Re: [Debconf-discuss] Thinkpad T4x Docking Station

[Steve McIntyre]

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 10:18:22PM -0400, chris-deb...@coredump.us wrote:
>On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:20:06PM -0400, Michael Banck wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> my Thinkpad T42 reboots instantly (with no output) when I try to boot
>> the Xen hypervisor.  I thought maybe it makes sense to wire up a serial
>> console, but a serial port is only available on the docking station/port
>> replicator, which I do not have.
>> 
>> Does anybody have a docking station or port replicator for a T4x or has
>> another idea how to get serial console going?
>
>You can pass an option to the booting kernel to set up a serial console, 
>as well as the serial port speed and stop bits.  Such as this:
>
>   console=ttyS0,38400n8
>
>However from here there's a snag; I don't have my port replicator with 
>me (and I don't think it would matter, as I think the port replicator 
>for the T61 is different than the T42 anyway), and the only other 
>option is to use a USB->serial converter.  That's something I _do_ have 
>with me, however at the point that the kernel is booting it likely 
>won't connect the USB->serial converter, so I'm not sure if you could 
>instead pass something like:
>
>   console=ttyUSB0,38400n8
>
>and actually have it work.

AFAIK it depends on having the serial device built-in and not a module.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Columbia Debian mirror

[Yasuhiro Araki]

Luca and dkg,

Thank you for requesting cdn.d.n updating request.
I just has added mirror.cc.columbia.edu to list of cdn.debian.net.


> But whoever manages cdn.debian.net
> could point that to the columbia mirror for queries from IP  addresses in the 
> 128.59.0.0/16 range.

I hope to support this request. However, it requires to modify
cdn.debian.net's codes. Please wait it.

Regards.

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 5:41 AM, Luca Capello  wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 16:36 -0400, Jimmy Kaplowitz wrote:
>> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 04:24:03PM -0400, Luca Capello wrote:
>> > The problem is the unusual Columbia repository path:
>> >
>> > http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20100729.161958.50a8b2bc.en.html
>> >
>> > I still consider this change a worth request (which I did, without
>> > success, last year for DebConf9 as well), especially to spread
>> > cdn.debian.net use.
>>
>> They now seem to support /debian too, in addition to their unusual one.
>> Presumably that's the result of one of the many requests Debian has made to
>> them recently in relation to DC10.
>
> Jimmy, you made my day, thank you!
>
> Araki-san, would it be possible to add the Columbia University mirror to
> cdn.debian.net, please?
>
> For the debian-mirrors@ people, maybe the Columbia mirror information on
>  should be updated as well.
>
> Thx, bye,
> Gismo / Luca
>



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Lunch now!

[John Goerzen]

On 07/29/2010 04:48 PM, Aaron M. Ucko wrote:
> children (ages three and five) are both below it.  (My family will
> likely be joining me for dinner on August 3.)
>

Sounds like a nice idea.  Mine might too.  Wonder if anyone else has 
family/friends/whatever that would like to have dinner here that evening?

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[Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[John Goerzen]

Hi folks,

One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for 
awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are 
looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few 
months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with 
virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone 
knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Russ Allbery]

John Goerzen  writes:

> One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for
> awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are
> looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few
> months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with
> virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone
> knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?

I'm definitely interested in talking about it, although about the only
information I have to share is our (not great) experience with VMWare
ESXi.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Michael Schultheiss]

John Goerzen wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for 
> awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are 
> looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few 
> months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with 
> virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone 
> knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?

I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Luca Capello]

Hi Alexander!

No need to Cc: me, I read the list, thank you.  Please let me know if it
is the same for you :-)

BTW1, I set Reply-To: to the debconf-discuss@ mailing list, to drop
commun...@lists.debian.ch from the loop, since I do not think it is at
this point useful (and to keep the discussion in a single place).

BTW2, should this be discussed in a more general mailing list?  I have
just realized that there is no general debian-events@ mailing list, so I
do not really know a better place...

BTW3, I cc:ed the official Debian merchandise email address, sorry to
not have done this before.

On Sat, 2010-07-31 at 21:34 +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> Luca Capello schrieb am Saturday, den 31. July 2010:
> > The description contains a list of all merchandise we have/had, i.e.:
> > 
> > - backpacks
> > Debian Brasil
> > - foilstickers
> > Alexander Wirt
> > Debian Brasil
> > debian.ch
> > - mugs
> > Debian Brasil
>   Alexander Wirt
> > - pins
> > Debian Brasil
> > debian.ch
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Frozen Mugs
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Caps 
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Frisbees 
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Sweatshirts
>   Alexander Wirt
> - Long Sleeves
>   Alexander Wirt

Thank you for the full list, I updated the wiki page.

