Re: DC18 - Currency
On 2018-07-18 01:51, Bdale Garbee wrote: > John Paul Adrian Glaubitz writes: > >>> Expect no help from the counter. >> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo. > As someone with extensive travel experience, I can say it's not quite > that simple. In a number of countries I've visited, there have been > ATMs with the VISA logo that would not work with a card issued in some > other country. [...] > Regards, > > Bdale Yes, I had issues especially in Japan (where many banks have no foreign offices) but issues in Singapore and China as well... Taiwan was never a big problem (disclaimer: I live here since over a decade). Some notes: - Many ATM's support European "Maestro" cards. - VISA debit and credit cards are supported - Mastercard debit/credit cards are supported. - You can find ATM's in almost every FamilyMart, 7-11, 24 hour a day to withdraw cash. Interface is English. - Some banks require you to enable foreign cash transactions before you travel. - Cash at airport is possible, you'll see "Megabank" (odd name right?) and Bank of Taiwan (both used to be the only national banks). Their rates differ very slightly. You can find their rates here: https://rate.bot.com.tw/xrt?Lang=en-US (English) https://wwwfile.megabank.com.tw/other/bulletin02_02.asp (sorry only Chinese). They both allow you to negotiate a little if the amount is above 1000 USD. Since banking is pretty centralized in Taiwan rates are generally good (low spread). You'll need your passport. Note that banks in Taiwan usually only offer over the counter money exchange between 9:10 and 15:10. - Many taxis can accept credit cards these days. If you want to go by taxi to Hsinchu (cheapest is bus), you may book & prepay it here: http://www.airportfrstcar.com/index.aspx (site is somewhat in English...) - Don't change at the hotel. They are the only ones that will rip you off. - Taiwan has too many (over 30) banks, so the network of ATM's is very dense. There are only a few rural ATM's that don't have any English. - Final note: I've never been cheated on exchange rate (or anything else) in Taiwan and people are more than helpful here. Safe travels! Thomas
Re: DC18 - Currency
On 2018-07-18 09:29, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 07/18/2018 02:26 AM, Norbert Preining wrote: >>> Just find an ATM with the VISA logo. >> You incredible travel experience seems to never have brought you to such >> highly civilized countries as Japan ... getting cash here is a pain, >> still in 2018. > One of my best friends is a professor in Japan and I'm going to Japan > to visit him usually twice a year. I think, I mentioned that I had > no problems so far withdrawing money in Japan using both my Norwegian > and my German VISA card, usually at 7-11. Even in smaller towns like > Maebashi or Neyagawa. But you need to find 7-11. At most major banks in Japan, those cards will NOT work :-) Anyhow in Japan you pay in the stores with VISA, Mastercard. Oddly never an issue there ;p Thomas Also a German (actually in Tokyo right now).
Re: Electronic shops around Hsinchu
On 2018-07-18 11:34, Hector Oron wrote: > Hello, > > It looks like Taiwan is one of the major electronic device > providers, I have been told about [Guang Hua Digital Plaza] in Taipei, > but does someone know nearby electronic stores in Hsinchu? > > [Guang Hua Digital Plaza](http://www.gh3c.com.tw/) > > Best regards, I found Taiwan quite disappointing for electronic shopping. Used to be much better. I like this store for some custom motherboards & gaming keyboards: http://www.coolpc.com.tw/ Easy to navigate through http://www.coolpc.com.tw/m/ to see some costs. Hsinchu is small and doesn't have much. There's a "Nova" 3C store thats like Guanghu in Taipei but smaller. CoolPC has an outlet there too: http://www.coolpc.com.tw/image/coolpc-hsinchu.gif Its a 20 mins walk (+ one sweaty Tshirt) from NCTU
Re: Access to Hsinchu late in the evening on Sat 7/28
use taxi :) It will cost you TWD 1000 max. On July 18, 2018 12:54:48 PM GMT+09:00, Norbert Preining wrote: >Hi Yao, > >thanks for the info. > >> Sorry. That TPE->Taipei->Hsinchu approach seems work only if you can >take >> the bus (Howtai bus) in Taipei before 1AM. The next bus sets off at >5AM. > >I think that should be possible, or? I am arriving at 9:50 pm, so it >should be possible to arrive in Taipei before 1am. > >But I am seriously pondering a taxi to make it less painful. > >Best > >Norbert > >-- >PREINING Norbert http://www.preining.info >Accelia Inc. +JAIST +TeX Live +Debian Developer >GPG: 0x860CDC13 fp: F7D8 A928 26E3 16A1 9FA0 ACF0 6CAC A448 860C DC13
