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an uncrackable msg

2002-06-22 Thread David nolan
hello i got your e-mail address off of a web site, and i was hoping you could help me crack it, if ya dont feel like helping thats ok.
 
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Re: CDR: an uncrackable msg

2002-06-22 Thread measl


On Sat, 22 Jun 2002, David nolan wrote:

> hello i got your e-mail address off of a web site, and i was hoping you could help 
>me crack it, if ya dont feel like
> helping thats ok.
>  
> hksqphpkwasyoqgjwwscocgvwtavvgsjhthgpgsjpcwgsfanvkhnsphcp
= GEORGE BUSH DIDDLES LITTLE BOYS WHILE WATCHING TAPED FOOT

> iptsvwggjoaakwqsuvwhahfsqpqwwpksugphjoisqpnhwpqsnpqwfpma
= AGE OF INNOCENTS BEING MAIMED AND KILLED IN PALESTINE ST

> iskhkvpwxaighscpwvseovgthjsgpkpfwuskoogvwgsvougqwuacvcsph
= OP PREPARE FOR MORE ISRAELI MASSACRES OF INNOCENT CIVILIA

> ihqpgsvpywjgjsgokwtseajvjhwskhopupcauwpvshcswwpggofsgwrgg
= NS STOP PREPARE FOR MORE MASSACRES OF INNOCENTS BY CHINA

> ocsphtpepcaqwfsfvqhghzsfpp
= STOP BUSH TO SUPPORT ALL!!

> i have no idea how to do it and any help would be appreciated.
> also if ya do crack it  could you tell me what it is and what decription method you 
>used

Divination.


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Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread Steve Fulton

At 18:57 21/06/2002 -0700, John Young wrote:

>Data retention is being done now by programs and services
>which cache data to ease loading on servers and networks.
>[...]

John,

As a systems administrator @ an ISP, I can tell flat out that the software 
you describe has nothing to do with ISP services.  The software provides 
caching services for telecom companies (ie. billing, WAP, voice mail alerts 
etc).  I see nothing that mentions typical ISP services, like e-mail or 
web-browsing.  It is software designed to impress the executive level with 
pie charts and promises of reduced hardware costs.  No one likes spending 
$50k on a NAS or Fibre Channel / RAID 10 box.

Next time John, I suggest you turn your sites on caching software like 
Squid.  Know what?  I'm not even afraid to provide the URL! 
http://www.squid-cache.org ..  you may even discover it has US Intelligence 
Community(tm) links, dating back many years!  Incredible, huh?  ISP's like 
the one I work for use Squid to save on bandwidth costs by caching 
oft-visited websites.  Unfortunately, we (like most if not all ISP's) 
cannot afford the massive disk arrays (or the space they would take up, 
even the electricity) that would be necessary to retain data *for one 
day*.  Geez, I don't think the government gonna like that.

That's doesn't even bring us to the technical abilities of all the 
different pieces of software that must be re-written (en masse) to satisfy 
government desires.  For instance, let's try e-mail software.. There are 
numerous companies and individuals who offer their own versions of e-mail 
server software.  Microsoft's Exchange and Ipswitch's IMail for the Windows 
crowd who like spending lots of money, or Qmail, Postfix, Exim and even 
Sendmail for the Unix crowd.  There are dozen's more, but you get the 
point.  All that software will need to be rewritten.  Then all the e-mail 
servers will need to be upgraded and tested.  THEN more disk space  added 
just to handle all the extraneous information like from who and to, from 
where (say originating IP and from what server host and IP) etc etc etc ad 
nauseam.   Whoops!  Let's not forget tape backups!  I'm buying 3M stock 
come Monday!  But what happens if we have a disk failure and the logs are 
lost?  Hmm...

Anyway, that is just for e-mail.. Imagine what HTTP, or FTP, or whatever 
can't-live-without service someone invents in the future?  Data retention 
is unworkable even to the biggest of companies.  Even the NSA cannot store 
that kind of data without a significant (and secret) budget.  The only ones 
deriving any benefit from this are law enforcement and computer hardware & 
commercial software manufacturers.  Maybe its an economic stimulus package 
in disguise?

