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Any laskar jihad terrorist out in the aussi bush can light more than a little C4.Can also smuggle fruit fly interstate. The horror...the horror. AUSTRALIAN ANARCHIST HISTORY DAVID ANDRADE 1859 - 1928 In May 1886, David Andrade, his brother Will Andrade and a few others formed Australia9s first Anarchist group - The Melbourne Anarchist Club. David Andrade was a regular contributor to the club9s journal Honesty. David and his brother Will were booksellers, they had a newsagency in Brunswick. In 1890, they moved to Liberty Hall in Russell St, Melbourne and set up Australia9s first anarchist bookshop and vegetarian restaurant. Andrade was a writer, publisher, distributor, organiser, activist and propagandist. Publications he wrote include Money - A Study of the Currency Question 1887, An Anarchist Plan of Campaign 1888 and in 1892 he published the novel, the Melbourne Riots and how Harry Holdfast and his friends emancipated "the workers". David Andrade was a major participant in the Melbourne Anarchist Club split in 1888, which revolved around the question of "forcible reclamation and defence of liberty" - violence. David Andrade, a pacifist, rejected the idea of the use of violence. David Andrade, a man with incredible amounts of energy, became secretary of the Unemployed Workers Association in Richmond in the early 18909s and in 1893 took up a selection of 10 acres in the Dandenong Ranges at Kallista, where he cleared the land, built a house and worked as a storekeeper and mailman. His second son, who was named Proudhon, was born on the selection in 1893. Andrade and his family were burnt out in the fires of 1898. The fires destroyed everything he had built up over his lifetime. Seventeen years after he began his Anarchist Odyssey, the pressures became too much to bear and David Andrade was admitted to the Yarra Bend asylum in 1903 and spent the next 25 years in various asylums, dying in the Ballarat Mental Asylum in 1928. His two sons died in 1909 and 1913. Andrade, in P.D. Gardner9s words, "was caught up with the various means by which the idea could be turned into practice". I9m deeply indebted to Mountain Echoes No.21 by P.D. Gardner for the information for this article. FIVE YEARS OF MOUNTAIN ECHOES (1-60) IS NOW AVAILABLE FROM NGARAK PRESS. Write to Ngarak Press, PO Box 18 Ensay 3895 Australia or email Ngarak Press at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for your copy of Five Years of Mountain Echoes. BOOK REVIEW ANARCHISM ARGUMENTS FOR AND AGAINST, Albert MELTZER, AK Press 7th Edition 2000. ISBN 1873176570 Albert Meltzer, a class struggle anarchist for over 60 years, first published Anarchism Arguments for and Against in 1981. The booklet was reissued five times between the time it was first published in 1981 and his death in 1996. The 7th Edition is pocket size, 96 page, blockbuster, that like the original, oscillates between brilliance and the mundane. After an introduction by Sturat Christie on the life and times of Albert Meltzer, Albert opens his account by giving a potted description of the modern Anarchist Movement. In this introductory section, Meltzer leaves out more than he puts in. The rest of the book is split into two distinct sections, arguments for and against Anarchism. In the first section, he examines the Inalienable Tenets of Anarchism, the class struggle, organisation and Anarchism, the role of an Anarchist in an Authoritarian Society and Bringing about the New Society. His arguments about what anarchism is, are easy to understand, but patchy in parts. His tendency to wander off in the midst of an argument to berate who he considers are his anarchist enemies, diminishes his arguments about anarchism. The strength of the book lies in the second part. In this part, Objections to Anarchism, he clearly refutes the arguments of all those political and social movements that have tried to confine anarchism to the historical cyber bin. Sixty years of militant activity have clearly sharpened Meltzer9s intellect to a point where he is able to shrivel the arguments of all those elements in society that oppose Anarchism in a few sharp sentences. Objections to Anarchism begins with Meltzer9s ideas on Leadership and ends with the Reduction of Anarchism to Marginalisation. In between, he lucidly and simply, overturns the objections of Marxists, Capitalists, Fascists, Social-Democrats, Trade Union officials, sections of the Feminist movement and tackles the mythical Average Persons Objection to Anarchism. Anarchism - Arguments for and Against is available for $10.70 (Australian) from Anarres Books. Write to them at PO Box 150 East Brunswick 3057 Melbourne Australia or if you are cyber savvy email your order to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Want Anarres latest catalogue? Write to them or have a look at their web site www.anarres.org.au.
