[Debconf-discuss] Tango tonight

[W. Martin Borgert]

People who want to go to a milonga (freely spoken: a tango
party) meet at 22:30 hrs in the lobby. We will walk about
twelve blocks to a nice little place called "La Rada",
Jujuy 1673. AFAIK, at the same place is a tango class at
20:00 hrs, if you are enthusiastic. The entrance fee of the
milonga is probably 5..10$ (pesos).

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[Debconf-discuss] Official group photo today 2pm

[Tiago Bortoletto Vaz]

Hi all,

The Debconf official group photo will be taken today at 2:30pm (14:30h).
Once our official photographer[0] didn't attend this year, we are doing
a coletive effort in order to do it with good quality as he did on last
DCs.

Debconf photographers will now check a good place to take that picture -
it's not defined yet. So please guys try to be ready at the hotel
reception at 2:00pm so we guide you. We know it's the lunch time, but
the other non-conflicting time would be 5pm, which there is not enough
light in case of the weather is not perfect.

Please help us to disseminate this, once this event has just been
published :\

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[Debconf-discuss] (UPDATE) IMPORTANT: renting bus for the day back from MDQ to EZE/B

[Ana Guerrero]

Hi,

Marga told me we are not enough people for reting buses back to BA/EZE on the
17th. So we won't rent them.
So start doing your bus reservations if you are going to EZE. If you are going
to BA retiro, it should not be hard get a bus back.


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[Debconf-discuss] [OFF-TOPIC] debian-bags, t-shirts.

[Hector Colina]

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[Debconf-discuss] Capoeira practice

[Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva]

Hello,

the Capoeira practice will happen in the Hotel Astor tomorrow (Friday,
August 15) at 19:00 pm.  Please come with comfortable clothes that give
you mobility in uncommon positions.  The idea is to start with a small
talk about the history of Capoeira, do some basic moves, and then make a
Roda, in which everyone can play.

Capoeira is a fight, dance and game created by african slaves in Brasil,
with a lot of elements from the african culture.

See you there.

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[Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva]

Hello,

me, Andreas Tille, and some other persons are going to take a bath in
the sea this afternoon.  If you're interested, please join us in the
lobby at 17h30.

See you there.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Mauro Lizaur]

Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> me, Andreas Tille, and some other persons are going to take a bath in
> the sea this afternoon.  If you're interested, please join us in the
> lobby at 17h30.
> 
> See you there.
> 
Are you sure you want to do that?
I think the weather will be *very* cold


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[Debconf-discuss] printing at debconf venue?

[Junichi Uekawa]

Hi,

I have a question, is it possible to print ?
I would like a printed copy of e-mail for bus reservation and
I don't travel with a printer.



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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva]

Em Qui, 2008-08-14 às 16:37 -0300, Mauro Lizaur escreveu:
> Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > me, Andreas Tille, and some other persons are going to take a bath in
> > the sea this afternoon.  If you're interested, please join us in the
> > lobby at 17h30.
> > 
> > See you there.
> > 
> Are you sure you want to do that?
> I think the weather will be *very* cold

I'm sure I'll get to the beach.  I'm not sure if I'll get into the
water, but I'll just decide it there.

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[Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[martin f krafft]

Apparently, there are basically no seats left with Manuel Tienda
Leon to go to Retiro on Sunday. Are there alternative bus operators?

Also, are there any BA accomodations people can recommend for
Sun-Mon night?

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Hector Colina]

--- El jue 14-ago-08, Mauro Lizaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:

> De: Mauro Lizaur <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Asunto: Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata
> A: "Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: debconf-discuss@lists.debconf.org
> Fecha: jueves, 14 agosto, 2008, 11:37 pm
> Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > me, Andreas Tille, and some other persons are going to
> take a bath in
> > the sea this afternoon.  If you're interested,
> please join us in the
> > lobby at 17h30.
> > 
> > See you there.
> > 
> Are you sure you want to do that?
> I think the weather will be *very* cold

Maybee... but  thats is the point ;) 




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Re: [Debconf-discuss] printing at debconf venue?