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Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread geer

Steve,

Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter
halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the
corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still.
If that relationship holds up over a period of years, today's
tradeoffs between cache, re-computation, and anticipatory
transmission would presumably change in the direction the
economics dictates.

And of course, if I really care that a particular piece of data
is non-discoverable I either have to encrypt it, never transmit
it, or go on one whopping search mission.

Or so I think.  Does the world look different from your vantage?

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Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread Steve Fulton

At 17:37 22/06/2002 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>Not arguing, but the hardware cost curve for storage has a shorter
>halving time than the cost curve for CPU (Moore's Law) and the
>corresponding halving time for bandwidth is shorter still.

You've got a point.  Storage is becoming less and less expensive per 
gigabyte, especially for IDE drives.  If you're using a RAID set up, IDE 
doesn't cut it, SCSI is the way to go (for now).  SCSI is a lot cheaper 
than it used to be, but it's still over $1000 for a single 70gig drive in 
Canada.  For maximum redundancy in one rack-mount server, RAID 10 is the 
way to go.  That means for every 1 drive, there must be an an exact 
duplicate.  Costs can increase exponentially.

That said, storage isn't the only expense when creating a large, fast and 
redundant file server (especially for caching).  The fastest way to get 
data from a computer to the file server is via fibre channel.  And fibre 
channel hardware isn't cheap.  Last time I looked, a DIY RAID 10 system 
with 15 drives (1 hot-standby), case and fibre channel capability was ~ 
$30-35k.  For each workstation that connects to it, there is a ~1k charge 
for the fibre channel client card.  Don't even go near a fibre channel 
switch, they run $10-15k apiece, and don't handle more than 10-15 
connections.  Plus cabling.

See, it adds up -- and that's just for one unit.  To do the kind of data 
retention proposed in th EU, that is the kind of hardware that would be 
necessary.  Plus a rack of tape backup drives running 24x7.  Perhaps this 
sounds extreme, and it very well could be.  My concern isn't so much based 
on what the law says must be retained, the penalties if the data isn't 
retained are what worry me.

Could a system or network administrator be charged if the data is 
unavailable?  What if their is a plausible reason (ie. hardware failed a 
year ago, fire)?  What if the company cannot afford it?  What charges are 
brought against the company?  These questions are the reality for sysadmins 
in the EU.  If Canada implemented a data retention law, I would be 
extremely concerned about my personal liability as well as corporate -- 
Canada already can charge a network administrator who the police believe is 
negligent in blocking (and removing) copyrighted software from computers 
he/she is responsible.  It has happened.  My understanding it has to do 
with an RCMP settlement over the PROMIS software scandal, but that's 
another topic.

-- Steve




Re: DOJ proposes US data-rentention law.

2002-06-22 Thread John Young

I appreciate what an honorable ISP admin will do to abide customer
rights over intrusive snoopers and perhaps cooperative administrators
above the pay grade of a sysadmin. Know that a decent sysadmin is on 
for about 1/3 of a weekday for 24x7 systems is a small comfort but
leaves unanswered what can happen:

1. During that time when a hero is elsewhere.

2. Upstream of the ISP, the router of the ISP and the nodes serving
routers, as well as at a variety of cache systems serving there various
levels.

3. At major providers serving a slew of smaller ISPs. In this case I
reported a while back of a sysadmin telling what my ISP, NTT/Verio,
is doing at its major node in Dallas: allowing the FBI to freely scan
everything that passes through the Verio system under an agreement
reached with NTT when it bought Verio.

No matter what a local sysadmin does with data, it remains very
possible that data is scanned, stored and fucked with in nasty ways
coming and going such that no single sysadmin can catch it.

End to end crypt certainly could help but there is still a fair abount
of TA that can be done unless packets are truly disintegrated and/or
camouflaged at the source before data leaves the originating box.

