Re: : CDR: Re: AP Al Qaeda

[Jim Choate]

Get your damn quoting right, Declan didn't right the '> >' delimited text
as you indicate.

On Thu, 13 Dec 2001, mattd wrote:

> > So the property you own is really(!) owned by the state and you pay
> > the initial payments for title transfer and the taxes during occupation 
> > (sounds like rent doesn't it?) unless you default in which case they take 
> > their property back... Seems to me the ideal strategy is to not own 
> > anything of significant value.
> 
> "Aint got nothing,got nothing to lose"
> 
> A lot of barristers have gone bankrupt lately,It hasn't cramped their 
> billing style though.This threads veering into socialistic territory,Im 
> telling jamesd!
> Also AP comes out of tax revolt,dont try and separate it out,declan.Start a 
> new thread on property taxes.Im taxing the land
> where the cato institute stands,btw.If I dont get 100,000 k per annum I 
> send in my new OSD black helicopters.


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Re: The fucking essay

[mattd]

 >>Clearly you've NEVER actually talked or read a psych book in the last 50 
years.

David Cooper,rd Laing,Konrad Lorenz,bf,Skinner,Erricson on identity.Dibs in 
search of self.whReich,steinem.
Some of those I read ages ago but I read new scientist regularly and for 
the last 15 years.Freud is as discredited as comprehensively as 
marx.IMHO.Freud invented the sub conscious and marx,surplus value.Yeah 
right.give us a fuggin break
Im not pretending to be expert on anything,Id like to be a sorta 
heinleinian guy.Allrounder,master of none,blah blah,etc,etc.

Im also kinda interested in the psychology of people with flying saucers 
links at their websites,could you help us out?

Slashdot | Free Software And Its Revolutionary Social Implications

[mattd]

 >>Those in the audience that are freethinking and not jingoistic

Jamesd help me out here! This crappy kraut wants to quote MARX! This choate 
guy,when he's not baffling with flying saucer bushit,is a motherfucking 
COMMIESYMP! maybe even a COMMIE! Im not joking,he is clinically insane.

Choate vs mattd [was: RE: The fucking essay]

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> 
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> > Sigh. Choate on court decisions is like Ashcroft on civil liberties.
> > Neither understands them.
> 
> Ad hominim, ad hominim, ad nausium.

Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like

"ad hominem" and "ad nauseam," you ought to learn how they're spelled?

Not knowing how they are spelled sorta makes people think you might not
know what they mean...

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Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

[David Honig]

At 10:39 AM 12/12/01 -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>PS: Not all libertarians believe the "the public responsibilities of
>the press are a myth." It's entirely possible to reconcile that phrase
>with the idea that a newspaper is a for-profit business.
>

I'm afraid the closest I can come is to recognize that a presscorp
(or reporter!) has only its reputation to sell; and when bias is exposed
that is
reduced.  But no 'public' anything; a newspaper (like a web server) does not
need a 'public' license to use a 'public' resource like the EM spectrum or
the cable infrastructure.

Just my 2 picas.

Re: Professor Punished for Witty Remark

[mattd]

 >>Compared to giants like Brookings? Not well-funded, well-known, big, nor 
powerful. Few folks even in DC have heard of it. $1M in grants over a 
period of years is not much by Washington policy group standards. -Declan

Compared to so called "libertarian" institute,Cato,that comps our resident 
bottom feeding scribbler this is low?high?middling?
Right wing conservative 'think tanks' serve a useful purpose for the 
fascist corporate state.Corporations need manufactured
consent as much as Govt.Especially when so many of them are so much bigger 
than many Govts.Ive made several posts
re.the notorious cato institute,the most damaging linking declan through it 
to the murder of george harrison.As I said to
agent faustine,declan,silence speaks volumes in this house.

Re: AP Al Qaeda, the wrath of choate!

[mattd]

Get your damn quoting right, Declan didn't right the '> >' delimited text 
as you indicate.

Get this right dickhead.Im here to annoy  you,declan and any other 
cypherpunk I feel like.Your fancypants,the lotta youse.

(cept peter trei)

Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

[mattd]

"Disgruntled cypherpunk of the Year." me,when I find out this is not about 
an axe attack on tim may

Choates not a poster,he's a spamming menace.How longs he been here?

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Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

[Declan McCullagh]

I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He
properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General
Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html)
between criticism and treason. The craven broadcast media, as
Jonathan says, buckling to government "please-don't-air-this" pressure
is almost as disgraceful.

But a few points:

* Is it appropriate to use the powerful word "censorship" to describe
what happened when the National Review dropped Ann Coulter? Coulter
has other outlets that will publish her work; she is not muzzled. Like
other news organizations with a certain perspective, the National
Review has an implicit contract with their writers that says something
like
our-publication-has-a-distinct-point-of-view-and-we-don't-want-to-run-
stuff-far-outside-of-it. In the absence of evidence to the contrary,
it's reasonable to assume that she understood this implicit agreement
when she signed up. More to the point, she (I recall) took her initial
grievance over not running the column public and slammed the editors,
who then axed her. Using "censorship" to characterize the facts of
this dispute weakens the term for when it's really needed -- to
describe government action that puts people in prison cells.