I have also created a DebConf10-specific wiki page for stuff to be
discussed during the BoF:

  http://wiki.debian.org/Merchandise/BoFDebConf10

Thx, bye,
Gismo / Luca


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Yaroslav Halchenko]

On Sun, 01 Aug 2010, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> > virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone 
> > knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?
> I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
> schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
> wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.
I would be interested too.  I have only limited experience with
virtualization (vserver, qemu and VirtualBox [1]), so would be glad if
someone (or end-product of BoF would be) comes up with a good summary

[1] http://neuro.debian.net/vm.html
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[Debconf-discuss] Setting up APs in the dorms...

[Christian PERRIER]

Something I wanted to share and get advice about:

In the room I share with Jean-Baptiste, we did set up a small AP for
our own use so that we don't have Ethernet cables flowing around the
room.

I initially set it as "bubulle" for ESSID and a private WPA2 pwd.

Yesterday, I changed this to "debconf" and the password that's used in
hacklabs.

Would you guys see this as a problem or more an option offerred to our
neighbours to use this facility for their own use? I'm inclined to
think the latter, but I may have skipped some possible concerns.

If that seems OK, I think that encouraging the same would help
"covering" the dorms and help people there to get their connection
setup.


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: maps link for morning run on Aug 1st

[Iustin Pop]

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 03:35:47PM -0400, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> For tomorrow's morning run, I propose going through Riverside Park
> down along the Hudson River, via the "Hudson Greenway". That involves
> going through 114th St west for two blocks, then follow Riverside Park
> and cross Henry Hudson Pkwy when possible to reach the Hudson
> Greenway.
> 
> Then follow it down as long as we want..:-)

FYI, there were 4 people this morning, and we run ~6.6KM in total, down
to a harbour and back.

Google maps link:
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=110149481690980898742.00048cc6bb5a34014110b&z=14

regards,
iustin
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Gaudenz Steinlin]

Excerpts from Michael Schultheiss's message of Son Aug 01 11:03:23 -0400 2010:
> John Goerzen wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for 
> > awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are 
> > looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few 
> > months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with 
> > virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone 
> > knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?
> 
> I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
> schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
> wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.

I would be interested as well. I switch from XEN to KVM with libvirt
when upgrading from etch to lenny.

Gaudenz
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 11:03 AM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> John Goerzen wrote:
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for
>> awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are
>> looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few
>> months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with
>> virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone
>> knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?
>
> I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
> schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
> wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.

It sounds like there's a fair bit of support for having an on-schedule 
BoF about virtualization.  Is it OK with The Powers That Be (TM) to do 
that at this date?  If not, something on the ad-hoc board would still be 
great.  Thanks for your help.  (Will you go ahead and schedule something 
one way or other?)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 11:03 AM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
> schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
> wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.

Is it possible to link to the ad-hoc event list from the main schedule 
at http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/index.en.html ?

The link, FYI, is:

http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/AdHocSessions

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[Debconf-discuss] noisy hacklab x quiet hacklab

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hey all, I've seen in past debconfs a kind of natural consensus having a noisy
hacklab and a quiet (actually a not-so-noisy) one.

As it hasn't naturally happened (yet) this year I'm doing such 'proposal'.

Considering we have some orga stuff in Carleton I think that CS hacklab would
be the best choice for a not-so-noisy environment.

Also, if you feel cold in Carleton, try CS! The temperature here is a little
warmer, very nice :)

Regards,

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Michael Schultheiss]

John Goerzen wrote:
> On 08/01/2010 11:03 AM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> > I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
> > schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
> > wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.
> 
> Is it possible to link to the ad-hoc event list from the main schedule 
> at http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/index.en.html ?
> 
> The link, FYI, is:
> 
> http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/AdHocSessions

Once scheduled, the ad-hoc events should show up in the schedule.

I've tentatitively proposed the Virtualization BOF for 2010-08-03 from
11:30-12:25 in 414 Schapiro.
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[Debconf-discuss] init systems ad-hoc/BoF

[Jameson Rollins]

Hi, folks.  I know there's a scheduled BoF on upstart [0], but I was
wondering if there is any interest in a separate ad-hoc or BoF on Debian
init systems in general, and what we can expect for the future.  I'm
personally particularly interested in runit, and how to encourage wider
adoption, but I'm also keenly interested in what we might be considering
as a sysV replacement.  Could the upstart BoF expand to include
discussions of other init systems, or should we try to schedule
something separate (if there's any interest)?  Let me know, and if
there's enough interest, I'll try to put something together.

jamie.