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Re: CDR: Argentina has decisively entered the road of revolution.
Great propaganda piece. Take a revolt against government manipulation of the economy and portray it as the death of capitalism... Kinda gives himself away by describing the fall of Saigon as "foreign invaders fleeing from an army of national liberation." Marc de Piolenc mattd wrote: > > Argentina - The Revolution has Begun > > By Alan Woods > > For the bourgeois press, this was a sudden descent into collective madness. > "Argentina collapses into chaos" was a typical headline. Chaos there is. It > is the chaos of the capitalist system, of the so-called market > economy that was supposed to have solved all the problems of Argentina, > under the benevolent auspices of the IMF and the World Bank.
Re: Time to unsubscribe...
Maybe I should start a new list called realitypunks, > which will have these rules: > > 1. No ad hominem attacks. > > 2. No anti-governemnt ranting. > > 3. A few select incoherent ranters would need to be kicked out for > causing excessive harm to the signal-to-noise ratio. > > 4. Let's focus on PR, marketing and psychology instead of technology, > legal debate, and confrontation. > > If a bunch of people are interested I'll create it. If not, that's ok > too. Enjoy yourself. >>>On Tue, Dec 25, at 05:56AM, Dr. Evil wrote: | Basically half the posts to this list are incoherent, idiotic rambling | from mattd@and ravage@... The few bits of wonderfully | interesting news on this list aren't quite wonderful enough to | motivate me to figure out how to use mail filters. If someone knows | of a filtered version of this list, please let me know. procmail is your friend. proctology is your future.
Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > >>| Anarchism is a variant of socialism > > an7ar7chism (nr-kzm) > n. > > The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive > and > undesirable and should be abolished. > > Which is self-referential (it basically says that even anarchism will > oppress). << > > Indeed.Especially where delegates are not rotated and revocable.See jamesd > for the dangers anarchism in practise. You don't need James D., all you've got to do is look to your neighbors. In an anarchism what is illegal is whatever you do that irritates your neighbors. Which is about as coersive as it gets, need an example of why CACL doesnt' work, look at the discussion around the 'CDR:' in message titles. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
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Re: Tim May on the end of a rope.
-- mattd: > > > Gaston Leval,Bookchin,Paz,Chomsky and even H.Thomas. James A. Donald: > > Commie liars, except for Thomas, who does not say what > > you claim he does. mattd: > Ahwell! Still if you want to lump stalinists,trots and > anarchs together The difference between Stalinists and Trots is that the Trots were from the beginning more extreme, more brutal, and more contemptuous of ordinary Russians. The original point of dispute between Stalin and Trotsky was that Trotsky though Stalin was too soft on the kulaks. The moderate faction in Russia were the Zinovievists. No one outside Russia thought himself a Zinovievist, all identifying with the more extreme, not less extreme, factions of Soviet communism. There once upon a time was difference between those you falsely call anarchists, and the commies, but after the incompatibility between anarchism and socialism was demonstrated in 1936-1938, the difference vanished. Chomsky illustrates this well. Wherever the masters boot smashes repeatedly into the face of a child, we can always rely on Chomsky to find a good word for the master, and demonize the child as a CIA agent. Chomsky defended the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, the slave labor camps employed to pacify South Vietnam, rationalized the Soviet reinvasion of Czechoslovakia and Hungary as defence against US aggression, and supported Stalin's attacks on Greece. --digsig James A. Donald 6YeGpsZR+nOTh/cGwvITnSR3TdzclVpR0+pr3YYQdkG 3gh0I8l0+2c0DhDc25zDuOGyLW5+w/ysrzPJbbJQ 4DT1gyDtaBQfFxPVNIinlWXVmFGa7MKPhZhfsdGyh
Re: Simplest possible ecash mint
