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Re: unlawful combatants, interrogation methods, is your lawyer a spook?

2003-01-11 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 09:24  AM, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

US argues against counsel for terror suspects

  By Lyle Denniston, Globe Correspondent, 1/11/2003

  WASHINGTON - The Bush administration, going to
unusual lengths to keep
  lawyers away from suspected terrorists now in
custody, has revealed in court
  its methods of secret interrogation to get 
information
from these detainees. The
  administration contends that those methods surely 
will
fail if lawyers are on hand.

Too bad for government there's a little matter of the Constitution 
which provides for access to counsel, protection against mandatory 
self-incrimination, presentation of charges, speedy and fair trial, and 
all that other rot.

"But if perps are allowed to have open trials, how will we find them 
guilty in secret?"

"If their lawyers are not actually working for us, we won't get their 
defense strategy!"

"Rules? _What_ rules!?!"

It long ago should have happened that the Supreme Court heard an 
emergency case on the Padilla matter (and similar cases) and issued an 
emergency "What part of the Bill of Rights do you bozos not 
understand?" ruling. They expedited the Gore-Bush Florida case, why not 
a real case involving real constitutional issues?

But they are silent. Well over a year has passed since the mass 
detention of 1200 Arab men in NYC, most of them legal residents, and 
yet the Supremes have said nothing. "We haven't had a case brought 
before us...of course, any lawyer bringing such a case would 
necessarily be one of the Evil Doers and would face interrogation under 
extreme prejudice...in fact, he might die in his jail cell."

And we have Zionists like Alan Dershowitz arguing that the United 
States should adopt Israel's methods of torturing the subhumans, the 
sand niggers.

The Constitution is toilet paper these days. The U.S. is preterite, 
beyond salvation. Reformatting the hard drive is necessary.


--Tim May
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moral development. You expect them to obey the law because they know 
that if they don't, those who aren't shot will be hanged." - -Michael 
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Re: Television

2003-01-11 Thread Todd Boyle
At 07:49 PM 1/8/2003, Tim May wrote:

On Wednesday, January 8, 2003, at 07:38 PM, Anonymous wrote:


[...]Am I just imagining it, or is there a definite increase in 
people never heard from
before mounting attacks on list regulars?

Indeed, someone must have posted the list address to "Mother Jones" or 
"Utne Reader" or somesuch. A lot of people unfamiliar with crypto, with 
crypto politics, or even marginally familiar with the issues of Clipper, 
Echelon, Carnivore, and liberty have appeared recently.

I don't "list regulars" are exempted from attacks, but newcomers should at 
least know what the issues are.

Most of the newcomers don't, and don't care that they don't know.

Their motives are obvious.

--Tim May

Any new visitor reading the posts of Tim May will find many self-indulgent 
posts like the above.

And comments from Tim, like yesterday's "I hope someone kills your family 
within the next two weeks."

Gee Tim, please teach us some of your great wisdom, so we can be like 
you.   I'm so glad I found this list, with its "regulars".  It is a 
veritable pearl of the Internet!  :-)

Todd



US Government didn't even claim Hamdi was Taliban

2003-01-11 Thread Tyler Durden
Ran across this in the Villiage Voice today. Basically, the Adminstration 
got some token pushback from Judge Doumar, pointing out that the 2 PAGE 
document issued by Bush & Co doesn't even specify what is meant by "enemy 
combatant", and doesn't ever actually claim Hamdi was even in the Taliban. 
In addtion, he doesn't actually seem to have been grabbed as the result of 
battle.

But then again, I guess that shouldn't be a suprise. Our boys know they have 
to take drastic measures to protect us, even if that means protecting us 
poor stupid proles from our own legal system.

Anyway, here's the link,
http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0302/hentoff.php

and here's an excerpt.

(-TD)



A fuller account of what Judge Doumar said is in an extraordinarily valuable 
report by the Lawyers Committee for Human Rights: A Year of Loss: 
Reexamining Civil Liberties Since September 11. Released last September 5, 
the report quotes more of what Judge Doumar indignantly said to the 
government prosecutor who had handed him the Mobbs document:

"I'm challenging everything in the Mobbs declaration. If you think I don't 
understand the utilization of words, you are sadly mistaken."

Mr. Mobbs had declared that Hamdi was "affiliated with a Taliban unit and 
received weapons training." Bolstering the government's case—or so it 
seemed—were photographs in some of the media of Hamdi carrying a weapon. So 
what was Judge Doumar's beef?

The Mobbs document, Judge Doumar said bluntly, "makes no effort to explain 
what 'affiliated' means nor under what criteria this 'affiliation' justified 
Hamdi's classification as an enemy combatant. The declaration is silent as 
to what level of 'affiliation' is necessary to warrant enemy combatant 
status. . . .