[0] http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/635.en.html


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Jose Antonio Quevedo Muñoz]

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Hi there,

I'm another attendant interested in virtualization solutions like KVM
and Xen and if you prepare a BoF around this issue I'll join you, sure!

On 08/01/10 20:19, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
> John Goerzen wrote:
>> On 08/01/2010 11:03 AM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
>>> I propozed a Virtualization BoF but it was rejected from the official
>>> schedule partly due to the lack of a Debian focus in my proposal.  I
>>> wouldn't mind scheduling an ad-hoc Virtualization session.
>>
>> Is it possible to link to the ad-hoc event list from the main schedule 
>> at http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/index.en.html ?
>>
>> The link, FYI, is:
>>
>> http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/AdHocSessions
> 
> Once scheduled, the ad-hoc events should show up in the schedule.
> 
> I've tentatitively proposed the Virtualization BOF for 2010-08-03 from
> 11:30-12:25 in 414 Schapiro.
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[Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: morning run planned Aug 2nd 7:30am...or 7:00am

[Christian PERRIER]

For tomorrow's morning run, I propose going through Riverside Park
to north, this time, up to George Washington Bridge (that links
Manhattan to New Jersey over the Hudson river).

The run will involve crossing Hudson by using the bridge and (I
guess), get spectacular views of Manhattan.

That would be a longer run than usually (according to Google Maps,
9.5miles back and forth, so 15km).

Therefore, I propose two options:

- leaving at 7am and run about 6'/km so that we run for 1.5hours, plus
keep about 10 minutes for sightseeing and/or rest, and
be able to be back on time *and showered* for Zack's "Bits from the
DPL" talk

- leaving at 7:30am and run quite faster with less sightseeing and
rest. That would be about 5'15"/km.

Please let me know if you might want to join and what option you'd
choose so that I can decide about these two options before
tonight. Please do so by following up in the ML.


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[Debconf-discuss] BoF: RC bug squashing (campaign) - minutes

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 12:34:23PM -0400, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Hi everybody, it wouldn't be nice to campaign for preparing BoF in
> advance and not doing it for a BoF I've submitted myself!  So, if you
> are interested in fixing RC bugs and in SPAM-ing planet about your
> initiatives in that direction, then you're also invited to attend:
> 
>   RC bug fixing + NMU = Fun
>   http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/609.en.html

It looks like that Gobby-based collaborative minutes taking has worked
pretty well for this BoF! It did help to ask Gregor to act as "minute
master", but a lot of other people have contributed in taking
notes. Thanks to everybody who has contributed!

I attach the BoF notes to this post.
I've also uploaded them as an attachment to the event in Penta (although
the public page linked above has not been rebuilt yet).

Cheers.

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sempre uno zaino ...| ..: | Je dis tu à tous ceux que j'aime
RC bug fixing + NMU = Fun
2010-08-01, Davis Auditorium

* do you have NMU (campaign) experiences? good or bad ones?   
* advertising NMU campaign: useful or just SPAM?
* is the goal of ``more collaborative'' RC-fix worthwhile?
* how can we motivate people to do more NMUs?
* (how) should we communicate about NMU campaigns?
* are current NMU rules (devref §5.11.1) good enough?
  is LowThresholdNMU useful anymore?
* do we need an ``NMU'' equivalent for package removals?
* provocation: as an NMU-er, is Maintainer a feature or a bug?

Experiences:
tmancill: differences between packages of active vs. inactive maintainers
which changes are appropriate for NMUs?
don: unmaintained packages --> MIA or RM or QA (RM often hard to decide: is 
someone still using that pkg?, there is popcon to at least give an impression) 
(if no one is maintaining it, then removal is sometimes better than being 
unmaintained)

marks: exclusivity bad, but contact point necessay
jeremiah: teams (pkg-perl) works, collabaration, share responsibility

maxy: Its a nice feature to have an ultimate maintainer (or group), to rely on 
fixing problems in the long run, specially in large packages. But, there is a 
number of packages, that having no maintainer would actually help them and the 
user.