On 24 Dec 2001, at 9:40, Nomen Nescio wrote: > How simple can an ecash mint be? > > For the simplest case there should be no accounts. All the mint does is > exchange coins for other coins. There are no customer lists, no records > of transactions (except as needed for double-spending detection). In order to give value to ecoins, it is necessarily to make them convertible with some other currency, normally an account based currency. It is difficult to do this without supporting accounts. One could of course have a pile of gold, and physically and in person exchange coins for physical gold, but it is considerably more convenient to exchange coins for account based money, such as e-gold. It is difficult to make such transactions entirely atomic, because of the possibility that something might go wrong, requiring durable state. We then need a database key for that state. Such a database key looks rather like an account > By itself, this trivial mint can support a transaction system, and in > principle a whole economy. For Alice to pay Bob, she gives him coins. > Bob exchanges them at the mint for new coins, thereby checking that they > are good. End of transaction. Bob can spend his new coins elsewhere, > unlinkable to the exchange. This only works if the transaction is complete and final, for example downloading pornography, or for people who meet physically, and exchange physical assets for ecash. If the transaction is for account assets outside the system, then the transaction must have state that looks very like an account, if only a transient account. > The mint does not even have to be involved in transfers between ecash > and other forms of payment. This is one of the things the e-gold people > got right. They outsourced in- and out-transactions. You go to any of > dozens of coin dealers, currency services, shady operators of all stripes, > to get money into or out of your e-gold account. The same thing would > work here. Third parties would offer to buy or sell ecash for dollars, > grams of gold, hi grade cocaine, etc. The value of e-gold is ultimately maintained by physical transfers with a pile of gold inside a vault outside US jurisdiction. It takes a great deal of time and cost to actually transfer stuff to and from that vault, hence the numerous intermediaries. The intermediaries therefore find it convenient to maintain accounts with e-gold. While accounts are not needed for many transactions, and should be avoided where possible, they are convenient for many transactions, and essential for some.
Re: Argentina has decisively entered the road of revolution.
>>Great propaganda piece. Take a revolt against government manipulation of the economy and portray it as the death of capitalism... Kinda gives himself away by describing the fall of Saigon as "foreign invaders fleeing from an army of national liberation." Marc de Piolenc mattd wrote: > > Argentina - The Revolution has Begun > > By Alan Woods Thanks Marc,Its from Indymedia.org,main board.It had some marxist dreck that I edited out.I fear for the anarchists if the leninists simply inherit the torture tables.Its vital more people know how dangerous these authoritarian socialists are. C/punks calling for crypto-anarchy are liable to be burned alive as commies.OR if the fucking MLers actually win,we could be toasted as crypto-fascists.Monkee's on a rock.There could be e-cash/barter opps though,doncha reckon?
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Re: Time to unsubscribe...
For procmail (available on Linux systems; for other
Unix systems download from procmail.org):
1. Use a .forward file to forward to procmail:
Mine looks like this, your might have a different
path:
"|exec /usr/local/bin/procmail"
2. Edit a .procmailrc for procmail to use. It's
not that hard, there are some good docs ("man procmailrc")
Some extracts from mine:
-- start of snippet from .procmailrc
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/local/bin/
MAILDIR=$HOME/mail
DEFAULT=/var/mail/gbnewby
LOGFILE=$MAILDIR/procmail.log
# Backup the last 32 messages (per 'man procmailex')
:0 c
backup
:0 ic
| cd backup && rm -f dummy `ls -t msg.* | sed -e 1,32d`
# Temporary redirects while I'm out of town:
#:0 H
#* cypherpunk
# cypher-unread
# Grep the header for @toad.com; put it in 'toad' mail folder
# This might cut down on cypherpunks spam
:0 H
* @toad.com
spam
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* ^Subject:.*Snowhite
spam
# tcmay's a pain in the ass
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spam
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* ^To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
spam
# Everything else just gets appended to DEFAULT
-- end of snippet
In the above, "spam" is a mail folder (literally, just a file).
