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>On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
>There is some minuscule proportion of X-rays produced by CRT displays.

Produced by the ebeam decelerating on the shadow mask, but adsorbed
by the glass.

Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 11:36 PM 7/20/03 -0700, John Kozubik wrote:
>On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Steve Schear wrote:
>
>> >remove a small 1" button pinned to my left lapel.  I declined,
saying
>> >that it was a political statement and that he had no right to censor

>> >passengers' political speech.  The button, which was created by
>
>Where do these ridiculous ideas come from ?  If I own a piece of
private
>property, like an airplane (or an entire airline) for instance, I can
>impose whatever senseless and arbitrary conditions on your use of it as
I
>please.

Yes.
Except that you entered into a contract to transport a human in exchange

for money.  No where in the contract was "banned speech" mentioned.

Suppose that instead two men were kicked off a flight for holding hands,

or a woman & offspring for breast-feeding.  That would be a violation of
the transportation
contract.  Because such behavior does not endanger the flight or
passengers.
(Although all behaviors cannot be enumerated, under a "reasonable"
common-law interpretation
of the contract, passive speech (vs. say screaming the whole flight) is
harmless.)

Private property rights, of course.  But contract law too.

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> over the weekend.

Of course, the rest of us are not so privledged.

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Re: Defeating Optical Tempest will be easy...

[Peter Fairbrother]

Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> At 02:17 AM 7/21/03 +0200, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Jul 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:
>> There is some minuscule proportion of X-rays produced by CRT displays.
> 
> Produced by the ebeam decelerating on the shadow mask, but adsorbed
> by the glass.
> 

a_b_sorbed. Absorb is a widely used word meaning 3to drink in, to soak up,2
both literally and figuratively. Adsorb is a specialized technical term,
meaning only 3to collect a condensed gas or liquid on a surface.2



The glass of CRT's absorbs so much of the X-rays that it might be hard to
detect a signal at all at any distance, but then the signal is not swamped
by noise from the not-immediately-illuminated areas, unlike the optical
emissions.

"0.5 milliroentgens per hour at a distance of five (5) centimeters from any
point on the external surface of the receiver" is the US legal limit[*], and
low voltage (and thus very low x-ray emission) crt monitors are common now,
if not a de-facto standard.

However, I expect shot noise to be a limiting factor here. Unfortunately,
the Roentgen is such a wierd unit it's not that easy to convert it to
photons and do the math!




A light background on a CRT screen image will give out enough delayed light
to give problems in the s/n ratio of an optical TEMPEST attack. It's much
easier to "see" white text on a black background than black text on a white
background.


I use 180:210:210[**] (r:g:b) text on a 255:255:255 window background at
present, with very light wallpaper, though I speckle both slightly. It's a
little hard to read, but much better than some other suggested combinations.



[*]< Probably far too high for safety! Originally for TV's, where the
viewing distance is much higher. But most modern monitors will emit much
less than that. I hope! >

[**]< I replaced the black in Marcus's anti-em-tempest fonts with
180:210:210, and varied the other colours in proportion. >

-- 
Peter Fairbrother

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:  Help Wanted: Internet Spy
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*

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Re: CDR: Re: A day in the life...NY Times today

[J.A. Terranson]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:

> "We have taken a real national
> resource, our youth, and trained them to act as mindless droids, devoid of
> even the minimum reasoning powers possessed by small insects, and I am,
> inexplicably, astounded."
> 
> Hence the photo on the first page of today's NY Times.

For those of us not on the Right Coast, please provide a link to the
photo.  I looked at various NYT web pages, but saw nothing that looked to be
what you were trying to reference :-(

> 
> -TD
> 

-- 
Yours, 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Every living thing dies alone."
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Re: CDR: Re: A day in the life...NY Times today

[J.A. Terranson]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:

> "We have taken a real national
> resource, our youth, and trained them to act as mindless droids, devoid of
> even the minimum reasoning powers possessed by small insects, and I am,
> inexplicably, astounded."
> 
> Hence the photo on the first page of today's NY Times.
> 
> -TD

Uggghhh.  I hate replying to myself - never mind, I think I found it :-(.

