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Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

[Tyler Durden]

James A Donald wrote...
What made it a breeding ground for terrorism was not civil war,
but diminuition of civil war.  The problem was that the Taliban
was damn near victorious.  If the US government had maintained
the relationship with our former anti communist allies, and
kept on sending them arms, we never would have had 9/11
Well, that's not particularly convincing. First of all, even during the 
Taliban's reign there were plenty of warlords that ran some regions of 
Afghanistan.

More to the point is that a long term period of chaos and turbulence causes 
the locals to be willing to open the door to the like of the Taliban, as 
long as they offer some kind of peace. The period between Soviet withdrawal 
and the Taliban was uglier than practically anything imaginable...one batch 
of warlords would take over, killing the men loyal to the previous batch and 
raping the women, and then another batch would take over and do the same 
thing.

When the Taliban came in to power, they seemed to offer some stability, 
albeit at a price. And I'd bet a lot of people in the shoes of the Afghanis 
would have been willing to pay that price.

Such is the long-term consequence of an ill-thought out invasion by the US 
in Iraq OOPS I mean the Soviets in Afghanistan. They bet that all their 
power and their ultimate "inevitable" desitny as freers of the workers of 
the world should easily overcome the local will to control their own destiny 
(plus a few stingers of course).

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Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

[Steve Thompson]

 --- "James A. Donald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> --
> James A. Donald:
> > > > And the problem with a civil war in Iraq is?
> 
> On 24 Nov 2004 at 2:42, Bill Stewart wrote:
> > Well, once you get past the invalid and dishonest parts of 
> > Bush's 57 reasons We Need to Invade Iraq Right Now (WMDs,
> > Al-Qaeda, Tried to kill Bush's Daddy, etc.) you're pretty
> > much left with "Saddam tried to kill Bush's Daddy" and
> > "Replacing the EEEVil dictator Saddam with a Democracy to
> > protect the Iraqi people".
> 
> Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides Americans
> with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq, though
> considerably more reliably.

You might be more accurate to say that a permanent [civil] war in Iraq
benefits miltiary leaders and civilian contractors with a variety of
benefits.  Of course, I am quite stupid about a great many subjects and
consequently I may not be able to fully appreciate the benefits that
trickle down to the American public from being `part' of a
theocratic-military pseudo-oligarchy.  Perhaps such an arrangement makes
the best of the human condition and I am merely too inferior to appreciate
the fact.
 
> Chances are that after fair and free election, the majority
> will vote to screw the minority - literally screw them, as in
> rape being unofficially OK when members of the majority do it
> to members of the minority.

Well this is to be expected if one studies the field of game theory.  And
given that reality, there is really no point in using psychology and
legislation to mitigate against the dictatorship of the proletariat. 
Vulnerable minorities might as well lie back and enjoy the inevitable
loving attentions of the majority, eh?
 
> Nothing like a long holy war with no clear winner to teach
> people the virtues of religious tolerance.  That is, after all,
> how Europeans learnt that lesson.

You're dreaming.  People simply do not learn from history.  Never mind the
fact that the historical record is largely incomplete and of course
written by the victors; what does survive in the history of the species
entirely fails to teach individuals and cultures the errors of primitive
and barbaric ways.

Of course this may change in the future.  The Christian crusaders, to use
but one trivial example, did not have television and the History Channel
at the time when they were working themselves into a frenzy in preparation
for war.
 
> And the worst comes to the worst - well today the Taliban are
> busy kiling Afghans instead of Americans.  Wouldn't it be nice
> if Al Quaeda was killing Iraqis instead of Americans - well
> actually they are killing Iraqis instead of americans, but
> wouldn't it be nice if they were killing *more* Iraqis?

Many things would be nice if [group A] were busy killing [enemy B] instead
of [group C].  Sadly, this is not a perfect world and the people who need
the most killing do not, generally speaking, get it.
 
Perhaps it is a bit of a shame that the kind of broken person who ends up
becoming a suicide bomber, a Ted Kaczynski, a Timothy McVeigh, or even a
Jim Sikorski, cannot be identified early on by some sort of DNA screening
technology and then channeled into an appropriate military program in
which they might be trained to use their special talents against truly
worthy enemies of the state.


