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Re: Using mobile phone masts to track things
Steve Schear wrote: > At 06:33 PM 10/15/2002 +1300, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Gutmann) > wrote: > >> Scribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> >"The technology 'sees' the shapes made when radio waves emitted by >> mobile >> >phone masts meet an obstruction. Signals bounced back by immobile >> objects, >> >such as walls or trees, are filtered out by the receiver. This allows >> >anything moving, such as cars or people, to be tracked. [snip]" >> >> Isn't this what CDMA already does using RAKE receivers (different fingers >> track multiple signals, so it uses multipath as a feature rather than a >> problem). [snip] > Yes, this is very similar to a RAKE receiver. Its also similar to the > passive radar systems the U.S. recently accused a former Soviet republic > of selling to Iraq. Passive radars are particularly good at spotting > current generation stealth aircraft. Being passive, typically using > distant powerful shortwave broadcast signals, means its much harder to > spot the receiving sites. Nice explanatory picture at... http://www.pcquest.com/content/technology/101081001.asp The (over-a-year-old) article also states: "The downside is that you cant make out whether the plane is a spy plane or not. "However various companies are working on making it viable for detecting stealth aircraft. For instance, Roke Manor Research (www.roke.co.uk), UK-based has developed sensor technologies which can work with cellphone base stations to detect stealth aircraft." Detecting moving objects is one (simple) thing. Tracking them while identifying the type of object (stealth plane vs civilian, motorbike vs car, etc) is a different issue, naturally. What kind of resolution can be obtained from a few hundred meters (say, for mass-public-monitoring-services) if grounded base stations can make out high-altitude aircraft? Further, are there any known defenses against this kind of passive technology yet? Solitary surveillance aircrafts would surely have a harder time achieving countermeasures than a person on a cellphone amongst a crowd of bystanders. Intereference? Decoys?
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One time pads
hi, An extract frm this months cryptogram goes as below. On the other hand, if you ever find a product that actually uses a one-time pad, it is almost certainly unusable and/or insecure. So, let me summarize. One-time pads are useless for all but very specialized applications, primarily historical and non-computer. And almost any system that uses a one-time pad is insecure. It will claim to use a one-time pad, but actually use a two-time pad (oops). Or it will claims to use a one-time pad, but actually use a steam cipher. Or it will use a one-time pad, but won't deal with message re-snchronization and re-transmission attacks. Or it will ignore message authentication, and be susceptible to bit-flipping attacks and the like. Or it will fall prey to keystream reuse attacks. Etc., etc., etc. - Though it has a large key length greater than or equal to the plain text,why would it be insecure if we can use a good pseudo random number generators,store the bits produced on a taper proof medium. how about this way P=Plain text C=Cipher text R=Pseudo random bits(the pad) To transmit a secret frm point A to Point B Choose ur agent-Send cipher text(C) to B. If( Cipher text C is intercepted,do not send R.) without R, C cannot be decrypted Else(If C is securely transmitted to point B,choose an agent and send R to point B) If R is intercepted the secret remains safe,since they donot have C. If initially C was intercepted ,R is not send,another pad is chosen. It is assumed that the agent is trust worthy.Also the agent has to send receipt for the safe arrival of C at point B before R is transmitted. It is also assumed that cryptographical secure pseudo random numbers are use. Cryptography does not address the problem of dishonest users-does it? The difficulty for attaining highest security is more. why do we always have to rely on the internet for sending the pad?If it is physically carried to the receiver we can say for sure if P or R is intercepted. can some one answer the issues involved that one time pads is not a good choice. Thank you Regards Sarath. __ Do you Yahoo!? Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com
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Re: One time pads
