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Pigs Kill Family Pet

[Eric Cordian]

Pigs think they are untouchable in the post-9-11 enviromnent.  Many pigs
need to be killed.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html

-

   COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed
   a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked as
   officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging
   its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop.

...

   The family was driving through eastern Tennessee on their way home
   from a New Year's trip to Nashville. They told CNN they are in the
   process of retaining a lawyer and considering legal action against the
   Cookeville, Tennessee, Police Department and the Tennessee Highway
   Patrol for what happened to them and their dog.

   In the video, released by the THP, officers are heard ordering the
   family, one by one, to get out of their car with their hands up. James
   Smoak and his wife, Pamela, and 17-year-old son Brandon are ordered
   onto their knees and handcuffed.

...

   The Smoaks told CNN that as they knelt, handcuffed, they pleaded with
   officers to close the doors of their car so their two dogs would not
   escape, but the officers did not heed them.

...

   The tape then shows the Smoak's medium-size brown dog romping on the
   shoulder of the Interstate, its tail wagging. As the family yells, the
   dog, named Patton, first heads away from the road, then quickly
   circles back toward the family.

   An officer in a blue uniform aims his shotgun at the dog and fires at
   its head, killing it immediately.

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
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"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

Re: Cypherpunk fashions for the New Ashcroft Era (Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary)

[Bill Stewart]

At 03:14 PM 01/08/2003 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:

At 11:34 PM 1/8/03 +0100, Thomas Shaddack wrote:
>I don't know the weaknesses of gait-observing systems, so I can't
suggest
>anything.

Kilts for men (over the knee, please, and not for aesthetics).
Hoop-skirts for women. A heavy backpack carried asymmetrically
(for extra fun, use a canteen where the sloshing water messes with your 
physics).

www.utilikilts.com for the practical but less traditional kilts.

And computer bags can be pretty asymmetrical, even if you don't
have the new 6.8 pound 17" Macintosh AluminumBook.

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[A.Melon]

>SIgh. Although I read May's "Crypto Anarchy" piece and liked it, I am slowly 
>coming to the conclusion that he's just another dimwitted fascist who by 
>accident had a few interesting ideas.

You're Guilty for Not Doing Your Homework.

Mr. May's views on sick, disabled, niggers and women are available to everyone with 
access to usenet archives, which means everyone. For example, type this: 'disabled 
author:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (sans quotes) in "with all of the words" field at
http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search and you'll get the idea.

It doesn't mean that I don't credit him for efforts in other areas. People are too 
complex to be classified on one aspect only. Would I fuck a beautiful female 
republican ? Most certainly. Even Bush saying sensible things doesn't make them wrong.

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RE: Pigs Kill Family Pet

[Trei, Peter]

> Eric Cordian[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> 
> Pigs think they are untouchable in the post-9-11 enviromnent.  Many pigs
> need to be killed.
> 
> http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/01/08/police.kill.dog/index.html
> 
> -
> 
>COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed
>a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked as
>officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging
>its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop.
> 
> ...
> 
>The family was driving through eastern Tennessee on their way home
>from a New Year's trip to Nashville. They told CNN they are in the
>process of retaining a lawyer and considering legal action against the
>Cookeville, Tennessee, Police Department and the Tennessee Highway
>Patrol for what happened to them and their dog.
> 
>In the video, released by the THP, officers are heard ordering the
>family, one by one, to get out of their car with their hands up. James
>Smoak and his wife, Pamela, and 17-year-old son Brandon are ordered
>onto their knees and handcuffed.
> 
> ...
> 
>The Smoaks told CNN that as they knelt, handcuffed, they pleaded with
>officers to close the doors of their car so their two dogs would not
>escape, but the officers did not heed them.
> 
> ...
> 
>The tape then shows the Smoak's medium-size brown dog romping on the
>shoulder of the Interstate, its tail wagging. As the family yells, the
>dog, named Patton, first heads away from the road, then quickly
>circles back toward the family.
> 
>An officer in a blue uniform aims his shotgun at the dog and fires at
>its head, killing it immediately.
> 
> 
I read about this a couple days ago. The reason for the stop is
interesting - apparently Mr. Smoak left his wallet on the roof of
the car. After they started down the highway, it blew off, scattering
bills. 

Another driver saw the flying wallet and currency, thought it had
been thrown out the window, and called it in as a carjacking/robbery
in progress.

The cops accepted this, hence the felony stop.

Peter Trei

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Ken Brown]

Michael Cardenas wrote:
 
> I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone
> who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the
> time he was fighting the US.

Hey, I'm not a USAan and I don't even live there. But I think I know
your Constitution well enough to know that I never read the bit about
how long you have to live in a foreign country to lose your rights.

The argument is just the same as the one we're always using about crypto
or security. The system is as strong as it's weakest link. If there are
2 doors to your house you need to lock them both.