Re: Reaching the venue on Sunday evening
Hi, On 2018-07-19 15:24, Carsten Schoenert wrote: > Hi, > > hopefully my plane will landing on Sunday about 8pm local time in > Taoyuan. I expect I will need at least one hour to be ready for taking > the final ride to the venue. Am I right with such an expectation? Yes, depending how much time immigration takes. There's some long queues sometimes. Your luggage should get out quickly. > Once I'm in the terminal it was suggested to buy a EasyCard for Public > Transportation. Is this card not only dedicated for transportation > within or around the airport? If not this card can also be used later in > Hsinchu HSR station I guess? How much money should be put onto the card > then at least for later usage too? Where to reload money on the card > later if needed? Easycards are mostly used in buses, trains and convenience stores. You can buy one at 7-11 or Familymart, maybe even one with a cute design. The minimum starting deposit is NT$ 100 (or in other words 100 TWD). > An a final question, given to welcome.pdf and the wiki sides the latest > departure of bus 182 on Hsinchu HSR will be at 10:30pm which I'm not > sure I can get. I assume taking a taxi is no problem (in Germany in some > cities or stations it can be a problem :P ) You plan to do airport->HSR->taxi? Thats probably slower and as expensive as doing taxi all the way. > What about giving tip if taking a taxi? 10% or more? ZERO. In Taiwan you tip nobody, ask for a discount instead! :) Thomas
Re: Hotel recommendation near by venue
On 2018-07-19 20:30, W. Martin Borgert wrote: > Quoting Norbert Preining : >>> Landis Inn Chuhu is just outside the campus. >>> http://chuhu.landishotelsresorts.com/index.php >> >> Looks nice, but unfortunately too expensive for me since I don't get >> support from my company. > > I'll probably stay in the Chief Hotel, which is much cheaper. > > Only drawback: Breakfast by McDonalds, but one can ignore it. Honestly, I would prefer McDonald's over most hotel breakfasts in Taiwan (unless you stay at 4 star or higher) or just go out Breakfast is extremely cost-optimized in most 2/3 star hotels here... Maybe you get some dry toast with strawberry jam in tiny plastic packs. And a bit of Chinese style "hot breakfast" McDonalds now has the "Mega McMuffin" for breakfast and an website+app (even in English) where you could order it! ;-) https://www.mcdelivery.com.tw/tw/browse/menu.html?daypartId=46&catId=98&locale=en Alternatively, you can try some Taiwanese break fast stalls (that only pop up in the morning) near the school Guangfu Road. There's also a great Japanese restaurant 十六區壽司屋 just near your hotel (only for dinner though). ;-) Don't worry you don't have to starve in Taiwan! Thomas
Gandi at the Debconf
Hello, whoever read this; thought I let you know that I'll be participating in person at the conference from 7/28 to 7/31. I run the Asia office of registrar Gandi.net in Taipei and can tell you a lot of domain name stories (people always underestimate how critical/important domain names / DNS servers are to send emails, point to the right servers...). Looking forward to see some of you people again and meet some new. I'll be the one with the Gandi T-Shirt, if you also want one, email me your size (S,M,L,X,XL) directly and I'll bring it there. PS. Debian developers can get heavily reduced rates with us, process is here: https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBenefits#Gandi Thanks, Thomas
Re: Hotel recommendation near by venue
