Re: [Debconf-team] DC15 date selection
On 2014-03-31 22:43, Bdale Garbee wrote: The answer from me is the same in either case. Mid-August is fine, late Aug into Sept is a big problem for many from the US. In Scotland, schools start again in mid- to late August. That might make either of the proposals hard for parents, but the later date proposal will be worse. In France, schools start again at the beginning of September. -- Moray ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
On 2014-03-30 00:02, Steve Langasek wrote: This is not true. The DC13 earmark at SPI contain all surplusses from previous DebConfs including Debian contributions which have not been paid back to Debian. Why is that, if everyone is agreed that surplusses are not rolled over from year to year? It's a bug. We previously agreed to shut down the earmark two months after the end of each DebConf (even if there are one or two payments remaining to be made at that stage, though we should try to avoid that). -- Moray ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
[Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
Hi, from a budget point of view, the daytrip can easily be made in a way that it doesnt cost the organizers any (additional) money. We've paid bus fares ourselves (as attendees) in the past and can do that again and then we just go to some nice place in the countryside and have a picknick there, and voila, splendid daytip with awesome memories - without a budget, except for food, which we would have to pay anyway. (I'm all for having the conf pay the full daytrip but if thats not possible, it's not possible.) Others have already explained why+how the daytrip is tremendously useful, I wont go much into this here, I just want to state that from a videoteam point of view it's really nice to have a day off and be able to talk with and not to people :-) cheers, Holger, who skipped more day trips than he would have liked, but that was either due to having to work on video stuff or having to sleep and the daytrip left at 7AM or so... signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
Hi, On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 10:44:05PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > I think the BBQ for the Debian Party at DC13 was quite nice, not the > > least cause people could mingle freely. Having sit everybody at a > > table means you can only talk to people next or opposite of you. > > Yes. What we named the "Conference Dinner" actually happened on Lake > Neuchâtel in continuity with the DayTrip. The Debian Birthday BBQ was a > different event that was also made public and kinda-replaced [0] the > DebianDay. Right. My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. Michael ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 05:56:05PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > from a budget point of view, the daytrip can easily be made in a way that it > doesnt cost the organizers any (additional) money. We've paid bus fares > ourselves (as attendees) in the past and can do that again and then we just > go > to some nice place in the countryside and have a picknick there, and voila, > splendid daytip with awesome memories - without a budget, except for food, > which we would have to pay anyway. That's actually kind of what I'm planning. Only, the picnic is accompanied by waterfalls. But, absolutely. The daytrip doesn't have to be extravagant (and *won't* be this year). And I think we've worked too hard previously in trying to one-up the last daytrip experience (sorry, I'm not going to try to compete with CERN - cate wins that contest hands down), and I'm hoping people will be content with a very low-key, outdoorsy, as-active-as-you'd-like-to-be daytrip this year. > (I'm all for having the conf pay the full daytrip but if thats not possible, > it's not possible.) The daytrip is actually not a terribly expensive thing this year (just cost of coaches). My bigger concern is I underestimated how much it was going to cost to have a conference dinner. The good news there is I've come up with a pretty good (and potentially fun) idea that won't go over the budget *too* much, and since I'm staying well under the daytrip budget, might even be able to petition to have funds reallocated (assuming they're there). > Others have already explained why+how the daytrip is tremendously useful, I > wont go much into this here, I just want to state that from a videoteam point > of view it's really nice to have a day off and be able to talk with and not > to > people :-) You can ask DC7, DC10 and DC6 teams - the main organizers were also happy to have people off-site for a day so they could have a much needed breather. I received just as many expressions of gratitude from the DC7 organizers who *didn't* go on the daytrip as I did from the attendees who *did* go on the *daytrip. It was ... kinda surreal. :) Patty -- -- Patty Langasek harmo...@dodds.net -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 05:14:45PM -0700, Patty Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 05:56:05PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> > Hi,
>
> > from a budget point of view, the daytrip can easily be made in a way that
> > it
> > doesnt cost the organizers any (additional) money. We've paid bus fares
> > ourselves (as attendees) in the past and can do that again and then we just
> > go
> > to some nice place in the countryside and have a picknick there, and voila,
> > splendid daytip with awesome memories - without a budget, except for food,
> > which we would have to pay anyway.
>
> That's actually kind of what I'm planning. Only, the picnic is accompanied
> by waterfalls.
>
> But, absolutely. The daytrip doesn't have to be extravagant (and *won't* be
> this year). And I think we've worked too hard previously in trying to
> one-up the last daytrip experience (sorry, I'm not going to try to compete
> with CERN - cate wins that contest hands down), and I'm hoping people will
> be content with a very low-key, outdoorsy, as-active-as-you'd-like-to-be
> daytrip this year.