Yes.  Exactly so.  My point holds...

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Re: A day in the life

[Eric Murray]

On Sun, Jul 20, 2003 at 04:07:58PM -0500, J.A. Terranson wrote:


[ID experience at giant mega-corp casino]

[ID experience at Jiffy-loob]

If you patronize only corporate mega-stores, this is what you get.
None of the (locally-owned) resturants I eat breakfast at do any
loyalty card bullshit, they happily accept anonymous cash and the food
is wonderful.  The vendors at the local farmer's market take cash too.
The local stores in the chain of bicycle stores I sometimes go to for
tires and parts do sometimes ask me if I want to be on their buyers club
thing, I just say no and that's fine with them.

You need to shop at stores run by humans. If you have to
patronize a mega-corp, stick up for yourself.  They insist
because it works on most people.  There is no
need to baaah along with the sheep.


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Re: Defeating Optical Tempest will be easy...

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 07:49 PM 7/21/03 +0100, Peter Fairbrother wrote:
>a_b_sorbed. Absorb is a widely used word meaning 3to drink in, to soak
up,2
>both literally and figuratively. Adsorb is a specialized technical
term,
>meaning only 3to collect a condensed gas or liquid on a surface.2

Thank you.  Have a hard time keeping them straight.  Probably a textual
clue that will undermine my pseudo-anonymity some day :-)

>The glass of CRT's absorbs so much of the X-rays that it might be hard
to
>detect a signal at all at any distance, but then the signal is not
swamped
>by noise from the not-immediately-illuminated areas, unlike the optical

>emissions.

Yes but anything that picks up the weak X-ray will be sensitive to other

normal background ionizing.  With a proportional counter like a
scintillator/PMT
combo, where you could discriminate different types of radiation on the
basis of pulse height,
but you'll be down in the photomultiplier tube's noise.  And as a cosmic
ray secondary
slows down it can generate x-rays.

Maybe if the Adversary is allowed cryogenic detectors in the next room
over... he still has to deal with the attenuating
coefficient for drywall, etc.  And again, I think basically nothing gets
through the glass.

>"0.5 milliroentgens per hour at a distance of five (5) centimeters from
any
>point on the external surface of the receiver" is the US legal
limit[*], and
>low voltage (and thus very low x-ray emission) crt monitors are common
now,
>if not a de-facto standard.

That's pretty hot, actually.   A glass vial of 5 gms U Acetate is only
twice that,
a few mm from the alpha-window of a GM detector.
And the broad face of a CRT means 1/R^2 doesn't apply until you
get some distance away... more like 1/R for an infinite slab.

>However, I expect shot noise to be a limiting factor here.
Unfortunately,
>the Roentgen is such a wierd unit it's not that easy to convert it to
>photons and do the math!

Since the signal is rastering at MHz, you can't very well integrate
ionizing radiation over long times,
as you could to say detect the betas coming out of a jar of salt
substitute (potassium).

Roentgens are defined as producing a certain amount of ionization in dry
air.
The photons doing the ionizing would range from the 10's of keV for
X-rays
to MeV for gammas.  (Careful with that brightness control Eugene!)  An
ion
pair takes about 37 eV to form.  Compare with visible light's very small
range,
blue to red.

>I use 180:210:210[**] (r:g:b) text on a 255:255:255 window background
at
>present, with very light wallpaper, though I speckle both slightly.
It's a
>little hard to read, but much better than some other suggested
combinations.

I hope you don't do this all the time...

>[*]< Probably far too high for safety! Originally for TV's, where the
>viewing distance is much higher. But most modern monitors will emit
much
>less than that. I hope! >

As do TVs.  Nowadays its the Radon daughters attracted to the charged
glass
that will be giving you your RDA (Radiation Daily Allowance.. RDA is a
Yank FDA pun)

Also some of the TV radiation was from HV tubes inside the box; that was
solved by first
using leaded glass (hack!) and then more elegantly by getting rid of
tubes.