[Stephen Gran]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 04:32:04AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa said:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a question, is it possible to print ?
> I would like a printed copy of e-mail for bus reservation and
> I don't travel with a printer.

There are printers only at the front desk.  I think they will let you
print a copy of a reservation.  Just bear in mind that if everyone does
it, it will be a reasonable amount of ink that someone has to pay for,
and act accordingly.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Dydier José]

Well there is a bus station a few blocks from the hotel,

Look for there, sure we'll find bus to Retiro. I came in Flecha Bus (
http://flechabus.com.ar/).

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [OFF-TOPIC] debian-bags, t-shirts.

[Steve McIntyre]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:50:50AM -0700, Hector Colina wrote:
>
>If someone interested in debian-bags, debian t-shirts and some
>sticker, please, contact me in the hacklabs near to restaurant (good
>prices)
>[(https://gallery.debconf.org/v/debconf7/mugshots/e1th0r.jpg.html)]

Aha! I'd love to pick up some more T-shirts from Debian folks all
around the world... :-)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 04:12:39PM -0300, Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva wrote:
> me, Andreas Tille, and some other persons are going to take a bath in
> the sea this afternoon.  If you're interested, please join us in the
> lobby at 17h30.
> 
> See you there.

I think it is a very unfortunate choice of timeslot. Today at that time
there is Luciano's talk about the openssl failure, which I believe is of
interest for most of us. On the contrary, tomorrow schedule has a *hole*
exactly from 17:00 to 18:00.

I really would like to participate, /me hopes in a push of one day
forward.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] printing at debconf venue?

[Stephen Gran]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 08:47:04PM +0100, Stephen Gran said:
> On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 04:32:04AM +0900, Junichi Uekawa said:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have a question, is it possible to print ?
> > I would like a printed copy of e-mail for bus reservation and
> > I don't travel with a printer.
> 
> There are printers only at the front desk.  I think they will let you
> print a copy of a reservation.  Just bear in mind that if everyone does
> it, it will be a reasonable amount of ink that someone has to pay for,
> and act accordingly.

I've spoken with front desk, and they say they can handle 250 people
printing bus receipts, provided you don't mind using the backs of
previously printed pages.  So, feel free to print away.
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[martin f krafft]

also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.08.14.1643 -0300]:
> Apparently, there are basically no seats left with Manuel Tienda
> Leon to go to Retiro on Sunday. Are there alternative bus operators?

http://www.plataforma10.com/ seems to be a meta search. Also,
there's a ticket office at the corner of St. Martín and the street
of last night's hotel.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Jacobo Tarrio]

El jueves, 14 de agosto de 2008 a las 18:13:03 -0300, martin f krafft escribía:

> there's a ticket office at the corner of St. Martín and the street
> of last night's hotel.

 FWIW, it's the shop in the corner with bus pr0n at the door, not the one with 
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Andreas Tille]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Jacobo Tarrio wrote:


El jueves, 14 de agosto de 2008 a las 18:13:03 -0300, martin f krafft escribía:


there's a ticket office at the corner of St. Martín and the street
of last night's hotel.


FWIW, it's the shop in the corner with bus pr0n at the door, not the one with 
people pr0n.


Come on people, you are trying to fix the wrong problem.  We nned 40 people
to rant one bus starting IN FRONT OF OUR HOTEL going VIA EZE to Buenos Aires.
We are here about 200 people.  Guessing only half of them will leave here on
Sunday we should be able two fill two of these busses.  Why not asking your
table mates at dinner at which day they will leave MDQ and what might be the
reason that they not registered on the wiki?  I hate if people are just lazy
and it is even worse if a certain number of people who were not that lazy
have to suffer from this and have to register for a bus for themselves.

So please come on people, fire up your browser, don't be stupid and enter
your plan to leave Mar del Plata.  It can not be that hard to go to

http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/MDQ-return

and even gain profit for yourself.

Thanks to all those who just did their homework.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Andreas Tille]

On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:

> I think it is a very unfortunate choice of timeslot. Today at that time
> there is Luciano's talk about the openssl failure, which I believe is of
> interest for most of us. On the contrary, tomorrow schedule has a *hole*
> exactly from 17:00 to 18:00.