* Of course it's disturbing when government officials tell Americans
to self-censor. But it is also important to note, lest this vital fact
be lost in the charges of "private censorship," that I can think of no
court action the government has taken to prevent people from speaking
or publishing information about the "war on terror." A quick review of
(http://www.ncac.org/issues/freeex911.html) doesn't show anything.
Obviously phone calls from White House aides can have a chilling
effect, but then again the news organization or ISP can stand firm and
call the government's bluff. (And yes, I'd say this lack of such cases
is due in large part to the actions of civil libertarians like
Jonathan.)

-Declan

PS: Not all libertarians believe the "the public responsibilities of
the press are a myth." It's entirely possible to reconcile that phrase
with the idea that a newspaper is a for-profit business.


On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 02:29:18AM -0500, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Year Zero: Private and self-censorship
> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2001 00:44:34 GMT
> 
> 
> Steganography, My Ass:
> The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime
> by Jonathan Wallace [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> The categories of speech protected by the First Amendment are 
> well-known, and despite the repetitive chatter on Internet mailing 
> lists, are not in serious dispute. Supreme Court decisions 
> interpreting the constitution have made absolutely clear that highly 
> unpalatable political speech, and even words of quite hateful and 
> violent import, have absolute protection (so long as they don't fall 
> into the very narrow pigeonhole of threats conveying an immediate 
> fear of violence to a specific individual). We can argue about what 
> the First Amendment ought to protect, debate whether and how to 
> change the Constitution. But there can be no serious discussion today 
> of whether, for example, web pages calling for Jihad or approving the 
> destruction of the World Trade Center and the murder of Americans, 
> are protected by the First Amendment. They indisputably are.
> 
> Justice Holmes, creator of the operative metaphor for U.S. speech 
> freedoms, the "marketplace of ideas", made clear in a famous dissent 
> that the First Amendment's sweep reaches the most offensive political 
> speech imaginable:
> 
> 
> "If in the long run, the beliefs expressed in proletarian 
> dictatorship are destined to be accepted by the dominant forces of 
> the community, the only meaning of free speech is that they should be 
> given their chance and have their way."
> 
> Yet pages approving violence and terrorism against the U.S. were 
> pulled from numerous U.S.-based servers soon after September 11, 
> without any recourse for the people maintaining them. The reason that 
> there was no constitutional violation was that (as Internet debaters 
> sometimes forget) the First Amendment only protects us against 
> government interventions in speech. It doesn't protect us against 
> each other.
> 
> Purveyors of free web space such as Geocities and Tripod have "Terms 
> of Service" (TOS) contracts that users must accept which give the 
> companies broad discretion to reject and close web sites for their 
> presentation of constitutionally-protected but politically 
> unpalatable speech. TOS violations were probably the single most 
> important justification for the acts of commercial censorship which 
> occurred this fall.
> 
> However, another more widespread but even less visible force at work 
> chilling speech was the fear of job or social consequences of 
> expression of unpopular ideas. In the first flush of

Re: : CDR: Re: AP Al Qaeda

[Declan McCullagh]

Something on which Jim Choate and I can agree. :) --Declan

On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:31:21AM -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> Get your damn quoting right, Declan didn't right the '> >' delimited text
> as you indicate.
> 

Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

[Declan McCullagh]

Choate misunderstands journalism. When writing about an appeals court 
decision, it's generally not appropriate to cite the ravings of Net.wackos
in an obscure newsgroup or mailing list a decade ago. Choate shows
again he's not merely a Net.wacko; he's a Net.loon.

Heck, I didn't even cite a Harvard Law Review article specifically
on this case -- wasn't necessary. 

It may be that Choate has said spam is trespass. But I'm not sure why
anyone could care.

-Declan


On Wed, Dec 12, 2001 at 07:28:42AM -0600, Jim Choate wrote:
> Who again has been saying for 10+ years that this sort of behaviour (incl.
> Open Relay scanning, which isn't covered here) is trespass? Check the
> archives folks...will Declan give predictive credit where credit is due?
> Probably not, that takes being honest...
> 
> http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,49031,00.html
> 
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Re: UPI editor: dissent is like soviet propoganda

[jamesd]

--
On 12 Dec 2001, at 1:16, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> Of course there are other considerations in a settlement,
> such as avoiding bad publicity -- even if you think you
> might win a case by arguing you made a mistake but it was
> not malicious.

Just google through the Tailwind debate.  The CNN supporters
said that the tape contained clear admissions of war crimes,
which of course it did.  I just quoted one such seemingly
clear, unambiguous admission of enormous war crimes at the
start of this thread.

The interviewees denied saying what the tape showed them to
be saying.  Then, under great pressure, CNN released the
transcript.

 The CNN opponents pointed out that the transcript of  the
 material that was edited into the tape did not contain these
 admissions.

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cryptographic fantasy (ca. "Stego, my ass" by WF Buckley)

[Dirk Boxcuttah]

The notion that Osama would use a filmed interview to
send out recondite commands is cryptographic fantasy.