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Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

[Damian Gerow]

Thus spake Steve Thompson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [25/11/04 10:17]:
: You're dreaming.  People simply do not learn from history.

People /do/ learn from history.

But most people never bother learning history, period, and many of those
that do believe that their situation is different.  And...

: Never mind the fact that the historical record is largely incomplete and
: of course written by the victors; what does survive in the history of the
: species entirely fails to teach individuals and cultures the errors of
: primitive and barbaric ways.

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On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 08:38, Will Morton wrote:
> How long have soldiers deployed in war-zones been able to get life 
> insurance?  Would love to see their actuarial process...

It's been a while since I was in the US Army, but I'm sure that the life
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Get yer draconian Blunkett rhetoric here

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 Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/24/blunkett_policy_maker/

Get yer draconian Blunkett rhetoric here
By Lester Haines (lester.haines at theregister.co.uk)
Published Wednesday 24th November 2004 09:31 GMT

Those readers who are following the magnificent meanderings of UK home
secretary David Blunkett as he moves the UK inexorably towards
voluntary/compulsory ID cards
(http://www.cashncarrion.co.uk/?op=catalogue-products-null&prodCategoryID=28)
in an attempt to stem the tide of swan-roasting illegal immigrant members
of al-Qaeda who threaten the very fabric of our society will certainly
enjoy Chris Applegate's David Blunkett Policy Maker
(http://www.qwghlm.co.uk/other/blunkett.php).

This nifty piece of programming is designed to deliver "draconian rhetoric,
whenever you want it", and can instantly formulate a Blunkett-style policy
guaranteed to make Britain a safer, more loving place. For example:

Give refugees a 'Citizenship test', and then deny them the right to trial
by jury. And charge them for it.

Quite right too. Applegate warns users that: "The random generator can
generate actual policies that Blunkett has launched. I take no
responsibility for any distress caused by sudden realisation of the truth,
nor any feelings of fear, doom etc. for one's own civil liberties." You
have been warned. ®

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experience." -- Edward Gibbon, 'Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire'

ID scheme, IT the key to Blunkett's new terror laws

[R.A. Hettinga]

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The Register » Internet and Law » Digital Rights/Digital Wrongs »

 Original URL: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/24/security_bill_roundup/

ID scheme, IT the key to Blunkett's new terror laws
By John Lettice (john.lettice at theregister.co.uk)
Published Wednesday 24th November 2004 12:00 GMT

The pile of security legislation the Government unveiled yesterday is
disturbingly large but, as Peter Hain has to all intents and purposes
confessed, most of it is window-dressing this side of the election. A
couple of Bills will get through before May, with ID cards and SOCA, the
'British FBI', among the most likely to do so. Another with heavy IT
implications, the Management of Offenders Bill (tagging) also stands some
chance, but ID Cards (the Government seems to have switched back to "Cards"
rather than "Scheme") looks like being the showpiece the Government will
try to sell itself on in the next election campaign.

The 'British FBI', the Serious Organised Crime Agency (SOCA) will not cover
terrorism, which makes it not much of an FBI, but will have a lot to do
with surveillance, and is headed by former MI5 chief Sir Stephen Lander,
who revealed himself as worryingly gung-ho in Sunday's Dimbleby programme.
It was the excited smirk he gave as he said: "I'm an enthusiast for using
wiretaps" that got us. So lots more lovely wiretaps in the Serious
Organised Crime and Police Bill, some media training for Sir Stephen, but
quite possibly no sign of wiretaps being used in court before the Counter
Terrorism Bill makes them more secrecy-friendly on the other side of the
election. Lander, along with Blunkett and most of the security services,
isn't so keen on having surveillance operations being exposed in court
proceedings. On the two flagship bills Blunkett says:


"Identity cards would help us tackle the organised criminals and terrorists
who use fake identities to carry out their crimes. They would also aid the
fight against illegal working and immigration abuse, enable easier and more
convenient access to services and ensure free public services are only used
by those entitled to them. The Identity Cards Bill will set out the
stringent safeguards we want for the use of the cards, what information
they contain and who can access it.