Someone, somewhere, has to decide whether this man's service in a
foreign army is naughty enough to lose him his constitutional rights. If
*that* decision-making process has weaker legal protection than a normal
criminal trial would have had, the effect is that the legal protection
of the whole system is reduced.  If the process of removing someone's
constitutional rights is not itself subject to those rights, then those
rights are hollow and can be removed at will.

Ken Brown

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Duncan Frissell]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote:

> Fuck the U.S. Fuck it dead. Do it soon.
>
> This is one of the rulings which completes the shredding of the
> Constitution. Every member of that Court should be killed for their
> crimes against the Constitution.


It's a good thing he was captured by the Feds instead of a militia or a
Private Defense Force of some sort.  Note that such forces are not
required to accept surrenders and can simply kill enemy forces (and
vice-versa of course).  Private citizens are not bound by the Constitution
either of course (it binds only the governments).

The Padilla case will be more important than the Hamdi case because he was
arrested in Chicago rather than Afghanistan.  Under the traditional laws
of war, Padilla (if he is an enemy soldier) could have been executed as a
spy since he entered the country in civilian clothes rather than in
uniform.  All Al-Quida combatants in the US should definitely wear their
uniforms so they can "get off on a technicality" if captured.  I wonder
what an Al-Quida uniform looks like?

DCF

Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Tyler Durden]

"Someone, somewhere, has to decide whether this man's service in a
foreign army is naughty enough to lose him his constitutional rights."


First of all, I don't even think that "depriving someone of their 
constitutional rights" is the major issue in this case.

On a very simplistic level (apparently the only level that Tim May seems to 
think Tyler Durden operates on), the US "trial by a jury of your peers" and 
"innocent until proven guilty" are not supposed to be Rome-like luxuries of 
being a citizen. They in theory represent a system that protects the accused 
from basically being the target of whatever political interests may be in 
charge.

By bypassing this system, isn't there a subtext here that on some level says 
"He's guilty if we say he's guilty"? In other words, they apparently don't 
trust that our legal system works the way they (Bush and the military) want 
it to. In this sense, our legal system is now caricatured as being 
essentially a luxury of US citzenship, as opposed to reflecting some basic 
human right.

Yes of course I know that there are probably practicalities involved: "If we 
don't try him as an enemy combatant then he might go free and kill more US 
soldiers". But again, this statement assumes complete and infallible 
knowledge on the part of the military concerning this man, and then the 
right to bypass the rights of American citizens to determine what to do with 
him.

It's a bad sign.

-TD








If
*that* decision-making process has weaker legal protection than a normal
criminal trial would have had, the effect is that the legal protection
of the whole system is reduced.  If the process of removing someone's
constitutional rights is not itself subject to those rights, then those
rights are hollow and can be removed at will.

Ken Brown



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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants (shredding the Constitution)

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 10:11 AM 1/9/03 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote:
>All Al-Quida combatants in the US should definitely wear their
>uniforms so they can "get off on a technicality" if captured.  I wonder

>what an Al-Quida uniform looks like?

Yeah, the British had the same problem with the north-american colonial
terrorists
of the 1700's.  The stronger always wants to weaker to play by the
stronger's rules.

---
Additional case studies are needed, however, to determine which traits
of chemical and biological terrorists might help identify them
because charisma, paranoia, and grandiosity are alo found to varying
degreees among, for example, leaders of political parties, large
corporations, and academic depts. --John T Finn, _Science_ v 289 1
sept 2000

Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet

[Miles Fidelman]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Eric Cordian wrote:

>COOKEVILLE, Tennessee (CNN) -- Police video released Wednesday showed
>a North Carolina family kneeling and handcuffed, who shrieked as
>officers killed their dog -- which appeared to be playfully wagging
>its tail -- with a shotgun during a traffic stop.
>
> --
> Eric Michael Cordian 0+
> O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
> "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

Apparantly the police in Tennessee agree with your sig line.

Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet

[Pete Capelli]

No they don't; or they wouldn't have had the balls to stop the car in the
first place.

-p
- Original Message -
From: "Miles Fidelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2003 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pigs Kill Family Pet


> >
> > --
> > Eric Michael Cordian 0+
> > O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
> > "Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"
>
> Apparantly the police in Tennessee agree with your sig line.
>

It's Baaaaaaaaaaaaack

[Eric Cordian]

Seems the folks at www.theneoproject.com have decided to continue work on
factoring Microsoft's Xbox public RSA key.

It's unlikely their "random prime attack" will amount to anything.  
Nonetheless, it's good to have examples of perfectly legal reverse
engineering to counter all the DMCA hype.

We will close with the following exerpt from this news story, as covered
by VNU Net, a British publisher.

http://www.vnunet.com/News/1137916

  "The Neo Project began at the start of this year to try to crack
   Microsoft's private RSA-576 key by using a distributed computing
   network.