Yeeh! Daytrip is awesome, but sometimes it takes so much energy from the
orga team, so much money, so much etc etc... Let's do simple, Portland
seems to be a wonderful place to explore in a cheap way, I think just a
nice walk and a picnic would be enough to make Debian people happiness :)
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[Debconf-team] Upcoming DebConf Team Meetings
Hello, everyone! Just a friendly reminder that we have our global IRC meeting coming up next week. We adjusted the time slightly to accommodate my change in class schedule (thank you!). The IRC meeting will be at Tuesday, April 8 @ 1830 UTC in #debconf-team on OFTC. (This is intended to be 11:30 am PDT, just in case my time conversion fu is not working.) Our agenda can be found at the usual place[0]. Please take a moment to look over last month's global Minutes[1] to ensure you've completed what you need to from last month's action items. If you haven't set up iCal[2], please consider doing so to keep up to date on any schedule changes. Thanks, loves! Patty [0] https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf14/Meetings [1] http://meetbot.debian.net/debconf-team/2014/debconf-team.2014-03-11-19.00.html [2] http://www.debconf.org/calendars/DebConf-team.ics -- -- Patty Langasek harmo...@debian.org -- At times, you may end up far away from home; you may not be sure of where you belong, anymore. But home is always there... because home is not a place. It's wherever your passion takes you. --- J. Michael Straczynski ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
also sprach Michael Banck [2014-04-02 00:36 +0200]: > My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference > Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional > social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. Or find ways to integrate the conference dinner with the day trip, such that at the end of an outside day, you get to eat outside food too. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "the intellect is not a serious thing, and never has been. it is an instrument on which one plays, that is all." -- oscar wilde digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
also sprach Tiago Bortoletto Vaz [2014-04-02 03:13 +0200]: > Yeeh! Daytrip is awesome, but sometimes it takes so much energy > from the orga team, so much money, so much etc etc... Let's do > simple, Portland seems to be a wonderful place to explore in > a cheap way, I think just a nice walk and a picnic would be enough > to make Debian people happiness :) To add to that: I've heard in the past that "DebConf is not the place where everyone is keen to go into nature or engage in physical activity". Let's not think like that. Obviously, not everyone will join, and we do have people with limited ability. But if we give off the impression that the day trip is only for sports freaks and nature geeks, then we're ourselves cutting into attendance. Rather, I think we must ensure an inclusive programme, and a default expectation that everyone joins — and assume/communicate that in everything we do. -- .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : DebConf orga team `. `'` `- DebConf14: Portland, OR, USA: http://debconf14.debconf.org "here i was all convinced that if i sleep all day, bug counts go down, and if I work all day, they go up, so much for that theory." -- lars wirzenius digital_signature_gpg.asc Description: Digital signature (see http://martin-krafft.net/gpg/sig-policy/999bbcc4/current) ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] Updated budget for DC14
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Michael Banck wrote: > My point kinda was that I thought the BBQ was the better Conference > Dinner. I wouldn't mind if we just had another one with some additional > social events one evening and scrap the traditional conference dinner. I agree with Ana that these are all impression by self-selected people, not hard data, but I would like to join the general consensus that day trip is more worthwhile than the conference dinner. Personally, I found the boat trip nice, but rather formal and static. There was almost no intermingling once you sat down. Contrary to that, both the day trip and the BBQ allowed people to talk to a _lot_ of different people in an open and relaxed atmosphere. I agree with Patty that a day outside which allows people to sit and relax or to hike to one or tow locations of different difficulty would be best. I agree with Martin that this can nicely be folded into a large BBQ at the end of the day. One thing to keep in mind: This is dependent on the weather, so if the weather turns out to be bad, museum hopping or some such could be a cheap backup. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 7:23 AM, martin f krafft wrote: > To add to that: I've heard in the past that "DebConf is not the > place where everyone is keen to go into nature or engage in physical > activity". Let's not think like that. Obviously, not everyone will > join, and we do have people with limited ability. But if we give off > the impression that the day trip is only for sports freaks and > nature geeks, then we're ourselves cutting into attendance. Rather, > I think we must ensure an inclusive programme, and a default > expectation that everyone joins — and assume/communicate that in > everything we do. The daytrip should neither cater to the extreme of "remain in front of laptop all day" nor to "run a marathon", but cover middle ground. Having a nice middle ground outside should be acceptable to all, if accessible, though. Richard ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Patty Langasek wrote: That's actually kind of what I'm planning. Only, the picnic is accompanied > by waterfalls. > I assume you are referring to Multnomah Falls[1]. Out of interest: How near is this to other hiking destinations/activities and a large-ish open space where a horde of Debian people can establish base for half a day or so? Is BBQing outside allowed? Richard [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multnomah_Falls ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
Re: [Debconf-team] daytrip + budget (Re: Updated budget for DC14)
On Wed, Apr 02, 2014 at 07:48:42AM +0200, Richard Hartmann wrote: > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 2:14 AM, Patty Langasek wrote: > That's actually kind of what I'm planning. Only, the picnic is accompanied > > by waterfalls. > I assume you are referring to Multnomah Falls[1]. > Out of interest: How near is this to other hiking destinations/activities http://www.portlandhikersfieldguide.org/wiki/Columbia_River_Gorge_Hikes#Multnomah_Falls_Area > and a large-ish open space where a horde of Debian people can establish > base for half a day or so? Is BBQing outside allowed? Not immediately adjacent, no. The rough plan is to take buses between various stops in the gorge, with lunch outdoors as a group at a nearby state park. I'll let Patty speak to the details. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developerhttp://www.debian.org/ slanga...@ubuntu.com vor...@debian.org signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Debconf-team mailing list Debconf-team@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-team