Re: Cypherpunks archive

[Steve Furlong]

On Monday 21 July 2003 19:49, someone wrote:
>   Can you make the raw mbox archive available, or do you have that? 
> If it's less than about 200 meg, I can also receive it as an
> attachment, if you're sadistic with your mail server.

Let me think about it, and maybe ask some of the list members. The HTML 
that appears on the web page is sanitized a bit to prevent address 
harvesting. Not that c-punks' addresses are that hard to obtain other 
ways, but when I started the archive several people emphatically stated 
that they wanted the sanitizing.

Maybe I'll write a short script to sanitize the addresses in the mbox. 
That'll take a while to develop, to make sure I don't miss anything and 
because my spare time is limited for the next month and a half.

If I do make the mboxes available, they'll be available as .gz's off my 
top cypherpunks page. I'll post to the list if I do it.


List members: any preferences?


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  电话营销培训班邀请函

  
  

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  尊敬的＿＿＿先生/女士: 
  全球500强企业用于培训电话营销精英的必修课程！
  从产品的推销员成为解决客户问题的专家顾问，从而迈向销售巅峰！
  中国电信、TCL、华为、科健、华润集团、徐工集团、东风汽车等著名公司亲力实践。
  真诚推荐国内电话营销专家程文先生！
  2003年08月1日(星期五) 深圳市华强宾馆六楼
  一天的电话销售课程，您学到的都是赚$$ 的实招！


  
  点击查看学员留影

  
  
据权威调查，在电话营销过程中，普遍存在以下困惑
  
  

  
$ 桌上黄页几本，电话名录成堆，但到底应该优先开发哪些客户；
  $ 终于与关键人物约好见面，但当你到达客户公司时秘书却告诉你他在开会或已经出差； $ 面对电话中一次又一次的被拒绝，如何从挫败中调整心情寻找成就感；
  $ 在与客户无法见面的情况下，如何建立一个足以让客户信赖的声音形象；
  $ “内鬼”总是热情的告诉你没问题，订单却最终落入一个你从未听说过的竞争对手手中；
  $ 绞尽脑汁试图接近客户决策核心时，却不知道真正的关键人物到底是谁；
  $ 不失时机的向客户宣讲产品给客户带来的价值，而客户却听而不闻；
  $ 按照客户的要求寄出很多相关资料后，想与他约个见面机会客户都说没兴趣；
  $ 面对热情的客户你全力以赴，终于迎来成交时刻，客户却遗憾的说暂时不需要； $ 当遭遇竞争对手的挑战时，无论怎样表白产品优于对手，客户却只关心价格是否可以更低。
   
  如果你对这些问题没有清晰的答案，本课程将为你提供系统的解决方案。
  

  
  
目　标　效　果
  
  

  
  ■ 掌握有效发掘客户潜在需求的方法，做好客户的服务工作。
  ■ 准确把握客户购买心理、行为的特征，成为客户的顾问。
  ■ 将客户的异议消灭于萌芽状态之中，扫平前进路上的障碍。
■ 掌握获取客户承诺的技巧，赢得订单。
■ 完善售后服务，与客户共结百年之好。
  

  
  
课　程　特　色
  
  

   
  系统性：让学员知其然更知其所以然，在每个案例与技巧背后是消费者行为的实践理论，弄清来龙去脉，做到融会贯通。
  完整性：传统的培训堆砌支离破碎的各种技巧，下课后学员仍然不知如何运用；现在将所有的技巧都融入到总案例中，让学员运用所学的技巧连成一条 “项链”，而不是带回一堆上好的
“散珍珠”
  对照性：不仅讲如何做是正确的，而且讲怎样做不正确！正反对照，是非立现。
  参与性：传统的培训是从理论到实践的灌输式教学，老师为中心，学员被动倾听；现在每一章节都从现实销售工作的真实案例研讨开始，采用角色扮演的方式，让学员尽情享受学习过程乐趣，自己得出结论。
   

