how to say "burying the hatchet" in Egyptian

[Anonymous]

At 07:20 PM 1/17/02 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Yeah, I'd bury the hatchet... in the back of their heads.
>

See "Last Great Amerikan Whale" by Lou Reed...

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Re: One arms violent people with weapons

[Meyer Wolfsheim]

On Fri, 18 Jan 2002, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:

> > Von Buelow: Right, but actually it was astounding: There are 26
> > intelligence services in the U.S.A. with a budget of $30 billion--
>
> 26? Huh? Okay - CIA, DIA, NSA, the State Department's intel/security
> arm, the individual Armed Services... that brings us to 8. What are the
> other 19. Maybe they're counting the Secret Service as an intel agency
> (it isn't). But that's still only 9. Where are the other 17?

There are 13 agencies/organizations in the US Intelligence community,
according to the CIA:

Central Intelligence Agency
Defense Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
Army Intelligence
Navy Intelligence
Air Force Intelligence
Marine Intelligence
Mational Imagery and Mapping Agency
National Reconnaissance Office
Department of State
Department of Energy
Department of the Treasury
Federal Bureau of Investigation

http://www.cia.gov/ic/

Faustines responsibility.

[mattd]

 >>When you paint targets on people, other individuals may cause them harm,
seeking some measure of your acceptance.<<

The rogue Terror state does this everyday,that's one reason why it will 
soon be the Last Empire.

  >>Some here might have actual
"followers," not fans or confederates-in-cause. <<

Why the ""? I follow Jim bell and CJ.Who will follow me?

 >>Some individuals here, and
you even as a group don't have to "ask" for somebody to be hurt, just imply
that it is consistent with your wishes.<<

Gee thanks.I had no idea.

  >>When somebody expresses targeted
violent sentiments, and you don't correct them,<<

Hang on,correct them!? Like in the cultural revolution? Define "violent." 
Tims *violent* sentiments are risible to me.

  >>they perceive that as a
ratification.<<

Im glad to see RATs are here.(radical assembly of tactical sentencing.)

  >>(While "mattd" is a self-identifier, <<

and self abuser.

 >>others might not be. <<

Not much gets by you,does it?

 >>You
might not even know about them.) <<

So we should all shut up till you tell us what violence is...uh huh.

 >>Such "suggestions" are a time-tested method
of obtaining plausible deniability for violent political action.<<

Oh violent political action is your concern.Like ashcroft approved 
anti-choice assassins.

  >>I would think SOMEBODY can at least make the effort to say something when
violent sentiments are expressed. Guess not. ~Aimee<<

You just said something,Faustine may support you,you may attract a 
following,you go girl! Kill the president,mattd.

Aimee Farr and mattd

[mattd]

Subject: OK, I'm SHUTTING THE FUCK UP NOW!!! [WAS: No, *really*...] 
[WAS!WAS: No, I mean ***really***]
After receiving the attached correspondence from my probation officer,
I have decided to drop my InterNet connection, as it appears that even
accessing NonMainStreamDream news sources, such as politech, or
taking steps to increase my Bust&OR&Penis size, will amount to
unacceptable use of the InterNet.
.
As well, it appears that I am "not to have other people post comments
etc. to that [CPUNX] site" for me. Since 'The True Story of the InterNet'
manuscripts have been traditionally posted to the CPUNX sites by a variety
of people I daresay it is not within my power to keep others from doing so
with the current 'Chronicles of Arnold' manuscripts. As well, I am currently
contacting various CypherPunks for help in locating CPUNKS who
were in contact with the SorryPieceOfShit attorney that Judge Bryan
forced on me in order to sabotage my defense and I cannot forsee
them helping me in this regard without inquiring on the CPUNX lists
in this regard.
As to whether I will face further PerseProsExecution merely for whatever
actions others deem to take with my correspondences or manuscripts,
my suspicion is that the SmartMoney will be Betting 'YES!'
.
My contact information for anyone who has copies of my Prison
correspondence, which I would like to get, or who has copies
or records of their correspondence or contact with the Court
or the SorryPieceOfShitSchill attorney forced upon me, is:
Carl E. Johnson
4343 Lincoln Avenue NE
Renton, WA 98056
(917)861-2044

re: Re: Deformed Consent

[keyser-soze]

It is even better to have a few carefully placed Claymores connected to a voice 
activated trigger.

At 02:57 PM 1/15/2002 -0500, Duncan Frissell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
http://meek.sublette.com/roundup/v95n1/v95n1s2.htm


"They told me they were there to search the house. I asked then if they
had a warrant," said Mr. Storer. They did not. An ATF agent instead
presented Mr. Storer with a consent form to sign allowing the ATF agents
and the Sheriff's deputies to search his trailer.

Mr. Storer, still in his pajamas and his hands on his head, surrounded by
armed officers, was given an option. He and his girlfriend, who was
wearing a t-shirt and little else, could wait outside in the cold until
the ATF could obtain a warrant on a Sunday morning, or he could just sign
the consent.



Kids, if this happens to you don't worry.  Consent obtained at gunpoint is
not considered voluntary even in our debased system.  Always safer not to

Tim May hit by a Goose on the merry go round.

[mattd]

 >>Back on the list for a day or two and already you are back in your tired
old pattern <<

  Yeah,fuck off Tim,you boring old fart.

 >>of claiming that there is some collective guilt for the
actions of individuals. <<

We stole this nation fair and square.

 >>What "mattd" writes about is of little concern to me--I filter his
garbage into the right spot for it.<<

Good old solidarity forever.

  >>The notion that others have to "denounce" his views, or my views, or
your views is wrong-headed. <<

Its clinically insane as are you for responding to it.

 >>People say a lot of things, and others are
free to believe or not believe what they say.<<

Say,did anyone see what Tim did with crypto-anarchy?

  >>It is not our collective
responsibility,<<

Tim acknowledges collective's,is he going soft?

  >>nor any of our individual responsibilities, to denounce
or repudiate them. <<

We are like little rascals playin in the mud.Leave us alone!

 >>And your insinuation that we are using mattd, for example, as a cat's
paw for "violent political action" (?) <<

It could easily be played that way with UK and OZ style media beat ups.I 
haven't been to the states for a long time but Its seems possible 
there,also.Aimee, Id like to get my dick Innuendo.

 >>while "obtaining plausible
deniabilty" is pernicious.<<

and delicious.Section 25,paragraph 18.Need to know,old boy.

  >>Things must be quiet in Crawford with the Prez gone, but this is no
excuse for you to return to this list and resume your trolling. --Tim May

Superintelligent rats disguised as armadildos  have infiltrated the 
compound.They are planting pretzel mines and cutting the presidents coke 
with anthrax.

: Re: judge Magic Lanterned by amateur, and busted

[mattd]

 >>What if the hacker had implanted the files? What if another hacker 
before him had accessed
the system in the same way and had implanted the files? What if a trojan or 
a computer virus had accessed
the system and had implanted the evidence?<<

Questions I must remember to ask the Victorian police if they decide to 
waste an enormous amount of taxpayers money prosecuting me for making 
alleged *death threats*.

I am waiting for my case to come up
& I am waiting
for a rebirth of wonder
& I am waiting for someone
to really discover America
 Lawrence Ferlinghetti, 

Individual bullshitters of the world Unite!

[mattd]

 >>Even if CIA can Echelonize each individual bullshitter and character
string they find on the Internet, it should be quite easy for programmers
to create something that will roam around the net and give them enough
suitable strings to read and check, and leave the smart people well enough
alone. All it takes is one e-mail virus or a trojan that sends randomly 
generated
threats, including perhaps some encrypted shit and files, and the CIA,
Secret Service, etc goon-squads will have their hands full raiding random
people's homes. And all the people of the world would once again be free
to discuss and bullshit each other as much as they want about anyone they
want. But do (we) the serious people really want that?<<

Well heres one non-serious entertainment journalist that does! Like *A 
force more Powerfull*,this will lead to *collapse of Govt's*TM and 
*crypto-anarchy*TM Are you serious? or ingerbally stupid?
National borders are not even speed bumps...even that road hump,Tim May 
knows that.