Well, the scheduleing of the Luciano-talks was very unfortunate in several
aspects and triggered certain problems.  I was aware of this - but sometimes
events are just in parallel.  BTW, there is *no* hole in the schedule -
that's just the coffee break.

> I really would like to participate, /me hopes in a push of one day
> forward.

Well it actually is just scheduled for tomorrow because it was a complete
success.  All people with a towel went into the sea (OK, there were only
two of them ;-)) and I can asure you that it is much easier than in the morning
because the sand outside stored some warmth over the day ...

So whoever likes to join tomorrow be AT THE BEACH at 17:30 (not in the
entrance hall - we might meet at entrance hall at 17:15).

See you

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2008.08.14.1837 -0300]:
> reason that they not registered on the wiki?  I hate if people are
> just lazy and it is even worse if a certain number of people who
> were not that lazy have to suffer from this and have to register
> for a bus for themselves.

It's not how it works, and you know it. Someone has to take charge
and I consciously decided that I won't be the one. Will you?

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Fabricio Cannini]

Em Thursday 14 August 2008 18:37:39 Andreas Tille escreveu:
> On Thu, 14 Aug 2008, Jacobo Tarrio wrote:
> > El jueves, 14 de agosto de 2008 a las 18:13:03 -0300, martin f krafft 
escribía:
> >> there's a ticket office at the corner of St. Martín and the street
> >> of last night's hotel.
> >
> > FWIW, it's the shop in the corner with bus pr0n at the door, not the one
> > with people pr0n.
>
> Come on people, you are trying to fix the wrong problem.  We nned 40 people
> to rant one bus starting IN FRONT OF OUR HOTEL going VIA EZE to Buenos
> Aires. We are here about 200 people.  Guessing only half of them will leave
> here on Sunday we should be able two fill two of these busses.  Why not
> asking your table mates at dinner at which day they will leave MDQ and what
> might be the reason that they not registered on the wiki?  I hate if people
> are just lazy and it is even worse if a certain number of people who were
> not that lazy have to suffer from this and have to register for a bus for
> themselves.
>
> So please come on people, fire up your browser, don't be stupid and enter
> your plan to leave Mar del Plata.  It can not be that hard to go to
>
>  http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf8/MDQ-return
>
> and even gain profit for yourself.
>
> Thanks to all those who just did their homework.

AFAICS, there 36 people interested in taking said bus, and i'm sure that it can 
go to both places (Retiro and EZE). Even if we don't fulfill one bus, i for 
once still prefer to take this bus than to run after a ticket.
So let's go people, move your fingers!!
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Amaya]

Andreas Tille wrote:
> So whoever likes to join tomorrow be AT THE BEACH at 17:30 

At the beach WHERE? The beach is kind of huge :)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Andreas Tille]

On Fri, 15 Aug 2008, Amaya wrote:

> At the beach WHERE? The beach is kind of huge :)

Well, because I've learned that somebody tried to watch us swimming but
missed us - Let's just meet 17:15 in the entrance hall ...

I guessed a sunny spot seemed attractive and easy to find (because
the beach becomes shadowy at t his time and skyscrapers just leave
a small spot) - but this assumption was unfortunately wrong.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Marco Túlio Gontijo e Silva]

Em Sex, 2008-08-15 às 00:38 +0200, Amaya escreveu:
> Andreas Tille wrote:
> > So whoever likes to join tomorrow be AT THE BEACH at 17:30 
> 
> At the beach WHERE? The beach is kind of huge :)

I'll be from 17 to 17:15 at the lobby, then we'll go to the beach
together, and be there somewhere at 17:30.

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Going back plans

[Amaya]

Margarita Manterola wrote:
> * People that want to go to Retiro (Buenos Aires) and don't mind waiting a
>   few extra hours on Sunday, until we finish cleaning up.

