here, also. I started to search also for some > flights from Latin America and I found a price (yes again, roughly > search) for around $1950, which is just too much to SJJ, via United > on MEX-IAD-VIE-SJJ, compared to around $1100 for MEX-EWR-EDI in > Continental. Any of those represent a problem also for people not > holding an American visa and having to fly directly to Europe which > would make the prices even higher. So in most of the ways, it's a > difficult thing for us to travel to DebConf. > > Is there any kind of suggestion for people down here by the bid teams? You can fly to Sarajevo from Europe with number of airlines at an affordable price. There are connections trough Paris (Air France), Frankfurt (Lufthansa), Milan (Aeromexico+AlItalia) and even more. Prices should be around € 1300 euros not more! This year SJJ-FRA-MEX return ticket was 1290 € with taxes and everything. So, you just need to look at all options and if you book in advance I see no reason why you should not pay aroud 1200 € for the flight. Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7? - Maybe we go for next...
On Saturday 08 July 2006 08:46, Patty Langasek wrote: > On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 03:04:13AM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Yes, we are going for all or nothing proposal, we believe we are worth > > and more than capable of having a great DebConf7 in Sarajevo. Thank you > > very much for your proposal, but will not settle for less. > > I think what bothers me most about this statement is that it doesn't sound > like the team is there to host DebConf for *Debian*, but rather wanting to > host DebConf for *Sarajevo*. And while it's admirable and understandable to > see one with a high sense of nationalism promote his or her homeland, it > really concerns me that the priorities don't seem to be in a "proper" > order. > > I do hope I misinterpreted that statement and that really wasn't what was > meant. Thank you Patty for pointing out this to us, No, this is NOT true, ask anybody who now me, even these people from the DC7 Delegation Team who visited us, my opinion always was and is that I want the best for Debian and DebCon7 and that is it. I am sorry if I sounded to partial on this one, but please take into account all available facts about the preparations for this conference from both parties. We can even make this event on a Balkans level, with DDs from Greece to Slovenia coming to help in any way they can. I am sorry if I have be exclusive, but we are very focused and on this bid and all, we want nothing less than DebConf here, so, if we do not get this one, maybe we can work for next one, it is just too early to tell now and hopes are high to get this one. One of the team members Amila Akagic, former Bosnian LUG president will also address this issue later today in a more polite manner than myself. I apologize if I sounded offensive in any way towards anyone. We have best intentions both for Debian GNU/Linux and FOSS community in general. Regards, Safir Secerovic -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] What if you don't get DebConf 7?
On Saturday 08 July 2006 07:43, Christian Perrier wrote: > > Yes, we are going for all or nothing proposal, we believe we are worth > > and more than capable of having a great DebConf7 in Sarajevo. Thank you > > very much for your proposal, but will not settle for less. > > I personnally regard this as sad. I actually share AJ's feelings. This > is not a "win or lose" game and if you would not get the bid for DC7, > I think you should take this as an opportunity to continue building a > strong local commitment for further bids. > > You already achieved a big success, Safir, by turning something which > I personnally was considering as the "dream by one man" to a team > approach and a very valuable proposition. > Thank you, I know it, and we are proud of what we have accomplished so far. > I actually have a small preference for the Sarajevo bid...but this has > not much value because I don't have all the information and I don't > have the intent to be involved more in Debconf organization. > > But, even if the preferences goes for EDI, I would really urge you to > reconsider that "all or nothing" approach. I repeat: your bid is > *already* a success. A few months ago, I think I can say that nearly > no-one was really thinking that you would succeed in presenting > something that we could trust. You have made it and I think that > nearly noone is now believing that the Sarajevo bid is not > thrustworthy. > Yes, we acknowledge this as well, it is a shame more of us have not been directly involved in Debian. > *That* is a huge success. Don't let it fall down by abandoning. Your > goal, Safir, is to promote Free Software and mostly Debian in > Bosnia. Believe me, that involves working on DC8 or DC9 organization > if you're not chosen for DC7. > We are building a strong regional team, and having the DC7 would make our team form and ignite a spark of unity here. It would make a big impact IMHO. Well, maybe for DC9, or some other, since DC8 is going to another continent, but, this is all in the long run now. It is possible