So, you can still read the stuff there... if you want to
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This will work fine with any Unix mail program that uses
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3. test, test test!!! You can do much more sophisticated
filtering with procmail, but I find that most of what I want
is to filter the To, From or Subject line based on a
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-- Greg
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:14:51PM -, Dr. Evil wrote:
>
> > >Basically half the posts to this list are incoherent, idiotic rambling
> > >from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ravage@... The few bits of wonderfully
> > >interesting news on this list aren't quite wonderful enough to
> > >motivate me to figure out how to use mail filters. If someone knows
> > >of a filtered version of this list, please let me know.
> >
> > Since you seem to be ignorant msoft user, use made-for-idiots yahoo
> > throwaway and set this in the "block addresses" (under options):
>
> Just for the record, I'm not an ignorant MS user. I'm an ignorant
> user of something else, far more subtle.
>
> [list snipped]
>
> Choate and Mattd seem to be responsible for more than half the
> traffic, and basically none of the value on this list. I think it
> would be almost tolerable without them on it. Ok, time to figure out
> the mysteries of filtering.
Re: Tim May on the end of a rope.
>>mattd: > Ahwell! Still if you want to lump stalinists,trots and > anarchs together The difference between Stalinists and Trots is that the Trots were from the beginning more extreme, more brutal, and more contemptuous of ordinary Russians. The original point of dispute between Stalin and Trotsky was that Trotsky though Stalin was too soft on the kulaks. The moderate faction in Russia were the Zinovievists. No one outside Russia thought himself a Zinovievist, all identifying with the more extreme, not less extreme, factions of Soviet communism.<< Spain,jamesd,I thought we were talking about SPAIN! I know a bit about Trotsky's russian background,the betrayal of Makhno and Krondstadt,Its a huge separate issue.Id like to keep this thread a little focused.You are usually very crisp,cool and concise in your posts.Your making extreme statements here. >>There once upon a time was difference between those you falsely call anarchists, and the commies<< Todays anarchs are easy to find at Ainfos and Infoshop and 100's of minor pages.It might pay anyone calling themselves anarcho-whatever to check them out and compare and contrast information.I trust the natural selection of good ideas. There are major differences with real live anarchists and "commies".Trust me on this.I've attacked N.Klein and N.Chompsky myself for playing footsie with the ISO,degenerate MLers.Lump everyone together and you only fool yourself. >>but after the incompatibility between anarchism and socialism was demonstrated in 1936-1938<< By jamesd,sole expert on spanish anarcho-commie-fascism.Yeah right. >>the difference vanished. Chomsky illustrates this well. Wherever the masters boot smashes repeatedly into the face of a child, we can always rely on Chomsky to find a good word for the master, and demonize the child as a CIA agent. Chomsky defended the Pol Pot regime in Cambodia, the slave labor camps employed to pacify South Vietnam, rationalized the Soviet reinvasion of Czechoslovakia and Hungary as defence against US aggression, and supported Stalin's attacks on Greece. << The truth vanishes when jamesd gets all in a lather.Im not widely read on Chompsky.I recommend his essay "objectivity and liberal scholarship"on Spain and jamesd and whatever else you can find especially Abel Paz,"Durrutti,The People Armed".IF Chompsky did all those other things you accuse him of then he is contemptible but it would not detract at the slightest from his work on Spain.SPAIN,jamesd.SPAIN.SPAIN.SPAIN.Spainful for you?
Re: Big Bang Thought Experiment,
The Big Bang was a fizzle.Like the 1st ashes series of cricket and the first flight by harry Houdini,it happened near Sunbury ,victoria,au.People began a system of barter.Bob would do a few hours work for alice and earn Barter Units of Money at the rate pegged to the dollar.This system grew organically and exponentially to the point where the treasurer,Peter fuckface costello stepped in and ruled that these BUMs (I forget what they where called) would be taxed at the rate of 1 to the dollar. Thus nipping the experiment,that directly threatened the state, in the bud.Since then we have APster so I believe we should try again.Ryan sounds like he might be the "forth man"to do this.I wish him well.Use the force,ryan,the APster force. "No complex system was ever written from scratch. It always started out as a simple system that was patched incrementally. "chairman jamesd.
