Re: [Debconf-discuss] Paying Renfe with VISA (was: How to get the "web" rate for Madrid... )
Hi, I managed to buy renfe tickets with my (german) VISA card and I also experienced failures to validate the (same) card. There were sometimes other failures too. Buying at the trainstation OTOH always worked for me so far :-) all websites are broken, regards, Holger signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG keysigning?
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:11:54PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Sami Liedes wrote: > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:43:53AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > Perhaps it would be good enough to have the public > > > checksum-checking part of the keysigning party very early on in > > > Debconf, and then do the signing later on during meals, where > > > there would be an opportunity for more informal interaction to > > > establish identity, etc. beyond the 20 seconds or so that you have > > > during a mass keysigning. > > > > That's a compromise of some kind. I don't think it's necessary the > > best possible compromise, though. There seem to be two conflicting > > needs here, which both seem to me to have some importance: > > > > a) That the ID check needs to be more than casual, and the nature of > > a mass key signing party often results in lax checks; > > > > b) That a strong WOT is a strongly connected WOT, with lots of > > (proper) signatures. > > You can't have b without a. And it's very difficult to do (a) in a > large setting. Plus, we might as well bring in the social interactions > that doing (a) properly entails, and a place to do that which is less > time restricted is probably better. > > That said, we can always do a massive key signing if it doesn't work > out. Firstly, my apologies for opening this can of worms. Having said that, I like Don's idea a lot. Perhaps it would be worth setting up a system to generate the list of DebConf attendees furthest from one's own key in the WoT, to give people targets to hunt down, while tightening the WoT most efficiently. Cheers, ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Paying Renfe with VISA (was: How to get the "web" rate for Madrid... )
On Sat, 2009-06-27 at 10:45 +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi, > > I managed to buy renfe tickets with my (german) VISA card and I also > experienced failures to validate the (same) card. There were sometimes other > failures too. I had some problems trying to buy my tickets with my Mastercard too, but when I went back a few hours later it worked. I figured it was just failing a timeout getting authorisation from my bank. The RTT from New Zealand to Europe is such that that sort of thing is not unusual. Cheers, Andrew. andrew (AT) morphoss (DOT) com+64(272)DEBIAN Today is the first day of the rest of your life. signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Paying Renfe with VISA (was: How to get the "web" rate for Madrid... )
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:04:46PM +1200, Andrew McMillan wrote: > I had some problems trying to buy my tickets with my Mastercard too, but > when I went back a few hours later it worked. I figured it was just > failing a timeout getting authorisation from my bank. The RTT from New > Zealand to Europe is such that that sort of thing is not unusual. I can assure that I tried from different network connections (to make sure that not some stupid proxy / content filter is influencing things) and on different hours / days / weeks with always the same result. Wait - when I did my last try I was not even able to reach the paying site - the form refused my passport number. :- Are we really in Europe in year 2009? Why do I think calling a penguin in Antarctica and asking him for a lift to the next penguin colony might be easier than booking a bus ticket via web form? Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] Paying Renfe with VISA
On 2009-06-27 10:45, Holger Levsen wrote: > I managed to buy renfe tickets with my (german) VISA card and I also > experienced failures to validate the (same) card. There were sometimes other > failures too. "Tarjeta no soportada por el sistema. Intentelo con otro medio de pago." I will buy the maldito boleto in a travel agency, but this means Estrella tarif plus service instead of Web tarif, i.e. 89.60 Euro instead of 51.70 Euro. ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG keysigning?
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 10:53:18 +0100, Philip Hands wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:11:54PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009, Sami Liedes wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:43:53AM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> > > > Perhaps it would be good enough to have the public
> > > > checksum-checking part of the keysigning party very early on in
> > > > Debconf, and then do the signing later on during meals, where
> > > > there would be an opportunity for more informal interaction to
> > > > establish identity, etc. beyond the 20 seconds or so that you have
> > > > during a mass keysigning.
[..]
> Having said that, I like Don's idea a lot.
I agree that the idea of a "constant-KSP-during-meals" has some
charm; the only drawback I see is that it requires carrying around
the list and one's passport all the time which I usually tend to
avoid. - But I'd be willing to try this format.