I want to help cleaning up, and Holger and me wouldlike to join you
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Jonathan McDowell]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 06:58:46PM -0300, Fabricio Cannini wrote:
 
> AFAICS, there 36 people interested in taking said bus, and i'm sure
> that it can go to both places (Retiro and EZE). Even if we don't
> fulfill one bus, i for once still prefer to take this bus than to run
> after a ticket.  So let's go people, move your fingers!!

marga's sent a mail since this to -announce presenting the options. The
problem with getting one bus for everyone on Sunday is that'll it mean
people going in the evening have to turn up far too early and could just
get an earlier bus anyway.

I have 9 people so far for a direct bus to EZE getting in around 5pm or
so (ie suitable for people with flights after 8pm). If I can get 11 or
more (up to 16) then it can be done for AR$100 each. I mailed the people
who were on the wiki with flights after 8 earlier this evening, but if
you're name wasn't on the wiki and you're interested please email me;
the sooner the better as I want this to be sorted tomorrow morning.

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[Debconf-discuss] Debconf morning run for Friday

[Christian Perrier]

It's fairly late to announce this but better late than never:

The Debconf runners will gather tomorrow Friday morning at 08:00 local
time in the lobby.

We plan to run for about 1h, or 1h15mins maximum and thus be back for
the first morning talk.

No planned direction to go. We'll see.

We will probably also schedule a last run on Saturday morning.


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[Debconf-discuss] The Big Organ

[Jon 'maddog' Hall]

Hello,

For those of you who went to my talk about why Linux is like a Player
Piano the other day, some people wanted to have the URLs for the Opus I
organ and Trinity Church in New York City.

http://www.trinitywallstreet.org/music/?organ

The website of the maker of the organ:

http://www.marshallogletree.com/

The Automated Musical Instrument Collector's Association:

http://www.amica.org/Live/index.htm

Warmest regards,

maddog

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[Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Free Hardware !!!1!!!!1!

[Florian Maier]

Hi all,

i brought some Hardware to DebConf, which i really don't want to take back
to Germany (i need space for sweets and mate!).

So if you can utilize a WRT54GL(v1.1) or a fonera (1st generation), both
in good shape, with power supply and running linux, find me in the hacklab
;-)

Local orga team preferred.

Regards,

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] Free Hardware !!!1!!!!1!

[Florian Maier]

Hi all,

the hardware is gone! I already emailed the lucky winners.

Kind regards,


Florian

On Fri, August 15, 2008 1:36 am, Florian Maier wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> i brought some Hardware to DebConf, which i really don't want to take back
> to Germany (i need space for sweets and mate!).
>
> So if you can utilize a WRT54GL(v1.1) or a fonera (1st generation), both
> in good shape, with power supply and running linux, find me in the hacklab
> ;-)
>
> Local orga team preferred.
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Florian Maier
> http://www.marsmenschen.com

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Manoj Srivastava]

Hi,

Judy and I would definitely be interested in any bus that goes
 to either EZE or retiro on sunday.  So add two people to your list.

manoj
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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Swimming at the sea de Plata

[Stefano Zacchiroli]

On Fri, Aug 15, 2008 at 12:44:34AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote:
> Well, because I've learned that somebody tried to watch us swimming but
> missed us - Let's just meet 17:15 in the entrance hall ...

/me will be there!

My naked bodyguard will be as well :-)

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Re: [Debconf-discuss] Travel cost sponsorship for DebConf8

[Joachim Breitner]

Hi,

Am Freitag, den 15.08.2008, 00:39 +0200 schrieb Joerg Jaspert:
> Hi Joachim Breitner,
> 
> You requested travel sponsorship for DebConf8 in Argentina. We
> are now in the final days of DebConf8 and think we should go on with this.
> 
> We can't reimburse you during DebConf8, sorry. The procedure will be similar 
> to the
> procedure used for DebConf6, which means we will do bank transfers after 
> DebConf8.
> 
> Please fill out the reimbursement form you can download at 
> http://media.debconf.org/dc8/debconf-reimbursement.pdf
> and make sure to read all the additional information. Please put in *all* 
> needed data!
> 
> Please return the form with *all* *your* travel receipts tomorrow, Friday 
> 15th August, to me (Joerg Jaspert)
> between 13:00 and 15:00. I will be at the Frontdesk during that time.