Q : How many NMU packages installed on zack's system ?
???: How many NMU packages do we have now in the Archive ?
About 5% in an example system (how about sharign the script that produced that?)
aptitude search '~V.*nmu*' | wc -l  shows 67, not sure how accurate
About 3.6% on an other Debian mixed system.

gaudenz: is anyone using the LowNMUThreshold list 
(http://wiki.debian.org/LowThresholdNmu) ? -- a handful of people raise their 
hands

"NMU" for removals? RoQA <-> who feels entitled to do this (no experience in QA 
work)

bubulle: LowThresholdNMU: outdated, needs online access, ... if we want 
something then _in_ the package (switch for dput)

Sylvestre: NMUs <-> VCS? VCSes not relevant at the moment. do we need something 
special? for VCS-users commits might be convenient

Q: are you responsible for bugs in packages after NMU? automation? "bts 
subscribe" "pts-subscribe" commands (devscripts)

lucas: NMU process is quite simple, checking VCSes would make it more complex, 
maintainer's responsibility to integrate the patch

finding NMU-able candidates is not always easy?
http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/rcbugs.cgi
http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=sid&sortby=packages&ignhinted=on&ignclaimed=on&ignnew=on&ignsec=on&ignpending=on&igncontrib=on&ignnonfree=on&ignbritney=on&ignotherfixed=on&fullcomment=on&new=7&refresh=1800
^ http://tinyurl.com/36uyhd4
Interesting stats from UDD about "packages maintained with NMUs": 
http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/bapase.cgi?t=nmu

bubulle: experience: NMUs are welcomed in any area. good communication crucial. 
(first email is the most important)

pabs: experience: I stopped doing NMUs and especially QA uploads because I 
found they aren't useful to Debian since many of the packages I worked on were 
just removed from the archive some months afterwards.

bubulle: experience (bis). Even when such things happened, Debian benefited 
from it as I improved my own skills and knowledge while doing that..:-)

rules: devref 5.1.11 [all NMUs allowed with DELAYED/10]

Suggestion : Add comments on policy preferred by the maintainer in 
README.Source ?

(too late) Question : How to help non-maintainers/DD to NMU ?
still interested
maybe build a team of NMU sponsors,but that's already done elsewhere in some way
--> send patch to BTS, there are people looking at RC bugs with patches


General consensus among people who shared their experiences during the BoF:
- NMU are nowadays generally, albeit not in all cases, *welcome* by package 
maintainers
- that is even more so when fixing R

Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: morning run planned Aug 2nd 7:30am...or 7:00am

[Iustin Pop]

On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 02:48:16PM -0400, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> For tomorrow's morning run, I propose going through Riverside Park
> to north, this time, up to George Washington Bridge (that links
> Manhattan to New Jersey over the Hudson river).
> 
> The run will involve crossing Hudson by using the bridge and (I
> guess), get spectacular views of Manhattan.
> 
> That would be a longer run than usually (according to Google Maps,
> 9.5miles back and forth, so 15km).

I can already see the double-breakfast I'll need after :)

> Therefore, I propose two options:
> 
> - leaving at 7am and run about 6'/km so that we run for 1.5hours, plus
> keep about 10 minutes for sightseeing and/or rest, and
> be able to be back on time *and showered* for Zack's "Bits from the
> DPL" talk

This is fine for me… And in any case, I like earlier runs :)

> - leaving at 7:30am and run quite faster with less sightseeing and
> rest. That would be about 5'15"/km.

I cannot maintain 5'15"/km for more than 6-8 km (or maybe 10 at most),
so I couldn't participate.

thanks for organizing these runs!
iustin
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 02:19 PM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
We discussed alternative times on IRC, as this conflicts with Puppet and 
many other enterprise topics are that day.

Some alternatives are 9:30 or 5:00 on Aug 5, or 5:00 on Aug. 6.  Thoughts?



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: morning run planned Aug 2nd 7:30am...or 7:00am

[Gunnar Wolf]

Christian PERRIER dijo [Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 02:48:16PM -0400]:
> (...)
> - leaving at 7am and run about 6'/km so that we run for 1.5hours, plus
> keep about 10 minutes for sightseeing and/or rest, and
> be able to be back on time *and showered* for Zack's "Bits from the
> DPL" talk
> 
> - leaving at 7:30am and run quite faster with less sightseeing and
> rest. That would be about 5'15"/km.
> 
> Please let me know if you might want to join and what option you'd
> choose so that I can decide about these two options before
> tonight. Please do so by following up in the ML.

I am interested. Now, you saw my pace, I don't think I'll be able to
hold 5'15"/Km for long. I won't do the full 15Km for sure (my level is
closer to ~7Km as of now)... So I'd go for the earlier one and leave
you at some point before you cross the bridge.

Greetings,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Gunnar Wolf]

John Goerzen dijo [Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 10:24:30AM -0400]:
> Hi folks,
> 
> One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for 
> awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are 
> looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few 
> months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with 
> virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone 
> knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?