"The Serious Organised Crime and Police Bill would establish a new agency
to lead the fight against crime gangs whose trade in drugs and guns has an
impact in every community in Britain. A new law-enforcement agency will be
created that will pursue crime bosses using the very latest technology. The
Bill would also overhaul the powers of police officers and extend the
powers of Community Support Officers so they can deal effectively with
anti-social behaviour on the streets."

We'll leave the mission-creep obvious in that last sentence until we can do
a broader reading of the legislation for 'shopping list' type additions.
Both the surveillance aspect and the intent to use the "very latest
technology" (which underlies most of the security plans) is of major
importance for the IT industry.

Two draft bills, the Draft Youth Justice Bill and the Draft
Counter-Terrorism Bill, are there to put down marks for the next
administration and to 'crowd out' the opposition on the security issue. The
Youth Justice Bill will be ramping up the use of tagging and tracking to
support a move away from prison and towards community sentences, while the
Counter-Terrorism Bill will likely include Blunkett's 'ASBOS for terror
suspects' (or as we're trying to call them, Anti-Internet Behaviour Orders,
AIBOs, (http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/21/blunkett_internet_ban/) and
juryless anti-terror courts. This does not seem sufficient to populate a
whole David Blunkett 'sensible preemptive security measure', and we feel
sure there will be much more.

A couple more measures do not have any obvious security implications, but
are likely to be of interest to Register readers. The Inland Revenue and
Customs Merger Bill is intended to do what it says on the tin, and will
clearly have an impact on your personal financial situation. The Road
Safety Bill will allow police to force drink-drive offenders to take
another test, and raises the fine for driving while using a mobile phone to
£60. This latter is a response to the lack of impact of the previous effort
at a ban, which itself was brought in because enforcement of existing
legislation on driving without due care and attention was patchy. You'll
note that the problem here is enforcement rather than level of fine, but
that they're pretending not to notice.

The Clean Neighbourhoods And Environment Bill might have an impact on the
more rowdy elements of the IT business, not that this should apply to
Register readers. It gives local authorities the power to issue fines for a
range of messy behaviour, including litter, noise and light pollution
(li

DIY fingerprint idea thwarts ID thieves

[R.A. Hettinga]

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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/11/24/fingerprint_fights_id_theft/

DIY fingerprint idea thwarts ID thieves
By John Leyden (john.leyden at theregister.co.uk)
Published Wednesday 24th November 2004 07:59 GMT

The Home Office is touting ID cards as a solution to ID theft in today's
Queen's Speech (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4034543.stm) but a
Yorkshire man has taken matters into his own hands. Jamie Jameson, a civil
servant from Scarborough in North Yorkshire, insists that credit can only
be extended in his name on production of a thumbprint.

Jameson hit on the idea of writing to the UK's three main credit reference
agencies - Equifax, Experian and Call Credit - and requesting that they put
a 'Notice of Correction' on his file stating that a print must be offered
with applications for loans or credit cards issued in his name. At the same
time he submitted his fingerprint.

This Notice of Correction of the first thing a prospective lender will see
when it calls up his records. Normally this facility provides a way for
individuals to explain why they have a county court judgement against their
name or other qualifications to their credit history. Jameson is using it
to do a cheap security check.

Although uncommon in the UK, thumbprints are often used as an audit
mechanism for people cashing cheques in US banks. A similar scheme was
trialled
(http://www.south-wales.police.uk/fe_news_w/news_details.asp?newsid=169) in
Wales. Jameson takes a little ink pad similar to that used in US banks
around with him all the time just in case he might need it.

If an application for credit is accepted without a thumbprint - against
Jameson's express instructions - then he will not be liable for losses. If
a would-be fraudster gives a false print on an application then it makes it
easier for them to be traced by the police. "Lenders don't have to match
prints. Using prints just establishes an audit trail if anything goes
wrong," Jameson explained. "It's not so much me proving who I am as
preventing someone else being me."