  
  
课　程　对　象
  
  

   
  企业总裁、总经理、高级销售代表、客户经理、营销总监、业务代表、秘书等。

  
  
讲　师　简　介
  
  

  程 文：中国市场营销管理协会副秘书长，PTT国际认证银章讲师，深圳市南方略营销管理咨询有限公司首席培训师，深圳市民营企业家协会高级顾问，中国销售管理“实操型专业培训”的发起人与实践者，多次出席并参与国际知名管理机构的专业培训及国际管理学术研讨，具有10年市场营销管理及专业培训师的职业经历。
  
  先后供职于中国石化集团公司、新加坡亚洲太平洋酿酒有限公司(TIGER BEER)、信达电源股份有限公司、知己迅联通讯有限公司历任品牌经理、事业部部长、营销总监等职，是真正意义上从市场一线成长起来的具有销售、市场实战经验的营销经理人。他的主要研究方向是顾客的消费心理与行为、电话营销、大客户销售、销售通路的变革管理、销售组织的建设与管理。每年在全国各地巡回演讲和培训50场以上，受训人员达万余人。
  受益于他的课程的企业有： TCL、创维、方太厨具、科健集团、中国电信、华为、徐工集团、南玻集团、三菱、胜利油田、中石油、华润集团、鹰牌陶瓷、嘉俊陶瓷、云大科技、道博股份、红太阳集团等跨国企业及上市集团公司。
  钱金东---营销培训顾问,资深策划人, 具有十多年市场营销管理经历,曾供职南非最大电信公司WOODCOM，英国“韦易达”投资顾问公司、香港“UPS”快递公司，多次参加国际知名管理机构的专业培训,NLP学习者，拥有C&G(英国伦敦城市行业协会)颁发的国际培训导师资格证书,深圳市电话销售培训创办人。
  胡燕萍中国(深圳)教育企业股份有限公司培训中心培训师,国际职业经理人俱乐部会长, 多次参加国际知名管理机构的专业培训及国际管理学术研讨,拥有多年电话销售经验,
深圳市电话销售培训创办人之一.
  

  
  
课程费用
  
  

  标准价格760元/人，包括一天课程、讲义、午餐、课间茶歇。
  外地学员协助安排住宿，其费用自理。三人以上（含三人）集体报名可享受九折优惠。
  报名安排时间：2003年7月21日～30日 
  订位热线：0755-83002661/83777433 /FAX：83777938
  报名/上课地点：深圳市振华路100号华强宾馆六楼（深纺集团C座）
  主办单位：中国（深圳）教育培训中心 深圳市电话营销有限公司
  详细请查询：http://www.city-edu.com

  


  

中国网站访问量排行榜

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从网络进入中国以来，很多网络公司在对外宣传中总是任意加大自己的

访问量，虽然访问量里的猫腻众所周知，但真正的事实怎样？一直难以找到根据！

请看真实的中国网站访问量排行榜： http://www.jincao.com/phb.htm 

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2003年7月22日

mpeg4远程多点ip视频会议及视频监控

[tom]

  
AVCON视频会议系统，是利用视频、音频压缩技术及点到多点的通信技术，构筑在IP网络上的全新会议解决方案。
该系统不同于传统的基于会议室的会议系统，它不需要固定的线路和固定的会议地点、不依赖于固定的设备和昂贵的硬件投资，与会者只需安坐在会议室、办公室里或家中，随时随地，随便用一台笔记本电脑或PC，连上网络，通过公用网络，连接到互联网，就可以随时和各地的商业伙伴和同行进行数据、音频及视频的交流通讯。
由于该系统在会议终端和服务器端采用纯软件的解决方案，会议终端仅仅是通过会议客户端软件，而服务器端是虚拟的大型会议中心。通过该系统，无论多远，还是多少人都可以在这里进行会议交谈、演讲、报告或个人之间的无障碍交流，体验前所未有的实时、高质量的交互式音频和视频体验，并能为用户节约人力、物力，以低投入获得高收益。
视频会议系统特点：
 