Re: Time to unsubscribe...
On Tuesday, December 25, 2001, at 02:14 PM, Dr. Evil wrote: >>> Basically half the posts to this list are incoherent, idiotic rambling >>> from [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ravage@... The few bits of wonderfully >>> interesting news on this list aren't quite wonderful enough to >>> motivate me to figure out how to use mail filters. If someone knows >>> of a filtered version of this list, please let me know. >> >> Since you seem to be ignorant msoft user, use made-for-idiots yahoo >> throwaway and set this in the "block addresses" (under options): > > Just for the record, I'm not an ignorant MS user. I'm an ignorant > user of something else, far more subtle. > > [list snipped] > > Choate and Mattd seem to be responsible for more than half the > traffic, and basically none of the value on this list. I think it > would be almost tolerable without them on it. Ok, time to figure out > the mysteries of filtering. > I use two kinds of filtering: 1. Mail filters. For nearly 10 years, I used Eudora and Eudora Pro. Now I am using OS X Mail, but may switch to Entourage (packaged with Microsoft Office). All of these mail filters are incredibly easy to learn to use. (Being that OS X is largely FreeBSD, I'm sure I could use regular expression filtering, but so far, no need.) 2. Eric Murray's lne.com node, which filters out any source not subscribed to the list, basically. Choate and mattd get filtered into the trash by my own filters, though I can see their posts in the garbage if I get bored. (Also, mattd doesn't consistently filter into the trash properly...no idea why. If I manually run the filters, it works.) Filtering mail is a necessity these days. --Tim May "Dogs can't conceive of a group of cats without an alpha cat." --David Honig, on the Cypherpunks list, 2001-11
Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.,
| Anarchism is a variant of socialism > > an7ar7chism (nr-kzm) > n. > > The theory or doctrine that all forms of government are oppressive > and > undesirable and should be abolished. > > Which is self-referential (it basically says that even anarchism will > oppress). << > > Indeed.Especially where delegates are not rotated and revocable.See jamesd > for the dangers anarchism in practise. You don't need James D., all you've got to do is look to your neighbors. In an anarchism what is illegal is whatever you do that irritates your neighbors. Which is about as coersive as it gets, need an example of why CACL doesnt' work, look at the discussion around the 'CDR:' in message titles. If your neighbors are irritated by what your doing,you might examine what your doing.APster describes a way of handling car thieves if you read the essay,assassination politics.Anarchism is the best way to minimize coercion.For the difference between anarchism and CACL see...http://world.std.com/~mhuben/leftlib.html Im hoping some recent threads here might be added to this exellent site soon,real soon.CACL proponents don't even believe their own arguments or they would all go off and try it on an Island somewhere and stop trying to leech off the good name of anarchy.>>look at the discussion around the 'CDR:' in message titles. <
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So far nothing about the Reid incident distinguishes it from a low-level security test. Whether Reid was informed of his role by the operation planners could be questioned. And whether the planners were "terrorists" or the counter- terrorism industry is a fair question. Time magazine says in its December 31 edition: "White House aides tell Time they are envisioning a war against terrorism that could last 50 years. As a model for fashioning a long-term game plan, Bush aides have been looking at old cold-war national-security doucments, such as NSC-68, a plan the Truman Administration drafted in 1950 to contain the Soviets." Terrorism is a godsend for those forever looking for terrifying enemies of the state, family, church. NSC-68: http://www.fas.org/irp/offdocs/nsc-hst/nsc-68.htm Mattd is a guy I'd like at my back in a fight. I wouldn't expect him to climb a tree like a scardy cat to lick his weeping anus.