Jameson has been using the idea successfully for over a year. He concedes
that the scheme isn't foolproof and that it's possible to fake
(http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/16/gummi_bears_defeat_fingerprint_sensors/)
fingerprints ("nothing's perfect," as he puts it). As far as Jameson knows
he's the only person who's using the technique in the UK. The scheme delays
the issuing of credit, which could be a problem with people who apply for
multiple accounts but this is a minor inconvenience for Jameson. "This is
driven by the individual so there are no data protection issues. It's a
real deterrent to ID theft," he told El Reg. ®

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[osint] Mexican police hunt lynch mob

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[Excerpt:  A third policeman who was finally rescued by colleagues - three
and a half hours after the attack began - suffered serious injuries and is said
to be in a critical conditionThe attack in the southern suburb of San Juan
Ixtayopan was the latest example of mob justice by Mexicans frustrated by
state corruption and soaring crime, correspondents say. "I've never seen such
insanity, so much unbridled hate. They beat them with pipes, they kicked
them...
It was so extreme that you couldn't recognise them when they were set alight,"
an unnamed Televisa cameraman who filmed the incident told the French news
agency AFPAt one point, the victims, blood streaming down their faces,
spoke
into the cameras, confirming they were anti-terrorism agents. The gruesome
footage was given wide coverageMexico City's public safety chief, Marcelo
Ebrard, said back-up units were unable to get through for more than three and a
half hours because of heavy traffic.]
Last Updated: Thursday, 25 November, 2004, 10:23 GMT

http://212.58.240.132/1/hi/world/americas/4040815.stm
Mexican police hunt lynch mob


Hundreds of police and federal agents raided a Mexico City suburb on
Wednesday night after two officers were killed by an angry crowd.

More than 30 people were reportedly held after police with pictures taken in
the attack went from house to house.

They are also investigating why the two men were not rescued - despite live
TV coverage of Tuesday's events.

The two plain-clothes officers were burned alive after locals apparently
mistook them for child kidnappers.

A third policeman who was finally rescued by colleagues - three and a half
hours after the attack began - suffered serious injuries and is said to be in a
critical condition.

The attack in the southern suburb of San Juan Ixtayopan was the latest
example of mob justice by Mexicans frustrated by state corruption and
soaring crime,
correspondents say.

The men who were attacked were working on a covert drugs operation at the
time, officials said.

'Unbridled hate'

A long convoy of government vehicles sped into San Juan Ixtayopan just before
night fell on Wednesday, an official spokeswoman told the Associated Press
news agency.

The agency said 600 federal agents and hundreds of city police were involved
in the operation.

They sealed off streets and carried out house-to-house searches.


I've never seen such insanity, so much unbridled hate... It was so extreme
that you couldn't recognise them when they were set alight
TV cameraman

Mexico's Procurator General, Rafael Macedo, told Mexican television that 33
people had been detained, among them people suspected of actually carrying out
or instigating the attack, along with others who witnessed it, Efe news agency
reported.

The agents were taking photos of pupils at a primary school on Tuesday -
where two children had recently gone missing - when the attack began.

Some in the crowd thought they were kidnappers, while others were simply
angry that the alleged kidnappings had not been properly investigated.

The crowd cheered, chanted and shouted obscenities as they attacked.

Reporters reached the scene before police reinforcements, and live cameras
caught a mob beating Victor Moreles Barrera and Cristobal Martinez Martin
before
setting them alight.

"I've never seen such insanity, so much unbridled hate. They beat them with
pipes, they kicked them... It was so extreme that you couldn't recognise them
when they were set alight," an unnamed Televisa cameraman who filmed the
incident told the French news agency AFP.

At one point, the victims, blood streaming down their faces, spoke into the
cameras, confirming they were anti-terrorism agents. The gruesome footage was
given wide coverage.

Mexico City's public safety chief, Marcelo Ebrard, said back-up units were
unable to get through for more than three and a half hours because of heavy
traffic.


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[osint] 'Stunning' arms haul in Falluja

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[Excerpt: Weapons caches, many in the south of Falluja - the last area taken
by the marines - were often marked by a brick suspended on a piece of string
outside a house, they addedThe amount of weapons was in no way just to
protect a city," said Maj Jim West, a Marine intelligence officer"There was
enough to mount an insurgency across the country," he addedEarlier, Iraqi
Minister of State Kassim Daoud told a news conference: "Soldiers from the Iraqi
National Guard found a chemical laboratory that was used to prepare deadly
explosives and poisons."They also found in the lab booklets and
instructions
on how to make bombs and poisons. They even talked about the production of
anthrax."]