I would not say I'm so knowledgeable, but am currently relying on
KVM and a mixture of vserver and openvz (migrating my vservers to
openvz). It is an interesting topic, so if Michael requestes the
ad-hoc session, I'll schedule it (and surely try to attend).
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Some quieter bars and cafes

[Jonathan Wiltshire]

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 02:51:25PM -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote:
> I have scoped out a few places and asked around for bars and cafes in
> the area that are quieter.
> 
> One bar is Amsterdam restaurant:
> 
> http://www.amsterdamrestaurant.com/
> 

We visited Amsterdam restarurant last night in desperation, and
found:

 - draft ales
 - excellent food
 - wall power by tables
 - free wireless, no key required

There was fairly loud music by midnight though, so it may be just quiet in
the day time.


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Some quieter bars and cafes

[tony mancill]

On 08/01/2010 03:40 PM, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 02:51:25PM -0400, Gabriella Coleman wrote:
>> I have scoped out a few places and asked around for bars and cafes in
>> the area that are quieter.
>>
>> One bar is Amsterdam restaurant:
>>
>> http://www.amsterdamrestaurant.com/
>>
> 
> We visited Amsterdam restarurant last night in desperation, and
> found:
> 
>  - draft ales
>  - excellent food
>  - wall power by tables
>  - free wireless, no key required
> 
> There was fairly loud music by midnight though, so it may be just quiet in
> the day time.

+1

I had a nice quiet meal there yesterday afternoon ~18:00.



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Some quieter bars and cafes

[Hector Oron]

Hello,

> We visited Amsterdam restarurant last night in desperation, and
> found:
> 
>  - draft ales
>  - excellent food
>  - wall power by tables
>  - free wireless, no key required
> 
> There was fairly loud music by midnight though, so it may be just quiet in
> the day time.

I do not remember very well.. ;-)
... but yes, seems like a great place.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Michael Prokop]

* John Goerzen  [Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 03:23:27PM -0400]:
> On 08/01/2010 02:19 PM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:

> We discussed alternative times on IRC, as this conflicts with Puppet and 
> many other enterprise topics are that day.

> Some alternatives are 9:30 or 5:00 on Aug 5, or 5:00 on Aug. 6.  Thoughts?

Please not 5:00 on Aug 5 as this would conflict with my talk (about
Linux live systems) and I'd like to attend the Virtualization meeting.

Friday (Aug. 6) conflicts with Perl and Debian-Live meetings (I plan
to attend the Debian-Live meeting), so I'd highly prefer 9:30 on Aug 5
if possible.

regards,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] BoF best practices (Notmuch, Math Software)

[David Bremner]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:37:05 -0400, Stefano Zacchiroli  wrote:
> That is quite simple to achieve. It just takes the BoF coordinator to prepare
> some
> [**working 
> questions**](http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20080712.235543.c0310e7e.en.html)
> and/or *detailed* discussion topics, and advertise them as such. That way
> potential participants can make up their minds, recall experiences that they
> want to share, note down comments they want to bring into the discussion,
> etc.

After some consultation on IRC, I started an Unofficial/Talks hierarchy
on the debconf wiki for just this purpose.  For the BoF's I am
coordinating on notmuch [1] and mathematical software [2], I encourage
people to edit the pages and or/send me email/IRC comments (
da...@tethera.net / bremner on oftc).

David

[1]: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf10/Unofficial/Talks/Notmuch
[2]: 
http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf10/Unofficial/Talks/MathematicalSoftware
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] BoF best practices (Notmuch, Math Software)

[Sylvestre Ledru]

Hello David,

Le dimanche 01 août 2010 à 11:42 -0400, David Bremner a écrit :
> On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 20:37:05 -0400, Stefano Zacchiroli  
> wrote:
> > That is quite simple to achieve. It just takes the BoF coordinator to 
> > prepare
> > some
> > [**working 
> > questions**](http://lists.debconf.org/lurker/message/20080712.235543.c0310e7e.en.html)
> > and/or *detailed* discussion topics, and advertise them as such. That way
> > potential participants can make up their minds, recall experiences that they
> > want to share, note down comments they want to bring into the discussion,
> > etc.
> 
> After some consultation on IRC, I started an Unofficial/Talks hierarchy
> on the debconf wiki for just this purpose.  For the BoF's I am
> coordinating on notmuch [1] and mathematical software [2], I encourage
> people to edit the pages and or/send me email/IRC comments (
> da...@tethera.net / bremner on oftc).
About this talk, don't you think it is a bit redundant with the "Debian
Science Round Table" and "Overall presentation of the Debian Science" (I
was planning some open discussions at the end of my presentation) ?
Maybe we could merge the Round table and the BoF about mathematical
software ?