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OSAMA THE INVINCIBLE
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ucwb/20011211/cm/osama_the_invincible_1.html

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

[mattd]

 >>"the public responsibilities of >the press are a myth." It's entirely 
possible to reconcile that phrase >with the idea that a newspaper is a 
for-profit business.

Especially if your a two headed dog.I cant believe the crap assfluff,cheney 
and the drongo are putting over you people.
They tell you to fly ,fly, fly then warn you next day were all going to 
die,die,die.Of course its all a lie,lie,lie.
Assfluffs a stumbling peccary about to fall into the piranha pool.You can 
fool some people...
The lies about technology and the net remind me of wermacht soldiers at 
stalingrad giving a massive salute while saying
'the shit in berlin is up to HERE!"

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

[jamesd]

--
On 12 Dec 2001, at 10:39, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> * Is it appropriate to use the powerful word "censorship"
> to describe what happened when the National Review dropped
> Ann Coulter? Coulter has other outlets that will publish
> her work; she is not muzzled. Like other news organizations
> with a certain perspective, the National Review has an
> implicit contract with their writers that says something 
> like 
> our-publication-has-a-distinct-point-of-view-and-we-don't-w
> ant-to-run- stuff-far-outside-of-it. In the absence of
> evidence to the contrary, it's reasonable to assume that
> she understood this implicit agreement when she signed up.
> More to the point, she (I recall) took her initial 
> grievance over not running the column public and slammed
> the editors, who then axed her. Using "censorship" to
> characterize the facts of this dispute weakens the term for
> when it's really needed -- to describe government action
> that puts people in prison cells.

There has been far more concern about opponents of the war
being intimidated than supporters.  Yet the nearest thing to
real censorship happened to Ann Coulter, for calling for holy
war against Muslims.  Meanwhile college professors loudly
complain that the occupants of the trade towers had it coming
to them for imperialism, colonialism, and oppression, and
keep their jobs, and a comic strip spits on the flag, and is
not dropped.

What happened to Ann Coulter is not censorship, but it is lot
closer to censorship than the fact that the tenured
supporters of terror find themselves mentioned as tenured
supporters of terror. 

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Re: cryptographic fantasy (ca. "Stego, my ass" by WF Buckley)

[Michael Motyka]

> The notion that Osama would use a filmed interview to
> send out recondite commands is cryptographic fantasy.
>
> William F. Buckley Jr.
> OSAMA THE INVINCIBLE
>
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ucwb/20011211/cm/osama_the_invincible_1.html

>
OK piece. I usually write off Buckley as a pompous ass. I wish we would
hear more skepticism about GWB and Ashcroft and their domestic
treasonous idiocy.

As far as his assertion about the popularity of UBL in the Philippines :
sounds like a stretcher to me - Muslims are only strong in the extreme
south e.g. Mindanao. Most of the population is pretty strict Catholic.
There may be some resentment of the US but I think overall there is a
hunger for all things US : education, media, goods, travel and trade.

The older folks definitely still remember the Japanese.

Mike

Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship

[Nomen Nescio]

Declan McCullagh writes:
> I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He
> properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General
> Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html)
> between criticism and treason.

What Ashcroft actually said, from the URL above, was:

> We need honest, reasoned debate; not fearmongering. To those who
> pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens;
> to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty;
> my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode
> our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to
> America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people
> of good will to remain silent in the face of evil.

The simple fact is that Ashcroft spoke the truth.  Such criticisms
do erode national unity and diminish resolve.  In fact, most critics
would fully agree with these goals.  Unity and resolve on a national
level scare civil libertarians.  A unified nation is a rash nation.
Democracies should be thoughtful, their actions carefully considered
and taken only after due deliberation.  Having a thousand voices urging
different courses is far safer than a single voice which all obey.

Some claim that behind the truth of Ashcroft's words is a veiled threat.
Aiding national enemies is indeed one of the definitions of treason.
Yet in the larger sense such a reading is plainly absurd.  No Attorney
General would ever attempt to make the case that criticising government
policy is treasonous and should be forbidden.  Hard as it may be for
the present audience, blinded by their ideology, to see the real world
for what it is, any such attempt would be political suicide.

Given this reality, there is clearly no real threat in Ashcroft's
statement.  Instead the critics are intentionally misreading him in
order to accomplish exactly those goals he mentions: to sow disunity
and weaken resolve.  It is nothing more than a rhetorical trick.

Let us hold to the truth.  Ashcroft is right in his characterization of
his critics' goals, and his critics are right to try to achieve those
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Re: FW: FreeSWAN Release 1.93 ships!

[Steve Mynott]

"Lucky Green" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> FreeS/WAN occupies a position very rarely found in efficient markets,
> such as open source software. While the position is rarely encountered,
> it can nonetheless exist: I believe that FreeS/WAN is a natural
> monopoly.


My impression from the show of hand at the HAL2001 FreeS/WAN session
was that OpenBSD's IPSEC was being used rather more than FreeS/WAN.

-- 
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don't anthropomorphize computers; they don't like it.