Los Alamos Scientist Criticizes FBI in Book

[mattd]

The FBI still racist? They haven't been sued enough.There are some 
interesting parallels with early nuclear physics and early (and current) 
crypto.See "Brighter than a thousand suns".Some say this book is Jungk,I 
beg to diffie. Scientist's refuse to work for totalitarian regimes! Shock 
Horreur!
Just finished "legend",by Epstein,a well documented papperbok on Lee Harvey 
O.I hope jim Choate reads this important work and threatens to blow up the 
local FBI HQ,assassinates a president and kills a local yokel KKKop.Choate 
Power!

Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the
spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system,
through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times.
When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs.
Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold

Intelligence: Heredity-Environment Debate Resolved?

[mattd]

And Fukuoya has spoken of "the end of history",we can all relax,take 5 
sharp breaths in through your nose and the rest of the day off.

Punk's attack on the establishment and institutions of the day, its 
willingness to exploit taboos for fun and profit, was supremely effective 
at getting up noses. So what, for all its loudmouth posturing, is punk's 
legacy?
Damning God and the state, work and leisure, home and family, sex and play, 
the audience and itself, the music briefly made it possible to experience 
all these things as if they were not natural facts but ideological 
constructs: things that had been made and therefore could be altered, or 
done away with altogether. It became possible to see those things as bad 
jokes and for the music to come forth as a better joke
The charts for three guitar chords (A, E and G) above a simple exhortation: 
"Now form a band." For many people, that defined punk.

Re: password-cracking by journalists... (fwd)

[Steven Furlong]

Jim Choate forwarded:
> 
> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 11:23:49 -0500
> From: "Arnold G. Reinhold" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> Outside of the good possibility that they might be quotations from
> Islamic religious texts, why would you think Arabic passwords are any
> easier to guess?

How many bits of entropy does each Arabic character contain? *  Written
Arabic has more total symbols than does English, but some are used only
rarely, so maybe there's less entropy in a passphrase of given length.
And maybe Arabic characters are more work on average to type than
English characters *; I'm not familiar with Arabic keyboard layouts, but
there are enough unique characters that chording or something must be
involved. If it's more work to type a 20-character Arabic passphrase,
maybe most users will settle for 10 characters.


* I'm not being lazy in asking rather than looking it up myself. At the
moment I have only email access, no web. I'll look these up if no one
posts the data by the time browsing is restored.


SRF

-- 
Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel

"I did not have sex with that women...Aimee Farrinsky."

[mattd]

I would not like
 > to
 > see this forum further mischaracterized as being associated with certain
 > activities in the press.

Yeah right.

  >>I don't care what you would like this forum characterized or
mischaracterized as.<<

Tim cares for this list like chauncey the gardener,now he's tossing in his 
secateurs! Oh well it is crypto winter for 4 more years.

  >>Fact is, many of us support replacing the current U.S. Government with
something much closer to the intent of the Founders.<<

Yeah,us anarcho-caps want our own slaves and ethnically cleansed stolen lands.

  >>Personally, I think it would be a _good_ thing if a massively violent
event were to cut the head off the snake. This would speed up the
process.<<

You can keep yr snake Tim,but I'm going to cut off your balls.Turn your 
head and cough.

  >>And crypto anarchy makes possible the wider use of various interesting
technologies in support of these goals. Blacknets, data havens, contract
assassinations (not the jimbell "lotteries," which are spectacularly
inefficient),<<

Ah yes, Operation Soft Drill is a killer!

  >>tax avoidance, destabilization of central regimes,<<

By making alleged death threats against a certain *protected* caste,brilliant.

 >>instructions for building weapons of mass destruction, and so on. Don't 
like these views?<<

Not used in support of anarcho-crapitalism,no.Do you want to know more? To 
busy to debate me? OK.

  >>Fine. If you fear having your reputation tainted by the views expressed 
here,
leave. You have never contributed anything worth discussing here. Nearly all of
your messages are whines that we are not being responsible or are
warnings that we'd better tone down our views or face prosecution. 
Worthless. --Tim May
"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice."--Barry Goldwater<<

Putting Tim Mays head in a vice and cutting his throat's not extreme.mattd 
Scorsese.Kill the president.

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USA: Arbitrary, discriminatory, cruel, futile -- 25 years of judicialkilling

[mattd]

A small no of correctional orifacers volunteer for needle duty.They should 
all be sent copies of APster.
Stopping cold blooded state murder is a revolutionaries 1st duty.(plus its 
fun,beats candle vigils and all that bleedin heart %
When have the many little Eichmanns who are preparing the Brave New World 
ever been called to account? Where is any elementary personal 
responsibility?Send me their e-mails,Ill do it.Kill the killers,Kill the 
president.mattd.

  Direct action_ is what it's all about. Undermining the state through the
spread of espionage networks, through undermining faith in the tax system,
through even more direct applications of the right tools at the right times.
When Cypherpunks are called "terrorists," we will have done our jobs.
Font: Daschle-Anthrax-Bold 

Suggested Reading: To better understand anti-Capitalism

[mattd]

www.infoshop.org www.a-infos.org flagblackened's anarchist FAQ's and 
www.indymedia.org  If capitalism is not stopped soon it could easily be the 
death of us.In a revolutionary period the close study of all previous 
revolutions is advisable.

Participation, not consumption, is the single most important idea that 
drives radical egalitarian change, that's why the struggle against 
parliamentary democracy is such an important component of anarchist thought 
and action. 

RSA in China.A rotten stink.

[mattd]

http://cryptome.org/us-cn-exports.htm

Not only are rsa trading with a despicable regime for reasons mentioned 
previously,they would appear to supporting proliferation that stands to 
cost trillions to defend against.Any comment from resident rsa weasel Peter 
Trei?

Re: One arms violent people with weapons

[John Young]

Meyer Wolfsheim wrote:

>There are 13 agencies/organizations in the US Intelligence community,
>according to the CIA:

In addition to the 13 main US intelligence agencies, every 
government department, independent agency and special 
commission has an intelligence function. These units
may be formally listed but are more oftenincluded in the 
legal counsel and security elements of the organization.
Regular liaison with the main intelligence agencies is 
provided. There are exchanges of personnel with the intel
agencies, for specific operations and for training. Intel
officers serve in these organizations domestically and
overseas, sometimes with the knowledge of other
members of the units but often only with the knowledge
of the unit's legal and/or security officers.

Similarly, specialists from these units are assigned to
intel agencies for duty when there is a need for their
expertise, and intel officers are assigned to the units
when there is a need for special intelligence or for
counterintelligence -- and when there is a need for
deniability for either or both the unit and the IC.

NASA has one of the largest intelligence operations,
and there are substantial intel units in Agriculture, 
Commerce (including BXA, NIST and more), Labor, 
Justice (in addition to FBI), FAA, FCC, NTSB and 
so on. Advisory panels and technical advicory
committees customarily have as members or staff
intel officers or reporting agents.

Substantial intelligence operations also occur at the
state and municipal levels and are linked to the federal
by a variety of programs. More in educational and
religious institutions. There are tens of thousands
of former and current intel and military employees
working in private industry who remain sources of
intelligence.

Tis a vast apparatus operating well beyond the cover
story of the famous 13. How far it extends into the
private sector is a most interesting question, sometimes
examined here but not as much as it deserves, since
we abide the enlightened self-inerest that private nefarium 
and dastardy is richly rewarding business so long as gov 
and competitors can be blamed for treachery and betrayal.

Re: CDR: re: Re: Deformed Consent

[measl]

On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Kids, if this happens to you don't worry.  Consent obtained at gunpoint is
> not considered voluntary even in our debased system.  Always safer not to

Yeah, right.

In his shoes I too would have signed the form, although with a written
"signed under physical duress" annotation.  What this country needs is for
the public to start shooting whenever they see a fellow traveller being
attacked in this manner.