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[Debconf-discuss] Laundry at debconf10

[geoffc]

Anyone know if there are washing machines in carman, or nearby?
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laundry at debconf10

[Paul Wise]

On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 4:46 PM,   wrote:

> Anyone know if there are washing machines in carman, or nearby?

Yes: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Welcome#Dorms

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laundry at debconf10

[Hector Oron]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 06:46:14AM +1000, geo...@trinity.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
> Anyone know if there are washing machines in carman, or nearby?

http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Laundry

Cheers,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laundry at debconf10

[Jonny Lamb]

On Mon, Aug 02, 06:46:14 +1000, geo...@trinity.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
> Anyone know if there are washing machines in carman, or nearby?

Yes.

http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/Laundry

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debian Merchandise BoF?

[Didier Raboud]

On Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:15:58 -0400, Luca Capello  wrote:
> Hi there or, better, here :-)
> 
> (...)
> 
> Moreover, since debian.ch will also produce quite soon a Debian (not
> debian.ch) Swiss army knife (Victorinox, not Wenger), it would be a good
> idea to discuss about which type of knife people would prefer:
> 
> http://lists.debian.ch/commun...@lists.debian.ch/2010/msg1.html
> 
> I set the R-T to debconf-discuss@ (the Evolution custom header insertion
> seems not to work), thus please check if you need to reply to other
> addresses.
> 
> Thx, bye,
> Gismo / Luca

Hi there, 

as the former responsible (and now unfortunately out-of-time) of the
Debian.ch Swiss army knife process, I would really have apreciated to
discuss the matter with you all, but unfortunately the planned schedule is
somehow the worst for me: I'll be in a plane back home. So have a nice chat
people !

Cheers, 

OdyX
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Laundry at debconf10

[Moritz Muehlenhoff]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 06:46:14AM +1000, geo...@trinity.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
> Anyone know if there are washing machines in carman, or nearby?

In Carman there're both coin-operated laundary machines and dryers. One load
costs five quarters each. Detergent is available for 2-4 quarters from a
vending machine.

Cheers,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] BoF best practices (Notmuch, Math Software)

[Jameson Rollins]

On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 11:42:12 -0400, David Bremner  wrote:
> After some consultation on IRC, I started an Unofficial/Talks hierarchy
> on the debconf wiki for just this purpose.  For the BoF's I am
> coordinating on notmuch [1] and mathematical software [2], I encourage
> people to edit the pages and or/send me email/IRC comments (
> da...@tethera.net / bremner on oftc).
...
> [1]: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Debconf10/Unofficial/Talks/Notmuch

Hey, David.  I think the notmuch BoF is "official", right?  It's
certainly on the schedule as such.  And I thought I already saw a wiki
page for it, but maybe I was mistaken (since I can't find it at the
moment)...

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 04:08 PM, Michael Prokop wrote:
> * John Goerzen  [Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 03:23:27PM -0400]:
>> On 08/01/2010 02:19 PM, Michael Schultheiss wrote:
>
>> We discussed alternative times on IRC, as this conflicts with Puppet and
>> many other enterprise topics are that day.
>
>> Some alternatives are 9:30 or 5:00 on Aug 5, or 5:00 on Aug. 6.  Thoughts?
>
> Please not 5:00 on Aug 5 as this would conflict with my talk (about
> Linux live systems) and I'd like to attend the Virtualization meeting.
>
> Friday (Aug. 6) conflicts with Perl and Debian-Live meetings (I plan
> to attend the Debian-Live meeting), so I'd highly prefer 9:30 on Aug 5
> if possible.

9:30 on Aug 5 sounds good.

>
> regards,
> -mika-

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Michael Schultheiss]

John Goerzen wrote:
> 9:30 on Aug 5 sounds good.

Works for me - I've updated the wiki.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Virtualization?

[Michael Schultheiss]

Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> John Goerzen dijo [Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 10:24:30AM -0400]:
> > Hi folks,
> > 
> > One topic of interest to me is virtualization.  We've been using Xen for 
> > awhile, and have had some issues with its state in squeeze, and are 
> > looking at KVM.  There was a big discussion on -devel about this a few 
> > months back.  I'd be interested in hearing what others are doing with 
> > virtualization and where we see it heading in Debian.  Is anyone 
> > knowledgeable about these things here, and willing to share?
> 
> I would not say I'm so knowledgeable, but am currently relying on
> KVM and a mixture of vserver and openvz (migrating my vservers to
> openvz). It is an interesting topic, so if Michael requestes the
> ad-hoc session, I'll schedule it (and surely try to attend).