For those receips that were provided online, and I have only in PDF
format, is it ok to send them by mail and note that on the reimbursement
form? Otherwise, I need to use the front desk’s printing services
again...

Greetings,
Joachim

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[Debconf-discuss] BOF "Best practises in team-maintaining packages" - protocol

[gregor herrmann]

The BOF has taken place today; thanks to all who participated and
shared their experiences and ideas.

Tim Retout had agreed to take notes during the talk and provided me
with an awesome protocol - thanks alot, Tim!

I'm attaching this protocol to this mail; my only changes were a few
formatting things and some minor additions off the top of my head
(all grammatical errors are of course mine :))

As requested by some attendants at the end of the BOF I'll try to
arrange another BOF for Friday or Saturday, so that we can continue
the work.

If you are a member of one of the teams which has tools that might be
of general interest please send pointers and short descrptions to me,
I will try to compile a list.

(The protocol and the slides are also attached to the event in
pentabarf.)

Cheers,
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Best practices in team package maintenance
==

14th August, 2008 - Mar del Plata, Argentina

Gregor Herrmann presents introductory slides.

Structure:
- mini presentation per team
- collect topics for discussion
- discussion
- summary

Mini-presentations
==

debian-med, Andreas Tille
-
* Mailing list communication
* Attract members at debconf
* Infrastructure: QA-related web pages: bug overview, packages and
  descriptions
* Sponsoring for non-DDs
* Someone has written a policy covering package structure/VCS
* Using repository on alioth
* Some tools to build the web stuff
* Interesting to look at who posts to mailing list
* Need to make team have more than one active member
* Be friendly to new members
* Ask them to give an introduction
* The team is working well - small user group, not so many packages, makes
  things easy

debian-science
--
* Mailing list
* Not only a packaging team - fallback for packaging when package isn't
  covered by another team
* Share experience
* Four people
* Repositories on alioth
* Very new
* Has a written a policy
* Tools: git
* Challenges: to welcome new members always, because specific knowledge
  required
* Takes advantage of the debian-med tools
* Follows ITPs with debtags, should be more integrated
* Even if someone outside debian-science is packaging it, can see on
  qareport

debian-voip
---
* Mailing list, also via SVN commit logs
* Infrastructure: private buildd farm, builds svn trunk once per day,
  including sid, backports and Ubuntu packages
* Several non-DD members who commit to SVN
* svn with svn-buildpackage and upstream sources in svn
* No regular workflow for non-DDs getting packages uploaded; bump DDs on
  mailing list
* New members often come from them filing ITPs and then joining team
* Experiences: generally positive, often performs updates quicker than
  single maintainer
* Sometimes difficult having to learn different tools for each team

debian-ocaml - zack
---
* Mailing list, IRC channel
* SVN repository, slowly moving to git
* Enables commit access to every DD, but this isn't often used
* Web report
* Own policy since 2002
* No team-specific problem, but collaboration difficult when every team has
  own conventions. Lack of a common way to document team-specific procedures.
* No common usage of distinction between Uploaders and Maintainer between
  different teams

debian-perl - gwolf
---
* Organised around PET - web page to see overview of needed work
* Also coordinate on lists and IRC
* Alioth repository accepts commits from non-members
* Packages listed in LowNMU
* PET aims to remove need for RFS mails
* Communication via "invalid" changelog entries (i.e. notes at the top of
  debian/changelog)
* Work with svn-buildpackage
* Great success story, good integration

ruby-extras - lucas
---
* Very different to debian-perl
* Fairly standard team
* svn-buildpackage
* cdbs class for ruby packages
* uscan
* Difficult to know who is reponsible for packages within team ->
  one single responsible person per package (in Maintainer)

Comment by Tincho: Important not to restrict people helping out on different
packages

pkg-gnome - kov
---
* Mailing list, IRC
* Quite a few active members, two or three who push the work forward
* Always trying to recruit, gnome large and complex
* Bug triaging is a challenge
* svn-buildpackage, with gnome team-specific layout
* Some work being done on gnome policies, but mostly already integrated in
  debhelper
* Does have interactions with other teams, but mostly these contain the same
  people
* Status page