Re: [Remops] And when he returns in February? (fwd)

[A. Melon]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Eugene Leitl wrote:

> More drama unfolds.
>
> -- Eugen* Leitl http://leitl.org";>leitl
> __
> ICBMTO: N48 04'14.8'' E11 36'41.2'' http://www.leitl.org
> 57F9CFD3: ED90 0433 EB74 E4A9 537F CFF5 86E7 629B 57F9 CFD3
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> -- Forwarded message --

[...]

Why are you propagating this nonsense? You're turning into the new Choate,
the new Hettinga, the new troll zoo-keeper. People interested in remailers
are already on those lists, and I guarantee you that they aren't
interested in that drama. It isn't anything new. If you've been around
more than a few weeks on alt.security.anon-server, you know about it. The
only "unfolding" is that it has finally bleed over onto the remops list --
and now, thanks to you, the cypherpunks list.

Ninny.

Re: [Remops] And when he returns in February? (fwd)

[Eugene Leitl]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, A. Melon wrote:

> Ninny.

Got no taste of online soap?

Nomen nescio,my ass.

[mattd]

 >>. No Attorney General would ever attempt to make the case that 
criticising government policy is treasonous and should be forbidden.
Nomen again,sheesh.

Read my lips.KILL THE PRESIDENT. Now lets turn to assflufs absolute support 
of the "right to life". Except,the odd lethal injection. HELLO!

 >>. critics should attack his position that national unity and resolve 
must be preserved.

OK.Ill attack his position.Ill pay 100 us $ toward the asscroft to 
arlington sleigh ride.FUCK that walking 'naked lunch' typewriter.He is way 
over his head and theres blood in the water,ask declan.You really are a 
numbnuts nomen.
Tim should tear your soul apart.

Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

[Arnold G. Reinhold]

You make a good argument for dropping the non_U.S. only restriction. 
The risk may be worth the benefits of kernel integration.  That could 
result in wider corporate use of IPSec to fight real security threats 
and make it much more difficult, politically, to suppress.

My point was just that one cannot rely on the U.S. courts striking 
down any future crypto regulations. They should and I hope they 
would, but it not a sure thing. The most recent ruling is not 
favorable. I also wouldn't underestimate the U.S. government's 
ability to stifle crypto development if they choose to do so and get 
a green light from the courts.  Note today's Warez crackdown.

Maybe there is some compromise possible where a core crypto library 
is kept free of U.S. contributions?

Arnold Reinhold


At 10:27 AM -0800 12/11/01, Dima Holodovich wrote:
>On Tuesday 11 December 2001 06:29 am, Arnold G. Reinhold wrote:
>>
>> Having a body of open source crypto software that is not entangled by
>> any U.S. input is not a foolish idea.
>
>Not when the body of software is critical for Linux and the
>widespread use of IPSec.  If you want widespread adoption
>of IPSec in Linux, it needs to be in Linus' kernel.  In order
>for this to happen, it is necessary for Linus and other people
>physically located in the United States need to be able to
>to contribute.  Once Freeswan is in Linus' kernel, it will
>receive greater contribution and testing from both *inside*
>AND *outside* the United States.
>
>IMO:  The current Freeswan policy *encourages* law makers to
>change the laws.  Many companies have an invested interest
>in Linux.  Those companies are willing to spend lots of
>money on lawyers to protect Linux.  If IPSec is not part of
>Linux and is not in widespread Linux use, those companies
>will not have the need to defend us.  We'll have kept crypto
>out of the hands of the people all on our own -- without
>the government's help.
>
>Do you really think that great programs like GNU Privacy
>Guard are going to magically disappear if the US government
>changes their regulations?  Can they magically be erased
>from the net, just because some US contributions were
>made?
>
>- Dima
>
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phantoms and rhetoric ( was : CDR: Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship )

[Michael Motyka]

Nomen Nescio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>Declan McCullagh writes:
>> I always enjoy Jonathan's essays, and this one is no exception. He
>> properly points out the disturbing analogy that Attorney General
>> Ashcroft seems to make (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02900.html)
>> between criticism and treason.
>
>What Ashcroft actually said, from the URL above, was:
>
>> We need honest, reasoned debate; not fearmongering. To those who
>> pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens;
>> to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty;

>> my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists - for they erode

>> our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to
>> America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage
>> people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil.
>
>The simple fact is that Ashcroft spoke the truth.  Such criticisms
>do erode national unity and diminish resolve.  In fact, most critics
>would fully agree with these goals.  Unity and resolve on a national
>level scare civil libertarians.  A unified nation is a rash nation.
>Democracies should be thoughtful, their actions carefully considered
>and taken only after due deliberation.  Having a thousand voices urging

>different courses is far safer than a single voice which all obey.
>
>Some claim that behind the truth of Ashcroft's words is a veiled
> threat.
>Aiding national enemies is indeed one of the definitions of treason.
>Yet in the larger sense such a reading is plainly absurd.  No Attorney
>General would ever attempt to make the case that criticising government

>policy is treasonous and should be forbidden.  Hard as it may be for
>the present audience, blinded by their ideology, to see the real world
>for what it is, any such attempt would be political suicide.
>
>Given this reality, there is clearly no real threat in Ashcroft's
>statement.  Instead the critics are intentionally misreading him in
>order to accomplish exactly those goals he mentions: to sow disunity
>and weaken resolve.  It is nothing more than a rhetorical trick.
>
>Let us hold to the truth.  Ashcroft is right in his characterization of