We've rescheduled based on consensus - please sechedule this ad-hoc
session on day 5 (2010-08-05) in 414 Schapiro, 09:30-10:25 per the wiki.


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[Debconf-discuss] Debconf runners: morning run planned Aug 2nd 7:00am

[Christian PERRIER]

(re-sending this with a definitive schedule, after the two answers I
got. Sorry for the late annoucement)

For tomorrow's morning run, I propose going through Riverside Park
to north, this time, up to George Washington Bridge (that links
Manhattan to New Jersey over the Hudson river).

The run will involve crossing Hudson by using the bridge and (I
guess), get spectacular views of Manhattan.

That would be a longer run than usually (according to Google Maps,
9.5miles back and forth, so 15km).

We'll be leaving at 7am and run about 6'/km so that we run for
1.5hours, plus keep about 10 minutes for sightseeing and/or rest, and
be able to be back on time *and showered* for Zack's "Bits from the
DPL" talk

So far, Iustin Pop and Gunnar Wolf confirmed their attendance to whole
or part of the run. I expect my "compadre" Noèl to also show up, but I
haven't seen him for the entire day. I hope he didn't sunk during
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[Debconf-discuss] Cheese, Wine material (and other stuff) for tomorrow's Cheese and Wine party

[Christian PERRIER]

In order for all the needed material to be ready on time for the C&W
party (that will happen tomorrow MONDAY at 9pm in Havemeyer building),
I will setup some "cheese trips" to the place we'll be hosting the
party.

These "cheese trips" will happen at the following hours:

- 10:45
- 11:45
- 12:45
- 13:45
- 14:45
- 15:45
- 16:45
- 17:45

So, people who brought cheese, or wine, or any other stuff meant for
the C&W, please meet me outside Mudd (the Hacklab building) with your
material. We will then go to Havemeyer and put the stuff either in the
fridge or in the kitchen *and identify it (preferrably name *and*
country of origin).

Please pass the message on to people who you're thinking are *not*
reading this mailing list.

People who registered as volunteers to help setting things up, please
gather (still at Mudd) at 19:00. Registering your name on
http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf10/CheeseWineBoF would be
nice. Bringing a good knife for cutting cheese would be nice, too, if
you have one.

In case you have trouble spotting me, I'm afraid that googling for my
name brings tons of photos out of which
http://planet.debian.net/heads/bubulle.png is the most recent and the
only where I'm wearing those glasses I got last year.




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[Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[Michael Shuler]

I volunteered to add an AdHoc Session and I'm thinking about the time
slot just prior to the main KSP session on Friday evening - opinions?
(it's a related topic and after looking through the rest of the
schedule, I don't wish to step on any other talks)

The Carman dorm basement was suggested as a possibly good place to hold
the KSP (not final, yet), so I'd like to have this BoF in the same location.

Discussion / debate could be about what are good best practices for key
security, subkey usage, smartcards and USB keys, expiration, etc.

I am not an expert on the topic, so would enjoy learning more about how
people manage their digital identity - you interested?  :)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 11:03 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> I volunteered to add an AdHoc Session and I'm thinking about the time
> slot just prior to the main KSP session on Friday evening - opinions?
> (it's a related topic and after looking through the rest of the
> schedule, I don't wish to step on any other talks)
>
> The Carman dorm basement was suggested as a possibly good place to hold
> the KSP (not final, yet), so I'd like to have this BoF in the same location.

My understanding is that those of us that are staying off-campus aren't 
permitted in the dorms, so that may not work out so well.  Is that an 
incorrect assumption?
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[Chris Knadle]

On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 10:35:43PM -0400, John Goerzen wrote:
> On 08/01/2010 11:03 PM, Michael Shuler wrote:
> > I volunteered to add an AdHoc Session and I'm thinking about the time
> > slot just prior to the main KSP session on Friday evening - opinions?
> > (it's a related topic and after looking through the rest of the
> > schedule, I don't wish to step on any other talks)
> >
> > The Carman dorm basement was suggested as a possibly good place to hold
> > the KSP (not final, yet), so I'd like to have this BoF in the same location.
> 
> My understanding is that those of us that are staying off-campus aren't 
> permitted in the dorms, so that may not work out so well.  Is that an 
> incorrect assumption?

Yes, my understanding is that in order to enter a dorm, you have to have 
a key for that dorm.  Carman hall there is a security guard that swipes 
each key upon entry.