though, although speculative. > About "mud throwing": well, some exchanges recently have not been very > friendly. And I understand you may have taken some questions or > interrogations as quite insulting (I guess mostly the concerns about > the general attitude of people towards women...or the considerations > about the relations between the Islamic Cultural Center and some > allegately terrorist organizations). > > Understanding that you or your friends could have been hurted by this > is easy..it was obvious through your reactions and especially the very > inappropriate post about security in UK. Let's be positive: this shows > that you're highly committed to promote your culture and help us > discover it. This also means that you're (sometimes too) enthusiast. > This has been so low Christian, that we really expected fair play from others, nothing like this. Comparing Bosnia to some middle/far east countries is a matter of good taste, and nothing in touch with reality really. Whoever has been in Bosnia lately will tell you that. This is not meant as an attack or anything: I just ask EDI team to present their case in a way that is required for DebConf7 bid. Will all necessary information and terms and deadlines, please people we have expected much more from you, up until now, only your "name" has been your advocate. > Another argument which should motivate you to *not* give > up if you fail for DC7. > I agree totaly, and thank you for this insightful email. Regards, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Prices/costs going down after a thorough checking for Sarajevo - please update the wiki
Hi, these are the prices for Sarajevo's bid, Hotel "Terme". All other rooms, hacklabs, conference halls are included in these prices as well. These are Sarajevo Hotel "Terme" prices excluding breakfast, for easier comparison: Half board means with lunch and dinner (2 meals a day): 2 bed room costs 25 euros per person per day 3 bed room costs 22 euros per person per day So lower limit (all 3 bed rooms) for Sarajevo now is (based on 350+50 people): 350*22*7+50*22*7 = 53900+7700= 61600 euros Upper limit (2 bed rooms) is: 350*25*7+50*25*7 = 61250+8750= 7 euros Please update the http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparison Regards, Safir Secerovic -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Prices/costs going down after a thorough checking for Sarajevo - please update the wiki, recalculation
So, in reality, there would be a middle price between this, like half of the rooms have 2 beds and other half 3 beds, so the middle price is: (61600+7)/2 = 65.800 euros total which would be: (25+22)/2 = 23.5 euros per person per day. Please update the http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparison wiki with this new costs for Sarajevo. Regards, Safir On Saturday 08 July 2006 23:55, Safir Secerovic wrote: > Hi, > these are the prices for Sarajevo's bid, Hotel "Terme". > All other rooms, hacklabs, conference halls are included in these prices as > well. > These are Sarajevo Hotel "Terme" prices excluding breakfast, for easier > comparison: > Half board means with lunch and dinner (2 meals a day): > 2 bed room costs 25 euros per person per day > 3 bed room costs 22 euros per person per day > > So lower limit (all 3 bed rooms) for Sarajevo now is (based on 350+50 > people): 350*22*7+50*22*7 = 53900+7700= 61600 euros > Upper limit (2 bed rooms) is: > 350*25*7+50*25*7 = 61250+8750= 7 euros > > Please update the http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparison > > > Regards, > Safir Secerovic -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL)
Dear aj, first of all, thank you for writing one affirmative email [0] after the first one [1]. I understand that you've expressed some concerns on the debconf-team mailing list about potential links between a Sarajevo mosque and Saudi terrorist organizations. [1] Thus, it could have made us cancel much cheaper venue for DebConf7, but we have gotten good prices nevertheless. Seeing your vigor in debunking this connection, I'd like to direct your attention to another group of potential terrorists in Edinburgh. Namely, the catering service which the Edinburgh team suggests on their wiki is "the mosque kitchen". [2] Now a simple Google search for "edinburgh mosque" will reveal as the first result "The Islamic Centre of Edinburgh Trust" [3]. The evidence to the connection of this centre with the terrorists is abundant. First of all I'll point you to the name of this mosque [4]. Transcription: The Mosque Of The Custodian of The Two Holy Mosques King Fahad Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud & Islamic Centre of Edinburgh Note that this is the same King Fah(a)d mentioned in your e-mail. [1] Alsaud means - From Saudi Arabia, to avoid any misunderstanding. On the food from this mosque EDI team is based their cheapest prices / lower limit. 3 euros per meal that is (2.5 pounds). So it would be OK for you to eat Saudi government sponsored food in EDI, but not in SJJ and not have their conference hall? Or did we miss something? [0] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060708.003910.798873b7.en.html [1] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060705.144439.890c2f68.en.html [2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Edinburgh/Venue [3] http://www.discover-islam.com/ [4] http://www.discover-islam.com/col/rscs/address.gif Cheers, Safir Secerovic DebConf7 Local Team Head for Sarajevo Linux Users Group of Bosnia and Herzegovina http://www.linux.org.ba -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL)
