Re: Being nice to introverts/the highly sensitive (was Re: "Breaking Cliques at Events")
]] Sean Whitton Hi folks, > Given the above, at DebConf17 -- my first free software conference -- I > sometimes worried that I had imposed myself on others by > enthusiastically and expectantly introducing myself and asking them > about themselves. By 'expectantly' I mean that I approached them in a > way that might make them feel obligated to respond with a similar level > of energy. This is not a reasonable nor a kind demand to make of > someone who has difficulty meeting new people. I think «has difficulty meeting new people» feels like a crude approximation. To me, it depends a lot on the person and the context and probably the time of day, the moon phase and the colour of the neighbour's cat. I'm terrible at small talk (both in the «not good at» sense, but also in that I find it draining), but if your and my interests intersect, it's quite possible we'll be having interesting conversations. In your particular case, I did enjoyed meeting you and sure, you were bouncing with energy, but people like that are quite often fun to talk to, and I felt no particular obligation to be as bouncy. > 1) am I right that those of us who have no difficulty with new people >need not worry about those introverts/etc. who make it clear that >they know how to look after themselves viz-à-viz their >introversion/etc.? Or are there steps we can take? > > 2) for those people who have difficulty with new people but are /not/ >like you -- do not have techniques to handle their energy levels; not >fully aware of how they are -- what can those of us who have no >difficulty with new people do to avoid imposing ourselves upon them? Not sure, really. While I appreciate the thought of you trying not to impose yourself too much, I'm not sure there's much you can do there. >This is especially relevant when there's an age/seniority >difference. E.g. a more senior/older person who has no difficulty >with new people talking to someone junior/younger who does have >difficulty with new people. It can be hard the other way too, because that because you've been around a long time, people expect that you can cope with whatever. > (I'm deliberately avoiding the term 'extrovert' because (i) I am really > not sure what it means; and (ii) I want to discuss a much more specific > dichotomy which is probably not all of extroversion, namely "those who > have no difficulty with new people" / "those who do".) It's also not binary or static (both introversion/extroversion, but also the other thing we're talking about). Cheers, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
Re: Decision making in Debian
]] "Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)" > Hi Dashamir > > On 2022/07/14 10:07, Dashamir Hoxha wrote: > > I am not sure how democratic decision making is made in Debian, but > > I guess it is done through mailing lists, which in my opinion are > > not the best tool for this purpose. > > We don't have any form of decision making process on mailing lists. As > others have mentioned, when we make a project-wide vote (like DPL > elections or a GR), then that's co-ordinated by the project secretary. I think the word «formal» is missing from the paragraph above (and even in that case, things like proposing GRs and amendmends to ballot options do happen on mailing lists, so it's a bit in the eye of the beholder). :-) Quite a lot of decisions are made every day on mailing lists (and IRC, Matrix, in person, and in a whole lot of other arenas) they're just a lot less formal than GRs. (As a more general comment to the suggestion to use liquidfeedback, I'm not sure what problem is being addressed. I think figuring that out first is rather important.) Cheers, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
Re: Decision making in Debian
]] Denver Gingerich > On Thu, Jul 14, 2022 at 01:19:41PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > Quite a lot of decisions are made every day on mailing > > lists (and IRC, Matrix, in person, and in a whole lot of other arenas) > > they're just a lot less formal than GRs. > > At the risk of going a bit off-topic here, I'm curious about Matrix > being singled out here, as I hadn't seen it used in a Debian context > before. The only information I could find on Matrix use by Debian was > at https://wiki.debian.org/Matrix - it appears Debian runs a Matrix > server at matrix.debian.social and discusses Matrix packaging at > #debian-matrix:matrix.org (i.e. on non-Debian infrastructure) but > otherwise doesn't use Matrix. Off-topic is fine. :-) I listed it because I like it, and while not used a lot directly in Debian, quite a lot of users on IRC are using it through a bridge. I'd assume there are also more isolated communities using it here and there without necessarily announcing it. «on non-Debian infrastructure» doesn't really make sense for a federated system such as Matrix, since a room can have multiple aliases and the history is distributed to all servers that have users in a given room. > It feels like the Debian community is pretty comfortable with IRC > (reasonably so) and so I was wondering if this was more of an off-hand > comment, or if there are other uses of Matrix by Debian that go beyond > what I mentioned above. It was indeed more of an off-hand comment. While I think matrix is a (technologically) much better choice than IRC, I suspect we're stuck with IRC for a very long time since it's quite frequently good enough and history has proven that it has a lot of stickiness. Cheers, -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
Re: DC25 KSP printouts available!
]] Daniel Gröber > Since elbrus also seems absent I assume there's a bug for people with > multiple keys? I suspect so, yes. (I'm missing too, have two keys in the dc25_fprs.txt file) -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are