  -- Chris



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[Judit Foglszinger]

> My understanding is that those of us that are staying off-campus aren't
> permitted in the dorms, so that may not work out so well.  Is that an
> incorrect assumption?
The policy, they told to me was:
You can enter, but someone staying there has to sign you in,
and you must give an ID to the guard. 
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[Adrian Knoth]

On Mon, Aug 02, 2010 at 04:44:33AM +0200, Judit Foglszinger wrote:
> > My understanding is that those of us that are staying off-campus aren't
> > permitted in the dorms, so that may not work out so well.  Is that an
> > incorrect assumption?
> The policy, they told to me was:
> You can enter, but someone staying there has to sign you in,
> and you must give an ID to the guard. 

Which, in the end, would make the guard the perfect person to participate
in the key signing. ;) SCNR


Anyway, according to a post earlier this week, it's best to avoid
"foreigners" in the dorms. So better choose an open location.


Just my €0.02

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[Debconf-discuss] Debconf10 Schedule App for Android

[Michael Prokop]

Hi,

one developer in my Grml team decided to take the fosdem-android app
and adjust it for Debconf10. This means that there's an Android
application available to check out the official event schedule.

It provides offline support, you can create your own schedule with
favourites and get notifcations for them, search through talks,...

Download and more details about the app (including its source code)
is available at:

  http://dc10.spamt.net/

PS: If you want to see the app in action feel free to ping me in
RL, I'll be happy to show it to you.

regards,
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] BoF best practices (Notmuch, Math Software)

[David Bremner]

On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 17:37:10 -0400, Jameson Rollins 
 wrote:
> 
> Hey, David.  I think the notmuch BoF is "official", right?  It's
> certainly on the schedule as such.  And I thought I already saw a wiki
> page for it, but maybe I was mistaken (since I can't find it at the
> moment)...

Err yes. The BoF is official, but the wiki page is not. Blame
Ganneff. More seriously we didn't want to start creating hierarchies
that interfered with the orga team's efforts.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf10 Schedule App for Android

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 11:09 PM, Michael Prokop wrote:
>http://dc10.spamt.net/

Awesome.  Thanks!  I had been trying to get Google Calendar to subscribe 
to the iCal feed, but without success.  this is nice to have.

-- John


>
> PS: If you want to see the app in action feel free to ping me in
> RL, I'll be happy to show it to you.
>
> regards,
> -mika-
>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG Key Management Best Practices BoF

[Jameson Rollins]

On Sun, 01 Aug 2010 22:03:36 -0500, Michael Shuler  
wrote:
> I volunteered to add an AdHoc Session and I'm thinking about the time
> slot just prior to the main KSP session on Friday evening - opinions?
> (it's a related topic and after looking through the rest of the
> schedule, I don't wish to step on any other talks)
> 
> The Carman dorm basement was suggested as a possibly good place to hold
> the KSP (not final, yet), so I'd like to have this BoF in the same location.
> 
> Discussion / debate could be about what are good best practices for key
> security, subkey usage, smartcards and USB keys, expiration, etc.
> 
> I am not an expert on the topic, so would enjoy learning more about how
> people manage their digital identity - you interested?  :)

Hey, Michael.  Thanks so much for putting this together.  I have some
experience with key management, and I'll happily attend, assuming that
whatever time we come up with doesn't conflict with any previous
engagements.  Friday morning is the only time that certainly won't work
for me.  Friday evening before the keysigning could work, though.

jamie.


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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf10 Schedule App for Android

[Michael Shuler]

Oh thank you!  Perfect.

John Goerzen  wrote:

>On 08/01/2010 11:09 PM, Michael Prokop wrote:
>>http://dc10.spamt.net/
>
>Awesome.  Thanks!  I had been trying to get Google Calendar to subscribe 
>to the iCal feed, but without success.  this is nice to have.
>
>-- John
>
>
>>
>> PS: If you want to see the app in action feel free to ping me in
>> RL, I'll be happy to show it to you.
>>
>> regards,
>> -mika-
>>
>>
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Debconf10 Schedule App for Android

[John Goerzen]

On 08/01/2010 11:09 PM, Michael Prokop wrote:
> Hi,
>
> one developer in my Grml team decided to take the fosdem-android app
> and adjust it for Debconf10. This means that there's an Android
> application available to check out the official event schedule.

Could I add a feature request?  I'd like to be able to see all events, 
regardless of room or tack, for a particular day, organized by time.  To 
ansewr the questions "what will I do at 2:00" or "where will I go now".

-- Jo
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