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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread David Howe


at Monday, September 30, 2002 7:52 PM, James A. Donald
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
> Is it practical for a particular group, for
> example a corporation or a conspiracy, to whip up its own
> damned root certificate, without buggering around with
> verisign?   (Of course fixing Microsoft's design errors is
> never useful, since they will rebreak their products in new
> ways that are more ingenious and harder to fix.)
Yup. In fact, some IPSec firewalls rely on the corporate having a local
CA root to issue keys for VPN access. from there it is only a small step
to using the same (or parallel issued) keys for email security.
The problem there really is that the keys will be flagged as faulty by
anyone outside the group (and therefore without the root key already
imported), and that will usually only work in a semi-rigid hierachical
structure. There *is* an attempt to set up something resembling a Web of
trust using x509 certificiates, currently in the early stages at
nntp://news.securecomp.org/WebOfTrust

> I intended to sign this using Network Associates command line
> pgp, only to discover that pgp -sa file produced unintellible
> gibberish, that could only be made sense of by pgp, so that no
> one would be able to read it without first checking my
> signature.
you made a minor config error - you need to make sure clearsign is
enabled.

> I suggest that network associates should have hired me as UI
> design manager, or failing, that, hired the dog from down the
> street as UI design manager.
It's command line. Most cyphergeeks like command line tools powerful and
cryptic :)

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Ben Laurie


Peter Gutmann wrote:
> I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra
> data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the
> equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features.
> According to the vendors, "HDCD has been used in the recording of more than
> 5,000 CD titles, which include more than 250 Billboard Top 200 recordings and
> more than 175 GRAMMY nominations", so it's already fairly widely deployed.

Yeah, right - and green felt-tip around the edges of your CD improves 
the sound, too.

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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread David Howe


at Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:08 AM, Peter Gutmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
> For encryption, STARTTLS, which protects more mail than all other
> email encryption technology combined.  See
> http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/usenix02_slides.pdf
> (towards the back).
I would dispute that - not that it isn't used and useful, but unless you
are handing off directly to the "home" machine of the end user (or his
direct spool) odds are good that the packet will be sent unencrypted
somewhere along its journey. with TLS you are basically protecting a
single link of a transmission chain, with no control over the rest of
the chain.

> For signing, nothing.  The S/MIME list debated having posts to the
> list signed, and decided against it: If I know you, I can recognise a
> message from you whether it's signed or not.
Signing has a limited application - I wouldn't use it routinely other
than to establish an association (key-->poster) early in a conversation,
and then omit it except for things whose source *I* would want verified
if I was receiving it.
It is unusual for me to use a sig outside of encrypt+sign.

> If I don't know you,
> whether it's signed or not is irrelevant.
Depends on the definition of "know". If a poster had a regular habit of
posting at least one signed message every week, and had never protested
that the sigs were faked, then you could assume that the poster whose
sig just cleared is the same as the poster who has been posting for that
time period - mapping that to any real-world individual is more
problematic, but mostly you don't need to. There are plenty of people I
only know online from email exchanges, and in some cases am not even
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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Petro


On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 01:20:28PM +0100, David Howe wrote:
> at Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:08 AM, Peter Gutmann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
> > For encryption, STARTTLS, which protects more mail than all other
> > email encryption technology combined.  See
> > http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/pubs/usenix02_slides.pdf
> > (towards the back).
> I would dispute that - not that it isn't used and useful, but unless you
> are handing off directly to the "home" machine of the end user (or his
> direct spool) odds are good that the packet will be sent unencrypted
> somewhere along its journey. with TLS you are basically protecting a
> single link of a transmission chain, with no control over the rest of
> the chain.

Well, it's a start. Every mail server (except mx1 and
mx2.prserv.net) should use TLS. 

There should be nothing but noise on the wire.

> > For signing, nothing.  The S/MIME list debated having posts to the
> > list signed, and decided against it: If I know you, I can recognise a
> > message from you whether it's signed or not.
> Signing has a limited application - I wouldn't use it routinely other
> than to establish an association (key-->poster) early in a conversation,
> and then omit it except for things whose source *I* would want verified
> if I was receiving it.

Once you start using it, it becomes part of hte pattern by wich
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RE: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Wall, Kevin


Morlock Elloi wrote...