Re: Big Bang Thought Experiment
On Tuesday, December 25, 2001, at 01:50 PM, Adam Shostack wrote: > Many posts have talked about a both a 'fixed level' of money, and a > commission. I find this odd, especially as there will be no way to > add funds to the system. If you have a commission on every exchange, > the money essentially deflates (there will be less of it tomorow than > there is today, making it more scarce, and thus more valuable.) Thus > it makes > sense to hold onto it, making it illiquid, which is a bad thing for a > currency. Since this is magic money, why not issue more of it now and > again? For all intents and purposes, the total supply of gold has been relatively constant for decades. A fraction of the total is mined and brought to market each year, but only a small fraction of the total. And yet the assay and marking cost (several percent) has not crippled gold. Further, the fee for assaying and marking (melting, minting, stamping gold bars, etc.) is a fee for a service, and goes back into circulation. I expect the operators of a money changing operation would similarly aggregate their 1% or whatever and use the aggregated fee as their compensation for providing a service. Even if the money deflates, so? If it encourages people to hang on to their money, so? (I made most of my money by _not_ spending what I earned.) In any case, let's see how the experiment turns out. Let anyone try any approach they wish, ranging from "the total amount of money is 1" to "I generate 30% more money in the system every year." As I said, I expect multiple tries, multiple experiments. Right now we are more limited by the notion that Some Big Startup has to Get it Right the First Time. --Tim May ""Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." --Patrick Henry
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On Tuesday, December 25, 2001, at 01:38 PM, Adam Shostack wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 12:53:18AM -0600, someone claiming to be Black > Unicorn wrote: > | Not new? Name 5 prominent reputation brokers. Reputation services? > | Reputation clearing agents? What manner of reputation do they > measure? > | Trustworthiness? Identity? Creditworthiness? One? None? All? (I > can > | only think of two, neither of which approach the level of > sophistication you > | propose here). > > Dun and Bradstreet > Standard and Poors > Consumers Union > Visa > Experian > The Food and Drug Administration (interesting because you'll sometimes > see "Approved by the US FDA" on not-for-the-US packaging, but they're > number 6 on my list.) > > Just had to pick that nit. I didn't read far enough into BU's piece to see him asking such a silly question, or I would have also offered S&P and D&B as examples. "Foobarcorp's rating has been lowered from AAA to AA." Like it or not, they are in the business of reputation rating. So is a Notary Public. So is a restaurant reviewer in a newspaper. So are Siskel and Ebert, er, Ebert and That New Guy. So are the kosher meat dudes who stamp "Kosher" on food approved for consumption by Jews. So are the "PC Labs" and other reviewers of new PC hardware. We are swimming in a sea of such reputation services, just as we are swimming in what is basically an anarchic ocean. --Tim May "Ben Franklin warned us that those who would trade liberty for a little bit of temporary security deserve neither. This is the path we are now racing down, with American flags fluttering."-- Tim May, on events following 9/11/2001
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Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.,
On Wed, 26 Dec 2001, mattd wrote: > If your neighbors are irritated by what your doing,you might examine what > your doing. Really? Why? Am I on their property? Using their property? Breaking some sort of public trust? The reality is that people get 'irritated' by the silliest things, two guys (or girls) kissing in public for example. Wanting to burn a flag or a bible. Going to a different church than they do... -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.,
On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:17:30PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > The reality is that people get 'irritated' by the silliest things, two > guys (or girls) kissing in public for example. Wanting to burn a flag or a > bible. Going to a different church than they do... Carrying explosives in your penis :-)
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Re: Tim May;Anarcho-phony,cheap fraud and despicable , coward.RIP.,
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Greg Newby wrote: > On Tue, Dec 25, 2001 at 10:17:30PM -0600, Jim Choate wrote: > > The reality is that people get 'irritated' by the silliest things, two > > guys (or girls) kissing in public for example. Wanting to burn a flag or a > > bible. Going to a different church than they do... > > Carrying explosives in your penis :-) Even having a penis ;) -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Big Bang Thought Experiment