>his critics' goals, and his critics are right to try to achieve those
>goals.  It is misguided to attack Ashcroft by making the false claim
>that he views criticism as treason.  Instead, critics should attack his

>position that national unity and resolve must be preserved.  This would

>be a substantive debate which would enlighten the American public and
>raise awareness of important issues.  Unfortunately the critics have
>descended into politically motivated mud-slinging and have deprived
>Americans of a valuable opportunity.
>
The recent advances in law enforcement made by a frightened ( for their
asses and their careers ) Congress are not phantoms of lost liberty :
substantial changes have been made. Ashcroft expresses his opinion that
questioning the civil liberties implications of those policy changes is
an attempt to "erode our national unity and diminish our resolve" as if
it is a truth. He mischaracterizes the goals of his critics so that he
can associate them with an extremely unpopular position. The technique
being employed by John Ashcroft is to fallaciously polarize the
discussion as one of Patriotism vs. Treason, Good vs. Evil with the
intent of suppressing the speech of anyone who might be an impediment to

his agenda. Ashcroft's approach smacks of the techniques used by the
late and not-at-all-great may he rest screaming forever in flames
Senator Joseph McCarthy. That is Ashcroft's rhetorical trick.

Nomen's trick is to mischaracterize what people object to in what
Ashcroft has said. I don't for a minute think that there is, today at
least, even a veiled threat that those who openly criticize Bush and
Ashcroft are likely to be accused of treason. Nomen has set up an easily

torched strawman which he uses to say see, Ashcroft's critics are
clearly wrong, so they're probably wrong about the administration.

I'm not buying Ashcroft's tricks or Nomen's. I'll stick with the simple
interpretation of the motivations and goals of those who question the
actions of the Bush administration : some people see those actions of
the Bush administration and John Ashcroft as Constitutionally
questionable and their goal is to debate the issues and protect, in so
far as it is possible given the state of the populace, everyone's
liberties from enemies both foreign and domestic. Unity and resolve
don't enter into it.

Sometimes I think that people feel that because shameful or horrific
events in our history happened so very long ago and we seem to have
survived them that we must have some type of increasing immunity
conferred upon us by the passing of time. I'm afraid that quite the
opposite is true, that our immunity diminishes with time leaving us open

to reinfection by the ideological descendents of the perpetrators of
earlier outrages.

Can an Attorne

Re: CNN.com on Remailers

[Faustine]

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Meyer wrote:

>"So far, U.S. and European authorities battling terrorism and cybercrime
>have apparently focused their surveillance elsewhere. The FBI and the
>National Security Agency, which monitors international telecommunications,
>declined to comment on what strategy, if any, they have for dealing with
>remailers."
>That would have made the article much more interesting..
>What *is* the FBI/etc.'s strategy on dealing with remailers, other than
>ignoring them (and hoping that anti-spam/anti-terror legislation will make
>them illegal?)

I don't know, how about traffic analysis? Exploiting (publicly) undisclosed
holes in the remailer software? Exploiting (publicly) undisclosed holes in PGP?
That certainly seems like a fruitful place to dump research money.

Good old-fashioned deception isn't exactly rocket science, either. How about
suckering people into routing traffic through an ever-increasing number of
corrupt nodes, either by: 1) running them covertly 2) buying off "trusted
pillars of the crypto community" and trading on their reputation capital? A
sobering thought.

Or how about this one: enticing people interested in developing cryptography
into an closed system based in Canada (international, so using full-blown 
Echelon technology against it isn't a problem) offering "secure" messaging, file
storage, sharing and transmission etc. while promising them the moon about
being a no-compromise information-haven phuck-the-state all-your-eggs-in-one
- -basket crypto system?

Oh wait, it's called CryptoHeaven. Nevermind. 

Not that I'm claiming the first thing about them--it's just that if I were
trying to come up with a way to gather information on people interested in
developing privacy and cryptography technology, setting up a compromised
CryptoHeaven-like system on behalf of the United States Government would be
IDEAL. Or at the very least,inserting some bad actors into the system to root
up the vulnerabilities couldn't hurt. Not to mention cultivating "trusted
insider" informants.  

At any rate, any company that lays on the "trust us!!" razzamatazz that thick
makes me nervous. The fact that you it gives you zero opportunity for
compartmentalization ought to be a red flag. Bad OPSEC makes for shitty
tradecraft.

I just can't say this enough: one of the drawbacks of viewing all feds as 
donut-chomping incompetents is that it fosters a false sense of complacency.
Underestimating your adversary never did anyone a bit of good. Something to
think about, anyway.

~Faustine.



***

As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppressionThere 
is a twilight when everything remains seemingly unchanged. And it is in 
such a twilight that we must be most aware of change in the air 
however slight lest we become unwitting victims of the darkness.

- --William O. Douglas, Associate Justice, US Supreme Court

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FYI: "What the Heck is OPSEC?"