On 2018-07-19 21:30, Norbert Preining wrote: > Hi Thomas, > >> There's also a great Japanese restaurant 十六區壽司屋 just near your hotel (only >> for dinner though). ;-) > As a gaijin living in Japan, I prefer Japanese restaurants in Japan. I > had some funny experiences while visiting Taiwan National University ;-) 1. You can trust me that it is great. 2. Your experience doesn't surprise me though, since when in this world is campus food great? 3. Most of the tuna that lands in Japan is fished nearby Taiwan these days... :-) 4. I think you need to refresh your experience... I like both. :P >> Don't worry you don't have to starve in Taiwan! > That is indeed something I can 150% support, never had any problem > getting food there ;-) > >> I run the Asia office of registrar Gandi.net in Taipei and can tell you a >> lot of domain name stories > Oh, nice, I'm a long term customer of Gandi (although I moved the actual > server part away to get a decently priced bare metal server, I still use > Gandi as registrar - maybe you can convince me to return to Gandi ;-) > >> (people always underestimate how critical/important domain names / DNS >> servers are to send emails, point to the right servers...). > Indeed indeed! > >> I'll be the one with the Gandi T-Shirt, if you also want one, email me your >> size (S,M,L,X,XL) directly and I'll bring it there. > XL for me! noted. > >> PS. Debian developers can get heavily reduced rates with us, process is here: > That is actual very good value, but not for bare metal servers if > compared to kimsufi. You could do better here. But probably it is all > about the services. I don't need anything else but an emergency shell. Yep, I think every vendor has values/disadvantages somewhere! Thanks, Thomas
Re: Hotel recommendation near by venue
On 2018-07-19 22:12, Mehul Patel wrote: > Hi, > > How about the Veg food options available in the hotel, restaurants in Taiwan? > Because I'm a pure vegetarian. > Hi, I used to live in Hsinchu for 5 years and it wasn't easy for the pure vegetarians that I know. I'd suggest you search / ask this English speaking group here (Hsinchu Foodies Facebook Group): https://www.facebook.com/groups/170112883124/ Thomas
Re: Gandi at the Debconf
On 2018-07-20 06:38, Rogério Brito wrote: > Hi, Thomas and others. > > On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 9:13 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >> PS. Debian developers can get heavily reduced rates with us, process is here: >> https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBenefits#Gandi > Is this strictly, really, only developers and not maintainers? > > > Thanks, > Hi, maintainers should be fine too. Our criteria is that you need to send your request from @debian.org! Thanks, Thomas
Re: Gandi at the Debconf
On 2018-07-21 21:24, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:40:12AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 10:36 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >> >>> maintainers should be fine too. Our criteria is that you need to send your >>> request from @debian.org! >> Only Debian Project members (aka DDs) get an @debian.org address, DMs >> (Debian Maintainers) are not Debian Project members, only Debian >> contributors and Debian community members. It would be nice to extend >> the Gandi offer to all Debian contributors: >> >> https://contributors.debian.org/ > It would be nice to expand the offer to include Debian contributors but > we will need to provide Gandi to validate claims. > > Thomas, currently you validate Debian Developers by validating that > they're emailing you from their @debian.org address. > > You could mimic this for Debian Maintainers by reviewing their entries > on the aforementioned website and finding the email address that they're > using in the 'extra info' links. Correct, I noticed some emails are hidden though, any way to get validation? We don't want to spend too much time looking for proof ;-) > Let us know if you wish to expand your offer to Debian contributors and > we can adjust the language on the MemberBenefits page. We should, if we can figure out above :-) Thanks, Thomas
Re: Cheeeeeeeeese! (and wine!)
On 2018-07-25 22:13, Ralf Treinen wrote: > Hello, > > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 08:23:50AM -0500, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > >> So, please go to our Wiki page! >> >> https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/CheeseWineBoF >> >> Fill out what you are bringing. Join the Cheese Team. > the wiki page says: > > Taiwan Customs Regulations > > You can import up to TBD kilograms of cheese per person. > > The variable TBD seems to be not initialized. Are we at least sure that > the value is not null? > > -Ralf. Cheese was never an issue. For personal consumption DRY sausages is ok too now. Bring some saucisson sec please. I bring wine. Wine btw is 6 liters of which 5 need to be declared.
Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)
Hope the heat in Taiwan isnt too tough. Embrace or ignore it is how to cope ... :) btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day would take more energy. On 2018-07-25 21:48, Ulrike Uhlig wrote: > Hello! > > Holger Levsen: >> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 12:04:01PM +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) >> wrote: >>> We currently have no plans to augment ES203 (Quiet Hacklab), ES510 >>> (Another Hacklab) or ES815 (Yet Another Hacklab). >> can we make those hacklabs warmer than the noisy hacklab? 30 degrees or >> at least 28 would be, ahem, cool! > I have another proposal: > > - We put the ACs in all rooms where we have control over the AC > to 25/26°C. > > - If you want to modify this median temperature, please first ask for > agreement in the room. Aim at consensus, not majority decisions. [1] > > - People who want fresh air: go outside! > > - In the evening, and during lunch open the windows for some fresh air. > > - Every evening if you are the last person leaving the room please turn > off the AC's and switch off the lights. Leave the remote control where > it belongs. > > What do you think? > > ♥ > Ulrike > > [1] https://www.seedsforchange.org.uk/shortconsensus >
Re: ♥ Consensus & temperature settings (Re: warmer hacklabs)
On 2018-07-25 23:39, Wookey wrote: > On 2018-07-25 22:49 +0800, Thomas Kuiper wrote: > >> btw I never turn off aircons at night... recooling those walls next day >> would take more energy. > Physics suggests that this is extremely unlikely to be true, unless > there is something very non-linear about the cooling system. Some variables if you want to do a physics equation: - its hot and humid here in summer, even at night. - Buildings unfortunately aren't properly insulated (humidity moves in easy). - Its mostly about humidity not heat. There are colder, cloudy days that have more humidity. - There's other factors of course (if the A/C is smart enough and how it does its cooling cycles) All those factors aren't "linear". This is a great summary too: https://www.quora.com/If-we-turn-off-our-AC-at-night-and-turn-it-on-again-in-the-morning-are-we-wasting-energy But most important, do what makes you comfortable... :-) Thomas
Re: Gandi at the Debconf
Hello, after your feedback we (Gandi.net) are happy to extend the Member Benefits to Debian Maintainers! So both Developers and Maintainers can get our lowest rates. To do so simply send an OpenPGP signed email that is in the Debian Maintainer keyring with your Gandi username/handle to non-pro...@gandi.net https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBenefits#Gandi needs an update ;-) Thanks! Thomas
Re: Gandi at the Debconf
On 2018-07-26 15:57, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: > On 26.07.2018 08:30, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >> Hello, >> >> after your feedback we (Gandi.net) are happy to extend the Member Benefits >> to Debian Maintainers! >> So both Developers and Maintainers can get our lowest rates. > Thank you very much! > >> To do so simply send an OpenPGP signed email that is in the Debian >> Maintainer keyring with your Gandi username/handle to non-pro...@gandi.net >> >> https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBenefits#Gandi needs an update ;-) > Yeah. In any case the information was already partly obsolete. > I migrated to v5, so most of the information are not more valid for my case. > Could you check what are the conditions (we do not have GANDI handler > anymore) and the setting for the new accounts? > > in any case, thank you > cate > Here's my suggestion, we still have handles in V4 for a while :-) DDs should send emails to non-pro...@gandi.net from their @debian.org addresses indicating their Gandi username or handles. DMs should send a OpenPGP signed email to the same address. These need to be personal *-GANDI handles or usernames only (i.e. no company, reseller handles). DDs should set their handles' prepaid account currency as this will expedite provisioning. Gandi will apply discount level 'E'. Thanks! Thomas
Re: Tickets for HSR train from Taoyuan to Hsinchu
On 2018-07-27 11:08, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 11:04:38AM +0800, Taowa wrote: >> Hello, >> >> The reserved seats are, in fact, classed as regular or business. The >> business ticket is ~320 NTD (Taoyuan -> Hsinchu) if I remember right, and >> you get either a window seat or an aisle seat. > Indeed, 'Business' or 'First' or something was the sort of language I > expected to see on the ticket machine but it's just reserved or unreserved, > that's what caught me out. It's probably a translation thing when the > ticket machine is set to English. > > There's three options at the start: Non-reserved, Reserved, Ticket Pick up. Non-reserved can not be Economy/Business so if you want that option select "Reserved". Ticket pick up is if you reserved online/via app. Their app & trains are nicely done by the way. Trains are based on some kind of Shinkansen from Japan. App can buy tickets, you just scan the QR code it generates. Android: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=tw.com.thsrc.texpress&hl=en Thomsa
Re: Gandi at the Debconf