   This move followed RSA Security's original RSA-576 Factoring
   Challenge, posted last July, which offered crackers $10,000 to break
   the encryption algorithm.

   After successfully meeting RSA's challenge this week and publishing
   the factors on the internet, Neo Project announced that it would focus
   on Microsoft's implementation of the algorithm used for digital rights
   management in its Xbox console."

Oh my. 

-- 
Eric Michael Cordian 0+
O:.T:.O:. Mathematical Munitions Division
"Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law"

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[Steve Mynott]

On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 22:10 Europe/London, Tyler Durden wrote:


Tim May wrote...

"Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings"

Uh...do you actually hold "Aryan" meetings? Is this a "white" 
"supremist" thing, or will the following be welcome:

Iranians
Afghans
Most people hailing from Northern India
Turks

I would imagine so since ironically the Aryans came from what is now 
Northern India
and Iran up to about 1000BC.

The word is even derived from Sanskrit.

Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was).

--
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[Mike Rosing]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Steve Mynott wrote:

> Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was).

Or better, what it is :-)

Patience, persistence, truth,
Dr. mike

Indo European Origins

[Tyler Durden]

"Steve" wrote...


I would imagine so since ironically the Aryans came from what is now 
Northern India
and Iran up to about 1000BC.

The word is even derived from Sanskrit.

Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was).

"Soma"? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas, I 
don't remember anything called "Soma" (unless this is a Brave New World 
Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the 
Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what you are referring to...

As for the ultimate origin of the "Aryans", it is far older than 1,000BC. As 
far as I understand it, the Aryans emanated from the lower reaches of the 
Caucus Mountains, and moved into Greece, Europe, Asia Minor, Central Asia, 
and the Northern Part of the Indian subcontinent. (I've read wildly 
conflicting reports as to when, but I remember ending up believing it 
happened around 13,000BC.) Early theories were that the Aryans had learned 
horseback-based military tactics before the indigenous peoples, but emerging 
theories have them slowly growing out of Asia minor via agricultural 
advances.

Most of the people from the British Isles over to Northern India speak a 
variant of the original Indo-European language, with Sanskrit and Lithuanian 
likely being the closest languages surviving. Some interesting exceptions (I 
believe) are the Basque in Spain, Hungarians, The (Italian) Etruscans, and 
(as far as I remember) the Flemish. As I remember too, the Greek 'Linear A' 
script seems to be a pre-Indo-European leftover, and 'Linear B' shows the 
clear input of I-Es.

(That the Basque and other groups claiming to be 'unique' has apparently 
been confirmed via the use of mitochondrial DNA techniques, which can 
determine when various human sub-populations diverged. this apparently 
mirrors the linguisitic evidence quite precisely.)

So what current users of the term "Aryan" seem to be unaware of is that 
Iranians, Afghans, and tons of others are actually Indo European and hence 
"Aryans". (Meanwhile, Iraqis, Saudis and all other Arabs along with Jews are 
Semites and not IndoEurpoean at all.) Of course, they DO tend to have 
somewhat lighter skin than many of the 'locals' (in fact, the Indian caste 
system seems to have codified this fact). But those who use the term "Aryan" 
these days seem to have inherited all of the Nazi bullshit mythological 
baggage. Now there may be exceptions, so that's why I asked.

Of course Hitler and the gang appropriated this term and pumped it with some 
very different meanings, including notions of "racial purity". I was curious 
as to whether Tim May meant this version of the term or what (and all that 
is concomittant, including hoped-for genocides), in which case bludgeoning 
him with a heavy, blunt object in the base of the skull would be a break for 
all humanity.

-TD






From: Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Tyler Durden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2003 19:41:42 +


On Wednesday, Jan 8, 2003, at 22:10 Europe/London, Tyler Durden wrote:


Tim May wrote...

"Cowboy hats are much more common in Cypherpunks Bay Aryan meetings"

Uh...do you actually hold "Aryan" meetings? Is this a "white" "supremist" 
thing, or will the following be welcome:

Iranians
Afghans
Most people hailing from Northern India
Turks



--
Steve Mynott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



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RE: Indo European Origins

[Trei, Peter]

> Tyler Durden[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> 
> Most of the people from the British Isles over to Northern India speak a 
> variant of the original Indo-European language, with Sanskrit and
> Lithuanian 
> likely being the closest languages surviving. Some interesting exceptions
> (I 
> believe) are the Basque in Spain, Hungarians, The (Italian) Etruscans, and
> 
> (as far as I remember) the Flemish. 
> 
Basque is unique, as you say. The main other European 
non-IE group is the Finno-Ugric,  comprising Finnish, 
Estonian, Hungarian and a handful of other minor 
languages  (I'm half Estonian by ancestry). Flemish is 
firmly in the IE group, somewhere between German 
and Anglo-Saxon.