On Tue, 25 Dec 2001, Tim May wrote: > On Tuesday, December 25, 2001, at 01:50 PM, Adam Shostack wrote: > > > Many posts have talked about a both a 'fixed level' of money, and a > > commission. I find this odd, especially as there will be no way to > > add funds to the system. If you have a commission on every exchange, > > the money essentially deflates (there will be less of it tomorow than > > there is today, making it more scarce, and thus more valuable.) Thus > > it makes sense to hold onto it, making it illiquid, which is a bad thing > > for a currency. Since this is magic money, why not issue more of it now > > and again? > > For all intents and purposes, the total supply of gold has been > relatively constant for decades. A fraction of the total is mined and > brought to market each year, but only a small fraction of the total. > > And yet the assay and marking cost (several percent) has not crippled > gold. But gold is, at least for this sort of discussion, illiquid. How many gold coins do you have in your pocket right now? I'll wager asymptotic to nill. > Further, the fee for assaying and marking (melting, minting, stamping > gold bars, etc.) is a fee for a service, and goes back into circulation. Actually the payment for the fee for the assayist and the mint aren't likely to come out of the metal they are processing today. Now if we were talking of a 'frontier' sort of situation then you wouldn't have those fees going back into circulation, at least not immediately. In that case the 'cut' would be collected over some suitable period of time and then sold. Or the assayist could simply take their cut on the upstream broker payment (this assumes of course they have sufficient liquid capital in hand). > I expect the operators of a money changing operation would similarly > aggregate their 1% or whatever and use the aggregated fee as their > compensation for providing a service. But these examples, at least from the perspective of the money changer are dealing with effectively 'unlimited' cash pools to draw from. Your objections to Adams points don't hold. -- Day by day the Penguins are making me lose my mind. Bumper Sticker The Armadillo Group ,::;::-. James Choate Austin, Tx /:'/ ``::>/|/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ssz.com.', `/( e\ 512-451-7087 -~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-
Re: Big Bang Thought Experiment
--
James A. Donald:
> > One could of course have a pile of gold, and physically
> > and in person exchange coins for physical gold
On 25 Dec 2001, at 9:44, Tim May wrote:
> 1. Must money be tied to intrinsic stores of value? I think
> the answer is clearly "No." The U.S. dollar is not in any
> direct way tied to anything except _other dollars_.
> Obviously. True, there are already many things already
> valued in dollars--land, things, houses, loans, taxes,
> salaries--so there is a somewhat circular argument that
> echoes what Danny DeVito said in the recent movie "Heist":
> "Money is money, that's why they call it "money"!"
> (paraphrased)
I fully agree that a server sustaining play money is a good
start, but I see no prospect that e-cash could be introduced
without convertibility.
Cato recently had an article discussing the same matter as
Danny DeVito, at somewhat greater length.
The point that they made was that even if everyone was better
off for adopting some arbitrary form of fiat money as money,
it would not be adopted, because of the critical mass
problem. With all existing examples of fiat money, this
critical mass problem was overcome by first issuing it as
convertible, non fiat money, then later suspending
convertibility.
Suspension of convertibility was accompanied by some other
form of free lance confiscation, in the form of legal tender
laws that guaranteed that debts contracted for silver could
be paid by paper, even though the value of the paper had
fallen well below the value of the silver, with the result
that creditors suffered dramatic losses, and debtors dramatic
gains.
While issue of a purely fiat digital currency without state
backing would be an interesting experiment, such a currency
could never gain value, never become useful as a medium of
exchange.
> Comment: I'm not trying to trivialize the issues. There are
> issues with dealing with double-spending ("first to redeem"
> is a good fix), transfer deadlock (when Alice and Bob
> exchange something for some token...what if one walks away?
> A deadlock issue with real money, as with exchanging
> suitcases of cocaine for suitcases of dollars), and other
> issues.
With an in person transaction, this is not a problem. If
either party defaults, violence will ensue, and the cost of
the violence will greatly exceed the value to be stolen.
E-gold now supports this capability. Since one can now do
e-gold transfer's through one's sprint cell phone, one can
now exchange e-gold for suitcases of cocaine, though because
e-gold is somewhat traceable, one would be unwise to do this.
However the niche market where most people expect the
introduction of digital cash is internet transactions, where
breaking the defaulter's neck is not a viable option.
e-cash will be most useful for sales of information,
especially pornography in its more controversial forms, and
sales of rights over assets that do not involve any
accompanying physical movement of assets.
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