Only when it is too dangerous for the gestapo to pull this shit will it stop.

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...

TIMMY the PINHEAD.

[mattd]

TIMMY SAVED IN SAN FRANCISCO!!
At a very successful "SAVE OUR TIMMY" rally outside the offices of the San 
Francisco Chronicle today, January 17 at noon, it was announced by the 
newspaper that, due to demand from hundreds of loyal Timmy readers, the 
strip will be reinstated on the Chronicle's comics pages as of Monday, 
January 28th. Timmy himself attended the rally and presented the 
Chronicle's comics editor. Mi-Ai Parrish with a large glazed donut in 
gratitude and confusion. That's her to Timmy's left,  looking spiritually 
uplifted---The Sacred Heart Church, a condemned 30-year-old building 
resembling a pyramid, was the subject of newspaper cartoonist Bill 
Griffith's irreverent humor that animates Timmy the Pinhead -- an 
unshavenclown whose non sequiturs offer a snide commentary on life and 
human foibles.

http://www.zippythepinhead.com/Pages/newsroom.html

www.revenge.com needed for cybersavanarola's

[mattd]

Net closes on bosses surfing porn
By INGA GILCHRIST
19jan02
MELBOURNE executives are being sprung by hi-tech computer audits checking 
web pornography.
The latest software checks mean foolish high-flyers who dabble in dirty 
Internet sites are being sprung red-handed by their employers and sacked on 
the spot.
A partner in employee relations at law firm Freehills, John Cooper, said 
workers from the mailroom to the boardroom were clicking their way into 
trouble.
"There is nothing typical in this area," he said.
"I've had managing directors and directors who have been terminated for 
this. That sort of makes you wonder."
Mr Cooper said executives hide their smutty surfing in many ways and were 
embarrassed when they were discovered.
"There's usually some amazing story as to why it's there, and they usually 
claim it's their right to have it - that it's private, that sort of thing," 
Mr Cooper said.
Federal privacy commissioner Malcolm Crompton said staff who thought their 
office computer files were private were deluding themselves.
He told of a worker who called in the IT gurus because his computer had 
seized up. The reason? It was jammed full of porn.
And while surfing for sex on company time happens in many industries and at 
all levels, legal experts say tall poppies hide it better than their 
underlings.
Associate at legal firm Maurice Blackburn Cashman Simone Bingham deals 
daily with the cases of sacked senior executives.
Most of the sackings for porn offences happen to blue-collar and mid-level 
workers, she said, possibly because they are more likely to be sprung.
"Executives are not subject to the same type of supervision as people 
further down the food chain," she said.
Often the discovery of sleazy sites on computer files is used as a way to 
give an unpopular executive the boot, according to employment lawyers.
Employment lawyer Rob Jackson, from legal firm Slater and Gordon, 
represents sacked executives and has had two cases in as many years that 
hinged on the discovery of a cache of sleazy files.
He said the workers in both cases had had bad relationships with their 
bosses and the argy-bargy over "jiggy-jiggy" files were used to show them 
the door.
"I suspect in each case if there was a good relationship the employer would 
have been more accommodating and, say, conducted counselling or issued a 
final warning," Mr Jackson said.
Hiding the body of evidence has become tougher for cyber sleazebags during 
the past 12 months, computer security experts say, as gate-keeping and 
auditing software has streaked ahead.
Many large companies, for example, now have firewalls that prevent the 
acceptance of any e-mail with a picture.
This means more busts will be in small and medium-size firms that cannot 
afford the gate-keeping software.
And if you're found out as a serial smut-surfer, expect the trapdoor to 
open abruptly under you.
Ms Bingham and Mr Cooper said most employment contracts have immediate 
dismissal as the consequence of getting caught downloading pornography.
http://heraldsun.news.com.au/ pic of anna Kournikova trying to arouse 
professor rat.

Wackenhut West of cabazon.

[mattd]

Woomera detainees sew lips in protest
By KERRY TAYLOR
CANBERRA
Saturday 19 January 2002
More reports at our Immigration mini-site
At least 58 detainees at the Woomera detention centre have sewn their lips 
together and others have joined a hunger strike, the Immigration Department 
confirmed last night.
The people involved in the latest protest were believed to be angry about 
the length of time it had taken to process their applications for refugee 
status, the department said.
A department spokeswoman could not confirm when the detainees had sewn 
their lips together but said the hunger strike had started on Wednesday.
A security guard at the Woomera detention centre who tried to help a 
detainee who had attempted self-harm was injured when other detainees threw 
rocks at him, she said.
Buildings had also been damaged, she said.
The protest was the latest in a series of disturbances at the centre since 
late last year. Up to $2million damage occurred at Woomera when detainees 
set fire to buildings in December...More
http://theage.com.au/news/national/2002/01/19/FFX5FNRUKWC.html
And Pothibition Idiocies
http://theage.com.au/news/national/2002/01/19/FFX5FNRUKWC.html

Professor rat's," get out of jail free card."

[mattd]

Drunk, begging, no ticket: $100,000
By MEG MUNDELL
Saturday 19 January 2002
Andy turns up for court sober, wearing his best pair of jeans. Where he 
slept last night is anyone's guess. He hasn't had a drink this morning and 
the bottle is calling. But first, he has the small matter of $100,000 worth 
of unpaid fines to deal with.
Andy is painfully thin, but has a wiry resilience that comes from a 
lifetime on the streets. The thump of his case folder hitting the desk 
echoes the gravity of his predicament: 371 warrants issued over five years 
for minor offences - mostly drinking in public, travelling without a valid 
ticket, begging. His highest daily total is 13 fines, each around $100.
For a 64-year-old unemployed, alcoholic and homeless man with a 
drinking-related brain injury, the idea of paying off $100,000 might seem 
laughable. But Andy is not laughing - at worst, the debt could mean more 
than two years in jail.
Luckily for him, today Andy has some substantial legal support - senior 
counsel Felicity Hampel, senior barrister Brian Bourke, and solicitors from 
law firm Minter Ellison and the Homeless Persons Legal Clinic, who are 
assisting him pro bono - and he walks out of court without a conviction.
Andy, whose case was heard in the Magistrates Court last month, is one of a 
growing number of homeless people who are accumulating large fines for 
minor offences incurred on the street. They include "public order" or 
transport offences such as drinking in public, trespassing, using offensive 
language or travelling without a valid ticket.
Homeless people are seldom able to pay the fines and over the years many 
have gone to jail as a result, according to Philip Lynch, coordinator of 
the Homeless Persons Legal Clinic. Although recent changes to state laws 
mean that jailing now occurs less frequently - a person must now appear 
before a magistrate before they can be jailed for unpaid fines - it still 
happens.
Hampel says Andy's case demonstrates the gravity of the problem. "To see a 
man face $100,000 of fines simply because he was homeless and has an 
alcohol problem is very disturbing. It was way out of proportion to the 
social problem he presented."
Ted Salerno, case management supervisor at Ozanam House, a men's crisis 
accommodation service in inner Melbourne, says "more than half" of the 
people coming through his doors have outstanding fines. Salerno says it's 
common for homeless people to accumulate unpaid fines, but faced with the 
more urgent demands of finding food, support and shelter, most don't see 
them as a priority. But for people such as Andy, the debt can trigger a 
downward spiral, he says. "Their substance abuse usually escalates. It 
raises anxiety and can be quite destabilising."
Youth solicitor Gavin Green from Werribee Legal Service says fines have a 
lasting impact on young homeless people. "It adds to their sense of being 
out of control, of hopelessness. These fines linger long after homelessness 
issues are sorted out ... it becomes a lasting legacy of a period of chaos 
in their lives."
More than 130 agencies in Victoria, including police, transport operators 
and local councils, use the PERIN Court (Penalty Enforcement by 
Registration of Infringement Notices) to chase unpaid fines. Fines for 
everything from parking infringements to begging roll through the court, 
gathering costs the longer they remain unpaid.
Although it is part of the Magistrates Court, PERIN is not a 
bricks-and-mortar court but a huge computer, issuing 1800 infringement 
notices a day - about 90 to 95 per cent of which are eventually paid.
But welfare workers and lawyers working with disadvantaged groups say the 
PERIN system is inflexible, inefficient and discriminatory. They say the 
system fails to recognise that the homeless lack both the money to pay 
fines and a letterbox to receive them. Police and transport officers try 
hard to obtain an address from homeless offenders, perhaps a relative or 
homeless shelter. But because the population is transient, most of these 
fines drift around unclaimed, accumulating costs.
Lynch argues that fining the homeless for public order offences is unjust. 
"Homeless people are more likely to be fined, simply because through lack 
of resources they have nowhere else to drink," he says.
Lynch suggests the homeless may be targeted by police and transport 
officers as a visible and vulnerable group. "It is difficult to see how a 
homeless person could receive more than 100 fines in one year, up to 13 in 
one day, unless they were being targeted," he says.
"That's nonsense," says Ted Hart, Police Chief Inspector for the Melbourne 
district. "If the solicitors say we're picking on the homeless, that's 
absolute crap. The tree-huggers try to raise these issues from time to time."
Police say laws are enforced against all offenders and when homeless people 
are fined for public drinking police are usually responding to complaints 
from the community. Officer

