Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 13 room planning (talks, hacklabs, bar, ...)

2013-06-18 Thread Benedikt Trefzer
Hi

My name is Benedit Trefzer, most of you will not yet know me. I'm part
of the bar team for debconf and I write this mail on behalf of the bar team.
The bar team visited le camp yesterday, to become familiar with the bar
infrastructure (citchen, space etc.).

For us it is evident to have a decision about the location of the bar
really soon since this depends on the organisation of the bar and the
ordering of supplemental things needed.

Let me shortly describe the  two possibilities:

Bar@le carré:
=
- Size: 72m2
- Capacity: 50 probably less, since we need some space for the
  bar itself.
- kitchen in the basement.

After the visit there are the following major issues with bar@le_carré:
- 50 Person is the absolute maximum possible (not seated).
- entrance is small (normal door) and conflicts with the citchen
  stairs. There is only one entrance. This will probably lead to
  deadlooks at the entrance.
- There is no possibility to sit outside near le caré
- No balcony to extend

To solve this, we have forseen to rent a tent to have a second place
somewhere else outside (place is subject to decide) where one can have a
beer.
This means:
- Adittional costs for rent of tent (only for bar infrastructure, not
  for guests (you)).
- guests@tent are outside, no chairs/tables.
- complex logistic (transport, etc). needs more staff
- On rainy conditions there is a big problem.

Bar@rotonde, upper floor:
=
- Size: 150m2
- Capacity: according Gaudenz: 120
- kitchen on the same floor, directly accessible
- balcony which will be used t oextend capacity
- Possibility to sit and have a beer around the building.
- rotonde is in the middle of the area
- rotonde has the best (spectacular) view to the lake and the alps !

If it is possible to have the bar in rotonde, a tent to extend the
capacity is not necessary. This leads to simpler logistic etc.

Conclusion:
===
The bar team votes for bar in rotonde.
We are aware of the fact, that the bar is not the most important part of
the organisation. So we'd like to clearly state, it is possible to
organise Bar@le carré but

The most important thing for us is to have a decision soon, so things
can get organized.

Cheers and let us meet @bar

Benedikt and bar team
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Re: [Debconf-team] DebConf 13 room planning (talks, hacklabs, bar, ...)

2013-06-21 Thread Benedikt Trefzer


On 18.06.2013 17:07, Patty Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 03:39:11PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>> On 18.06.2013 10:42, Benedikt Trefzer wrote:
> 
>> (...)
>>> The bar team votes for bar in rotonde.
>>> We are aware of the fact, that the bar is not the most important part of
>>> the organisation. So we'd like to clearly state, it is possible to
>>> organise Bar@le carré but
> 
>>> The most important thing for us is to have a decision soon, so things
>>> can get organized.
> 
>> I don't think bar is so important, and i think we should hope good
>> weather, and push people to drink outdoor (easier/cheaper to clean
>> beer).
> 
> While trying to not sound like the alcoholic American, I would like to
> disagree. 
> 
>> DebConf priorities are talks, informal BoF rooms and hacklabs, so we
>> should start finding the rooms for such things, and then you should
>> choose the better place for bars.
> 
> DebConf priorities are ABSOLUTELY talks, informal BoF rooms and hacklabs,
> but those (especially the talks and BoFs) generally happen during "day
> hours", while socializing, wandering, drinking, etc. will happen in the
> evenings/after dinner. Since the venue is fairly far removed from typical
> after-conference haunts, it's going to be pretty important to have a
> designated meeting area, otherwise attendees may designate their own
> drinking rooms.
> 

I think we all agree on the priorities. And let me state clear: We as
the bar team also know that it's a conference and not a bar meeting ;)

The intention of my mail was just to point out, that IF there is the
possibility to use rotonde for bar, it will definitly and significant
easier and better for the bar organizers.

Important for us is to have a decision soon.

> And the smaller bar will get very quickly overcrowded. To quote, "If you
> serve it, they will come."
> 
>> But we really need such big place for a bar? I would be disappointed
>> if bar will be more full than talk rooms (also considering that in
>> Le Camp we have nice outdoor places and many terraces to enjoy
>> better the nature.
> 
> I would expect bar to be lightly used during talks, but heavily used right
> before dinner and especially right after dinner. Would there be any way to
> have the small bar available during the day and larger afterwards? Would the
> bar team be amenable to this?
> 
We (the "bar team") also expect high frequency at the bar before and
after dinner. Thats why we had the idea of the tent to provide another
place.
The usage of a talk room is another possibility. Actually we have
forseen this for bad wheather conditions to substitute the tent if
necessary.
The advantage ist, that we do not need to rent a tent and there is no
problem on rainy conditions.
For logistics and other equipment (beer taps etc) it's equal to have a tent.
The disadvantage is, that the room has to be ready for talks in the
morning.  This means we have to get everything ready for talks (remove
tables, put chairs, cleanup etc) after the party.

Cheers

Benedikt



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Re: [Debconf-team] Time to start thinking about Cheese and Wine party...

2013-07-19 Thread Benedikt Trefzer
Hi Christian

On 19.07.2013 10:56, Gaudenz Steinlin wrote:
> 
> Hi Christian
> 
> Christian PERRIER  writes:
> 
>> The Subject says it all, I guess
>>
[..]
>>
>> Another important point is the storage area. Debconf participants will
>> be bringing a fair amount of cheese, some starting on Tuesday 6th. So
>> we need to find a good place to store that material, preferrably a
>> cold area. Beware that the usual amount is know to be able to
>> completely fill in a standard domestic fridge
> 
> There are enough fridges at our dispositon during DebConf so that this
> should not be an issue. I'm not sure if the bar will already have a
> refrigerated trailer during DebCamp. How much space do you estimate for
> the DebCamp week? I'm sure we'll find a solution here.
> 

The trailer is available during debcamp also. So no problem to store a
huge amount of cheese.

But please put whatever you bring in a package, labeled with your name,
so we know to whom it belongs.

Cheers

Benedikt
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