[Faustine]

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What the Heck is OPSEC?
prepared by Zhi Hamby, Executive Director, OPS
http://www.opsec.org/who/who02.htm
- 

In a nutshell, OPSEC is a process that teaches you to examine your day-to-day
activities from an adversary's point of view, to understand what an adversary
can learn about you and/or your organization from these activities
(observables), 

to assess the amount of risk this places on you and/or your organization, and
then to develop and apply countermeasures so that the bad guys don't win. 

Thus, the goal of OPSEC is to control information and observable actions about
your capabilities and intentions in order to keep them from being used by your
adversary.

OPSEC works best when incorporated in the planning stages of any project -
don't try to close the barn door after the cow has followed the bull to the
pasture! To be successful, the integration of OPSEC into plans and projects
should be done by the folks who are the most familiar with the particular plan
or project. Those are the people who can best identify the plan's or project's
critical information (i.e. information that either makes or breaks the project).

OPSEC analysis focuses mainly on open sources information and actions (i.e.
unclassified or uncontrolled). The scary word here is "uncontrolled". The very
fact that the information and activities are open source make the
implementation of a good OPSEC plan much more challenging.

Okay, let's take a look at the OPSEC Process
http://www.opsec.org/who/who03.htm




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The right to be let alone is indeed the beginning of all freedoms.
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Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, F. Marc de Piolenc wrote:

> Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like
> 
> "ad hominem" and "ad nauseam," you ought to learn how they're spelled?
> 
> Not knowing how they are spelled sorta makes people think you might not
> know what they mean...

If your only bitch is spelling then the argument must be pretty sound.

(Oh yeah, bitching about the spelling instead of the argument is an ad
hominim as well)


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Re: Axed Intel Man Loses E-Mail Case

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> Choate misunderstands journalism. 

Not at all, journalism is the act of interacting with others about their
actions and beliefs in the hope that you can spin doctor the reality into
something people will find enteraining and hence pay money for.

It's a great job for those who can't teach.


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Re: CDR: Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship in Wartime

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> * Is it appropriate to use the powerful word "censorship" to describe
> what happened when the National Review dropped Ann Coulter?

No, she was using THEIR property and services.

> Review has an implicit contract with their writers that says something
> like
> our-publication-has-a-distinct-point-of-view-and-we-don't-want-to-run-
> stuff-far-outside-of-it. In the absence of evidence to the contrary,
> it's reasonable to assume that she understood this implicit agreement
> when she signed up.

I hope you mean explicit, otherwise you ain't got a leg to stand on -
zero 'meeting of minds'.

> this dispute weakens the term for when it's really needed -- to
> describe government action that puts people in prison cells.

Censorship is not strictly limited to government...

Censor -

Official who examines anything to be read, heard, or viewed, in order to
suppress some objectionable feature on moral, political, or military
grounds.

Note it does NOT require government membership to be an official.

> * Of course it's disturbing when government officials tell Americans
> to self-censor. 

Everybody self-sensors, all day, every day. Nothing wrong with it since
the individual is the ONLY agent with the authority to decide
applicability or acceptability.


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Re: CNN.com on Remailers

[Jim Choate]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Faustine wrote:

> Underestimating your adversary never did anyone a bit of good.

Sure it does, it helps the ones who are underestimated.


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[Jim Choate]

Heads up folks

http://www.dallasnews.com/texas_southwest/ap/stories/AP_STATE_0069.html

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Re: CNN.com on Remailers

[Meyer Wolfsheim]

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On Tue, 11 Dec 2001, Tim May wrote:

> The article was not completely silent on speculations about FBI/LEA
> efforts: Magic Lantern was mentioned as a way to get the keys.

His example was pretty far-fetched, though. Getting all the ISPs to log
all their mail so that all remailer users could be identified would be
quite a feat, and then compromising all of them with Magic Lantern would
be rather difficult as well.

Magic Lantern works if you have a meat-space suspect in mind. If all you
have to go on is an anonymous email, it won't help much, unless it were
designed to target the remailers themselves (bringing us to your next
point).

> I'd guess that remops are likely targets for future "sneak and peek"
> black bag jobs. Warrants are no longer needed, say the criminals in D.C.
> (though the Constitution differs).

According to current laws? I admit I haven't read Patriot all the way
through, but it seems to me that an LEA would still need a warrant to
black bag a remailer, if the operator wasn't under suspicion of being a
terrorist. (Not that I would expect such warrants to be denied, nor would
I be surprised if Son of Patriot permitted warrantless sneak and peek jobs
on service providers.)

> Packet sniffers are another approach. Remember that we have Shimomura's
> own words that he was working on such sniffers for various intelligence
> agencie back during the Mitnick affair.

Yes, and we see them now with Carnivore, etc.

> Correlation analysis remains promising. Messages go in, messages leave.
> Without sufficient traffic to get the N^M entropy, imagine what
> sophisticate statistical analysis does to establish probable mappings.
>
> As we (again) discussed at this past Saturday's physical meeting, in
> Santa Cruz, a sparse set of users and messages is almost a toy system.
> Remailer traffic needs to go up by a large factor, whether actual
> messages or dummy messages. Remailers need to be more robust (uptime,
> strong policies)  and need to be incentivized (paid remailers, an old
> topic).