Just to summarize: - 'terrorist' conference hall with kitchen/hacklabs in sjj. FREE. Rejected - 'terrorist' catering in edi. not FREE. accepted? Safir -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL) Date: Sunday 09 July 2006 12:31 From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear aj, first of all, thank you for writing one affirmative email [0] after the first one [1]. I understand that you've expressed some concerns on the debconf-team mailing list about potential links between a Sarajevo mosque and Saudi terrorist organizations. [1] Thus, it could have made us cancel much cheaper venue for DebConf7, but we have gotten good prices nevertheless. Seeing your vigor in debunking this connection, I'd like to direct your attention to another group of potential terrorists in Edinburgh. Namely, the catering service which the Edinburgh team suggests on their wiki is "the mosque kitchen". [2] Now a simple Google search for "edinburgh mosque" will reveal as the first result "The Islamic Centre of Edinburgh Trust" [3]. The evidence to the connection of this centre with the terrorists is abundant. First of all I'll point you to the name of this mosque [4]. Transcription: The Mosque Of The Custodian of The Two Holy Mosques King Fahad Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud & Islamic Centre of Edinburgh Note that this is the same King Fah(a)d mentioned in your e-mail. [1] Alsaud means - From Saudi Arabia, to avoid any misunderstanding. On the food from this mosque EDI team is based their cheapest prices / lower limit. 3 euros per meal that is (2.5 pounds). So it would be OK for you to eat Saudi government sponsored food in EDI, but not in SJJ and not have their conference hall? Or did we miss something? [0] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060708.003910.798873b7.en.html [1] http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060705.144439.890c2f68.en.html [2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Edinburgh/Venue [3] http://www.discover-islam.com/ [4] http://www.discover-islam.com/col/rscs/address.gif Cheers, Safir Secerovic DebConf7 Local Team Head for Sarajevo Linux Users Group of Bosnia and Herzegovina http://www.linux.org.ba -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL)
Hi, I do not want my mail to be a mud throwing thing agains EDI. I'm sorry if it looks like it. Just want to mention that both things catering & cultutal center are related. to islam, and I don't think that's bad, but some people seem to anyway. Regards, Safir On Sunday 09 July 2006 12:58, Safir Secerovic wrote: > Just to summarize: > > - 'terrorist' conference hall with kitchen/hacklabs in sjj. FREE. Rejected > - 'terrorist' catering in edi. not FREE. accepted? > > Safir > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > Subject: Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL) > Date: Sunday 09 July 2006 12:31 > From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Dear aj, > > first of all, thank you for writing one affirmative email [0] after the > first one [1]. > > I understand that you've expressed some concerns on the debconf-team > mailing list about potential links between a Sarajevo mosque and Saudi > terrorist organizations. [1] > Thus, it could have made us cancel much cheaper venue for DebConf7, but we > have gotten good prices nevertheless. > > Seeing your vigor in debunking this connection, I'd like to direct your > attention to another group of potential terrorists in Edinburgh. Namely, > the catering service which the Edinburgh team suggests on their wiki is > "the mosque kitchen". [2] > > Now a simple Google search for "edinburgh mosque" will reveal as the first > result "The Islamic Centre of Edinburgh Trust" [3]. The evidence to the > connection of this centre with the terrorists is abundant. First of all > I'll point you to the name of this mosque [4]. Transcription: > The Mosque > Of The Custodian of The Two Holy Mosques > King Fahad Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud > & Islamic Centre of Edinburgh > > Note that this is the same King Fah(a)d mentioned in your e-mail. [1] > Alsaud means - From Saudi Arabia, to avoid any misunderstanding. > > On the food from this mosque EDI team is based their cheapest prices / > lower limit. 3 euros per meal that is (2.5 pounds). > So it would be OK for you to eat Saudi government sponsored food in EDI, > but not in SJJ and not have their conference hall? Or did we miss > something? > > [0] > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060708.003910.798873b7.en.html > [1] > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060705.144439.890c2f68.en.html > [2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Edinburgh/Venue > [3] http://www.discover-islam.com/ > [4] http://www.discover-islam.com/col/rscs/address.gif > > > Cheers, > Safir Secerovic > DebConf7 Local Team Head for Sarajevo > Linux Users Group of Bosnia and Herzegovina > http://www.linux.org.ba > -- > Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... > > --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Fwd: Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL) - proof read