chinese govt idiocy

[Anonymous]

http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAW7UI5MWC.html

China Orders Internet Providers to 
Screen E-Mail, Use Less Foreign 
  Software
  By Martin FacklerAssociated Press Writer
 Published: Jan 18, 2002
  BEIJING (AP) - China has issued its most intrusive Internet controls to 
 date, ordering service providers to screen private e-mail for political content and 
 holding them responsible for subversive postings on their Web sites.

 The new rules, posted earlier this week on the Web site of the Ministry of 
 Information Industry, represent Beijing's latest efforts to tighten its grip on the 
only 
 major medium in China not already under state control.

 The regulations also create new difficulties for a competitive industry trying to 
 attract more overseas investment.

 Foreign software makers must now guarantee in writing that their products do not 
 contain hidden programs that would allow spying or hacking into Chinese 
 computers. The rules also require computers playing an important role in Chinese 
 networks to use only domestic software.

 Many in the industry had hoped for a more liberal climate following China's entry 
 into the World Trade Organization. But the rules pointed to Beijing's resolve to 
 keep the Web from being used to spread opposition to Communist Party rule.

 Under the new rules, general portal sites must install security programs to screen 
 and copy all e-mail messages sent or received by users. Those containing 
 "sensitive materials" must be turned over to authorities.

 Providers are also responsible for erasing all prohibited content posted on their 
 Web sites, including online chatrooms and bulletin boards.

 The new rules include a long list of banned content prohibiting writings that reveal 
 state secrets, hurt China's reputation or advocate the overthrow of communism, 
 ethnic separatism or "evil cults."

 The last category covers the Falun Gong spiritual movement, which has frequently 
 resorted to the Internet to defy a harsh two-year crackdown.

 Pornography and violence are also prohibited.

 Authorities have struggled to deal with the Internet since it took off in China in 
the 
 mid-1990s. They want to prevent it from becoming a forum for political discontent 
 without harming its value to business and education.

 China issued its first guidelines on Internet content in late 2000, requiring 
 providers to monitor online chatrooms and bulletin boards and keep records of 
 users' viewing times, addresses and telephone numbers.

 In a country where other major media only mouth the party line, the Internet is 
 often a lively site of impassioned debate. When a fireworks explosion at a 
 southern Chinese school killed dozens of children last year, a flurry of postings 
 criticized the official version blaming a lone bomber and repeated foreign news 
 reports that teachers had forced the children to make firecrackers.


Yeah sure chop chop whatever -just give us access to your billion consumers 

An Article by Noam Chomsky - Le Monde Diplomatique Dec 2001

[!Dr. Joe Baptista]

TEXT:

December 2001 Contents The world's new look 

Terrorism, weapon of the powerful

  The leaders of the United States do not realise that their desire
  to win at everything always has consequences, and that their
  present exploits are likely to have high future costs. Osama bin
  Laden was the price of the US victory over the USSR in
  Afghanistan. What will be the next bill due? 

by NOAM CHOMSKY *

Two things have to be assumed: first, that the events of 11 September
caused probably the most devastating instant death toll of any crime in
history outside war. Second, that our goal is to reduce the likelihood of
such crimes, whether they are directed against us, or someone else. If you
do not accept those assumptions, then I am not addressing you. If you do,
questions arise. Let us start with Afghanistan, where there are seven or
eight million people on the verge of starvation, surviving on
international aid, since way before 11 September. On 16 September, the
United States demanded that Pakistan stop the truck convoys that provided
much of the food and supplies to Afghanistan's civilian population. As far
as I can determine, there was no reaction to this in the US or Europe.
Removing international aid workers further crippled assistance programmes.
After the first week of US bombing, when the aid delivery rate was already
down to half of what was needed, the United Nations warned that the harsh
winter would make deliveries to many areas impossible. The major aid
agencies, Oxfam and Christian Aid, and the Special Rapporteur of the UN in
charge of food, pleaded with the US to stop the bombing; this was not even
mentioned in the New York Times. There was a line in the Boston Globe,
hidden in a story about Kashmir. By October, western civilisation was
resigned to the idea of the death of hundreds of thousands of Afghans. At
the same time, the "leader of western civilisation" [President George
Bush] dismissed with contempt offers to negotiate for the delivery of
Osama bin Laden and a request for evidence to substantiate the US demand
for total capitulation. But let us return to 11 September. There have been
terrorist crimes with more extreme, if more prolonged, effects. But the
events of that day were historic, because there was a radical and new
change in the direction in which the guns were pointed. Pearl Harbor is
the usual analogy, but it is not a good one, as in 1941 the Japanese
bombed military bases in two US colonies (colonies disgracefully taken
from their inhabitants). On 11 September US national territory was
attacked on a large scale for the first time. For nearly 200 years we, the
US, expelled or mostly exterminated indigenous populations, many millions
of people, conquered half of Mexico, depradated the Caribbean and Central
America, conquered Hawaii and the Philippines (killing 100,000 Filipinos).
Since the second world war, the US has extended its reach around the
world. But the fighting was always somewhere else and it was always others
who were being slaughtered. The difference is immediately apparent if you
look at the IRA and terrorism. There are very different reactions to it on
either side of the Irish Sea, in Ireland and Britain. The world looks very
different, depending on whether you are holding the lash or whether you
have been whipped by it for centuries. Perhaps that is why the rest of the
world, although almost uniformly horrified by the 11 September attacks,
nevertheless sees them from a different perspective. Reservoir of sympathy

To understand the origins of 11 September, we have to distinguish between
the agents of the crime and the reservoir of sympathy, sometimes support,
to which they appeal, a reservoir that exists even among people who oppose
both the criminals and their actions. Let us assume the crimes'
perpetrators come from Bin Laden's network. Nobody knows about where they
come from better than the CIA, because it helped organise and nurture
them. President Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor, Zbigniew
Brzezinski, says proudly that the US drew the Russians into "an Afghan
trap" in 1978 by supporting the mujahedin, getting the Russians to invade
the following year. In 1990 the US established permanent military bases in
Saudi Arabia, home of the holiest sites of Islam; and that is when
Islamist activities began to be directed against the US. What about the
support Bin Laden's networks enjoy  even among the governing classes of
countries in the South? Those people are angry at the US because it
supports authoritarian and brutal regimes (and is in its 35th year of
supporting Israel's harsh military occupation), and because its policies
devastate the civilian society of Iraq while strengthening Saddam Hussein.
The New York Times asked: "Why do they hate us?" On the same day the Wall
Street Journal published a survey of the opinions of bankers,
professionals and international lawyers, who said they hate us because we
are blocking democracy, preventing economi

An Important Article by Historian Jeremy Brecher: Open Letter from an American to the World: HELP!