<<>>
> In other words, those that need crypto are taken care of, and 
> in order to gain resources to make sheeple use crypto you
> have to become Them, in which case you don't really want
> sheeple to use crypto in the first place.

Please do not use the derogatory term 'sheeple'... you're going
to give sheep a bad name.
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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Jeremey Barrett


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Paul Krumviede wrote:
| --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann
|
| maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A
| convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to
| have invented HDCD). while the CDs i have that use it sound
| pretty good, i don't have any good way to compare them when
| played back over a non-HDCD capable convertor (i could hook
| up one of my computer CD drives, but that doesn't seem fair
| compared to the spectral transport-D/A combination).
|

The extra 4 bits add quite a bit, subjectively. I've compared the same
CD on the same system with an HDCD player and non-HDCD player.

| but when i do play such CDs on other gear, i don't notice any
| audible degradation, so it isn't obviously harmful.
|
| i've seen comments in reviews of professional CD mastering
| gear that there are other, seemingly preferred, technologies,
| although i've never found details of them.
|

The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD
is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional
sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not "backwards compatible"
though, whereas HDCD is.

DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz multichannel
or up to 192kHz two-channel. Lots more bits, lots more samples. It makes
a huge difference on "pretty good or better" gear.

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Sampo Syreeni


On 2002-10-01, Ben Laurie uttered to Peter Gutmann:

>Yeah, right - and green felt-tip around the edges of your CD improves
>the sound, too.

I'm not sure about HDCD as a technology, but the principle is sound. If we
can compress sound transparently, we can also transparently embed quite a
lot of data into the part which is perceptually irrelevant. We might also
depart with perceptual equivalence and go with perceptual similarity
instead -- e.g. multiband compress the audio, and embed data which allows
us to expand to a higher perceptual resolution. Whatever the
implementation, putting data in the gap between statistical (i.e.
computed against a Markov model) and perceptual (against a perceptual
similarity model) entropy which compensates for some of the perceptual
shortcomings (like total dynamic range) of a particular recording
technology seems like an excellent idea.

However, applications like these have very little to do with steganography
proper. In this case, we can (and want) to fill up the entire gap between
statistical and perceptual entropy estimates with useful data, leaving us
with signals which have statistical entropies consistently higher than
we'd expect of a typical recording with similar perceptual
characteristics. That is, the encoded signal will appear manifestly random
compared to typical unencoded material from a similar source, and we can
easily see there is hidden communication going on. Such encodings will be
of little value in the context of industrial strength steganography used
for hidden communication.

Steganography used in the latter sense will also have to be imperceptible,
true, but but here the entropic gap we're filling is the one between the
entropy estimates of our best model of the source material vs. that of the
adversary's. Be the models Markov ones, perceptual, something else, or
composites of the above. Consequently the margin is much thinner
(bandwidths are probably at least a decade or two lower), and the aims
remain completely separate.

Consequently, I don't believe encodings developed for the first purpose
could ever be the best ones for the latter, or that HDCD-like endeavors
really have that much to do with the subject matter of this list.
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XRCD & HDCD

2002-10-01 Thread Tyler Durden


XRCD is not steganographic in the sense that we are disscusing, but merely a 
very carefully done 24 bit master mastered down to the normal 16x44 of CD. 
They also pay very careful attention to the physical manufacturing of the 
disc, and use aluminum as the "substrate" (instead of the normal audiophile 
gold).

HDCD is a whole different ballgame, however. It indeed uses subcoded 
information and a form of spread-spectrum to add something like 1.5 bits of 
additional resolution to standard CDs. Played back on an HDCD-compatible 
player or DAC (there are plenty on the market now), the sound quality is 
noticeably superior, depending on the recording. (A good example is 
"Perishable Fruit" by Patty Larkin.)

Peter Madnick (who was the desginer of the Audio Alchemy stuff) once told me 
that he used the HDCD DAC chip simply because it had the best filter 
characteristics of any chip available off-the-shelf. Conversely, HDCD 
recordings supposedly sound better even on non-HDCD-capable DACs for a 
similar reason.

