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Re: Vote for nobody

[Justin]

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On 2004-09-06T06:22:29-0700, Sarad AV wrote:
> 
> the election commision of india had a proposal to the
> govt. that the voter should be able to vote for 'none
> of the above'. Though one can predict that such a
> proposal will never be approved by the government, it
> makes a lot of sense. Is any other democratic country
> seriously thinking of implementing such an option?


If someone would vote for "none of the above" rather than write in
his/her ideal candidate, that someone is a lazy oaf.  Everyone who
writes in a candidate is voting "none of the above."

The 50% of the U.S. population which doesn't vote is also voting "none
of the above" in a way.  There's a difference in that some non-voters
may slightly prefer one candidate over another, but _assuming that
everyone has an ideal candidate_ they'd be willing to go to the polls
for, not voting is the same as saying all the candidates are
significantly less than the ideal.

- -- 
"When in our age we hear these words: It will be judged by the result--then we
know at once with whom we have the honor of speaking.  Those who talk this way
are a numerous type whom I shall designate under the common name of assistant
professors."  -- Kierkegaard, Fear and Trembling (Wong tr.), III, 112

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Re: Vote for nobody

[Will Morton]

Justin wrote:
On 2004-09-06T06:22:29-0700, Sarad AV wrote:
 

the election commision of india had a proposal to the
govt. that the voter should be able to vote for 'none
of the above'. Though one can predict that such a
proposal will never be approved by the government, it
makes a lot of sense. Is any other democratic country
seriously thinking of implementing such an option?
   


If someone would vote for "none of the above" rather than write in
his/her ideal candidate, that someone is a lazy oaf.  Everyone who
writes in a candidate is voting "none of the above."
The 50% of the U.S. population which doesn't vote is also voting "none
of the above" in a way.  There's a difference in that some non-voters
may slightly prefer one candidate over another, but _assuming that
everyone has an ideal candidate_ they'd be willing to go to the polls
for, not voting is the same as saying all the candidates are
significantly less than the ideal.
 

   The difference being that in a system such as Sarad describes, if 
'None of the above' gets more votes than any candidate, the election is 
declared void and a re-election is called (possibly excluding any of the 
candidates from the first round, depending on the details); hence, the 
50% of the population who think 'they're all fvckers' have a reason to 
go to the polls.

   I've experienced such a system in action (within a student body) and 
it works well, provided you like your democracy to be loud and 
participatory.  For this reason it's unlikely to be implemented by an 
incumbent government, though I guess it's possible an uber-populist like 
Chavez or Lula might consider it.

   W

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EWeek

 Spam Spotlight on Reputation


Spam Spotlight on Reputation

September 6, 2004
 By   Dennis Callaghan



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Re: Vote for nobody

[Bill Stewart]

I think the US state of Nevada has "None of the above" as an option,
though I'm not sure the implementation of it.
The Libertarian Party in the US always has NOTA as a candidate
in internal elections, and sometimes NOTA wins and the job
goes unfilled until either there's a new election with new candidates
or some executive committee appoints somebody.
At 09:57 AM 9/6/2004, Justin wrote:
If someone would vote for "none of the above" rather than write in
his/her ideal candidate, that someone is a lazy oaf.  Everyone who
writes in a candidate is voting "none of the above."
NOTA's a bit different - there may be a large plurality of voters
who don't like the major candidates, even if they don't agree
on who else they want.  In a election where you're voting for a party,
like most parliamentary governments use, voting NOTA is telling the parties
to run different candidates, so for instance you might want
the Labour Party to win but you don't like Tony Blair so you vote NOTA
in his home district.  In candidate-based elections,
you're telling the individual candidates that you don't like them.


Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: Remailers an unsolvable paradox?

[Bill Stewart]

There are several different types of problem messages,
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- Spam
- Harassing messages sent to remailer users
- Harassing messages sent to mundanes to annoy the mundane
- Harassing messages sent to mundanes to get the remailer in trouble
- Harassing messages sent to third-parties (e.g. sending Bob slander about 
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- Usenet flamebait

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You've received an anonymous message at (foo-remailer)
It may be from someone you know, or may be a forgery or spam
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If you'd like to pick up the message, reply to this message.
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Bill Stewart  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: Spam Spotlight on Reputation

[Hadmut Danisch]

On Mon, Sep 06, 2004 at 11:52:03AM -0600, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> 
> E-mail security company MX Logic Inc. will report this week that 10 percent
> of all spam includes such SPF records,

I have mentioned this problem more than a year ago in context of 
my RMX draft (SPF, CallerID and SenderID are based on RMX).
Interestingly, nobody really cared about this major security problem.

All RMX-derivatives block forged messages (more or less).  But what
happens if the attacker doesn't forge? That's a hard problem.  And a
problem known from the very beginning of the sender verifikation
discussion.


The last 17 month of work in ASRG (Anti Spam Research
Group, IRTF) and MARID (Mail authorization records in DNS, IETF) are
an excellent example of how to not design security protocols. 

This was all about marketing, commercial interests, patent claims,
giving interviews, spreading wrong informations, underminding
development, propaganda. It completely lacked proper protocol design,
a precise specification of the attack to defend against, engineering
of security mechanisms. It was a kind of religious war. And while 
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this is not a real threat to spam. Actually, it sometimes was quite
the opposite: I was told of some cases where MTAs were configured to 
run every mail through spam assassin. Spam assassin assigns a message
a higher score if the sender had a valid SPF record. Since most
senders with valid recors were the spammers, spam received a higher
score than plain mail, which is obviously the opposite of security. 
People spent more time in marketing and public relations than 
in problem analysis and verifikation of the solution. That's the 
result.