"It does not say where or by whom he received weapons training or the nature 
and content thereof. Indeed, a close inspection of the declaration reveals 
that [it] never claims that Hamdi was fighting for the Taliban, nor that he 
was a member of the Taliban. Without access to the screening criteria 
actually used by the government in its classification decision, this Court 
is unable to determine whether the government has paid adequate 
consideration to due process rights to which Hamdi is entitled under his 
present detention."






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Protect Your Country From Terrorists: Use Crypto Wherever possible

2003-01-11 Thread Tyler Durden
Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know, you might 
be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like. Reading the 
archives sometimes helps.

This is a good point, and one I attempted to address (very) indirectly a few 
months back. I hope this may clarify:

There's a major strength to have a list composed of folks with wildly 
different philosophies, particularly if what might "unite" them might be, 
for instance, a desire to preserve privacy. Indeed, is it not the duty of us 
fatherland-loving citizens to preserve a subset of our liberties at home 
while our boys are off protecting us from the evil ragheads and their hatred 
of our freedoms? (They're obviously jealous.)

Therefore, I hereby declare that it is the duty of all freedom-loving, 
patriotic Americans to protect our personal secrets from the terrorists who 
are listening to our conversations and trying to disrupt our economy by 
snooping in on our Internet purchases, online banking, and so on.

It is therefore encumbant on us to utilize strong crypto wherever possible, 
even in the most routine and mundane of transactions. We must also demand 
that even our naughty file-sharing systems also incorporate heavy crypto, so 
that terrorists don't even know where to look. (As for those few bad young 
people who insist on stealing from the Record Companies, shame on you, but 
we can deal with that after our war is over.) Crypto-phones, or PGP-based 
Java apps in the next generation of cell phones, will also help confuse and 
disorient the numberless terrorists that we must assume are listening 
everywhere, at all times.

Let us no longer bicker about political differences, for those will always 
exist. We need to unite NOW for the good of God, Country, and our precious 
freedoms.

My God be with us as we struggle against evil.
Tyler Durden.









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Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

2003-01-11 Thread Meyer Wolfsheim
On Sat, 11 Jan 2003, Bill Stewart wrote:

> Any time you post to a list of a bunch of people you don't know,
> you might be posting to a list of a bunch of people you don't like.
> Reading the archives sometimes helps.

A (hopefully) helpful hint for the newcomers to this list: Bill is usually
the voice of reason and of patience here. Pay attention when he posts.


-MW-




RE: It's Baaaaaaaaaaaaack - NEO Project and other distributed computing

2003-01-11 Thread Bill Stewart
At 03:35 PM 01/10/2003 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:

Neo has been ping-ponging between working on RSA-576 and the
Xbox signing key (2048 bits).


I initially thought that that sounded irresponsibly silly of them.
Now that I've read their web page, they seem a bit too disorganized
and non-mathematical to rate as "irresponsible" :-)

Some particular issues about www.theneoproject.com
- Their basic concept is "We'll run distributed computing challenges
and donate most of the winnings to charity."
Fine, but unless their approaches to the computation are good,
the main charities their supporting are electric companies and the
"Support Canada Through Global Warming" campaign...

- You have to read their forum discussions to have any clue
what they're actually doing when, because their
FAQ doesn't seem to be up to date.

- A distributed computing like this needs several parts:
- A problem to solve - they seem to keep waffling on this;
their FAQ really needs to be upfront about it,
but it only talks about RSA-576, while their forum
says they are or aren't also doing something with X-Box,
depending on their legal worries, but doesn't say what
they're trying to do to it (Cracking a 2048-bit RSA key
certainly isn't a rational problem to solve,
but maybe they're trying to crack something else about it,
like a passphrase used for a key file?)

- Some way to hand out work and collect results,
and it's possible that they've done this well,
though I doubt they scale to seti.org sizes.

- An algorithm that can solve the problem in a reasonable amount 
of time.
Their forum said something about Mahmoud's Number Field Sieve,
but I can't tell if that's currently being used or not,
or what it is (since it sounds like they were saying that
one of them developed it.)  The FAQ currently says they're
picking random numbers that might be prime, testing if 
they're prime,
and then doing trial division, which is guaranteed not to get
the correct answer except by stupendously unlikely luck,
because it's more work than simple brute force...

- A way to split up that algorithm into manageable pieces.
Well, it sounds like their current algorithm has that :-)

- A publicity campaign to get enough participant.
"Coolness + Word Of Mouth" worked fine for SETI,
and perhaps if these guys were currently cool it would 
work for them...

Now, one of their pages suggests that all of this is really just a placeholder
while they try to find a good challenge project (presumably meaning one that's
small enough to succeed at that also pays enough money to make it worthwhile,
but I'm not convinced such things exist except paid grid-computing-for-hire 
work),
and if so they ought to say so in their FAQ instead of having unbelievable 
drivel.