I agree completely.

I suppose the question lingering in the back of my mind is "how hard would
it be for the FBI to create such a monitoring system?"

Correlation analysis can't offer much after the fact for a one-time
communication through a remailer. The system would need to be in place
and collecting data prior to the message being sent.

I suppose it wouldn't be too difficult to deploy something along those
lines, though, in US-friendly countries at least. Place a sniffer directly
upstream of each remailer (at most 50?) and you'll know the real headers
for the accounts each and every remailer user sends mail from. That's
within the FBI's ability, I think. Then the problem of what to do with the
remailers in countries where getting Carnivore or similar installed
wouldn't be so easy. Sniffers on the US border routers probably isn't
practical.

How much of an increase in dummy-messages could the remailer network
withstand? I'm trying to think of interesting ways to create more
widespread dummy traffic coming from many different origins, but that
could get out of hand rather quickly.


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Re: CNN.com on Remailers

[Meyer Wolfsheim]

On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Faustine wrote:

> I don't know, how about traffic analysis?

Yes, but see my previous post.

> Exploiting (publicly) undisclosed holes in the remailer software?

Same problem as traffic analysis if you are talking about compromising the
remailer. Doesn't work after the fact. (Plus, the risk of detection is
certainly non-zero.)

If you're talking about exploiting flaws in the remailer message
encryption or in the mix-net protocol, that would work, but also would
rely upon having remailer traffic be intercepted and collected for later
analysis.

> Good old-fashioned deception isn't exactly rocket science, either. How about
> suckering people into routing traffic through an ever-increasing number of
> corrupt nodes, either by: 1) running them covertly 2) buying off "trusted

Stats manipulation has been discussed before. (LEAs run remailers, and
then ensure that their remailers are at the top of the stats pages, either
by falsifying stats or causing legitimate remailers to sink lower on the
stats then LEA remailers.)

Another half-decent attack if planned in advance.

> pillars of the crypto community" and trading on their reputation
> capital? A sobering thought.

I'm not skeptical as to how effective that would be. Look at all the times
that Phil Zimmermann has been accused of being in bed with the Government.
I'm not sure there are any "trusted pillars of the crypto community".

> Or how about this one: enticing people interested in developing
> cryptography into an closed system based in Canada (international, so
> using full-blown Echelon technology against it isn't a problem)

Except for the pesky fact that the NSA can't spy on US citizens, even if
they're in Canada. (Exceptions can be made, but the hoops become higher
and more numerous than a simple FBI investigation.)

> offering "secure" messaging, file storage, sharing and transmission
> etc. while promising them the moon about being a no-compromise
> information-haven phuck-the-state all-your-eggs-in-one -basket crypto
> system?
>
> Oh wait, it's called CryptoHeaven. Nevermind.

Yes, well. My thoughts on CryptoHeaven are already on the record on this
list.

> Not that I'm claiming the first thing about them--it's just that if I were
> trying to come up with a way to gather information on people interested in
> developing privacy and cryptography technology, setting up a compromised
> CryptoHeaven-like system on behalf of the United States Government would be
> IDEAL. Or at the very least,inserting some bad actors into the system to root
> up the vulnerabilities couldn't hurt. Not to mention cultivating "trusted
> insider" informants.

Smells like entrapment, though.


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[Eric Cordian]

Gosh - doesn't anyone like the United States anymore?  Give the fuckers
$3 billion a year in aid, and they elect a war criminal as their Prime
Minister and pull shit like this.

-

LOS ANGELES (AP) -- The chairman of the militant Jewish Defense League and
a follower have been arrested on suspicion of plotting to blow up a Los
Angeles mosque and the office of an Arab-American congressman, federal
authorities said today. Irv Rubin, 56, and a member of the group, Earl
Krugel, 59, both of Los Angeles, were arrested last night after the last
component of the bomb -- explosive powder -- was delivered to Krugel's
home, U.S. Attorney John S. Gordon said. Authorities said the two planned
to bomb the King Fahd Mosque in Culver City and the office of freshman
Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif.

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Re: CDR: Re: FreeSWAN & US export controls

[F. Marc de Piolenc]

Jim Choate wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 12 Dec 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> > Sigh. Choate on court decisions is like Ashcroft on civil liberties.
> > Neither understands them.
> 
> Ad hominim, ad hominim, ad nausium.

Gee - don't you think that if you're going to use hifalutin terms like

"ad hominem" and "ad nauseam," you ought to learn how they're spelled?

Not knowing how they are spelled sorta makes people think you might not
know what they mean...

Marc de Piolenc

CNN.com - Army confirms anthrax production in Utah - December 12, 2001

[Jim Choate]

You reap what you sow...

http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/12/12/army.anthrax/index.html

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Re: Steganography, My Ass: The Dangers of Private and Self-Censorship

[Greg Broiles]

At 08:20 PM 12/12/2001 +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote recently -

>Some claim that behind the truth of Ashcroft's words is a veiled threat.
>Aiding national enemies is indeed one of the definitions of treason.
>Yet in the larger sense such a reading is plainly absurd.  No Attorney
>General would ever attempt to make the case that criticising government
>policy is treasonous and should be forbidden.