Cheers,
gregor
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Paying Renfe with VISA (was: How to get the "web" rate for Madrid... )
Holger Levsen dijo [Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 10:45:50AM +0200]: > Hi, > > I managed to buy renfe tickets with my (german) VISA card and I also > experienced failures to validate the (same) card. There were sometimes other > failures too. > > Buying at the trainstation OTOH always worked for me so far :-) The RENfE site is broken on so many levels it makes me want to cry :-( I tried to get the following route: July 17, 22:00: Madrid -> Cáceres July 31, 01:53 Cáceres -> Lisboa August 1, 22:30 Lisboa -> Madrid I was, however, only able to buy the last ticket. Yes, I know having only one day in Lisbon might be stupid - But it's more than what I have ever been there ;-) and it saves me two nights of hotel. Anyway - Except for the third part, I have always got "Error en plaza 1 = Error al obtener precios de plaza (G001-V510)" (basically, the system complains it cannot fetch the requested prices). If I change from Web/Estrella to Regular fares, the error disappears. This smells to me they have sold all the available tickets on this price range. I strongly prefer trains to buses, but I strongly prefer buses to staying on Madrid instead of getting to Cáceres on my arrival day, or to paying almost twice the tariff... So I also ended up buying a bus ticket from Madrid to Cáceres (www.avanzabus.com). I will see how to move from Cáceres to Lisbon once I am there. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] using OpenPGP notations to indicate keysigning practices
Ana Guerrero dijo [Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 12:04:37PM +0200]: > On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 06:23:31PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > > For example, I think US drivers' licenses are only verifiable by someone > > who's lived in that state or otherwise seen drivers' licenses from that > > state. I really dislike seeing people use them at key signings and > > would rather see people use passports. I suspect you're going to see a > > ton of them in the 2010 Debconf key signing, though, since a lot of > > people in the US simply never bother to get a passport. > > > > FWIW, you will see plenty of national ID from all the european countries > in DebConf. I do expect most of germans, frenchs, italian, belgian, etc just > travelling with their cards. They do not need their passports to come. European national ID cards have enough security measures, and are easily recognizable as such. And also, standing on a big KSP, I expect other people to be more familiar than myself with what an European ID looks like - and they should raise their voice in case it is not valid. Even though the Transnational Republic ID _does_ look like a legal European ID card, I can produce more than one document I have around here (legal, no counterfeits!) that look very similar to a passport. And the people who has signed my key know that my current passport _is_ easily counterfeitable. (Yes, it is at the end of its validity period, it expires 2009/12, and I expect to travel to Spain with a new one). Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG keysigning?
gregor herrmann dijo [Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 01:39:02PM +0200]: > > Having said that, I like Don's idea a lot. > > I agree that the idea of a "constant-KSP-during-meals" has some > charm; the only drawback I see is that it requires carrying around > the list and one's passport all the time which I usually tend to > avoid. - But I'd be willing to try this format. Very interesting idea, and will probably produce much better checks than a very long queue. However, _please_ for the love of $that, don't make it paperslip-based - we should stick as much as possible to our centrally controlled page with all of the attendees' data. Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf • gw...@gwolf.org • (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG keysigning?
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > gregor herrmann dijo [Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 01:39:02PM +0200]: > > I agree that the idea of a "constant-KSP-during-meals" has some > > charm; the only drawback I see is that it requires carrying around > > the list and one's passport all the time which I usually tend to > > avoid. Yeah, that's the major drawback I see too; I haven't thought of a good way to avoid that, though. Perhaps we could just agree to have them available for a particular meal (dinner?) which has the most free time before and after, so people need to have it on them for a little bit of time. > Very interesting idea, and will probably produce much better checks > than a very long queue. However, _please_ for the love of $that, > don't make it paperslip-based - we should stick as much as possible > to our centrally controlled page with all of the attendees' data. Right. I think we should do everything before the actual KSP just like we've done previously, and then try doing a continuous KSP during meals, and if we fail, fall back to a more traditional plan. Don Armstrong -- Only one creature could have duplicated the expressions on their faces, and that would be a pigeon who has heard not only that Lord Nelson has got down off his column but has also been seen buying a 12-bore repeater and a box of cartridges. -- Terry Pratchet _Mort_ http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu ___ Debconf-discuss mailing list Debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org http://lists.debconf.org/mailman/listinfo/debconf-discuss
Re: [Debconf-discuss] GPG keysigning?
On Sat, 27 Jun 2009 12:24:28 -0700, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Jun 2009, Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> > gregor herrmann dijo [Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 01:39:02PM +0200]:
> > > the only drawback I see is that it requires carrying around
> > > the list and one's passport all the time which I usually tend to
> > > avoid.
> Yeah, that's the major drawback I see too; I haven't thought of a good
> way to avoid that, though. Perhaps we could just agree to have them
> available for a particular meal (dinner?) which has the most free time
> before and after, so people need to have it on them for a little bit
> of time.
Sounds like a viable plan to me; we could even put it on the menu, as
in "primer plato - segundo plato - postre - firmado de claves" :)
> > we should stick as much as possible
> > to our centrally controlled page with all of the attendees' data.
> Right. I think we should do everything before the actual KSP just like
> we've done previously,
Ack.
Cheers,
gregor
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