Last Updated: Thursday, 25 November, 2004, 14:42 GMT
http://212.58.240.132/1/hi/world/middle_east/4041235.stm
'Stunning' arms haul in Falluja

US marines combing the Iraqi city of Falluja after a major offensive say they
found weapons stocks sufficient to mount an insurgency across the country.

The "stunning" finds included mortars, bomb-making equipment, grenades and
rockets, officials said.

The biggest haul was made at a mosque complex in the east of the city.

Soldiers also found a house which contained a laboratory and instructions on
how to make anthrax and blood agents, the US military told the BBC.

US marines say it may be several weeks before civilians who fled the city can
return. Following the US-led offensive, the city remains without power or
water.

The discoveries came as hundreds of British troops from the Black Watch took
part in a fresh offensive against suspected Saddam Hussein loyalists living on
the bank of the Euphrates river in central Iraq.

In other developments:

* US officials say they found five new bodies, including the corpses of
some Iraqi soldiers, in the northern city of Mosul - the scene of a recent
upsurge in attacks
* Police in southern Iraq arrest five suspected foreign fighters - two
Saudis, two Tunisians and one Libyan - they claim were planning to mount
attacks
in Basra.

'Foreign fighters' centre'

Marine commanders said troops moving from house to house had discovered large
numbers of weapons stores, including stocks of up to 700 mortar shells.

Kalashnikov rifles, ammunition, rocket-propelled grenades and heavy cannon
have also been found throughout the city, officers said.

Weapons caches, many in the south of Falluja - the last area taken by the
marines - were often marked by a brick suspended on a piece of string outside a
house, they added.

Iraqi Red Crescent convoy waits at entrance to Falluja, 24 Nov 2004
Aid organisations need to assess how many need help in Falluja

"The amount of weapons was in no way just to protect a city," said Maj Jim
West, a Marine intelligence officer.

"There was enough to mount an insurgency across the country," he added.

Earlier, Iraqi Minister of State Kassim Daoud told a news conference:
"Soldiers from the Iraqi National Guard found a chemical laboratory that
was used to
prepare deadly explosives and poisons.

"They also found in the lab booklets and instructions on how to make bombs
and poisons. They even talked about the production of anthrax."

'Hotbed'

The US has claimed Falluja was a centre for foreign fighters who had come to
Iraq to fight the coalition.

Earlier this week Iraq's interim defence minister said 60 Arab fighters were
among those arrested in Falluja.

The Americans claim to have killed at least 1,000 Iraqis in the Falluja
assault launched two and a half weeks ago.

More than 50 marines died and more than 400 were wounded.

The number of Iraqi civilians killed and injured when they were caught up in
the fighting is still not known.

The Iraqi Red Crescent said on Thursday it had managed to deliver food aid,
and that its volunteers would stay to help bury the dead and evacuate families
still trapped in Falluja.
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Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

[James A. Donald]

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James A. Donald:
> > Seems to me that permanent civil war in Iraq provides
> > Americans with the same benefits as democracy in Iraq,
> > though considerably more reliably.

Steve Thompson
> You might be more accurate to say that a permanent [civil]
> war in Iraq benefits miltiary leaders and civilian
> contractors with a variety of benefits.

Permanent holy war in Iraq would keep them busy and out of
mischief WITHOUT permanent large involvement from American
military.

Plus, of course, they would be pumping oil like mad in order to
fund it.

Finding Al Quaeda is hard.  Nation building is even harder.
Military training covers nation smashing, not nation building.

But arranging matters so that Al Quaeda is busily killing those 
muslims it deems insufficiently Muslim, and muslims are killing
Al Quaeda right back, seems astonishingly easy.   It is like
throwing a match into a big petrol spill.  Why are American
soldiers getting shot putting out the fire?   Why are Americans
dying to stop arabs from killing arabs? We *want* arabs to kill
arabs.  When arabs kill arabs, we fear that the wrong side
might win - but whichever side wins, it usually turns out to be 
the wrong side.   If no one wins, no problem.