Pumping through anonymizers, inserting within onions, subdermal 
pigging back on innocuous wireless packets of the financial advisor
door, multiple partial sends, stego-ing, data static and traffic salting, 
bouncing off the moon or windowpane, what else can you do when
an eager beaver industry is racing to do whatever it takes to build
markets among the data controllers breathing hot about threats to
national security and handing out life-saving contracts to hard-up
peddlers shocked out of their skivvies with digital downturn.

No patriotic act is too sleazy these days that cannot be justified by
terror of red ink and looming layoffs.




Re: CP meet at H2K2?

2002-06-22 Thread Bill Stewart

Several people said yes...
You're hereby designated as the
 "Official San Francisco Bay Area Cpunks-Meeting-in-Exile" :-)

At 07:07 PM 06/20/2002 -0400, Greg Newby wrote:
>H2K2, 2600's conference, is at Hotel Penn in New York
>July 12-14.  http://www.h2k2.net
>
>CP contributors who are scheduled include
>John Young and yours truly.  Maybe others I
>didn't recognize or see yet.  I heard of a few other
>tentatives.
>
>The full conference schedule should be online within
>the next couple of days.  I'm thinking of a CP
>meet Saturday night July 12.  Anyone else gonna be there?
>   -- Greg




Ross's TCPA paper

2002-06-22 Thread Lucky Green

I recently had a chance to read Ross Anderson's paper on the activities
of the TCPA at
http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/ftp/users/rja14/.temp/toulouse.pdf

I must confess that after reading the paper I am quite relieved to
finally have solid confirmation that at least one other person has
realized (outside the authors and proponents of the bill) that the
Hollings bill, while failing to mention TCPA anywhere in the text of the
bill, was written with the specific technology provided by the TCPA in
mind for the purpose of mandating the inclusion of this technology in
all future general-purpose computing platforms, now that the technology
has been tested, is ready to ship, and the BIOS vendors are on side.

Perhaps the Hollings "Consumer Broadband and Digital Television
Promotion Act" bill would be more accurately termed the "TCPA Enablement
Act". BTW, the module that Ross calls a "Fritz" in his paper after the
author of the bill, long had a name: it is called a Trusted Platform
Module (TPM).

Granted, in the context of the TCPA and the Hollings bill, the term
"trusted" is used somewhat differently than the customers of future
motherboards, which are all slated to include a TPM, might expect:

"trusted" here means that the members of the TCPA trust that the TPM
will make it near impossible for the owner of that motherboard to access
supervisor mode on the CPU without their knowledge, they trust that the
TPM will enable them to determine remotely if the customer has a
kernel-level debugger loaded, and they trust that the TPM will prevent a
user from bypassing OS protections by installing custom PCI cards to
read out memory directly via DMA without going through the CPU.

The public and the media now need to somehow, preferably soon, arrive at
the next stage of realization: the involvement in the TCPA by many
companies who's CEO's wrote the widely distributed open letter to the
movie studios, telling the studios, or more precisely -- given that it
was an open letter -- telling the public, that mandating DRM's in
general-purpose computing platforms may not be a good idea, is
indicative of one of two possible scenarios:

1) the CEO's of said computer companies are utterly unaware of a major
strategic initiative their staff has been diligently executing for about
3 years, in the case of the principals in the TCPA, such as Intel,
Compaq, HP, and Microsoft, several years longer.

2) the CEO's wrote this open letter as part of a deliberate "good cop,
bad cop" ploy, feigning opposition to DRM in general computing platforms
to pull the wool over the public's eye for hopefully long enough to
achieve widespread deployment of the mother of all DRM solution in the
market place.

I do not know which of the two potential scenarios holds true. However,
I believe public debate regarding the massive change in the way users
will interact with their future computers due to the efforts of the TCPA
and the Hollings bill would be greatly aided by attempts to establish
which of the two scenarios is the fact the case.

--Lucky Green