I made a mistake in wording, for that I appologise, but nevertheless, without and mudding towards EDI, my message is: - 'islamic' conference hall with kitchen/hacklabs in sjj. FREE. Rejected - 'islamic' catering in edi. not FREE. accepted? Regards, Safir On Sunday 09 July 2006 13:08, Safir Secerovic wrote: > Hi, > > I do not want my mail to be a mud throwing thing agains EDI. > I'm sorry if it looks like it. > Just want to mention that both things catering & cultutal center are > related. to islam, and I don't think that's bad, but some people seem to > anyway. > > Regards, > Safir > > On Sunday 09 July 2006 12:58, Safir Secerovic wrote: > > Just to summarize: > > > > - 'terrorist' conference hall with kitchen/hacklabs in sjj. FREE. > > Rejected - 'terrorist' catering in edi. not FREE. accepted? > > > > Safir > > > > -- Forwarded Message -- > > > > Subject: Sarajevo text - c/o aj (DPL) > > Date: Sunday 09 July 2006 12:31 > > From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Dear aj, > > > > first of all, thank you for writing one affirmative email [0] after the > > first one [1]. > > > > I understand that you've expressed some concerns on the debconf-team > > mailing list about potential links between a Sarajevo mosque and Saudi > > terrorist organizations. [1] > > Thus, it could have made us cancel much cheaper venue for DebConf7, but > > we have gotten good prices nevertheless. > > > > Seeing your vigor in debunking this connection, I'd like to direct your > > attention to another group of potential terrorists in Edinburgh. Namely, > > the catering service which the Edinburgh team suggests on their wiki is > > "the mosque kitchen". [2] > > > > Now a simple Google search for "edinburgh mosque" will reveal as the > > first result "The Islamic Centre of Edinburgh Trust" [3]. The evidence to > > the connection of this centre with the terrorists is abundant. First of > > all I'll point you to the name of this mosque [4]. Transcription: > > The Mosque > > Of The Custodian of The Two Holy Mosques > > King Fahad Bin Abdulaziz Alsaud > > & Islamic Centre of Edinburgh > > > > Note that this is the same King Fah(a)d mentioned in your e-mail. [1] > > Alsaud means - From Saudi Arabia, to avoid any misunderstanding. > > > > On the food from this mosque EDI team is based their cheapest prices / > > lower limit. 3 euros per meal that is (2.5 pounds). > > So it would be OK for you to eat Saudi government sponsored food in EDI, > > but not in SJJ and not have their conference hall? Or did we miss > > something? > > > > [0] > > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060708.003910.798873b7.en.html > > [1] > > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20060705.144439.890c2f68.en.html > > [2] http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Edinburgh/Venue > > [3] http://www.discover-islam.com/ > > [4] http://www.discover-islam.com/col/rscs/address.gif > > > > > > Cheers, > > Safir Secerovic > > DebConf7 Local Team Head for Sarajevo > > Linux Users Group of Bosnia and Herzegovina > > http://www.linux.org.ba > > -- > > Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... > > > > --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Fwd: Please update the venue comparison wiki with new prices from SJJ...
Hello, please update the http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparison with these new prices for Sarajevo below. Regards, Safir -- Forwarded Message -- Subject: Please update the venue comparison wiki with new prices from SJJ... Date: Sunday 09 July 2006 17:49 From: Safir Secerovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Tolimar, I sent an email name "-recalutation" last night stating new costs for Sarajevo Hotel "Terme", which is with breakfast deducted 23.5 euros average. And total costs come at about 65.800 euros. Please update the http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf7/VenueComparison with new data, also take a look at our wiki http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf/Sarajevo we have added some significant pages about accessibility and other venue info. Thank you, Safir -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... --- -- Dojdov pak tajno moja, zvezda prakam da te povika... ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf9 in Greece!
On Sunday 16 July 2006 01:21, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Alexander Schmehl dijo [Sat, Jul 15, 2006 at 09:48:37PM +0200]:
> > > We are starting gradually to prepare our candidateship
> > > and to this end the website http://www.debconf.gr
> > > has been set up as a coordinating point for our efforts.
Good luck Greece, we love you guys! Thanks for the support during Sarajevo
bid! Many regards from Bosnia! :)
> >
> > Well... nice... I think... Aeh...