Naive question here, but what if you made multiple one time pads (XORing them all together to get your "true key") and then sent the different pads via different mechanisms (one via FedEx, one via secure courier, one via your best friend)? Unless *all* were compromised, the combined key would still be secure. As for PKI being secure for 20,000 years, it sure as hell won't be if those million-qubit prototypes turn out to be worth their salt. Think more like 5-10 years. In fact, just about everything except for OTP solutions will be totally, totally fucked. Which means that you should start thinking about using OTP *now* if you have secrets you'd like to keep past when an adversary of yours might have access to a quantum computer. I'd put 50 years as an upper bound on that, 5 years as a lower. -d - Original Message - From: "David Howe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Email List: Cypherpunks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 7:52 AM Subject: Re: One time pads > at Wednesday, October 16, 2002 2:01 PM, Sarad AV > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say: > > Though it has a large key length greater than or equal > > to the plain text,why would it be insecure if we can > > use a good pseudo random number generators,store the > > bits produced on a taper proof medium. > because you have replaced a OTP (provably secure) with a PRNG stream > cypher (only as secure as the PRNG). he isn't saying that stream cyphers > can't be secure - just that they aren't OTP. > There is also no point in distributing the output of a PRNG as a > tamperproof tape - you just run the PRNG at both sides, in sync. > if you use a *real* RNG, then you can do the tape disribution thing and > it *will* be a OTP - but its the tape distribution that is the difficult > bit (as he points out in the article) > > > why do we always have to rely on the internet for > > sending the pad?If it is physically carried to the > > receiver we can say for sure if P or R is intercepted. > two obvious points are > 1. it isn't aways possible to ensure secure delivery - if a courier is > compromised or "falls asleep" and the tape is substituted with another, > a mitm attack can be made transparently. > 2. if the parties are physically remote, they may not have time to > exchange tapes securely; unless there is a airplane link directly or > indirectly between the sites, it may be days or weeks in transit. > > > can some one answer the issues involved that one time > > pads is not a good choice. > OTP is the best choice for something that must be secret for all time, > no matter what the expense. > anything that "secure for 20,000 years" will be sufficient for, go for > PKI instead :)
sniping as performance art
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RE: One time pads
> David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Naive question here, but what if you made multiple one time pads (XORing > them all together to get your "true key") and then sent the different pads > via different mechanisms (one via FedEx, one via secure courier, one via > your best friend)? Unless *all* were compromised, the combined key would > still be secure. > > As for PKI being secure for 20,000 years, it sure as hell won't be if > those > million-qubit prototypes turn out to be worth their salt. Think more like > 5-10 years. In fact, just about everything except for OTP solutions will > be > totally, totally fucked. Which means that you should start thinking about > using OTP *now* if you have secrets you'd like to keep past when an > adversary of yours might have access to a quantum computer. I'd put 50 > years > as an upper bound on that, 5 years as a lower. > > -d > Not quite right. My understanding is that quantum computing can effectively halve the length of a symmettric key, but that does not take it down to zero. Thus, a 256 bit key would, in a QC world, be as secure as a 128 bit key today, which is to say, pretty good. It's the asymmetric algorithms which have problems. Peter
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> Thoenen, Peter Mr. EPS[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > wrote: > > If you were a *enlightened* vegan, you would see this as no different that > shooting a deer or eating a hamburger. I believe they would argue animals > don't consent to be killed for sport or food either. If anything, this is > more wasteful and degrading as you are not eating the meat...just pure > sport. > If the sniper were non-human, they might have a case. However, I am not. I am a human being, and value the lives of members of my own species above those of non-humans. > Not speaking my opinion here, but happen to live with a vegan who preaches > to me the evils of my ways (mostly for humour now) at every meal. > Ah, but has he/she/it reached 5th level? They don't eat anything which casts a shadow. http://207.195.217.127/vegontv/1995to1999.html Peter > -Peter > > > From: Trei, Peter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Major Variola (ret)[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] writes: > > > Rifle and scope: $1,200 > > > Box of .223 Hollowpoint: $6.99 > > > Tarot Deck: $2.95 > > > Scoring an FBI analyst: priceless > > > Some things are priceless. For everything else, there's MasterCard. > > > Dedicated to Eunice "Squeal Like a Pig" Stone > > > > > I fail to see how anyone, anytime, anywhere, can support > > the hunting of random non-consenting humans for sport. > > > > Peter Trei
Re: For everything else, there's MasterCard.