1・纯软件形式，可利用现有计算机硬件资源和网络环境。基于TCP/IP架构，内网外网互通（外网 
使用服务器端要有外网合法ip地址）。使用者位置可漂移，在任何连通的网络节点都可以参加或主持会议，无需像硬件视频会议必须限定在已经安装了设备的会议室。
  
 
2・采用web浏览器界面，无需专门安装配置软件，随意一台计算机合法身份登陆下载客户端后即可使用全部功能参加会议。系统管理员更可远程管理配置各项功能。
 3・真正多点会议，系统容量可大可小，扩容方便。多人可以同时参加各自的会议而互不干扰 
。每个客户端最多可同时显示16路视音频。和同类产品比较在同等图像质量下所产生码流最小。
 
4・系统功能比硬件形式会议强大方便许多。同时图像质量稳定性都达到了较高水平。对带宽要求不高，普通用户用adsl即可取得满意效果。且不许要合法ip地址，可节约大量日后使用通讯费用。
 
5・用户可组建完全独立的会议系统，保密性强。且所有软件压缩算法和交换协议都使用我公司独立研发专有技术，绝无泄密之忧。
有意者可以联系在线试用,方案咨询，提供技术资料。（另有远程多点视频监控方案）
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Re: A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online

[Steve Furlong]

On Monday 21 July 2003 01:12, R. A. Hettinga wrote:
> t&position=>
>
> A 'Funky A.T.M.' Lets You Pay for Purchases Made Online

I worked on a commercial digital money system a few years ago. One of 
their business models was almost identical to Amos': stick cash in a 
kiosk to get electronic money. It'd be interesting to see how that 
system plays with Amos' patent. (I won't be able to observe directly, 
as I was fired from that company because I'm an incompetent slacker 
(boss's view) or because the boss was a jack-booted jackass (my view).)


-- 
Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere   Have GNU, Will Travel

"If someone is so fearful that, that they're going to start using
their weapons to protect their rights, makes me very nervous that
these people have these weapons at all!"  -- Rep. Henry Waxman

Re: Fwd: [IP] Gilmore bounced from plane; and Farber censors Gilmore's email

[John Kozubik]

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

> >Where do these ridiculous ideas come from ?  If I own a piece of
> private
> >property, like an airplane (or an entire airline) for instance, I can
> >impose whatever senseless and arbitrary conditions on your use of it as
> I
> >please.
>
> Yes.
> Except that you entered into a contract to transport a human in exchange
>
> for money.  No where in the contract was "banned speech" mentioned.

If there are no provisions whatever for discretionary removal, then BA was
wrong to remove Gilmore - they broke their agreement.  However, I'll bet
if you read _all_ the fine print, somewhere there exists in the
contract/agreement a provision for just that.

-
John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com

寻求合作！ 中博社 13:9:38:560

[广州市中博社翻译有限公司]

广州中博社翻译有限公司
一、 公司的简介：
  广州中博社翻译有限公司(Guangzhou 
Sinolink Translation Co. Ltd.)系经国家工商局正式审核批准注册成立的一家具有法人资格的科学管理化大型专业翻译机构。本公司致力于向政府机关、企事业单位、社团组织等各界广大客户提供英、日、法、德、俄、印、韩、西、意等六十多门世界语言的口译与笔译及配套服务，并以可靠的质量与热情的服务。享誉整个华南、珠江三角洲及港澳地区。在各业界均留下良好的口碑。
二、我们的质量
广州中博社翻译有限公司拥有一支由300多名系统化、专业化、翻译经验丰富的优秀翻译精英组成队伍。通过严格甄别与合理优化，构成了一个门类齐全，层次分明的专业翻译服务体系，公司的翻译人员均具备资深的翻译经验。其中，公司翻译资源部有专业翻译人员38人，德高望重的专职总翻译、教授、高级工程师26人，侨居海外的归国博士、留学硕士、外籍专家及多次出国陪团的翻译13名。中博社公司译员绝大多数来自各大名牌院校，科研机构涉外企业、大型厂矿等。有的是已退休的翻译界工作者、专家、学者。他们具有多年翻译经验，精通专业技术，不仅译风稳健、外语造诣精湛丰富，而且处世严谨、富有责任心和敬业精神，文字转换字斟句酌、妙语连珠、文笔流畅。有的译员速度惊人，竟达立等可取的地步。 