See http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2282/finno.html
for more info on the Finno-Ugric languages.

(No, I don't speak Estonian)

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Re: Indo European Origins

[Steve Mynott]

On Thursday, Jan 9, 2003, at 20:32 Europe/London, Tyler Durden wrote:


"Steve" wrote...


I would imagine so since ironically the Aryans came from what is now 
Northern India
and Iran up to about 1000BC.

The word is even derived from Sanskrit.

Read the Rig Veda and break out the soma (if you know what it was).

"Soma"? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas, 
I don't remember anything called "Soma" (unless this is a Brave New 
World Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the 
Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what you are referring to...

Huxley got the name from the Rig Veda (I believe also the name was a 
trademark of some prescription drug).

There are numerous references to soma in the Rig Veda, eg.

http://www.people.virginia.edu/~jng2d/enlt255/texts/intro/rig.htm

and from The Britannica 2003

Soma

"in ancient Indian cult worship, an unidentified plant, the juice of 
which was a fundamental offering of the Vedic sacrifices. The stalks of 
the plant were pressed between stones, and the juice was filtered 
through sheep's wool and then mixed with water and milk. After first 
being offered as a libation to the gods, the remainder of the soma was 
consumed by the priests and the sacrificer. It was highly valued for 
its exhilarating, probably hallucinogenic, effect. The personified 
deity Soma was the “master of plants,” the healer of disease, and the 
bestower of riches.

The soma cult exhibits a number of similarities to the corresponding 
haoma cult of the ancient Iranians and is suggestive of shared beliefs 
among the ancient Indo-Europeans in a kind of elixir of the gods. Like 
haoma, the soma plant grows in the mountains, but its true origin is 
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pressing of soma was associated with the fertilizing rain, which makes 
possible all life and growth. In the post-Vedic classical period, soma 
is identified with the moon, which wanes when soma is drunk by the gods 
but which is periodically reborn."

Claims have been made that soma was ephedra (like modern haoma), blue 
lily, mushrooms,
cannabis or even alcohol.

An Indian friend says the name "soma" now refers to alcohol in modern 
India.

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RE: Indo European Origins

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At 4:25 PM -0500 on 1/9/03, Trei, Peter wrote:


> Basque is unique, as you say

I remember someone saying somewhere, probably on PBS, that Basque is *very*
old, paleolithic, and lots of popular mythology has cropped up that it's
the closest living relative to some other ur-language, which even
Indo-European is derived from.  Jerod Diamond, of "Guns, Germs and Steel",
is excerpted here about Proto-Indo-European languages in Europe. (among
other things, like the advent of horse warfare)
http://users.cyberone.com.au/myers/diamond.html

Speaking of horse culture :-), the other thing I was reminded of, for some
reason, is the discovery of Celtic tombs in central Asia above India
somewhere, in China, I think, mummies with red hair, plaid and all, from
some time long before the Celts were eventually pushed into Europe, Celts,
meeting, the Basques, as the first people to do so.

Of course, Himmler, and other "aryan"-worshippers then and now, have spun
all this into a massive pseudogenetic fantasy, as Diamond has noted above.


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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Bill Stewart]

At 10:11 AM 01/09/2003 -0500, Duncan Frissell wrote:

It's a good thing he was captured by the Feds instead of a militia or a
Private Defense Force of some sort.  Note that such forces are not
required to accept surrenders and can simply kill enemy forces (and
vice-versa of course).  Private citizens are not bound by the Constitution
either of course (it binds only the governments).


The Feds keep asserting that the Constitution doesn't apply to them
outside the US.
A militia wouldn't have been in Afghanistan, or at least wouldn't
have been attacking the Taliban government over there,
though they (or hired mercs) might have gone after Al Qaeda.

On the other hand, if the US were following the traditional model
for defense rather than having a standing army stomping around the world,
it's highly unlikely that somebody like Al Qaeda would have attacked
the World Trade Center, because they wouldn't have had their grievances
about the US infidel forces stationed in the Holy Land of Saudi Arabia.
They *might* have attacked Exxon headquarters because of Exxon mercs
stationed in the Holy Land.


The Padilla case will be more important than the Hamdi case because he was
arrested in Chicago rather than Afghanistan.  Under the traditional laws
of war, Padilla (if he is an enemy soldier) could have been executed as a
spy since he entered the country in civilian clothes rather than in
uniform.


But Padilla's a citizen, so entering the country in civilian clothes
doesn't make him a spy, though spying might make him one.


All Al-Quida combatants in the US should definitely wear their
uniforms so they can "get off on a technicality" if captured.
I wonder what an Al-Quida uniform looks like?


I believe their fatigues uniform consists of pants and a shirt
in arbitrary colors and low cost :-)   Their dress uniforms are the
turban and long shirt deal, but that's not for foreign expedition use.