On Wednesday 16 October 2002 15:41, Thoenen, Peter Mr. EPS wrote: (re hunting people) > If anything, this is more wasteful and degrading as you are not > eating the meat... Speak for yourself. -- Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere Have GNU, Will Travel Vote Idiotarian --- it's easier than thinking
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McCarthyism Watch We will be regularly updating the site with examples of the New McCarthyism that is sweeping the country. October 16, 2002 More Anti-War Activists Snagged by "No Fly" List The No Fly list is still up and running. The FBI and the Transportation Security Administration have a list of suspicious people they distribute to the airlines, and the airlines check the names of their passengers against this list. The existence of the list was first reported here on this web site and then in the June issue of The Progressive, after a group of peace activists were detained in Milwaukee on April 19. On August 7, two more peace activists found themselves on the list. Rebecca Gordon and Jan Adams were detained by San Francisco police at the airport there, reported Alan Gathright of The San Francisco Chronicle on September 27. Gordon and Adams, veteran peace and justice activists in the Bay Area, work on a newspaper called War Times (war-times.org). "We get to the airport at 9:30 in the evening for an 11:30 flight to Boston on ATA," Gordon tells The Progressive. "As we go to the check-in counter to check in our baggage, the woman takes our IDs and types in our names, and then says, 'There's something wrong with my computer.' So she goes and gets another woman, who types our names into her computer. She, too, says, 'There's something wrong with my computer. Please step aside so we can check the other people in.' " Gordon says she and Adams thought there might be a problem with their e-tickets. But it was more serious than that, as they found out a few minutes later when one of the airline employees told them, "You both turned up on the FBI No Fly list, and we've called the San Francisco police. They are coming over to talk to you. In the meantime, one of us has to stay with you, so please come along with your baggage," Gordon recalls. Gordon says the woman from the airlines seemed bewildered. "We were standing there in the middle of the airport, and I'm sure she's thinking these are just garden-variety middle-aged white dykes," Gordon says. "I can't imagine why this is happening," the airline employee said, according to Gordon. "And I said, 'Well, I can tell you why. We work on a paper that opposes the war on terrorism.' Her eyes got kind of big, and she said, 'Oh.' " Gordon says three uniformed members of the police then came, took their IDs, and called headquarters. They wouldn't let her even get a drink of water. "After ten or fifteen more minutes, one of the officers told us, 'You aren't on the master list,' and they handed us back to the airline, Gordon says. But the airline was still suspicious, and circled a big S on their boarding passes. "I assume it means search, and then a red S was put on it," Gordon adds. "In fact, at the gate we were selected for search and they did the usual search procedure, the wanding and the shoes. Before I got on, I asked the ticket agent if this is going to happen every time. She said, 'I don't know, but I'd recommend that you get to the airport early.' " For its part, the San Francisco police has little comment. "We had no report of any of our officers stopping them," says Larry Ratti, a spokesperson for the police at the airport. "Whenever anyone comes up on the No Fly list, we come out in one or two minutes and the situation is cleared up. Generally, they would make a police report if they detained people for any length of time." Ratti says the department gets calls about suspicious people at the airport "maybe one a day, one every two days." Some of these calls come from the No Fly list, "but we don't differentiate," he says. "It's just a suspicious-type-person call." I ask Gordon what conclusion she draws from this experience. "This is harassment," she says. "It's to let us know that they've got their eye on us." Adams agrees. "Nothing felt very threatening in the episode--except that they are doing it," she says. Adams adds that she was singled out for searching on her return trip from Boston, as well. http://www.progressive.org/webex/wxmc101602.html
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RE: For everything else, there's MasterCard.
> I fail to see how anyone, anytime, anywhere, can support > the hunting of random non-consenting humans for sport. This is a favourite bipedal pastime. We all support it. It's good and fills one with joy and satisfaction. Major tournaments are called "wars" and we hardly can wait for the next big one. Lower castes and serfs are brainwashed to refrain from it; it's the sport only for nobility (and wide-spread games would ruin the profits.) Therefore your failure to understand is understandable. = end (of original message) Y-a*h*o-o (yes, they scan for this) spam follows: Faith Hill - Exclusive Performances, Videos & More http://faith.yahoo.com
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Re: commericial software defined radio (to 30 Mhz, RX only)