> > Nothing like a long holy war with no clear winner to teach 
> > people the virtues of religious tolerance.  That is, after
> > all, how Europeans learnt that lesson.

> You're dreaming.  People simply do not learn from history.

But we learnt from history.  Europe, and Europeans, did learn
from the European holy wars.

> Many things would be nice if [group A] were busy killing
> [enemy B] instead of [group C].  Sadly, this is not a perfect
> world and the people who need the most killing do not,
> generally speaking, get it.
>
> Perhaps it is a bit of a shame that the kind of broken person
> who ends up becoming a suicide bomber, a Ted Kaczynski, a
> Timothy McVeigh, or even a Jim Sikorski,

First:  Three cheers for Timothy McViegh.

Secondly, the people who organize large scale terror can be 
identified, particularly by locals and coreligionists, which is
why they have been dying in large numbers in Afghanistan.


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[James A. Donald]

--
James A Donald wrote...
> > What made [Afghanistan] a breeding ground for terrorism was
> > not civil war, but diminuition of civil war.  The problem
> > was that the Taliban was damn near victorious.  If the US
> > government had maintained the relationship with our former
> > anti communist allies, and kept on sending them arms, we
> > never would have had 9/11

Tyler Durden
> Well, that's not particularly convincing. First of all, even
> during the Taliban's reign there were plenty of warlords that
> ran some regions of Afghanistan.

I seem to recall you lot claiming that the Taliban had
successfully restored order - (you see the Taliban being able
to massacre civilians unoppose as order)

There was some truth in that claim.  They controlled 95%.  Had
their been less truth, the Taliban would have had less ability
to make trouble.

> More to the point is that a long term period of chaos and
> turbulence causes the locals to be willing to open the door
> to the like of the Taliban, as long as they offer some kind
> of peace.

So we should therefore make sure they cannot offer some kind of
peace.

In Iraq, the Pentagon cannot supply peace.  Why then should we
allow those who wish to destroy us provide peace?   If we
cannot have peace, no one should.

>  The period between Soviet withdrawal
> and the Taliban was uglier than practically anything
> imaginable...one batch of warlords would take over, killing
> the men loyal to the previous batch and raping the women,

Nonsense.  The ugly thing about the period before Taliban rule
was that the Taliban, or people of much the same ideology,
would persistently destroy murder and rape in order to get
people to submit to their rule.  When opposition largely
collapsed, their massacres did not cease, though their rapes
became more discrete.  Instead, they decided to expand their
terror onto a wider stage.

The war was not warlord vs warlord, it was radical Islamists vs
the rest, the rest being warlords and conservative Islamists. 
The radical Islamists won, but victory did not appease their
appetite for terror.

> and then another batch would take over and do the same thing.

All the big crimes were committed by the Taliban or their ally
Hekmatyar.


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Re: Patriot Insurance

[Eugen Leitl]

Can we please get out of the regional fixation? The cypherpunks list isn't
about the US, US pissant wars, and similiar boring backwater shit.

It's too bad this list is dying a death of a thousand paper cuts inflicted by
moronic posts, as so many others had. I haven't used a
.procmailrc in a couple years, perhaps we can postpone this with a little
collective effort.

On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 01:38:58PM +, Will Morton wrote:
>"US Patriot Financial (USPF) exists to help Americans, who risk 
> their lives making this world a better place, obtain life insurance.   
> This includes resident aliens.
>Whether you are a soldier deploying overseas, a DOD contractor 
> helping to rebuild war torn countries,  a missionary volunteering to 
> help the most needy, or a business man or woman traveling the globe to 
> support our economy we can help.
>Using  our extensive network of life insurance carriers, we are able 
> to provide protection to those whose service leads them into some of the 
> world's most dangerous places.   This includes US citizens living abroad."
> 
>http://www.uspfinancial.com/
> 
>How long have soldiers deployed in war-zones been able to get life 
> insurance?  Would love to see their actuarial process...
> 
>W
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Re: Patriot Insurance

[Chuck Wolber]

On Thu, 25 Nov 2004, Steve Furlong wrote:

> It's been a while since I was in the US Army, but I'm sure that the life 
> insurance we had didn't cover parachute-related deaths and I vaguely 
> recall it didn't cover combat deaths. Kinda serious omissions, from the 
> soldier's point of view.