[!Dr. Joe Baptista]

Today's commentary: 
http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2001-12/27brecher.cfm 

== 

ZNet Commentary 
Open Letter from an American to the World: HELP! 
December 28, 2001 
By Jeremy Brecher 

The Bush Administration is blundering into a global conflagration.  There
is currently no force within the U.S. likely to stop it.  It is up to the
rest of the world, and especially Americas friends and allies -- both
governments and their citizens -- to constrain its rush to disaster. 

The Bush administration was warned by its European and Arab allies and its
friends around the world to avoid: 

--A long bombing campaign with significant civilian casualties in
Afghanistan.--Seizure of Kabul by the Northern Alliance. 

--Bombing Afghanistan during Ramadan. 

--Failure to reestablish the Israeli-Palestinian peace process. 

--Withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile (ABM) Treaty. 

Each of these warnings was ignored.  And the emerging result of these and
similar Bush Administration policies is a vast global destabilization that
is acquiring a momentum going far beyond the responses to September 11.
As The New York Times reports, "new battlegrounds" have opened up "from
the Palestinian territories to Kashmir." 

Whether or not the war in Afghanistan was justified, the issue is no
longer about destroying Al Qaeda, or removing the repressive Taliban
regime, or even whether the U.S. will attack Iraq.  

The issue is now an emerging world crisis provoked by a superpower
administration that is acting without rational consideration of the
effects of its actions.  The number of additional civil and international
wars it may stir up is simply incalculable -- and certainly is not being
rationally calculated by the Bush administration. 

This represents a new stage in testing what it means to be the worlds
only superpower.  As a German official put it in The New York Times, in
the past Washington determined its national interest in shaping
international rules, behavior, and institutions.  

"Now Washington seems to want to pursue its national interest in a more
narrowly defined way, doing what it wants and forcing others to adapt." 

The Bush Administration has a list of dozens of countries for possible
intervention, and it is presently debating whos next.  "Pentagon
officials have openly agitated to finish off Mr. [Saddam] Hussein
Recently an American delegation from the State Department was in northern
Iraq, discussing activities in that part of Iraq with Kurdish leaders...
[S]ome administration officials say that Pakistan may be where the next
phase of the war must unfold."   

Somalia, the Sudan, the Philippines -- the shopping list goes on and on. 

The Bush administrations global destabilization is not limited to the war
on terrorism.  U.S. withdrawal from the ABM treaty is initiating a new
nuclear arms race. 

Joseph Biden, Jr., the chairman of the U.S. Senates Foreign Relations
Committee, cites widely reported U.S. intelligence community conclusions
that "pulling out of ABM would prompt the Chinese to increase their
nuclear arsenal tenfold, beyond the modernization they are doing
anyway  And when they build up, so will the Indians, and when the
Indians do, so will the Pakistanis.  And for what?  A system no one is
convinced will work." 

It is an illusion to believe that the U.S. is in any way in control of
events.  Consider the mid-East peace process.  Just as Bush and Powell
were rolling out a major peace initiative, the combination of war parties
in Israel and Palestine sabotaged it completely.  

The U.S. then tilted wildly toward the very forces in Israel that had
sabotaged the U.S. initiative.  The attack on the Indian parliament --
believed by our new friend India to have been organized with the
connivance of our old friend Pakistan -- threatens to provvoke a war that
the U.S. will now be in the middle of. 

The U.S. justification for its attack on Afghanistan as "harboring
terrorists" has already been echoed almost word for word by India, Israel,
Russia, and China for their own purposes.  The use of the "right of
self-defense" as a justification for a unilateral decision to attack any
country one accuses of harboring terrorists provides a pretext that any
national leader can now use to make war against anyone it chooses in
complete disregard of international law. 

Internal constraints? 

There is something that peoples and governments around the world need to
understand:  There are currently no effective internal constraints on what
the Bush Administration can or will do.  Because of popular response to
the September 11 attacks, the Administration feels --correctly, at least
for a time -- that it can do anything without having to fear dissent or
opposition.  

It withdrew from the AMB treaty with barely a ripple of public
questioning.  Its endorsement of Sharons attacks on the Palestinian
Authority wins overwhelming Congressional support.  Open advocacy of 

Re: An Important Article by Historian Jeremy Brecher: Open Letter...

[Michael Motyka]

"!Dr. Joe Baptista" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> forwarded :
> 
> Today's commentary: 
> http://www.zmag.org/sustainers/content/2001-12/27brecher.cfm 
> 
> ...
>
> Internal constraints? 
> 
> There is something that peoples and governments around the world need to
> understand:  There are currently no effective internal constraints on what
> the Bush Administration can or will do.  Because of popular response to
> the September 11 attacks, the Administration feels --correctly, at least
> for a time -- that it can do anything without having to fear dissent or
> opposition.  
>
> ...
> 
Could it be that an Omar or a bin Laden on the loose is a far more
useful political tool than a dead or captured one.

Mike

[Reformatted] stego; digital rights management; MPAA: get some order

[Nob Odie]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nomen Nescio) writes:

> "Device builders need to have some kind of order in their life," said
> Scott Dinsdale, the Motion Picture Association of America's executive
> vice president for digital strategy. "There needs to be a standard way
> of doing this."
>
> [Fuck off, said anonymous device builders..]
>
> [Of course, the digital TV push is FEDERAL: ]
>
> But with a federal deadline bearing down in early May that could
> require most stations to begin broadcasting digital signals, the
> anti-piracy group has little time to settle technology disputes.
>
> 
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/cn/20020117/tc/studios_nearing_anti-copying_tech_for_tv_1.html
>
> While the current proposal is limited, watermarking technology
> ultimately could wind up barring consumers from copying their favorite
> shows or movies off the air, as they are routinely able to do with
> VCRs or digital video recorders such as TiVo. Proponents of the plan
> note that the technology wouldn't necessarily bar copying but would
> allow content owners such as studios to create new business models
> such as charging for the right to copy or share with friends.
>
> This could be controversial, and some consumer groups have objected,
> pointing to the 1980s Supreme Court decision that originally gave the
> green light to VCRs, saying that people could legally tape TV shows.
>
> That doesn't necessarily mean broadcast companies have to provide
> shows in a format that can be taped and distributed online, however.
> And analysts say consumers are likely to accept the new copy
> restrictions as just one more element of a new generation of
> technology that provides features well beyond what they've been used
> to with analogue TV.
>
> But a standard that comes together so quickly is unlikely to be a
> final product, they add.
>
> "This will be cracked, and it will be modified, and it will be
> cracked again," said P.J. McNealy, research director with GartnerG2,
> a division of the Gartner research firm. "That's the reality of this
> business."

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Canadian Flag Censorship

[Matthew Gaylor]

From: "Carlo Stagnaro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Lew Rockwell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jim Bovard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ralph Raico" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Matthew Gaylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: canadian flag
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 14:52:33 +0100

Dear Friends,

A few days ago, Canadian government ordered FORCES Canada to remove Canadian
flag from its website. They said the flag is a trademark of the government
(!). Since no other site has been forced to do it, many argue Canadian
government legally attacked FORCES (http://www.forces.org) since it is a
pro-right to smoke organization. Please find below the incredible story.
Hope you find this of interest.

Best,
carlo


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Why do we have a Canadian flag on our site? Here is the incredible story.

January 9th, 2001 - FORCES Canada receives a phone call from the Treasury
Board/Secretariat Canada. It is demanded to cease and desist from using
thew Canadian flag on the FORCES Canada site, because the Canadian
Government has the trademark on the flag, and it does not allow citizens to
use it. A written comunication on this issue is required by FORCES Canada.

__

January 10th - The communication is transmitted via e-mail, as shown below:

Subj:trademark infringement
Date:1/10/2002 8:17:23 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pat, this is further to our telephone conversation of January 9, 2002
regarding products identified on the Forces Canada Internet site that were
infringing on a registered trademark held by the Government of Canada.