On 2018-07-26 18:29, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 05:07:00PM +0800, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >> >> On 2018-07-26 15:57, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote: >>> On 26.07.2018 08:30, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> after your feedback we (Gandi.net) are happy to extend the Member >>>> Benefits to Debian Maintainers! So both Developers and Maintainers >>>> can get our lowest rates. >>> Thank you very much! >>> >>>> To do so simply send an OpenPGP signed email that is in the Debian >>>> Maintainer keyring with your Gandi username/handle to >>>> non-pro...@gandi.net >>>> >>>> https://wiki.debian.org/MemberBenefits#Gandi needs an update ;-) >>> Yeah. In any case the information was already partly obsolete. I >>> migrated to v5, so most of the information are not more valid for my >>> case. Could you check what are the conditions (we do not have GANDI >>> handler anymore) and the setting for the new accounts? >>> >>> in any case, thank you cate >>> >> Here's my suggestion, we still have handles in V4 for a while :-) >> >> DDs should send emails to non-pro...@gandi.net from their >> @debian.org addresses indicating their Gandi username or handles. DMs >> should send a OpenPGP signed email to the same address. These need to >> be personal *-GANDI handles or usernames only (i.e. no company, >> reseller handles). DDs should set their handles' prepaid account >> currency as this will expedite provisioning. Gandi will apply discount >> level 'E'. > How about: > > DDs and DMs must send an OpenPGP-signed email to non-pro...@gandi.net > indicating your status (Debian Developer or Debian Maintainer) and your > Gandi account's username or handle (personal accounts only; no company > or reseller accounts). To expedite provisioning, set your account's > billing currency before sending the email. Once verified, Gandi will > apply discount level 'E' to the account. > Looks good to me.
Event after Debconf (COSCUP)
Hello, as per https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf18/Events_after If you are interested in attending COSCUP in Taipei on August 11 and/or 12 let me know. We (as sponsor) still got some spare tickets! Thomas
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
Hi, On 2018-08-11 16:01, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 08/11/2018 09:06 AM, Clayton wrote: >> This was my first DebConf and I chose not to offer my last name on the >> registration, or at any point during the conference, and nobody seemed >> bothered. I believe(?) there were some registrants who were entirely >> pseudonymous. If one does not want one's name exposed publicly in an >> online community, then just don't give a real name. > What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large > events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? It depends on the country but I've never had that in Taiwan. Martial law is over since a long time. There's an 'old' "assembly act" but that's for anything political. "Freedom of assembly/association" that exists in most democratic countries means you don't have to keep such lists. > If, for example, an attendee of the conference has a serious accident > and other folk call emergency services, they will have a problem when > asked for the name and street address of an attendee. Or, even worse, > if an attendee died, organizers will not be able to contact someone > from the circle of their family etc. I don't think this falls under the responsibility of the organizers, unless there is a Debconf on a ship or airplane. For such a long conference it makes sense to provide an OPTIONAL emergency contact though! Also there should be people that know how to do CPR at the venue (it can be trained). > Or imagine an attendee commits a felony, you need to be able to > identify them as well. There are probably countless occasions where > it's simply not enough to identify as "trumpet232" at the registration > desk. Why? That's up to the police to investigate. Any Data Protection Assessment (DPA) would show that the mass collection of people's addresses is by far worse than the risk of having someone commit a felony. > I know many people in Debian are a huge fan of high privacy levels, > but there is often actually a valid reason beyond advertisement and > statistics why lists are kept with the name of attendees and people > who demand these high levels of privacy should keep that in mind. > > Some requirements are imposed by the law and/or safety requirements, > so you cannot just ignore them, even if you a "digital native". I would be very interested if you can point those laws out? I'm not aware such stuff exists in Germany (basic law article 8 has freedom of assembly) so does Taiwan (which is a copy/paste from the German basic law). How about Brazil? I'm not a lawyer, but as far as I can tell from their Constitution its a right too: Article 5: [...] 10. the privacy, private life, honour and image of persons are inviolable, and the right to compensation for property or moral damages resulting from their violation is ensured;[...] [...] 16. all persons may hold peaceful meetings, without weapons, in places open to the public, regardless of authorization provided that they do not frustrate another meeting previously called for the same place, subject only to prior notice to the competent authority;[...] As sponsor, we hope that you can collect the absolute minimum amount of data and give the freedom from (risk of) surveillance to attendees. The government sponsor which makes the rule that attendees information must be shared obviously did not do any privacy assessment. For us in Taiwan, it would be interesting to talk with them how it can be avoided in the future. In case the local domain registry (.TW = TWNIC) would held events with us (Gandi) they ask for similar things (including signatures of the attendees!) and that is why we never co-hosted anything with them. ;-) And as Karen Sandler pointed out there's no such thing as 'anonymized' data. Thanks for this interesting discussion, Thomas
Re: Suggestions, questions and concerns about DebConf19?