What can we learn from this?

Designing security protocols requires a certain level of 
security skills and discipline in what you want to achieve. 

Although RMX/SPF/CallerID/SenderID does not make use of cryptography,
similar problems can be sometimes found in context of cryptography.
Knowing security primitives is not enough, you need to know how to
assemble them to a security mechanism.  Good lectures are given about
the mathematical aspects of cryptography. But are there lectures about
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And there is a new kind of attack: Security protocols themselves 
can be hijacked and raped by patent claims. 


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[R. A. Hettinga]

The Guardian

Maths holy grail could bring disaster for internet

Two of the seven million dollar challenges that have baffled for more than
a century may be close to being solved
Tim Radford, science editor
Tuesday September 7, 2004

The Guardian
Mathematicians could be on the verge of solving two separate million dollar
problems. If they are right - still a big if - and somebody really has
cracked the so-called Riemann hypothesis, financial disaster might follow.
Suddenly all cryptic codes could be breakable. No internet transaction
would be safe.

 On the other hand, if somebody has already sorted out the so-called
Poincaré conjecture, then scientists will understand something profound
about the nature of spacetime, experts told the British Association science
festival in Exeter yesterday.

 Both problems have stood for a century or more. Each is almost dizzyingly
arcane: the problems themselves are beyond simple explanation, and the
candidate answers published on the internet are so intractable that they
could baffle the biggest brains in the business for many months.

 They are two of the seven "millennium problems" and four years ago the
Clay Mathematics Institute in the US offered $1m (£563,000) to anyone who
could solve even one of these seven. The hypothesis formulated by Georg
Friedrich Bernhard Riemann in 1859, according to Marcus du Sautoy of Oxford
University, is the holy grail of mathematics. "Most mathematicians would
trade their soul with Mephistopheles for a proof," he said.

 The Riemann hypothesis would explain the apparently random pattern of
prime numbers - numbers such as 3, 17 and 31, for instance, are all prime
numbers: they are divisible only by themselves and one. Prime numbers are
the atoms of arithmetic. They are also the key to internet cryptography: in
effect they keep banks safe and credit cards secure.

 This year Louis de Branges, a French-born mathematician now at Purdue
University in the US, claimed a proof of the Riemann hypothesis. So far,
his colleagues are not convinced. They were not convinced, years ago, when
de Branges produced an answer to another famous mathematical challenge, but
in time they accepted his reasoning. This time, the mathematical community
remains even more sceptical.

 "The proof he has announced is rather incomprehensible. Now mathematicians
are less sure that the million has been won," Prof du Sautoy said.

 "The whole of e-commerce depends on prime numbers. I have described the
primes as atoms: what mathematicians are missing is a kind of mathematical
prime spectrometer. Chemists have a machine that, if you give it a
molecule, will tell you the atoms that it is built from. Mathematicians
haven't invented a mathematical version of this. That is what we are after.
If the Riemann hypothesis is true, it won't produce a prime number
spectrometer. But the proof should give us more understanding of how the
primes work, and therefore the proof might be translated into something
that might produce this prime spectrometer. If it does, it will bring the
whole of e-commerce to its knees, overnight. So there are very big
implications."

 The Poincaré conjecture depends on the almost mind-numbing problem of
understanding the shapes of spaces: mathematicians call it topology.
Bernhard Riemann and other 19th century scholars wrapped up the
mathematical problems of two-dimensional surfaces of three dimensional
objects - the leather around a football, for instance, or the distortions
of a rubber sheet. But Henri Poincaré raised the awkward question of
objects with three dimensions, existing in the fourth dimension of time. He
had already done groundbreaking work in optics, thermodynamics, celestial
mechanics, quantum theory and even special relativity and he almost
anticipated Einstein. And then in 1904 he asked the most fundamental
question of all: what is the shape of the space in which we live? It turned
out to be possible to prove the Poincaré conjecture in unimaginable worlds,
where objects have four or five or more dimensions, but not with three.

 "The one case that is really of interest because it connects with physics,
is the one case where the Poincaré conjecture hasn't been solved," said
Keith Devlin, of Stanford University in California.

 In 2002 a Russian mathematician called Grigori Perelman posted the first
of a series of internet papers. He had worked in the US, and was known to
American mathematicians before he returned to St Petersburg. His proof - he
called it only a sketch of a proof - was very similar in some ways to that
of Fermat's last theorem, cracked by the Briton Andrew Wiles in the last
decade.

 Like Wiles, Perelman is claiming to have proved a much more complicated
general problem and in the course of it may have solved a special one that
has tantalised mathematicians for a century. But his papers made not a
single reference to Poincaré or his conjecture. Even so, mat

What are the risks associated with partially know cipher keys

[Padraig MacIain]

I am fairly sure this is a particularily naive question but its been
making me think for a few days.

The question that I'd like to ask of those more in the know than I is:

   Does partially known passphrases/cipher keys offer a great risk to
encryption?

Obviously for something simple like a Vigenere cipher its a huge
problem. However, does it offer a great risk for something like
OpenPGP if the passphrase used to access the secretkey  is partially
compromised? And in turn if the passphrase is completely known yet the
secret key is still secured (physically) does knowing this passphrase
risk a complete compromise of the key pair?


-- 
Padraig MacIain
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