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[lcs Mixmaster Remailer]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 20:35:36 -0800, you wrote:
>
> I think you're overreacting a bit. The actual case involves someone
> who was in a foriegn country for years, and was in the war zone at the
> time he was fighting the US.
>
> The ruling says that he was "squarely in teh war zone" and discusses
> the issue that he hda been out of the US for a long time.

Where in the Constitution do we learn that "being in a foreign 
country for years" separates a United States Citizen from the 
rights provided by the Constitution? Exactly what period of 
years triggers this denial of Constitutional rights?

Please provide a map of the boundaries of the "war zone" for Mr. 
Bush's "War on Terror".

If the President may deny habeas corpus in the absence of a 
declared war, and if the geography of a war zone is fluid and 
undefined by the government, and if the time period of absence 
from the US and relationship to time of "capture" is undefined, 
please show how denial of habeas corpus cannot be applied to 
every US Citizen who has ever been abroad, upon declaration of 
"enemy combatant" status by the United States Military, solely, 
under this ruling.

Last, if well established bedrock rights written into the 
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government, please describe the moral authority underwhich that 
government may claim a right to be obeyed. Describing the power 
to capture, torture, imprison and kill, and the willingness to 
do so is not considered a "moral authority" in this question.

I guess Citizens should "wait on events, while dangers gather"? 
Citizens should forgo any "preemption of those who would attack 
freedom"?

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Re: No Ex Post Facto Laws, No Easy Loss of Citizenship

[lcs Mixmaster Remailer]

On Wed, 8 Jan 2003 23:07:50 -0800, you wrote:
>  "This man was and is a citizen. His presence overseas
>  did not cause him to lose his citizenship. If he faces
>  charges, he faces them in a U.S. court with full access
>  to lawyers, full habeas corpus rights, full rights to face
>  his accusers, and so on."

But isn't the point of the Bush-Military that he does not face 
"charges", he is like a captured German Luftwaffe Pilot in 1944 
in France -- he is to be held in a prisoner of war prison until 
the end of hostilities (never, since you can't defeat a method 
like "Terror"), and repatriated to the country of his military 
commanders (never, since it is a group, not a country, and they 
will all be killed)?

But the point is more dangerous. The point is that the military 
alone can decide if you are an enemy combatant, and if they do, 
you can be held in secret anywhere, without notice to anyone, 
with no legal representation, until the day you die. A person 
disappears. That's all we would know, if that's the way the 
military wants to play it. Land of the free, home of the brave.

Re: Indo European Origins

[Meyer Wolfsheim]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:

> "Soma"? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas, I
> don't remember anything called "Soma" (unless this is a Brave New World
> Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the
> Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what you are referring to...

Then you need to read the Vedas [there is only one Rig-Vega, which is the
oldest of the four Vedas] again more closely. Soma is mentioned repeatedly
throughout the Vedic hyms. Soma is both an intoxicating elixir, and the
god that represents it. Soma is sometimes thought to have been alcohol, a
mead-like substance, marijuana, psychedelic mushrooms, or other nourishing
substances. (The composition of soma is hotly debated by scholars -- I
have no firm answer myself.) Soma is said to have nourishing properties,
and even the power to instill immortality. (C.f. the eclipse myth of the
Hindu demon Rahu.)

And, as you mention, "soma" is a "prozac/valium" or MDEA-like socially
acceptable drug in Huxley's classic, as well as a brand name for the
muscle relaxant "carisoprodol" (whose effects are a great disappointment,
if one is expecting it to be anything like the Hindu or Huxley substance
of the same name.)

The original poster was, no doubt, refering to the original Soma, however.


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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Declan McCullagh]

On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 05:03:03PM -0800, Tim May wrote:
> Fuck the U.S. Fuck it dead. Do it soon.
> 
> This is one of the rulings which completes the shredding of the 
> Constitution. Every member of that Court should be killed for their 
> crimes against the Constitution.

Here's the text of the ruling, FYI:
http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/027338.P.pdf

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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Declan McCullagh]

On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:11:26PM -0600, Wes Hellman wrote:
> Since terrorists are the enemy, and they (obviously) operate within our
> borders to do harm, it's not a terrible stretch to think that it won't
> be long before a US citizen who's actually here in the states could be
> designated an "enemy combatant".  And obviously, they needn't have

Terrorists are *an* enemy of freedom. 

There is such as case: Padilla v. Bush. Much more important (based
on the facts) than the one we're discussing here.

-Declan

Re: Security cameras are getting smart -- and scary

[R. A. Hettinga]

At 9:17 AM -0800 on 1/9/03, Bill Stewart wrote:


> I've usually been the one wearing the fedora in cooler weather,
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Re: citizens can be named as enemy combatants

[Declan McCullagh]

Here's a December ruling favorable to the gvt in the Padilla case:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/LAW/12/04/padilla.ruling/index.html

Note this has not been affirmed by an appeals court (yet).