Does this run on linux? On Tue, Oct 15, 2002 at 02:40:33PM -0700, Major Variola (ret) wrote: > The WR-G303i is the first of our G3 > Series of software defined receivers. > > A Software Defined Receiver (SDR) is > such where demodulation and last IF > (intermediate frequency) processing are done entirely in > software. Usually this means using a DSP, but in the case of > the G303i, this processing is done on a personal computer > using a sound card (most modern PCs are now faster and > more powerful than many DSPs were only a few years > ago). So, if you own a PC, the chances are that you already > own an important part of a Software Defined Receiver! > > http://www.grove-ent.com/WR303i.html > > Technical Specifications > > >Frequency >range > 9 kHz to 30 MHz >Tuning >resolution > 1 Hz >Modes > AM, AMN, AMS, LSB, > USB, CW, FM3, FM6, > FMN > (The optional Professional > Demodulator also includes > DSB and ISB modes.) -- Harmon Seaver CyberShamanix http://www.cybershamanix.com "War is just a racket ... something that is not what it seems to the majority of people. Only a small group knows what its about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few at the expense of the masses." --- Major General Smedley Butler, 1933 "Our overriding purpose, from the beginning through to the present day, has been world domination - that is, to build and maintain the capacity to coerce everybody else on the planet: nonviolently, if possible, and violently, if necessary. But the purpose of US foreign policy of domination is not just to make the rest of the world jump through hoops; the purpose is to faciliate our exploitation of resources." - Ramsey Clark, former US Attorney General http://www.thesunmagazine.org/bully.html
RE: One time pads and Quantum Computers
> > David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > As for PKI being secure for 20,000 years, it sure as hell won't be if > > those million-qubit prototypes turn out to be worth their salt. > > Think more like 5-10 years. In fact, just about everything except > > for OTP solutions will be totally, totally fucked. At 02:50 PM 10/16/2002 -0400, Trei, Peter wrote: >Not quite right. My understanding is that quantum >computing can effectively halve the length of a >symmettric key, but that does not take it down to zero. >Thus, a 256 bit key would, in a QC world, be as secure >as a 128 bit key today, which is to say, pretty good. >It's the asymmetric algorithms which have problems. Yeah. What we have to do for that is start thinking about ways to apply Kerberos and similar technologies to real-world problems besides the inside-an-organization ones they were originally designed for. > David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Which means that you should start thinking about > > using OTP *now* if you have secrets you'd like to keep past when an > > adversary of yours might have access to a quantum computer. ... OTPs won't help a bit for that problem. They're fine for transmitting new data if you've already sent a pad, but they're useless for storing secrets, because you can only decrypt something if you've got the pad around, and you have to burn the pad after use. Storing the encrypted secret message on your regular computers while keeping the pad locked up in the safe is unlikely to be any more convenient than keeping the plaintext locked up in the safe. I suppose you could secret-share a one-time-pad, but you could just as easily secret-share the secret message.
Re: One time pads
ACTUALLY, quantum computing does more than just halve the effective key length. With classical computing, the resources required to attack a given key grow exponentially with key length. (a 128-bit key has 2^128 possibilities, 129 has 2^129, etc. etc. you all know this...) With quantum computing, however, the complexity of an attack grows only polynomially. Hence a MUCH MUCH more agreeable time frame for brute force attacks. Good stuff, eh? ~SAM > From: "Trei, Peter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 14:50:03 -0400 > To: David Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Email List: Cypherpunks" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'David E. Weekly'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: One time pads > >> David E. Weekly[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >> >> Naive question here, but what if you made multiple one time pads (XORing >> them all together to get your "true key") and then sent the different pads >> via different mechanisms (one via FedEx, one via secure courier, one via >> your best friend)? Unless *all* were compromised, the combined key would >> still be secure. >> >> As for PKI being secure for 20,000 years, it sure as hell won't be if >> those >> million-qubit prototypes turn out to be worth their salt. Think more like >> 5-10 years. In fact, just about everything except for OTP solutions will >> be >> totally, totally fucked. Which means that you should start thinking about >> using OTP *now* if you have secrets you'd like to keep past when an >> adversary of yours might have access to a quantum computer. I'd put 50 >> years >> as an upper bound on that, 5 years as a lower. >> >> -d >> > Not quite right. My understanding is that quantum > computing can effectively halve the length of a > symmettric key, but that does not take it down to zero. > > Thus, a 256 bit key would, in a QC world, be as secure > as a 128 bit key today, which is to say, pretty good. > > It's the asymmetric algorithms which have problems. > > Peter
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Re: commericial software defined radio (to 30 Mhz, RX only)
At 08:54 PM 10/16/2002 -0700, you wrote: > >Does this run on linux? > >Also, if regular cheapo PC sounboards can digitize 30 MHz (and Nyquist says >this requires 60 MHz sampling rate) then some product managers need ... >flogging. PC sound cards, which all sample below 100 kHz, are only adequate for processing narrow band signals. Too bad most ofthe really interesting radio apps require MHz of bandwidth. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuradio/gnuradio.html for a Linux based SDR which support both narrow and wideband processing. steve