The flag symbol is a global identifier of the Government of Canada. It is
used to identify federal institutions and is protected under the Trademarks
Act (Section 9 (1)(n)(iii) of the Act). The flag symbol was approved and
entered as an official mark of the Government of Canada on the Trademarks
Register held by the Canadian Trademarks Office, which is part of the
Canadian Intellectual Property Office at Industry Canada, on 30 September
1987.

As discussed, there is evidence that Forces Canada Internet site is
advertising on the World Wide Web bearing the flag symbol of the Government
of Canada. You are advised that your organization must take immediate
corrective action with respect to infringement of this trademark. In
addition we require a written undertaking to immediately cease and desist
displaying the flag symbol on the Forces Canada Internet site and all
associated pubic relations products.

If you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me.

Jan Ovens
613-957-2544 I [EMAIL PROTECTED]  I
Facsimile/Tilicopieur : 613-946-5187
Federal Identity Program, Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat
Programme de coordination de l'lmage de marque, Secritariat du Conseil du
Trisor du Canada
400 Cooper St. | 400, rue Cooper | Ottawa Canada K1A 0R5

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January 10th - FORCES Canada replies:

Date: 1/10/2002
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dear Jan:

Thank you for your written directive. I am arranging to have the flag
removed from the FORCES Canada website as soon as possible. When this has
been done, I will advise you. It will also be removed from any other
materials used by our FORCES Chapter.

FORCES Chapters are grassroots, volunteer groups. We do not buy or sell
anything. The only thing we "advertise" by use of the flag is our
geographic locations.

I must tell you that this situation has produced incredulity, not only on
our part but in our international Chapters as well. With this type of
'ownership' of what was a unifying Canadian citizen identification symbol,
it's impossible to dialogue with counterparts in other countries on the
basis of a "free" nation status.

Thank you for the very professional way in which you have handled this
matter. I appreciate your civility.

Best regards,
Pat

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January 11th - the flag is removed, and this letter follows:

Dear Jan:

The Canadian flag has been removed from FORCES CANADA - What's New and
FORCES CANADA

Please confirm that this Website modification is satisfactory.

Thank you and best regards,
Pat

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January 16th - This letter is received by the Canadian Government:

Subj: trademark infringement
Date: 1/16/2002 10:45:36 AM Pacific Standard Time
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Pat, I have visited the Forces Canada Internet site and concur that the
necessary corrective action has taken place with respect to the trade-mark
infringement issue identified in my E-mail to you of January 10, 2002.
Thank you for your prompt attention to this issue.

My regards.
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January 18th - Gian Turci, Canadian citizen living in Italy, sends the
following letter to Mr. Ovens:

Dear Mr. Ovens,

Please check the site www.forcesitaly.org, of which I am responsible. You
will find that I am in violation of your "trademark." I take sole
responsibility for this act of individualism, as a Canadian citizen,
against a once great nat

Re: One arms violent people with weapons.

[mattd]

 >>Tis a vast apparatus operating well beyond the cover
story of the famous 13. How far it extends into the
private sector is a most interesting question, sometimes
examined here but not as much as it deserves, since
we abide the enlightened self-inerest that private nefarium
and dastardy is richly rewarding business so long as gov
and competitors can be blamed for treachery and betrayal.<<

Indeed,chauncy will be along soon with his seceteurs and constitution.One 
interesting case of unofficial CIA use of a 'private' and 'unpaid' agent 
was the use of george de mohrenschildt,who was spirited away to Haiti 
during WC hearings,then "committed suicide',while being interviewed for the 
book "legend,The secret world of LH.Oswald.While not permitted to use US 
citizens in domestic operations,regular lists of exceptions were given to 
Justice by High up's in the Company.
The present day scene involves so much back and forth between the State and 
Corporations,its silly to differentiate in most cases.To say one is *worse* 
than the other is absurd.They may be played against each other 
sometimes,that's good.
Large corporations should not survive the coming crypto-revolution.They 
will last longer than the State,though.We dont have much time to muck out 
the anarcho-crapitalists from cypherpunks.Its a dirty job...

Hysterical hand waving historians.

[mattd]

 >>Internal constraints?
 >
 > There is something that peoples and governments around the world need to
 > understand:  There are currently no effective internal constraints on what
 > the Bush Administration can or will do.  Because of popular response to
 > the September 11 attacks, the Administration feels --correctly, at least
 > for a time -- that it can do anything without having to fear dissent or
 > opposition.
 >
 > ...
 >
Could it be that an Omar or a bin Laden on the loose is a far more
useful political tool than a dead or captured one.

The global justice movement including APster inclined Cypherpunks will stop 
them both dead.(my 0.02c)
Who wants to participate to help form what will be the LAST revolution on 
earth, the one that'll take down ALL the governments?

Re: One arms violent people with weapons

[faustine .]

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John wrote:

>Tis a vast apparatus operating well beyond the cover
>story of the famous 13. How far it extends into the
>private sector is a most interesting question, sometimes
>examined here but not as much as it deserves,

Deep, and getting deeper all the time. A fascinating theorist from Brookings
refers to this as "the shadow of government", and people like our many friends
here who take money for government contract work "the shadow federal workforce":

The Shadow of Government

The shadow government casts through its vast inventory of private, nonprofit
and state and local partners is a blend of intent and accident. On the onehand,
it reflects decades of perfectly appropriate contracting for impeccably
commercial activities and non-inherently governmental functions. On the other
hand, the shadow also reflects decades of personnel ceilings, hiring limits and
unrelenting pressure to do more with less. Under pressure to create a
government that looks smaller and delivers at least as much of everything the
public wants, federal departments and agencies did what came naturally: They
pushed jobs outward and downward into a vast shadow that is mostly outside the
public's consciousness.

That creates a truth-in-advertising problem. It is impossible to have an honest
debate about the role of government in society if the measurements only
include part of the government. The government also is increasingly reliant on
non-federal workers to produce goods and services that used to be delivered in
- -house. Not only does the shadow workforce create an illusion of smallness that
may mislead the public about the true size of government, it may create an
illusion of merit as jobs inside government are held to strict merit standards,
while jobs under contracts, grants and mandates are not. It may also create
illusions of capacity and accountability as agencies pretend they know enough
to oversee their shadow workforce when, in fact, they no longer have the
ability to distinguish good product or service from bad.

The government knows virtually nothing about its shadow. Neither the Office of
Personnel Management nor the Office of Management and Budget has ever counted
the full-time-equivalent non-federal workforce, let alone analyzed its
appropriateness.

***

Wheres the incentive for anyone here or elsewhere to step forward and admit
youre working for the CIA, NSA or wherever? How much business can you take
before you wake up and realize you're working for a front company?

"Hey, back off man, my paycheck coming is from the private sector. Nevermind
whos footing the bill or where my research product goes.  Its not a front
company, the DoD is a uh um just someone we do business with. They didnt even
tell me who the real client is. So dont blame me."


You can cut as many smelly little deals with the Devil as you please, but at
the end of the day when you look in the mirror you really ought to see yourself
for what you are. Feds are bumbling fools but somehow you, the genius
beyond-cool cypherpunk contractor, are any different? Blinding you with your
passionate commitment to the free market, not bad.

What a brilliant con.

~Faustine.


***

He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from
oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will
reach to himself.
- -Thomas Paine

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This place has turned into a disease vector for anti-intelligence
propaganda. Some of you are "carriers."

Governments opposed to the re-invigoration of our intelligence capabilities
and American spheres of influence are planting some of this crap. The
Russians made some direct threats of "relative measures" after the Pasko
protests (aimed at the FSB), citing the involvement of U.S. diplomats.

~Aimee

BUMs Downunder.