质量是我们的生存命脉。广州中博社翻译有限公司建立了严格的译稿分配程序，由具有多年翻译经验和大型项目组织管理经验的高级翻译和教授组织安排。按照专业对口的原则进行译稿分配，做到合理标准配制。我们严格按照ISO.9001质量管理体系的标准规程，硬制度坚决贯彻一译­­→二改→三审→四校→五定稿­­­→六审批的质量保证方针。每一份大小译稿均由相关的翻译界名家严格把关。层层靠拢，使译文的专业性与可读性充分得到保障，力求为各业界客户提供最满意、最完美的翻译产品。   

三、我们的领域：
我们的翻译专业涵盖所有领域，具体包括:

  
  

  金融、 
  法律
  保金、 
  合同

  美容、  冶金
  气象、  认证

  评估、 建筑
  录像、 影视

  人文、  通讯
  诉讼、  海关

  医学、 石化
  专利、 机械
  

  能源、 
  汽车
  工程 广告

  石油、 环保
  网络、  仲裁

  纺织、 外贸
  商业、 造纸

  会计、  体育
  论文、  塑料

  运输、 证明
  公文、 轻工
  

  食品、 营销
  消防、   家具

  教育、 行政
  广播、 房产

  电子、 化工
  加工、 社科

  航天、  地理
  拍卖、  服饰

  简历、 报表
  火电、 IT
 
四、我们的翻译语种：
我们公司翻译语种有：英语、日语、韩语、法语、俄语、印尼语、泰语、荷兰语、印度语、芬兰语、马来语、丹麦语、希腊语、瑞典语、波兰语、阿拉伯语、意大利语、西班牙语、老挝语、葡萄牙语、巴西语、捷克语、希伯来语、德语、越南语、蒙古语、缅甸语、罗马尼西亚语等六十多种语言。    
五、我们的技术配备：
我们公司配有最先进的技术设备，确保了翻译质量及精美的排版，有多台高科技计算机、扫描仪、打印机、刻录机等以及宽带网络接入。充分保证公司内部局域网的顺利传输和稿件翻译速度，全球多语系统翻译文件电子文档，各种操作平台，以及专门的软件，大大提高处理稿件的速度，不断研究和探索最新的技术成果运用到翻译及相关工作中去。从而确保了质量控制体系的规范运作。
六、我们的服务
跨越语言障碍，促进商务全球化。广州中博社翻译有限公司依靠严格的质量控制体系，规范化的动作流程，独特的审核标准。已为政府机构、外国领事馆商务处；东南亚地区等国内外大型企业提供了高水准的翻译，
  我们一贯秉承“顾客至上、质量为本、价格合理、快捷保密的原则。一流的翻译人员，严格的翻译流程，先进的技术设备，完备的质量体系，以及全程跟踪服务，维护客户权益是本公司的服务宗旨。广泛得到了各业界的认可和高度赞誉：公司不断壮大，数十家企业和我们建立了长期的合作关系。
  守信、守时、保质、保密始终是本公司对每一位客户的庄严承诺。在经济腾飞的今天，中博社将一如既往为促进中外经济文化领域的交流和发展，搭起了一座无国界的桥梁，缩短您与世界的距离，加快您前进的步伐，竭诚为每一位客户提供质量最高、速度最快的翻译服务。
 
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