> >
> > I'm sorry, I don't get it. I see something which seems to be three
> > artivles written in greek and an "english" button, which doesn't change
> > much.
> >
> > Well, but since you are biding for DebConf 9, you surely still have some
> > time to make the "english" buttons work ;)
>
> Ok, it seems DebConf${number} is going to be non-latinic, as we have
> Japan and Greece already working! Any bids from Russia? India? China?
> Bosnia uses the latinic alphabet, but you still have some time to push
> your government to change to Cyrilic! ;-)
Both latin and cyrillic alphabets are used in Bosnia and Herzegovina and are
equal. At elementary schools, children are taught both of these alphabets and
English. German, French, Arabic, Persian, Russian, Italian and Spanish are
taught at some lanugage/grammar schools and universities.
>
> Ok, /me shuts up
>
> Greetings,
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Re: [Debconf-team] Unfinished tasks from DebConf6
Hi Jimmy, you used the right words, it "appears" and it "seems" to you that this was a "status quo" state, but it might not have reflected the state as it has actually been in. Regards, Safir > Andreas, > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:21:17PM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote: >> So the removed authority (and corresponding responsibility) was >> in no way only limited to the debconf7 location but rather about >> debconf in general. > > Right now I'm not going to address the issue of whether you should or > should not help finish DebConf6 matters, but I will point out that in > the email where the DPL made the delegation which he later withdrew, it > was clearly limited in scope to be about "the decision of which of the > two cities [i.e. EDI and SJJ] will host the next DebConf [i.e., > DebConf7]", and not related to anything else about DebConf. Similarly, > in his withdrawal email, he refers to the delegation as being about "the > decision on where to hold DebConf 2007" or "the venue decision". Check > the emails for yourself if you don't recall these details. > > It appears to me that him granting a delegation beyond what was already > the status quo and then removing it leaves the status quo unchanged from > before the delegation, and it further seems that none of this needs to > affect your status in or involvement with the DebConf team, either for > DebConf6 issues or beyond. Certainly most other DebConf team members > whose delegations were granted and withdrawn seem to have interpreted it > that way. How you react is, of course, your decision. > > - Jimmy Kaplowitz > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Unfinished tasks from DebConf6
> On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:21:17PM +0200, Andreas Schuldei wrote: >> * Joerg Jaspert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060725 22:50]: >> > On 10726 March 1977, Andreas Schuldei wrote: >> > > i suggest that those that took away the authority >> > The team did not took it away, you resigned. >> Some (or all?) in the team took it, as well as others outside the >> team. A team leader gets authority from the team which follows >> and trusts the leader and/or expresses support when the authority >> of the leader is in question. Also see "dict authority". > > Likewise, a leader gets support when they demonstrate that they're > taking the interests of their team into account, explaining why they're > exercising that authority so other people understand what's going on, > and being accountable for their decisions. That applies both to getting > support from the orga team here, and support from the Debian project > in general. > > The easiest way to provide that sort of accountability and explanation > for decisions like this is coming up with a list of criteria for the > decision and providing an open space for people to discuss those criteria > and add their own; unfortunately you were mostly inclined to cut that > discussion off at the knees [0] or just ignore it [1] up until the second > meeting. You can see plenty of other examples of that sort of approach > to people's concerns working poorly in Debian, and resulting in a loss > of trust. > > I'm sorry that you were and are unhappy that I intervened at that point > to have that process be followed so that there was a clear explanation > available on what basis the decision was made, and I'm particularly sorry > I couldn't come up with a way of doing that in a way that appropriately > respected your contributions to debconf to date so that you'd be happy > to continue contributing. But I couldn't, and debconf is bigger than > any one contributor and isn't anyone's fiefdom, and for it to continue > being successful, it's important that it's run in a way that makes sense > to everyone involved. > >> A removal of a delegation is also an expression of distrust and >> removal of authority and of course also the responsibility. > > The delegation was removed for the reasons I cited in [2], namely that, > in my view, the team was failing to come to a decision in a way that > involved as much input from the orga team and the Debian community as > possible, would clear up confusion about the relationship between Debian > and debconf, and to come to a decision that was based on something more > than just personal preference. > > If you wish to view that as an expression of distrust or otherwise as > insulting and disrespectful, that's your choice; but it wasn't intended > that way, either to you or to any of the other delegates, as I believe > should have been clear from some of the