-Declan


On Wed, Jan 08, 2003 at 11:25:42PM -0600, Wes Hellman wrote:
> Oh, it seems that I've missed the fact that the situation I was talking
> about seems to be playing itself out nicely with that dirty bomb guy. 
> Sure, the court didn't say that this applied to his case, but they
> didn't say it *didn't* apply, either. They've left it wide open.  I
> suspect it won't be long before a similar ruling is made for him.

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[Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer]

On 9 Jan 2003, lcs Mixmaster Remailer wrote:

> On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:35:38 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > No they don't; or they wouldn't have had the balls to stop the car in 
> > the first place.
>
> Most cops in Cookeville, TN have dogs. I wonder if they would
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> unstopped you know? Buck shot is best according to the cops.

Ick. Shooting a dog because it is wagging its tail is not justified, no 
matter what the cops do. You can't put a dog down just because of who its 
masters are -- dogs lack the intellectual reasoning capabilities to 
understand that their owners are evil.

Instead, any cop who shows such blatant disrespect for life and property
as the Tennessee cops in question should himself be shot in the face with
a shotgun, and left on the side of the road to rot.

Re: bin Laden, Hanssen, Inslaw Promis, Oh My!

[Duncan Frissell]

At 09:58 AM 1/9/03 -0800, Major Variola (ret) wrote:


http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20030106-75579570.htm

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Thomas H. Kean instead of "David H. Kean."

DCF 

Re: Indo European Origins and other stuff

[Mike Rosing]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tyler Durden wrote:

> I'd also point out the need to be deliberately oblique. I'm not sure we
> aren't actually headed towards a time where any of us can be carted away for
> expressing how we really think. I also don't kid myself about whether
> "someone could be listening". And I'm also not convinced that those
> techniques our boys at the School of the Americas have been teaching might
> not start to be used here at home "for our own good". You know, I really
> don't want to be tortured.

Some people think list-servs are a form of torture :-)

The main thrust of destroying the constitution was completed in the 70's
with RICO and polished off with the WoD in the 80's.  By 2000 even some
congress critters were noticing and were actually trying to slow down
forfiture law.  But it's all out the window now, and the precedents are
set.  The "illegal combatant" fiction is just one more small step in a few
decades of totalitarian crap.

Fortunatly dictators are incompetent idiots.  It's not that hard to stay
out of their way.  But it seems to me it's safe to assume the US is a
totalitarian state and act accordingly.  Be a bureaucrat to survive,
and maybe we'll get a Gorbachev to tear the whole thing down.  Only
another 40 years to go!

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Re: Let there be Blah

[Jim Choate]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Anonymous wrote:

> As a (fellow) trained physicst, do you actually believe that
> quantum-encrypted signals are truly secure as a byproduct of basic
> physical law, or do even YOU believe that QM is merely a "useful
> calculational tool",

No 'label' is ever the thing it labels. QM as instantiated in the math is
nothing more than a useful calculation tool, it is not the system we are
interested in.

> so that (by inference), Quantum-encrypted signals
> may one day be interceptable without either Bob nor Alice knowing that a
> third party is listening?

You can do that now provided it's involving entangled photons. It's called
a BEC and you stop the photon and smear that baby over a whole bunch of
atoms. Measure it's state and then send it on its way without changing its
state. Nobody has tried it with entangled photons to date but I'll wager
that when one is stopped and measured the other one doesn't know a thing
about it.


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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote:

> People,
>
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> Or top-post a few comments. In fact, the best idea is to only quote
> enough to remind other readers what you are commenting on.
>
> It's not a matter of bandwidth, it's a matter of relevance and
> consideration.

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Re: Let there be Blah

[Jim Choate]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, blah wrote:

>  > Blah wrote quite an excellent post. In fact, I've met few physics PhDs
>  > which would have been able to respond so well. So needless to say, my
>  > curiosity is peaked concerning who Blah is in "the real world". (Tim May,
>
>Thanks. It's nice to run into physicists and as a physicist, you'll
> appreciate the followup to mr. choate's response, since what he suggests
> is essentially contrary to special relativity.

Please explain how? My assertion that the behaviour of the photon in a
split beam as described by the general model is incomplete is actually
backed up by the postulates of Special & General Relativity. Let's look
at Specials one at a time shall we?

1. Space-Time is a 4-dimensional continuum

In other words you can't talk about 'space' without taking into
consideration 'time'. In the regular view of the split beam where is time
included other than to ask how it can be in two places at one time?

2. The existance of globally inertial frames

This means there are 4-D coordinates in which non-accelerated particles
move in straight lines. In general relativity this is replaced with local
frames. My assertion stands in General Relativity as well.