The odd thing is that Pacific Microsonics (who own HDCD) demands that all CD 
players or DACs that use the chip attenuate non-HDCD recordings by 3 dB. 
This is because HDCD recordings are on average 3dB quieter than their 
non-HDCD counterparts so that they appear to sound better in showrooms (it's 
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Forunately, they do also allow the manufacturer to include a 
attenuation-defeat feature so that the customer can defeat it at home (a lot 
of us believe that anything in the sound chain that is unnecessary is bad). 
(I've got such a feature on my Levinson DAC.)

As for hearing the subcode, I can, on some recordings, but then again my dad 
folks and brothers are all pro musicians (yes, I claim to have golden ears). 
It's extremely hard to hear, and results in a VERY low level buzziness on 
some instruments and vocals. Over all, however, it's great. Go get the newer 
HDCD "Red" Remaster by King Crimson and compare it to the older non-HDCD 
master on and HDCD deck. You hear all sorts of details that you never could 
before.



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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald


--
James A. Donald:
> > I intended to sign this using Network Associates command 
> > line pgp, [6.5.8]only to discover that pgp -sa file 
> > produced unintellible gibberish, that could only be made 
> > sense of by pgp, so that no one would be able to read it 
> > without first checking my signature.

David Howe
> you made a minor config error - you need to make sure 
> clearsign is enabled.

James A. Donald:
> > I suggest that network associates should have hired me as 
> > UI design manager, or failing, that, hired the dog from 
> > down the street as UI design manager.

David Howe
> It's command line. Most cyphergeeks like command line tools 
> powerful and cryptic :)

We also like the most common uses to be *on* the command line.

If the option is not on the command line, it is *not* powerful 
and it is a little too cryptic.

The pgp.cfg file is empty by default on my machine, the cfg 
file options are nowhere documented,  clearsigning is nowhere 
documented, and "Clearsign=on" did not work.

In the last generally useful version of pgp (pgp 2.6.2) pgp -sa 
gave clear signing, but it was unusable, because trivial 
differences, such as the unix/windows difference on carriage 
returns would cause the signature check to fail.  Because there 
were so many false negatives, no one would check clearsigned 
signatures.

I conjecture that in pgp 6.5.8 they have addressed this problem 
by making clear signatures as inaccessible as possible, rather 
than by fixing it.

I could get clearsigning by telling my pgp 6.5.8 to be 
compatible with 2.6.2, but I have already discovered that 2.6.2 
clear signing was hopelessly broken.

Had clear signing worked, then everyone with a valuable domain 
name would have used the pgp interface to control their domain
names, to ensure that one's domain name could not be hijacked,
as so many domain names have been.

This would have created a massive base of pgp users.  However, 
due to architectural defects in pgp, design bugs rather than 
coding bugs, this use of pgp was broken, and so was seldom 
used, and eventually ceased to work entirely.  Presumably there
was no maintenance on the pgp inteface to domain name control,
because no one was using it. 

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Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)


At 11:52 AM 9/30/02 -0700, James A. Donald wrote:
>--
>What email encryption is actually in use?

PGP 5-7 on Win95+, using Eudora 3.05
talks to Mac whatever using 2.6.2

Signing is not generally necessary.


>The chief barrier to use of outlook's email encryption

Outlook is one of Microsoft's Virus Engine Suite, isn't it?

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)

The problem Mr. Howe describes is fundamental, folks:
encryption should be end-to-end even when the endpoints
are functionaries in a company.  Because not all employees
are equal.

So yes Alice at ABC.COM sends mail to Bob at XYZ.COM and
the SMTP link is encrypted, so the bored upstream-ISP netops can't learn
anything
besides traffic analysis.  But once inside XYZ.COM, many
unauthorized folks could intercept Bob's email.  Access Control is
sorely lacking folks.

Link encryption is a good idea, but rarely sufficient.

At 01:20 PM 10/1/02 +0100, David Howe wrote:
>at Tuesday, October 01, 2002 3:08 AM, Peter Gutmann
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was seen to say:
>> For encryption, STARTTLS, which protects more mail than all other
>> email encryption technology combined.  See
>

>I would dispute that - not that it isn't used and useful, but unless
you
>are handing off directly to the "home" machine of the end user (or his
>direct spool) odds are good that the packet will be sent unencrypted
>somewhere along its journey. with TLS you are basically protecting a
>single link of a transmission chain, with no control over the rest of
>the chain.