If I'm not mistaken, that's because there are other provisions elsewhere 
in a soldier's "benefit" package to cover those omissions. I know not what 
those would be atm.

-Chuck


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US-centrism

[Steve Furlong]

On Thu, 2004-11-25 at 16:16, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> Can we please get out of the regional fixation? The cypherpunks list isn't
> about the US, US pissant wars, and similiar boring backwater shit.

Response 1:
When the US sneezes, the world catches a cold.

Response 2:
The cpunks list isn't US-centric, but most of the regular posters are in
the US. Even if you don't count Bob Hettinga because he mostly forwards
news articles rather than write original content, and don't count Tyler
Durden and me because we're idiots, I think you still have mostly
Americans posting.

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Re: Patriot Insurance

[Tyler Durden]

Well, I guess I agree. However, there is some issues of Cypherpunkly 
importance here, particularly concerning nation-states fighting other 
nation-states. Though I can't consider myself a true-believing anarchist, my 
own personal reason for continuing to post on the subject was to illustrate 
that, as long as Group-of-Bandits X continues to utilize our tax dollars to 
fuck over geographically removed Group of Bandits Y (and their citizenry), 
then some form of local resistance a la Blacknet (and arguably more drastic 
measures) might be called for, irregardless of how much Group-of-Bandits X 
(and their hypnotized citzenry) believe they're marching on God's orders.

-TD
From: Eugen Leitl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Patriot Insurance
Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2004 22:16:02 +0100
Can we please get out of the regional fixation? The cypherpunks list isn't
about the US, US pissant wars, and similiar boring backwater shit.
It's too bad this list is dying a death of a thousand paper cuts inflicted 
by
moronic posts, as so many others had. I haven't used a
.procmailrc in a couple years, perhaps we can postpone this with a little
collective effort.

On Thu, Nov 25, 2004 at 01:38:58PM +, Will Morton wrote:
>"US Patriot Financial (USPF) exists to help Americans, who risk
> their lives making this world a better place, obtain life insurance.
> This includes resident aliens.
>Whether you are a soldier deploying overseas, a DOD contractor
> helping to rebuild war torn countries,  a missionary volunteering to
> help the most needy, or a business man or woman traveling the globe to
> support our economy we can help.
>Using  our extensive network of life insurance carriers, we are able
> to provide protection to those whose service leads them into some of the
> world's most dangerous places.   This includes US citizens living 
abroad."
>
>http://www.uspfinancial.com/
>
>How long have soldiers deployed in war-zones been able to get life
> insurance?  Would love to see their actuarial process...
>
>W
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[Major Variola (ret)]

>Seen the Norwegian site that calls for Bush's head shot?
>Two URLs, the last vivid:
>
>  http://www.killhim.nu/
>
>  http://killhimwith.bazooka.at/once/

Quite refreshing (although a simple macromedia browser game would have
been a nice
touch) when a US teenager armed with a Dylan song warrants
a visit from the men in black:

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_3323602,00.html

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Re: Fallujah: Marine Eye-Witness Report

[James A. Donald]

--
On 25 Nov 2004 at 10:10, Tyler Durden wrote:
> More to the point is that a long term period of chaos and
> turbulence causes the locals to be willing to open the door
> to the like of the Taliban,

Those who used to mindlessly chant commie propaganda now
mindlessly chant islamist propaganda.

Just as it was supposedly capitalist oppression and injustice
that makes the oppressed masses supposedly warmly embrace their
communist liberators, in the same way we infidels supposedly
endlessly fight among ourselves.  Supposedly that part of the
world not under Islamic overlords is Dar Al-Harb (Abode of
War),  thus leading us to gladly submit to the peace provided
by becoming second class citizens under islamic overlords.  Dar
Al-Islam (Abode of Islam)

The violence of which you speak was not warlords fighting
warlords, but the Taliban and its predecessor attacking men
women and children, for example the shelling of Kabul.

The relief that people expected to obtain by submitting to
Taliban rule was not relief from fighting each other, but
relief from indiscriminate Taliban attacks.


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