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Stories in todays adrags.Ray whitrod,a reforming Qld police commissioner 
has his memoirs out wherein he says some seppo secret agent once advised 
him to keep blackmail files aLa "mary" at the fbi.More interesting to me is 
the explosion of interest in Barter Units of  Money,or BUMs.I noticed them 
using barter in Argentina the other day on the news.Now the au has a story 
on LETS.(Local Exchange Trading System) See www.lets.org.au.
The article cites precursors going back to use of "scrip',during the 
depression and trials in Worgl,Austria around that time.
Indonesia is said to have LETS printed currency. A country where the 
corrupt crony capitalists steal billions while Nike workers get 2.50$ per 
day would seem ripe for mass BUM intercourse.As a way to cease paying taxes 
for a repressive military/industrial complex and encourage reciprocity,(and 
APster) The future may be in your BUM.

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visionaries, sorcerers & chiromancers, because all these
things have being, because, for me, there are no limits, no
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
>
> John wrote:
>
> >Tis a vast apparatus operating well beyond the cover story of the
> >famous 13. How far it extends into the private sector is a most
> >interesting question, sometimes examined here but not as much as it
> >deserves,
>
> Deep, and getting deeper all the time. A fascinating theorist from
> Brookings refers to this as "the shadow of government", and people
> like our many friends here who take money for government contract work
> "the shadow federal workforce":
>
> The Shadow of Government
>
> The shadow government casts through its vast inventory of private,
> nonprofit and state and local partners is a blend of intent and
> accident. On the onehand, it reflects decades of perfectly appropriate
> contracting for impeccably commercial activities and non-inherently
> governmental functions. On the other hand, the shadow also reflects
> decades of personnel ceilings, hiring limits and unrelenting pressure
> to do more with less. Under pressure to create a government that looks
> smaller and delivers at least as much of everything the public wants,
> federal departments and agencies did what came naturally: They pushed
> jobs outward and downward into a vast shadow that is mostly outside
> the public's consciousness.
>
> That creates a truth-in-advertising problem. It is impossible to
> have an honest debate about the role of government in society if the
> measurements only include part of the government. The government also
> is increasingly reliant on non-federal workers to produce goods and
> services that used to be delivered in - -house. Not only does the
> shadow workforce create an illusion of smallness that may mislead the
> public about the true size of government, it may create an illusion of
> merit as jobs inside government are held to strict merit standards,
> while jobs under contracts, grants and mandates are not. It may also
> create illusions of capacity and accountability as agencies pretend
> they know enough to oversee their shadow workforce when, in fact, they
> no longer have the ability to distinguish good product or service from
> bad.
>
> The government knows virtually nothing about its shadow. Neither the
> Office of Personnel Management nor the Office of Management and Budget
> has ever counted the full-time-equivalent non-federal workforce, let
> alone analyzed its appropriateness.
>
> ***
>
> Wheres the incentive for anyone here or elsewhere to step forward and
> admit youre working for the CIA, NSA or wherever? How much business
> can you take before you wake up and realize you're working for a front
> company?
>
> "Hey, back off man, my paycheck coming is from the private sector.
> Nevermind whos footing the bill or where my research product goes. Its
> not a front company, the DoD is a uh um just someone we do business
> with. They didnt even tell me who the real client is. So dont blame
> me."
>
> You can cut as many smelly little deals with the Devil as you please,
> but at the end of the day when you look in the mirror you really ought
> to see yourself for what you are. Feds are bumbling fools but somehow
> you, the genius beyond-cool cypherpunk contractor, are any different?
> Blinding you with your passionate commitment to the free market, not
> bad.
>
> What a brilliant con.
>
> ~Faustine.
>
> ***
>
> He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy
> from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a
> precedent that will reach to himself. - -Thomas Paine
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[Reformatted] Charges Against Egyptian Student Over Hotel Radio Are Dr

[Anonymous via the Cypherpunks Tonga Remailer]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> January 17, 2002
> Charges Against Egyptian Student Over Hotel Radio Are Dropped
> By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
> Filed at 8:08 p.m. ET
> 
> NEW YORK (AP) -- Shouting ``nothing tops freedom,'' an Egyptian
> student forgave the FBI on Thursday for throwing him in jail after an
> aviation radio was found in his hotel room near the World Trade Center
> on Sept. 11.
>
> Abdallah Higazy, 30, was released late Wednesday after a month in
> detention because another hotel guest -- a private pilot -- told
> officials the radio was his.
>
> ``To be absolutely honest, I don't blame the FBI for thinking it was
> mine,'' Higazy said. He offered to take two agents who interrogated
> him to dinner so everyone could ``bury the hatchet.''
>
> -
> Yeah, I'd bury the hatchet... in the back of their heads.

[Reformatted] EPIC sues big brother

[Nomen Nescio]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (lcs Mixmaster Remailer) writes:

> http://www.fcw.com/fcw/articles/2002/0114/web-epic-01-16-02.asp
>
> Privacy advocates have filed a lawsuit in federal court to force the
> Justice and Treasury departments to disclose details about buying
> information about individuals from commercial databases. The agencies
> are generally banned from amassing such information on their own.
>
> Electronic Privacy Information Center officials said Jan. 15 that 
> the two agencies have illegally failed to respond to Freedom of   
> Information Act requests for details about their information  
> purchasing practices. 
>
> Lawyers for EPIC sought the information after seeing news reports and
> obtaining documents that indicate at least six federal law enforcement
> agencies buy personal information from database companies.
>
> The companies include ChoicePoint Inc., which gathers and sells
> information for purposes ranging from employment background checks to
> insurance fraud investigations, and Experian, which claims to have
> information gathered from "hundreds of public and proprietary sources"
> on 215 million consumers.
>
> The Privacy Act of 1974 banned federal agencies from collecting   
> personal information about individuals unless they are actively   
> investigating the individual. But no such prohibitions apply to   
> database companies.   
>
> The companies collect data from a wide range of commercial and
> government sources, such as credit card records, motor vehicle
> and property records, license records, marriage and divorce data,
> bankruptcy and other court databases, product warranty registrations,
> loan applications and other sources.
>
> Government agencies that buy the information include the FBI, the Drug
> Enforcement Administration, the U.S. Marshals Service, the Internal
> Revenue Service, the Immigration and Naturalization Service, and the
> Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, according to EPIC.
>
> A key concern for privacy advocates is how accurate the data is,  
> said Chris Hoofnagle, EPIC's legislative counsel who filed the
> suit. ChoicePoint, for example, provided inaccurate data to Florida   
> election officials, who denied thousands of voters access to the  
> polls in 2000.
>
> Hoofnagle said EPIC obtained documents that show that information 
> the IRS bought from ChoicePoint and Experian included "credit header  
> data," which includes a person's name, current and prior addresses,   
> Social Security number, date of birth, telephone number, information  
> from property records, motor vehicle records, marriage licenses and   
> divorce papers, and records of international asset location. IRS  
> employees have access to this data through their desktop computers,   
> Hoofnagle said.   
>
> It is not clear whether the agencies buying information are
> violating the law, "but if they are buying information without real
> investigations going on, then there are going to be problems," he
> said.
>
> The Privacy Act was passed to stop information collection abuses  
> that were common during the 1960s and 1970s, when the FBI and other   
> agencies compiled detailed dossiers on Vietnam War protesters, civil  
> rights activists, political "enemies" of the president, celebrities   
> and others.   
>
> Hoofnagle said recent cases show that the abuse of information by 
> government employees has not ended. Recent abuses include police  
> employees using information to track women for dates and to rob   
> rental cars and federal employees selling DEA data, he said.  
>
> "You don't have to have a rogue government, just a rogue civil
> servant," he said.
>
> The Justice Department has 30 days to respond to the suit.