3. The speed of light is a constant

(we can complicate this with BEC's now but I'll eschew that for the time
 being)

4. The laws of physics are the same in any inertial frame

Now which one is inconsistent?

1? No, my statement rests upon the assertion that by talking about the
   distance between slits is incomplete unless one includes the time
   axis.

2.? I certainly make no statement about non-accelerated particles,

If the photon is not undergoing some sort of acceleration how can
it go through both slits at the same time? Is going through two
slits at once a 'straight line'? Since space-time allows -two-
different sorts of acceleration (one in space, the other in time) we
are left with the question of where the acceleration is taking
place?

3.? I make no statement contrary to this.

In fact I rely on the fact that photons represent the ultimate end
with regard to time-space dilation effects. That time and space are
one from the perspective of a photon. That in fact consideration of
these effects is critical to a correct understanding of what is
actually happening.

The device exists in 4D frame where time and space are not zero. The
photon has one of two views (which it can actually have at the same
time). It either shrinks the 4D space to a point at the origin (ie
the photon), or else spreads the photons position out over the
entire cosmos (this is more like a probability or guide wave at this
point - there is zero problem with changes of state happening
instantly here since it's not a thing but a potential that is being
altered). Now this takes place for -every- photon. That means
that from a photons perspective each and every photon is co-resident
with every other photon. Now if two or more of those photons are
entangled why should it take any 'time' from our perspective
to do anything with regard to dis-entanglement?

4.? Ah, here is where -your- system is in error because the -only-
frame of reference that is considered is the one of the mechanism.
At no point in the standard approach is the view of the photon
considered. There is -nothing- special about the frame of reference
of the split mechanism itself. There are -two- views of this
experiment and they are both valid; the view of the device of the
photon and the photons view of the device. They are not the same.

I'll ask again:

- How big is the cosmos to a photon?

- How does time behave to a photon?

- What is the distance between the slits from the perspective
  of the photon?

- How much time does it take the photon to move 'across' the
  device?

Surely a physicist as well trained as yourself should find such answers
childs play.


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Re: Subject: CDR: Re: QM, EPR, A/B

[Jim Choate]

On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, blah wrote:

> From: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  >On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, blah wrote:
>
>  > Not from the photons perspective, from a photons perspective there is
>  > -no- time.
>
>   A photon has no "perspective".

Yes it does. It is a particle and it interacts with the rest of the
cosmos. The cosmos views it, it views the cosmos.

> Anyone that wishes to have the short version and skip the detailed
> corrections to misconceptions, they may note simply that an observer
> in special relativity compares their results with other observers
> through a lorentz transform.

The photon -is- an observer. It observes the device, just as the device
observes it.

There is a 'c' and a 'v' in -any- Lorentz transform. Do the math with v=c.

'v' is -always- in relation to 'c' because 'c' is -always constant-.

> There exists no lorentz transform by which any observer may transform
> coordinates to a photon,

Really why?

>It's called relativity because it assumes no absolute frame against
> which speeds must be referenced.

Wrong. -ALL- speeds are measured against c. That -is- the whole point of
Lorentz transforms. 'c' is -always- c.

c is a -constant-. Therefore it -is absolute-. There is no -space-
constant, to that I will agree.


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[Jim Choate]

On Thu, 9 Jan 2003, Tim May wrote:

> -- Newcomb's Paradox (discussed in Pearl, Joyce, Nozick, etc.)

This is no paradox, it is a silly question with an obvious answer that a
lot of smart people have wasted a lot of time over.

You mug the alien and take both boxes. Hence if the alien could -really-
predict what every human would do it wouldn't have offered the box to you
in the first place.

The answer is "The only way to win is not to play the game."


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On Mon, 6 Jan 2003, blah wrote:



From: Jim Choate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sat, 4 Jan 2003, blah wrote:

> Not from the photons perspective, from a photons perspective there is
> -no- time.

 A photon has no "perspective".



Yes it does. It is a particle and it interacts with the rest of the
cosmos. The cosmos views it, it views the cosmos.



Anyone that wishes to have the short version and skip the detailed
corrections to misconceptions, they may note simply that an observer
in special relativity compares their results with other observers
through a lorentz transform.



The photon -is- an observer. It observes the device, just as the device
observes it.

There is a 'c' and a 'v' in -any- Lorentz transform. Do the math with v=c.

'v' is -always- in relation to 'c' because 'c' is -always constant-.



There exists no lorentz transform by which any observer may transform
coordinates to a photon,



Really why?



  It's called relativity because it assumes no absolute frame against
which speeds must be referenced.



Wrong. -ALL- speeds are measured against c. That -is- the whole point of
Lorentz transforms. 'c' is -always- c.

c is a -constant-. Therefore it -is absolute-. There is no -space-
constant, to that I will agree.