On 2018-08-11 17:41, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote: > On 08/11/2018 11:03 AM, Thomas Kuiper wrote: >>> What happens in case of an emergency then? Aren't organizers of large >>> events of this type required by law to keep lists of real name? >> It depends on the country but I've never had that in Taiwan. >> Martial law is over since a long time. >> There's an 'old' "assembly act" but that's for anything political. >> "Freedom of assembly/association" that exists in most democratic countries >> means you don't have to keep such lists. > This is a matter of liability. If you have some going crazy and start > demolishing > property at the conference venue, you will most certainly want to have someone > whom you can make pay for it. The procedure is that the police will question him, take his personal information and the venue/organizers may start legal proceedings. You can also sue someone that you don't know the name of. Just because you know their name doesn't mean they will pay either! Liability is something else. So knowing someone's name won't stop vandalism unless you think that someone behaves better cause their name is known... ? > If you're fine with carrying the costs yourself, that's ok. But I think it's > a bit of naive to assume that everyone who attends such a large event is > of good will and nothing will ever happen. no, for such cases there's this thing called third party liability insurance. > This seems to be a typical case of a rule that is not going to be enforced > unless there is going to be the first incident which would have prevented > by it. You know, like these signs at certain beaches where it says "No > swimming.". So far I'm not convinced by knowing someone's name or address changes anything. Otherwise will you have to give your name to someone when you take a bus or go for a swim?! > >>> If, for example, an attendee of the conference has a serious accident >>> and other folk call emergency services, they will have a problem when >>> asked for the name and street address of an attendee. Or, even worse, >>> if an attendee died, organizers will not be able to contact someone >>> from the circle of their family etc. >> I don't think this falls under the responsibility of the organizers, unless >> there is a Debconf on a ship or airplane. >> For such a long conference it makes sense to provide an OPTIONAL emergency >> contact though! >> Also there should be people that know how to do CPR at the venue (it can be >> trained). > So, if you have someone who goes by "trumpet232" and they become so seriously > injured that you need to call an ambulance, you just shrug your shoulders > when it comes to contacting their relatives? No, ideally he has friends at the conference that can identify him. There's also consular offices (in case that is a foreigner) and many other means to identify someone. I'm assuming that the ambulance has the right to search his belongings and find stuff like an ID or credit cards. > From my personal experience, you sometimes need to protect people from > their own mistakes. Especially younger folk will underestimate the > importance of safety precautions. That's what parents or babysitters are for. ;-) . >>> Or imagine an attendee commits a felony, you need to be able to >>> identify them as well. There are probably countless occasions where >>> it's simply not enough to identify as "trumpet232" at the registration >>> desk. >> Why? That's up to the police to investigate. Any Data Protection Assessment >> (DPA) >> would show that the mass collection of people's addresses is by far worse >> than >> the risk of having someone commit a felony. > So, you are saying all this fancy encryption technology with USB keys, > fingerprint sensors and whatnot in the hands of Debian Developers is > not trustworthy enough? Why you think that I'm saying that? I'm pointing out that any collection of private data must have a previous assessment. This is part of the new EU GDPR by the way: https://www.itgovernance.co.uk/privacy-impact-assessment-pia (its PIA btw not DPA, sorry). There's a fine for not doing it now... ;-) I don't get your connection with encryption keys to this issue. > How does it work at your company? Do they also allow just nicknames > for customers and employees and if something happens, you just trust > for the police to investigate this data? Don't you think that the police > or insurance companies will at least say "Hey, why didn't you keep a > record of the p