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2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)


After reading the last paragraph in the excerpt below, it occurs to me
how
much fun could be had in DC with some chalk, even without an 802.11blah
receiver :-)


>http://www.siliconvalley.com/mld/siliconvalley/4181308.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

>Secret Service probes wireless networks in Washington

>WASHINGTON (AP) - Secret Service agents are putting a high-tech twist
on
>the idea of a cop walking the beat. Using a laptop computer and an
antenna
>fashioned from a Pringles potato chip can, they are looking for
security
>holes in wireless networks in the nation's capital.

>The act of ``wardriving,'' a term taken from older ``wardialing''
programs
>that called random telephone numbers looking for unlisted modems, has
>become so prevalent that enthusiasts are using chalk marks on streets
and
>sidewalks to point out networks in public places.
>
>Peterson said there has not been any reported ``warchalking'' in the
>Washington area yet, but if one was found agents would alert the
network
>owner.

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2002-10-01 Thread Major Variola (ret)


http://www.washtimes.com/upi-breaking/20020930-052952-9407r.htm

   "I was working with Pearl," said Baer, who has written a
book about his time as a CIA official and has acted as a
consultant and source for numerous media outlets. "We had a
joint project. Mohammed was the story he was working on,
not Richard Reid."

Re: What email encryption is actually in use?

2002-10-01 Thread James A. Donald


--
James A. Donald:
> > I intended to sign this using Network Associates command 
> > line pgp, [6.5.8]only to discover that pgp -sa file 
> > produced unintellible gibberish, that could only be made 
> > sense of by pgp, so that no one would be able to read it 
> > without first checking my signature.

David Howe
> you made a minor config error - you need to make sure 
> clearsign is enabled.

Not so.  It turns out the command line is now different in PGP
6.5.8.  It is now pgp -sta to clearsign, instead of pgp -sa.
(Needless to say the t option does not appear in pgp -h

The clearsigning now seems to work a lot better than I recall
the clearsigning working in pgp 2.6.2.  They now do some
canonicalization, or perhaps they guess lots of variants until
one checks out.

Perhaps they hid the clear signing because it used not to work,
but having fixed it they failed to unhide it? 

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Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Tyler Durden

"The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD
is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional
sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not "backwards compatible"
though, whereas HDCD is.

DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz multichannel
or up to 192kHz two-channel. Lots more bits, lots more samples. It makes
a huge difference on "pretty good or better" gear."

You kinda got it mixed up. SACD (Sponsored by SONY) is actually being 
targeted for 24/96 (or was that 24/88...I can't remember) for 2-channel 
audio, while DVD-A (also 24/96, I believe)is being pushed towards 
multichannel (5+1) audio.

Neither will play in a standard DVD player, though some discs will contain a 
16/48kHz version for regular DVD players.

As for backward compatibility, though, SACD has the capability to contain a 
CD layer AND an SACD layer, and SONY has announced that they'll be releasing 
a lot of stuf like this (like the Stones remastered back catalogue, I 
think). And theoretically, they'll price the discs at under $20 with the 
idea that non-audiophiles can buy them and play them in a standard CD player 
now, and then get the high bitrate version when they  buy an SACD player one 
day. DVD-A will always require a special DVD player--there is no CD layer 
specified (CD and DVD use different lasers and have different pit 
sizes--they are intrinisically incompatible at the physical layer.)

As for steganography, a problem that audiophiles are pointing out is that 
DVD-A contains some kind of anti-piracy watermarking that degrades the sound 
as compared to SACD. Meanwhile, the marketing for DVD-A is all confused, so 
it's likely DVD-A will be DOA in a few years (a lot of folks don't believe 
there's a market for 5+1 audio anyway). In addition, there are not a lot of 
5+1 audio recordings anyone wants to hear, and remixing 2 channels into 5+1 
is always a questionable process.