[Reformatted] chinese govt idiocy

[Anonymous]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Anonymous) writes:

> http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGAW7UI5MWC.html
>
> China Orders Internet Providers to Screen E-Mail, Use Less Foreign
> Software  
>
> By Martin FacklerAssociated Press Writer
> Published: Jan 18, 2002
>
>  BEIJING (AP) - China has issued its most intrusive Internet
>  controls to date, ordering service providers to screen private e-mail
>  for political content and holding them responsible for subversive
>  postings on their Web sites.
>
>  The new rules, posted earlier this week on the Web site of the
>  Ministry of Information Industry, represent Beijing's latest efforts
>  to tighten its grip on the only major medium in China not already
>  under state control.
>
>  The regulations also create new difficulties for a competitive
>  industry trying to attract more overseas investment.
>
>  Foreign software makers must now guarantee in writing that their
>  products do not contain hidden programs that would allow spying or
>  hacking into Chinese computers. The rules also require computers
>  playing an important role in Chinese networks to use only domestic
>  software.
>
>  Many in the industry had hoped for a more liberal climate following
>  China's entry into the World Trade Organization. But the rules
>  pointed to Beijing's resolve to keep the Web from being used to
>  spread opposition to Communist Party rule.
>
>  Under the new rules, general portal sites must install security
>  programs to screen and copy all e-mail messages sent or received by
>  users. Those containing "sensitive materials" must be turned over to
>  authorities.
>
>  Providers are also responsible for erasing all prohibited content
>  posted on their Web sites, including online chatrooms and bulletin
>  boards.
>
>  The new rules include a long list of banned content prohibiting
>  writings that reveal state secrets, hurt China's reputation or
>  advocate the overthrow of communism, ethnic separatism or "evil
>  cults."
>
>  The last category covers the Falun Gong spiritual movement, which
>  has frequently resorted to the Internet to defy a harsh two-year
>  crackdown.
>
>  Pornography and violence are also prohibited.
>
>  Authorities have struggled to deal with the Internet since it took
>  off in China in the mid-1990s. They want to prevent it from becoming
>  a forum for political discontent without harming its value to
>  business and education.
>
>  China issued its first guidelines on Internet content in late 2000,
>  requiring providers to monitor online chatrooms and bulletin boards
>  and keep records of users' viewing times, addresses and telephone
>  numbers.
>
>  In a country where other major media only mouth the party line,
>  the Internet is often a lively site of impassioned debate. When a
>  fireworks explosion at a southern Chinese school killed dozens of
>  children last year, a flurry of postings criticized the official
>  version blaming a lone bomber and repeated foreign news reports that
>  teachers had forced the children to make firecrackers.
>
>  Yeah sure chop chop whatever -just give us access to your billion
> consumers

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[Reformatted] Israel Spying on America

[Anonymous]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jei) writes:

> -- Forwarded message --
> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:34:17 +1100
> From: Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ParanoidTimes] Spying on America
> 
> Spying on America 
> Charles R. Smith
> Wednesday, Jan. 16, 2002 
> FBI Investigates Foreign Spy Ring - U.S. Companies Deny Involvement
>
> In the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, the FBI reportedly
> stumbled on an espionage ring that had penetrated the wiretapping
> system of U.S. law enforcement. Fox News Channel reported that the FBI
> was holding nearly 100 Israeli citizens with direct ties to foreign
> military, criminal and intelligence services.
>
> In a follow-up to these reports, the FBI did not deny that such
> actions had been taken. However, FBI spokesman Paul Bresson would not
> answer specific questions on the reported espionage.
>
> "We have seen the Fox News segments that aired several weeks ago
> on this topic and found some inaccuracies with it. Because they
> are sensitive issues, I do not have the luxury of discussing what
> precisely was accurate and what was inaccurate about their reporting,"
> stated Paul Bresson, spokesman for the FBI.
>
> "Most of the questions [asked by NewsMax.com] are not directly
> answerable by CALEA [Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement
> Act]. Your questions may be more properly addressed to our National
> Security Division, which I know would never discuss this with you,
> unfortunately," stated Bresson.
>
> Employees of U.S. Companies Reportedly Involved
>
> The espionage operation reportedly includes employees of two companies
> that perform official wiretaps for U.S. local, state and federal law
> enforcement: Comverse Infosys and Amdocs. Official spokesman for both
> companies denied any involvement in the alleged espionage ring.
>
> "Amdocs is unaware of any investigation or allegations and has not
> been contacted by any agency," stated Dan Ginsberg, of the PR firm
> Porter Novelli, for Amdocs.
>
> "Amdocs has not been involved in any illegal or improper activity,"
> said Ginsberg flatly.
>
> "We know of absolutely no factual basis for suggestions that
> intelligence agencies or others have misused our products for illicit
> purposes," stated Paul Baker, spokesman for Comverse.
>
> "In particular, no company employees have been involved in any of
> the incidents referred to in your December 19 story. Moreover, the
> reference in that story to a suspected abuse of our equipment in a
> foiled Los Angeles drug bust was completely erroneous. Our equipment
> was not involved in any such incident," said Baker.
>
> "Comverse Technology is a New York-based corporation that has been
> publicly traded for 15 years. It is an S&P 500 and a NASDAQ-100
> Index company that has won a worldwide leadership position in
> telecommunications," noted Baker.
>
> "More than 10 years ago, Comverse established Comverse Infosys
> Technology as a separate subsidiary to meet the monitoring
> applications needs of some U.S. customers. This group maintains the
> high-level security clearances these customers require," said Baker.
>
> "In full compliance with U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) regulations,
> this subsidiary's operations are completely segregated from all other
> Comverse businesses and are insulated from any foreign influence,"
> said Baker.
>
> "The board of directors overseeing these operations consists of former
> high-level military officers, including two retired Air Force generals
> appointed by the DOD. In addition, the DOD monitors Comverse Infosys
> Technology's operations to ensure they remain in full regulatory
> compliance.
>
> "All equipment supplied by Comverse complies with all applicable
> government security requirements. The notion that 'backdoor' access
> has been built into the systems is absurd. For more than 10 years,
> these systems have been sold to customers in more than 40 countries,
> who have subjected them to rigorous and continuous security testing
> without a single reported breach," said Baker.
>
> "As with any computer equipment that sits on a network, the Comverse
> systems are protected by the security measures and access restrictions
> imposed by the user of the network, whether a government agency or
> telephone operator. We fully support the evolving CALEA standard, and
> remain committed to maintaining our industry leadership in providing
> secure and reliable systems," concluded Baker.
>
> FBI Response Raises Questions
>
> Despite the extensive denials by Amdocs and Comverse, the curious
> response by the FBI has raised more questions than answers. Sources
> inside Capitol Hill are investigating the allegations and made no
> comments on the allegations of espionage at this time. However, the
> demands for answers continued to grow outside political circles.
>
> "If national security is the overriding issue in the FBI's treatment
> of this case, the correct respon

Re: War Relocation Authority Camps in Arizona, 1942-1946 (was Re: The Scout Report -- January 18, 2002)

[Steve Schear]

At 08:47 PM 1/18/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>At 7:00 PM -0600 on 1/18/02, Internet Scout Project wrote:
>
>
> > 6.  War Relocation Authority Camps in Arizona, 1942-1946
> > http://www.letrs.indiana.edu/web/w/wright2/
> >
> > In this era of renewed concern over the potential impact of racial
> > profiling, the University of Arizona Library's exhibit on the internment of
> > Japanese-Americans during World War II is a well-timed reminder of the
> > inanity of such actions, to say nothing of their disruptiveness in the 
> lives
> > of (otherwise) ordinary American citizens.

Though without a doubt this episode was one of the blackest recent events 
in the denial of constitutional rights and a great follow on to the 
unconstitutional expansion of fed authority under FDR, it was not without 
some unintended benefits.  During the internment the parents, especially 
the fathers, had little to do and so spent much more time with their 
children, which prior received much less attention as was the custom.  One 
of my good friends grew up in the camps and credited them with greatly 
improving his childhood.

Prior to the war the U.S. Japanese community was pretty insular, due no in 
no small part to the rampant white racism.  The internment accelerated 
their integration.  With their property and family businesses forfeit many 
fell into poverty.  However, many of their children found new post-war 
opportunities.  My friend became a football star and went on to win 
scholarships eventually receiving a PhD in Engineering.  He left little 
doubt this would not have happened without the internment.

steve

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