private comments I made, to you > personally and the delegates as a group. > > I know you've already expressed the concern that debconf is going to > change drastically [3]. I think you're both drastically overestimating my > influence, such as it is, and dramatically underrating your own influence > on the conference over the past few years, and the degree to which both > the local and international members of the debconf orga team appreciate > your work, and will try to continue it even in your absence. > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2006 at 11:53:32PM +0200, Safir Secerovic wrote: >> you used the right words, it "appears" and it "seems" to you that this >> was >> a "status quo" state, but it might not have reflected the state as it >> has >> actually been in. > > To the best of my knowledge, the state of affairs before the delegation > was that the orga team as a group would make a decision by consensus on > which was the most suitable venue, and to the best of my knowledge that's > what eventually happened. The time of the meeting where that happened > was established well in advance, and the open discussion that took > place on the companion channel while the main channel was moderated was > forwarded to the main channel whenever appropriate to ensure everyone's > concerns were heard. I'm sorry that you apparently feel hard done by, > but you weren't deprived of any chances Edinburgh had, and the reasons > they got the conference are listed in the meeting minutes [4] -- there > isn't anything more to it than that. > Really? There is more to add to that, namely, as one can see from the minutes, people making decisions on the points have been mainly from Debian UK tea
Re: [Debconf-team] Unfinished tasks from DebConf6
Hola Gunnar, > > Yes. I'm sorry for not replying to your mail in this regard. It's all > still with me. I have not sent them as I wanted to get a cheaper > courier service than what I got to send Safir his stuff (BTW, Safir, > did you finally receive it?), but it's been enough - I'll ship them, > period. > Yes, it has arrived a week ago or so. I wrote you an email about it, but just to confirm here, my DC6 bag is here and I am proudly wearing the t-shirt! Thank you for sending the bag to me. btw, my in my opinion, have these CONSOL people been involved in any way or if we had help from those guys from CONSOL (the local mexican free software conference or so) during DebConf6 (in any way), then we should help them as well with our equipment. Otherwise, let others decide. Many regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Venezuelan proposal for DC8
This is a very good offer on your behalf, looks promising if you ask me. Will be interesting to see the competition as well. You have done excellent work so for. Keep it up. Happy New Year everyone! :) Cheers, Safir > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Debian Venezuela is pleased to announce the Venezuelan proposal for the > 8th Annual Debian Development Conference, Debconf 8. The group is > offering to host DC8 in the Hotel Maremares in Lecherias near Puerto La > Cruz, Venezuela. Lecherias belongs to "Diego Bautista Urbaneja" > touristic municipality in Anzoategui State. > > We have exercised special care in offering a structured proposal, as > well as answering questions posed by the DebConf organization team > regarding the most important areas of a venue proposal. Several formats > for the proposal are available: a Webpage [1], a Wiki [2] and plain text > [3], as well as the required wiki.dc.o information [4]. > > As always, we are open to any questions. Our main point of contact is > [EMAIL PROTECTED], where you can reach the whole Debian Venezuela > team. You may also reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED], which is our main > mailing list. You will also find some of us in #debian-ve in > irc.debian.org. > > We hope that our proposal fulfills Team's expectations, and we really > believe that Venezuela will make a great host for Debconf in 2008. > > Saludos, > Debian Venezuela team. > > Links: > [1] http://www.debconf.org.ve > [2] http://www.debconf.org.ve/wiki/ > [3] http://www.debconf.org.ve/proposal.txt > [4] http://wiki.debconf.org/DebConf8/Venezuela > > About Debian Venezuela: Debian Venezuela is a non-profit group of > Venezuelan people interested in Debian development. The group was > founded on 27-December-2004, and as of December-2006 has two (2) > Debian Developers, eleven (11) package maintainers, five (5) people in > the NM queue, two hundred and eighty-four (284) people in the mailing > list, and several people contributing in other development areas. > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFFlhKYvcJ3jPsnhKERAnDyAJ4nyNTsgDcbcmqmwfHLaeb//L/V+wCfTduP > jdDUcU3VbWsREbPwMDJHodg= > =Ljit > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > ___ > Debconf-team mailing list > Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org > http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team > > ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] Questions for bid teams: National Transportation
