RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

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Greetings,

On Thu, 23 May 2002 00:24:00 -0700, "Lucky Green"
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> Adam wrote:
> > Which is too bad.  If NAI-PGP went away completely, then 
> > compatability problems would be reduced.  I also expect that 
> > the German goverment group currently funding GPG would be 
> > more willing to fund UI work for windows.
> 
> Tell me about it. PGP, GPG, and all its variants need to die before
> S/MIME will be able to break into the Open Source community, thus
> removing the last, but persistent, block to an instant increase in
> number of potential users of secure email by several orders of
> magnitude.

As long as you obtain your S/MIME certificate from an apporved CA,
using an approved payment method and appropriate identification.

IIRC Thawte has a procedure for authenticating their free certificates
by proxy:  A Thawte certificate holder certifies that s/he has seen the
credentials of some other certificate holder, in absence of a physical
Bank or Notary Public.  Both the certifier and certified gain points by
this validation process.  

> Here's to hoping,
> --Lucky

Indeed.  -=c=-
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RE: NAI pulls out the DMCA stick

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On Fri, 24 May 2002 17:13:18 +1200 (NZST), "Peter Gutmann"
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> "contrary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> >As long as you obtain your S/MIME certificate from an apporved
> >CA, using an
> >approved payment method and appropriate identification.
> 
> The only CA-issued certs I've ever used were free, and under a bogus
> name.
> Usually I just issue my own.  You really need to find a better strawman
> than
> this if you want to criticise S/MIME.
> 
> Peter.
> 
OK, likewise.  But I guess my point (if I had one) is that regardless
of technical, usage, privacy and trust issues there is also one of
linkage between a nym and meatspace.  
With pgp, it's easy to generate a new keypair, label or sign it anyway
I care to, and exchange and use it for a single interaction. 
Relatively easy.  (Joe Sixpack-'O-Bass-Ale) 
S/MIME certificates (by which I may just mean commercial CA's) seem
mostly directed at strong authentication for commerce, and lean heavily
toward linking to a credit card, driver's license number, or
credential.
This is a Good Thing for cryptography and for commerce, but not for
'nymity.  Also not for "undeclared privacy" which is privacy that   
occurs below the attention threshold and without the permission of the
censors. 
 


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