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As the competition between BAE Systems and Thales for the prime
contractorship
of the UK's £2.9 billion ($4.6 billion) Future Aircraft
Carrier
(CVF) programme approaches its climax, Thales Naval Ltd has
revealed new
details of its proposed project management and contracting
strategy for
the design, manufacture and support of the ships.
[Jane’s Defence Weekly – first posted to
http://jdw.janes.com
– 20 December 2002]
  US Navy restructures carrier plans 
The US Navy, aided by the US Department of Defense (DoD), has
again restructured
its plans for the service's next-generation aircraft carrier, navy
officials
and industry sources have disclosed. 
The new programme, to be called CVN-21, is a hybrid of what was
previously
planned for CVNX-1 and CVNX-2. Some CVNX-2 technologies have been
brought
forward to the first carrier following calls from senior DoD
officials
(Jane's Defence Weekly 7 February 2001). Like the CVNX-1, the new
plans
call for the carrier to be bought in Fiscal Year 2007 (FY07).
[Jane’s Defence Weekly – first posted to
http://jdw.janes.com
– 20 December 2002]
  UK tests integrated waste management for 'environmentally
independent'
naval vessels 
UK research and technology group QinetiQ recently conducted a
45-day trial
of an Integrated Waste Management System Technology Demonstrator
(IWMSTD)
that could lead to an 'environmentally independent' warship for
the UK
Royal Navy (RN) in approximately 2015. The scale demonstrator rig,
running
in the Auxiliary Machinery Test House at QinetiQ's Haslar
facility, integrates
off-the-shelf, existing naval and new technologies into a system
dealing
with 10 individual waste streams, representing a future warship
with a
complement of 204. Strachan & Henshaw and BMT Defence Services
are
major subcontractors for the 13-month program, which ends this
month,
for which QinetiQ has received funding approaching £1.5
million
(US$2.3m). 
[Jane’s International Defense Review – first posted to
http://idr.janes.com
– 23 December 2002]
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[Jane’s Defence Weekly – 3 January 2003]
  China promotes stealthy J-10A 
Beijing's aspiration to field a new generation of stealthy fighter
aircraft
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611 Institute
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[Jane’s Defence Weekly – first posted to
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  US seeks enhanced large-aircraft SAM protection 
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solutions
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transport
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first
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Re: Indo European Origins

[Major Variola (ret)]

At 03:32 PM 1/9/03 -0500, Tyler Durden wrote:
>"Soma"? Despite the fact that I've read large chunks of the Rig Vedas,
I
>don't remember anything called "Soma" (unless this is a Brave New World

>Reference). Of course, the Bhagavad Gita is a subsection of the
>Mahabaratabut I don't imagine this is what you are referring to...

Well then do a fucking google on the word in the Indian context.

Maybe your highschool has firewalled off anything that will lead
you to Hoffman, Ott, Huxley, etc.

Hmm, the 21st century: all the world's libraries at your fingertips, but

now you're obligated to use them!

...

>Of course Hitler and the gang appropriated this term and pumped it with
some
>very different meanings,

LIST: even playing with a kitten and a laser pointer get tiring
eventually.

Tyler, we know this shit.  We're not undergrads doing September here.
Next you're going to tell us how the swastik was a groovy Amerind sign
before it was coopted by Austrians. Or continue to slog through the
history
of the old world tribes.  See _guns germs and steel_, btw.


including notions of "racial purity". I was curious
>as to whether Tim May meant this version of the term or what (and all
that
>is concomittant, including hoped-for genocides), in which case
bludgeoning
>him with a heavy, blunt object in the base of the skull would be a
break for
>all humanity.
>
>-TD

Here's a very general clue: Tim has a clue.

Tim's exposed himself under that nym for some time now, do some
research.

Another hint: keep your irony meter powered up when reading posts here.
Carefully remove the sarcasm filter from the satire window to detect
tongue-in-cheek rays.

Bigger hint: you might have saved us all some
once-ever-so-precious-bandwidth
by writing off Aryan as a simple sound pun: Bay Area -an, get it?

Finally, here's something to keep in mind: culture != race.  You can
slam a culture --after all, values are choices-- pretty rationally,
thought there's not much evidence for slamming gene-based human groups.
You can decry zionist colonialism without animosity towards hebrews.
You can mock decrepit urban negro, or appalachian caucasoid, or
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On Thu, 9 Jan 2003 12:35:38 -0500, you wrote:
>
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> first place.

Most cops in Cookeville, TN have dogs. I wonder if they would 
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threat of any type like running up wagging its tail like it did 
on the cop's video it is "procedure" to shoot them. If it's good 
enough for passing motorists pets it's sure good enough for 
cop's dogs seems to me. You just can't allow that threat to go 
unstopped you know? Buck shot is best according to the cops.