Hi team, I wish that everyone accepts this mail as one written with best intentions meant. A lot of the under required information is already present on your pages, but still... Since this time around we have all proposed veunes outside capital cities we need to have detailed information on national transportation services. This includes precise and up to date present timetables and ticket prices for bus, train or plane lines. Having maps in your bid pages would help. At this time, non-detailed maps with the distances between Entry Points and Venues (like entry airports and venues) are preferred to be in the wiki, so that we all have a clearer picture. It is very important to know exact time/price needed to reach proposed venue locations. Again, I am not refering to sponsored transportation, this can be worked out later, just plain transportation at one's disposal at present in your countries. It would be excellent if Team Argentina could make the decision on which venue to bid with in very near future, since it is much easier to jugde conditions based on a single location and makes much more sense. As you may all know, travel time is of utmost importance when you are coming from across the oceans. We need to know exactly what we are dealing with here. Thank you and keep up the good work! Regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Question for bid teams: weather
> > What do the rest think? Except for the winter holidays (that might be > between the second week of July till the first week of August), and > summer (December, January, February), we could have it at any time. > It is my guess that second and third week of August are best for > almost everybody, but I might be guessing wrong. > Good guess IMHO, August should be ok for most people, it's summer holiday season in northern hemisphere of course. Cheers, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visa support
> Hi, DC Team! Hello! > > Earlier, i wondered about how to get "evidences" required to enter to UK. > As > much time passed, i repeat my question: > > Is DC Team able to provide with some kind of official letter from the > organizator with the event information and dates, personal invitation, > accomodation guarantees (and with the organizator's info as well)? We have started working on a draft of Letter of Invitation for DebConf7, and a copy of which will be available soon (a month or two from now). We will announce on this list when all those requiring a visa to enter UK should write to our email to ask for such letter. > > It must be managed quick, as postal services are sometime quite slow, and > we > prefer to have time in reserve to manage with our local embassies. > It will be processed asap once we have finalized the above mentioned detalis. We (the DC7 Team Visa Department) will announce the deadline for visa supporting document (the letter) request as well. Also, when initially contacted U.K. embassy in Sarajevo, I have gotten a positive response in term of the shortness of time required for visa applications processing. I was told it does not take more than 15 days, and 1 month at longest. I hope similar standards apply at U.K. diplomatic missions worldwide. Regards, Safir Secerovic ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visa support
> Hi, Hello, > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 05:21, Safir Secerovic wrote: >> We have started working on a draft of Letter of Invitation for DebConf7, > > where is the draft? It will be available on svn in 2-3 days. > >> and a copy of which will be available soon (a month or two from now). We My bad, not a month or two. Half a moth the longest. > > debconf7 starts in less than 5 month and I think not all visas are > processed > as quickly as you indicated below... can I help you with writing the > letter > of invitation? If you think you can :-) We need some details to sort out. Namely, in terms of who best to put as a most liable person as an invitator in the letter. Need to check those things still. But it should reach its final form pretty soon. > >> Also, when initially contacted U.K. embassy in Sarajevo, I have gotten a >> positive response in term of the shortness of time required for visa >> applications processing. I was told it does not take more than 15 days, >> and 1 month at longest. I hope similar standards apply at U.K. >> diplomatic >> missions worldwide. > > I fear thats not the case. I hope it is. Anyways, interested applicants need to check in their respective countries. > > > regards, > Holger Regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visa support
> Hi, Hello, > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 05:21, Safir Secerovic wrote: >> We have started working on a draft of Letter of Invitation for DebConf7, > > where is the draft? It will be available on svn in 2-3 days. > >> and a copy of which will be available soon (a month or two from now). We My bad, not a month or two. Half a moth the longest. > > debconf7 starts in less than 5 month and I think not all visas are > processed > as quickly as you indicated below... can I help you with writing the > letter > of invitation? If you think you can :-) We need some details to sort out. Namely, in terms of who best to put as a most liable person as an invitator in the letter. Need to check those things still. But it should reach its final form pretty soon. > >> Also, when initially contacted U.K. embassy in Sarajevo, I have gotten a >> positive response in term of the shortness of time required for visa >> applications processing. I was told it does not take more than 15 days, >> and 1 month at longest. I hope similar standards apply at U.K. >> diplomatic >> missions worldwide. > > I fear thats not the case. I hope it is. Anyways, interested applicants need to check in their respective countries. > > > regards, > Holger Regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visa support