Comment by gwolf:
* pkg-perl recently discussed whether to move to git, and decided that we
  would be using VCS in a centralised way
* SVN tree is huge; on the other hand in the ruby group, the upstream
  sources a

Re: [Debconf-discuss] MDQ-Retiro on Sunday / BA accomodations

[Jonathan McDowell]

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 08:52:49PM -0300, Jonathan McDowell wrote:
 
> I have 9 people so far for a direct bus to EZE getting in around 5pm
> or so (ie suitable for people with flights after 8pm). If I can get 11
> or more (up to 16) then it can be done for AR$100 each. I mailed the
> people who were on the wiki with flights after 8 earlier this evening,
> but if you're name wasn't on the wiki and you're interested please
> email me; the sooner the better as I want this to be sorted tomorrow
> morning.

I have 16 now, so if you haven't already emailed me then unfortunately I
don't believe there's room for more. I'll confirm to everyone who
emailed me in the morning.

J.

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[Debconf-discuss] Wire handcrafting BoF (or Debian earrings live HOWTO)

[Sarah]

Well... in fact it'll be more like a(nother) workshop if we manage to
borrow enough pliers. 

So, if you asked or thought about getting some of these shiny red
swirls you've seen around for your ears (or your *friend's, *parents,
son/daughter's, pet's, etc), come to the 1st floor tomorrow (15th) to
the loud hacklab at 5pm and build them yourself. 

The Debian earrings are easy to do, and if you prefer you can do any
handcraft you want (I'll provide some materials). Just if by any chance
you have a plier that could be useful, bring it.

See you!
Sarah
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[Debconf-discuss] (Off-topic) Interesting national ID documents during DC8 KSP

[José Miguel Parrella Romero]

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Greetings,

I enjoyed some national ID documents in this year's KSP [0]. I'm used to
see passports where the passport number has been perforated using laser
in all the pages except the first ones. I know there are some passports
which don't have the perforations, but wherever I see them I accepted as
a fact that they match with the passport number.

However, at least two of the passports I checked didn't match. I had to
look for the machine readable part of the passport in order to verify
it, and it seems like the "real" passport number is the perforated one,
and not the one that bears the "passport number" inscription [1]

Some brazilians used a form of national ID card which didn't have an
expiration date [2] -- this is unusual since you're usually expected to
come back in five years or so for that kind of documents. The photo in
the brazilian passport has a (prominently located) date, which usually
isn't the same as the passport's expedition date. I was told that you
have to take the picture before and bring it with you when you're
getting your passport.

Mexican passports have longer or shorter durations depending on how much
you pay on taxes when you request it. It probably has a legal framework,
but I find it terrible when governments impose travel restrictions for
their own citizens based on money requirements. Example given, in order
to travel outside Venezuela and get your 600 USD allowance (the only
legal way to get foreign currencies), you have to get a credit card,
which is almost impossible if you are under 25.

I recall seeing spanish passports written in their autonomic languages
- -- they had labels in EU languages, as well as catalonian, galician
and basque -- I didn't see that in recent biometrical passports, and I
was told that you can now choose which language would you like your
passport written in.

My own national ID card had a "typo" in my birthdate (which zack and
atomo64 promptly noticed), which is April 25th., 1987, but they typed
"987" as the year, thus making me 1021 years old, which is NOT NICE.

So, for a funny ending with a political touch, I found some people
browsing through my passport looking for a United States Visa, which had
"good" and "proper" information about me. Curious, at least.

Thanks for Don and Anibal for taking care of the KSP, and everyone who
participated this year!

[0] Not as much as Jacobo: http://raw-output.org/20080815/blacklights

[1] I assume that governments "reuse" older passport books and numbering
in order to save money. And since several countries here are changing
their national documents recently... well.

[2] They don't need a passport to come to Argentina, due to MERCOSUR,
that's why they used that card. We venezuelans aren't supposed to need a
passport either for the same reason, and we were stamped with MERCOSUR
stamps at the airport. The situation in South America regarding free
travel is tricky, but hopefully improving, check:

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations

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