Until then, might as well run Yeti@home or the Search for Terrestrial 
Intelligence
http://totl.net/STI/athome/ (hey, they've got a cool logo)
or else go to http://www.aspenleaf.com/distributed/distrib-projects.html
which has a bunch of mostly-real distributed computing
(and distributed human-attention-based) projects.

(Minor note:  Some of those projects are charity-donation things,
where you click on the page and their sponsor shows you a logo
in return for donating to their page.  The Landmine Clearing one
seems like a good politically correct thing to do -
the ad is for the "CAW/TCA", which is Canadian but otherwise
doesn't say what it is, but apparently it was the
Canadian Auto Workers union before doing enough mergers to be
Nothing But Initials.  They've got a poster for their  Auto Policy Campaign 
http://www.caw.ca/images/campaigns&issues/content/norules.jpg
"No Rules.  No Borders.  Government Asleep At the Wheel.  No Jobs."
Well, three out of four isn't too bad :-)



Re: It's Baaaaaaaaaaaaack - NEO Project and other distributed computing

2003-01-11 Thread Tim May
On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 03:47  PM, Bill Stewart wrote:





- A distributed computing like this needs several parts:
- A problem to solve - they seem to keep waffling on this;
their FAQ really needs to be upfront about it,
but it only talks about RSA-576, while their forum
says they are or aren't also doing something with 
X-Box,
depending on their legal worries, but doesn't say what
they're trying to do to it (Cracking a 2048-bit RSA key
certainly isn't a rational problem to solve,
but maybe they're trying to crack something else about 
it,
like a passphrase used for a key file?)

If neither is solvable in the lifetime of the earth, does it matter 
which one they claim to be working on?

- Some way to hand out work and collect results,
and it's possible that they've done this well,
though I doubt they scale to seti.org sizes.


Although, as simple calculations show (reported here several times over 
the past decade), random and overlapping self-apportionment of keyspace 
to search is only a factor of 38% or so worse than more careful, 
non-overlapping apportionment is. (And random apportionment stops the 
attack where someone finds the solution, or knows where it is and 
claims that portion of the keyspace to search, and then doesn't 
announce a solution.)




- A way to split up that algorithm into manageable pieces.
Well, it sounds like their current algorithm has that 
:-)

You mean like "All computers on planets circling stars in the Local 
Group will work for the next billion years on the following one 
trillionth piece of the keyspace."?


(Minor note:  Some of those projects are charity-donation things,
where you click on the page and their sponsor shows you a logo
in return for donating to their page.  The Landmine Clearing one
seems like a good politically correct thing to do -


Reason enough _not_ to participate.

--Tim May




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2003-01-11 Thread Bill Stewart
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Re: It's Baaaaaaaaaaaaack - NEO Project and other distributed computing

2003-01-11 Thread Bill Stewart
At 04:23 PM 01/11/2003 -0800, Tim May wrote:

On Saturday, January 11, 2003, at 03:47  PM, Bill Stewart wrote:





- A distributed computing like this needs several parts:
- A problem to solve - they seem to keep waffling on this;
their FAQ really needs to be upfront about it,
but it only talks about RSA-576, while their forum
says they are or aren't also doing something with X-Box,
depending on their legal worries, but doesn't say what
they're trying to do to it (Cracking a 2048-bit RSA key
certainly isn't a rational problem to solve,
but maybe they're trying to crack something else about it,
like a passphrase used for a key file?)


If neither is solvable in the lifetime of the earth, does it matter which 
one they claim to be working on?

RSA-576 is certainly crackable in a reasonable lifetime,
though not likely by these guys.  RSA expects it to be done in a year or so.
2048-bit RSA obviously isn't factorable with current mathematics
unless somebody can build a high-resolution quantum computer.

Cracking a 128-bit-entropy passphrase with a 128-or-more-bit algorithm
is not realistic, but cracking a human-chosen passphrase
might or might not be, depending on the competence of the human,
and they're talking about Microsoft here.
(I suppose I should try running pgpcrack on my _own_ passphrases :-)
It's unlikely they'd have such a file unless somebody
leaked it out of Microsoft or put it into the Xbox's code for some reason,
but you never know.


- Some way to hand out work and collect results,
and it's possible that they've done this well,
though I doubt they scale to seti.org sizes.


Although, as simple calculations show (reported here several times
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and claims that portion of the keyspace to search,
and then doesn't announce a solution.)


That's true for symmetric-key algorithms, but not always for factoring.
Most of the high-end factoring programs work in two phases,
one of which looks for some kind of interesting intermediate result,
and a second phase which takes the intermediate results and crunches on them.
Random keyspace self-apportionment may work well for the first phase,
but for at least some of the recent major algorithms,
the second phase has usually been run on some big computer or cluster
by the people running the project because it required too much RAM
for the vast majority of desktop PCs.

One of the most frustrating things about the Neo Project's web site
was that it's got one forum comment that suggests that they may have
found an efficient way to distribute the second-phase calculations,
but there's no pointer to any way to find out the mathematical work,
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