> Hi, Hello, > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 05:21, Safir Secerovic wrote: >> We have started working on a draft of Letter of Invitation for DebConf7, > > where is the draft? It will be available on svn in 2-3 days. > >> and a copy of which will be available soon (a month or two from now). We My bad, not a month or two. Half a moth the longest. > > debconf7 starts in less than 5 month and I think not all visas are > processed > as quickly as you indicated below... can I help you with writing the > letter > of invitation? If you think you can :-) We need some details to sort out. Namely, in terms of who best to put as a most liable person as an invitator in the letter. Need to check those things still. But it should reach its final form pretty soon. > >> Also, when initially contacted U.K. embassy in Sarajevo, I have gotten a >> positive response in term of the shortness of time required for visa >> applications processing. I was told it does not take more than 15 days, >> and 1 month at longest. I hope similar standards apply at U.K. >> diplomatic >> missions worldwide. > > I fear thats not the case. I hope it is. Anyways, interested applicants need to check in their respective countries. > > > regards, > Holger Regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visa support
> Hi, Hello, > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 05:21, Safir Secerovic wrote: >> We have started working on a draft of Letter of Invitation for DebConf7, > > where is the draft? It will be available on svn in 2-3 days. > >> and a copy of which will be available soon (a month or two from now). We My bad, not a month or two. Half a moth the longest. > > debconf7 starts in less than 5 month and I think not all visas are > processed > as quickly as you indicated below... can I help you with writing the > letter > of invitation? If you think you can :-) We need some details to sort out. Namely, in terms of who best to put as a most liable person as an invitator in the letter. Need to check those things still. But it should reach its final form pretty soon. > >> Also, when initially contacted U.K. embassy in Sarajevo, I have gotten a >> positive response in term of the shortness of time required for visa >> applications processing. I was told it does not take more than 15 days, >> and 1 month at longest. I hope similar standards apply at U.K. >> diplomatic >> missions worldwide. > > I fear thats not the case. I hope it is. Anyways, interested applicants need to check in their respective countries. > > > regards, > Holger Regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Visa support
> Hi, Hello, > > On Saturday 20 January 2007 05:21, Safir Secerovic wrote: >> We have started working on a draft of Letter of Invitation for DebConf7, > > where is the draft? It will be available on svn in 2-3 days. > >> and a copy of which will be available soon (a month or two from now). We My bad, not a month or two. Half a moth the longest. > > debconf7 starts in less than 5 month and I think not all visas are > processed > as quickly as you indicated below... can I help you with writing the > letter > of invitation? If you think you can :-) We need some details to sort out. Namely, in terms of who best to put as a most liable person as an invitator in the letter. Need to check those things still. But it should reach its final form pretty soon. > >> Also, when initially contacted U.K. embassy in Sarajevo, I have gotten a >> positive response in term of the shortness of time required for visa >> applications processing. I was told it does not take more than 15 days, >> and 1 month at longest. I hope similar standards apply at U.K. >> diplomatic >> missions worldwide. > > I fear thats not the case. I hope it is. Anyways, interested applicants need to check in their respective countries. > > > regards, > Holger Regards, Safir ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] If you need a visa for the UK, request an invitation letter now
Dear registered DebConf7 atendees, Those of you requiring an entry visa to United Kingdom should write an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] no later than 25 February 2007 (this month) so that we can start issuing invitation/sponsorship letters to you as soon as approved. Your email request should contain the following data: - Full name - Postal address - Telephone number - Nationality - Passport number - Birthdate - Place of birth If you have any other information that may be relevant, please let us know about it also. Thank you and see you in EDI! Safir Secerovic DebConf Orga Team ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] sponsorship levels
> On Wed, 07, Feb, 2007 at 10:11:20PM +, Neil McGovern spoke thus.. >> Just to clear things up, as I've been asked on IRC, I'm againt it *for >> DC7*. > > I fully agree with Neil on this. Whether future debconfs use levels is > a matter for discussion (and personally I'm in favour of it). Introducing > something like this half way through would make us look amateurish and > incompetent. > > Mark I fully agree with h01ger and others that we need to have levels for sponsors, but perhaps something like categories, like marga poined out from what she saw at other projects' sites, like media, logistical, technical, financial sponsors. What we need to discuss is the way we could implement this on DebConf. I also agree with Maulkin, Ganneff and others that we should not do this at this stage of DebConf7 preparations. Time is short and, IMHO, we would seem amateurish to start implementing whole new sponsorship strategy at this stage. Safir P.S. I would also like to be involved more with helping sponsorship team. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