>From: Jeremey Barrett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>CC: Peter Gutmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED],   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: Real-world steganography
>Date: Mon, 30 Sep 2002 22:15:21 -0500
>
>-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>Hash: SHA1
>
>Paul Krumviede wrote:
>| --On Tuesday, 01 October, 2002 13:54 +1200 Peter Gutmann
>|
>| maybe. i'm not sure how many players support it (my spectral D/A
>| convertor does, but then some of the people at spectral seem to
>| have invented HDCD). while the CDs i have that use it sound
>| pretty good, i don't have any good way to compare them when
>| played back over a non-HDCD capable convertor (i could hook
>| up one of my computer CD drives, but that doesn't seem fair
>| compared to the spectral transport-D/A combination).
>|
>
>The extra 4 bits add quite a bit, subjectively. I've compared the same
>CD on the same system with an HDCD player and non-HDCD player.
>
>| but when i do play such CDs on other gear, i don't notice any
>| audible degradation, so it isn't obviously harmful.
>|
>| i've seen comments in reviews of professional CD mastering
>| gear that there are other, seemingly preferred, technologies,
>| although i've never found details of them.
>|
>
>The other formats of note are probably SACD and then DVD-Audio. SACD
>is multichannel 16-bit/44.1kHz... so multichannel CD without additional
>sample resolution (if I recall). SACD is not "backwards compatible"
>though, whereas HDCD is.
>
>DVD-Audio is really the way to go, though... 24-bit/96kHz multichannel
>or up to 192kHz two-channel. Lots more bits, lots more samples. It makes
>a huge difference on "pretty good or better" gear.
>
>Regards,
>Jeremey.
>- --
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2002-10-01 Thread Steve Schear


Court rules up-skirt peep cams legal

In a ruling that could change fashions in Washington state, the supreme 
court there has ruled that "up-skirt cams" do not violate voyeurism laws. 
The Washington Supreme Court judges said that two men who took 
surreptitious photos and video of women and girls using tiny cameras 
"engaged in disgusting and reprehensible behavior." However, the judges 
said they did not infringe on any reasonable expectations of privacy 
because the images were captured in public places.

http://news.com.com/2100-1023-960151.html

[Using almost identical logic cities around the country have passed 
ordinances prohibiting the wearing of masks.  So, by extension, might a 
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skirt?  Enquiring legal minds want to know ;-)  steve]

Re: Real-world steganography

2002-10-01 Thread Bill Stewart

At 09:38 PM 09/30/2002 -0700, Bram Cohen wrote:

Peter Gutmann wrote:
> I recently came across a real-world use of steganography which hides extra
> data in the LSB of CD audio tracks to allow (according to the vendor) the
> equivalent of 20-bit samples instead of 16-bit and assorted other features.

I don't think that's really 'steganography' per se, since no attempt is
made to hide the fact that the information is in there. The quasi-stego
used is just to prevent bad audio artifacts from happening.

Traditional digital telephone signalling uses a "robbed-bit" method that
steals the low-order bit from every sixth voice sample to carry information
like whether the line is busy or idle or wants to set up a connection.
(That's why you only get 56kbps and not 64kbps in some US formats,
since it doesn't want to keep track of which low bits got robbed.)

In a sense both of these are steganography, because they're trying to
hide the data channel from the audio listener by being low level noise
in ways that equipment that isn't looking for it won't notice.

That's not really much different from encoding Secret Data in the LSB
of uncompressed graphics or audio - it's about the second-crudest
form of the stuff, and if you think there are Attackers trying to
decide if you're using stego, you need more sophisticated stego -
at minimum, encoding the stegotext so it looks like random noise,
or encoding the stegotext with statistics resembling the
real noise patterns, or whatever.  The definition of "hidden writing"
doesn't specify how hard you tried to hide it or how hard the
Attacker is looking - you need to Bring Your Own Threat Model.

Since I don't speak Audiophile Engineering / Human perceptual modelspeak,
which the paper was written in, I wasn't able to figure out where the
HDCD stuff hides the extra bits.  Are they really there (in the CDROM's
error-correction bits or something)?  It sounded like they were either
saying that they make part-time use of the one LSB bit to somehow encode
the LSB and 4 more bits, which sounded really unlikely given that there
weren't any equations there about the compression models, or else that they
had some perceptual model and were using that to make a better choice of LSB
than a simple 50% cut-off of the A-to-D converter (more absolute distortion,
but better-sounding distortion.)  Or did I miss the implications of the
reference to oversampling and the real difference is that HDCD disks
really have more pixels on the disk with only the LSB different,
so a conventional reader reads it fine but needs the ECC to get the LSB?

A separate question is - "so is there some internet-accessible list of
disks using HDCD, or do I just have to look at the labels for a logo?"

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