.. but s/he is apparently unfamiliar with the events described in

_United States v. Schenck_ 249 US 47 (1919);
_United States v. Debs_ 249 US 211 (1919);
_Abrams v. US_ 250 US 616 (1919);
and _United States v. Pierce_ 252 US 239 (1920);

all of which are US Supreme Court cases upholding convictions of people for 
the crime of criticizing existing government policy and/or urging 
noncooperation with war-related activity. There were approximately 2000 
prosecutions and 1000 convictions for violations of the speech-related 
Espionage and Sedition acts during World War I.

Nomen quoted Ashcroft as saying "We need honest, reasoned debate; not 
fearmongering" - but Nomen and Ashcroft's call for debate which occurs 
after decisions are made and people are jailed, not before, puts them 
firmly in Beyond the Looking Glass territory, to wit -

>`It's a poor sort of memory that only works backwards,' the Queen remarked.
>
>`What sort of things do YOU remember best?' Alice ventured to ask.
>
>`Oh, things that happened the week after next,' the Queen replied in a 
>careless tone. `For instance, now,' she went on, sticking a large piece of 
>plaster [band-aid] on her finger as she spoke, `there's the King's 
>Messenger. He's in prison now, being punished: and the trial doesn't even 
>begin till next Wednesday: and of course the crime comes last of all.'
>
>`Suppose he never commits the crime?' said Alice.
>
>`That would be all the better, wouldn't it?' the Queen said, as she bound 
>the plaster round her finger with a bit of ribbon. Alice felt there was no 
>denying THAT.
>
>`Of course it would be all the better,' she said: `but it wouldn't be all 
>the better his being punished.'
>
>`You're wrong THERE, at any rate,' said the Queen: `were YOU ever punished?'
>
>`Only for faults,' said Alice.
>
>`And you were all the better for it, I know!' the Queen said triumphantly.
>
>`Yes, but then I HAD done the things I was punished for,' said Alice: 
>`that makes all the difference.'
>
>`But if you HADN'T done them,' the Queen said, `that would have been 
>better still; better, and better, and better!' Her voice went higher with 
>each `better,' till it got quite to a squeak at last.

sound familiar?


--
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Eliminate due process, civil rights? It's the Constitution, stupid!

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Re: AP Al Qaeda

[gabriel rosenkoetter]

On Mon, Dec 10, 2001 at 09:50:24PM +0100, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> > Just keep in mind that AP is a joke among knowledgeable
> > technologists for its unworkability, but a wonderful joke
> > on those who believe it's anything more than a taunt.
> Total bullshit again.  Sure, AP requires anonymous digital cash, but so do
> most other elements of the cypherpunk vision.

No, no. AP is funny because it's impracticeable. One does not find an
assassin exclusively by tracing who paid him to kill. One can (and
often does) find him because he makes a mistake in the act of
commiting the crime. Which, if I'm reading my history right, is
what's hampered the noisy proponents of AP up to this point already.

The point is that Bell's theory does a really good job of sorting out
the business end of assassination, but it does nothing for actually
teaching people how to kill. More importantly, it doesn't teach
people how to avoid getting caught.

Killing one person, especially a public official, pisses a whole
bunch of people off. Those people have a tendency to come find
their buddy's killer.

No kind of real or threatened assassination can weaken a government
in which a majority of the governed people believe. It can only make
it seem more righteous and be more strong.

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RE: "What the Heck is OPSEC?"

[Lucky Green]

As a member of the OPSEC Professionals Society (OPS)
, I would encourage any Cypherpunk interested in
operational security to make use of the wealth of information and
training material that can be ordered from the US Interagency OPSEC
Support Staff website at http://www.ioss.gov/

I highly recommend the D*I*C*E Man's OPSEC training videos. I haven't
yet seen this year's video, but last year's video (mostly dealing with
the Chinese thread) was pretty much on target. The interactive CDROM's
aren't too bad, either. Any or all of which can be yours "free of
charge", courtesy of the DOE, NSA, and your tax dollars.

The daily ZGRAM intelligence briefing OPS members receive are downright
priceless. Easily worth the $40/year membership fee. Not to mention that
as an OPS member you qualify to join the Pentagon Credit Union (yes,
that Pentagon). Which offers nifty VISA cards.

--Lucky

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Faustine
> Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:54 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: FYI: "What the Heck is OPSEC?"
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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> 
> What the Heck is OPSEC?
> prepared by Zhi Hamby, Executive Director, OPS 
> http://www.opsec.org/who/who02.htm
> - 
> --
> --
> 
> In a nutshell, OPSEC is a process that teaches you to examine 
> your day-to-day activities from an adversary's point of view, 
> to understand what an adversary can learn about you and/or 
> your organization from these activities (observables), 
> 
> to assess the amount of risk this places on you and/or your 
> organization, and then to develop and apply countermeasures 
> so that the bad guys don't win. 
> 
> Thus, the goal of OPSEC is to control information and 
> observable actions about your capabilities and intentions in 
> order to keep them from being used by your adversary.
> 
> OPSEC works best when incorporated in the planning stages of 
> any project - don't try to close the barn door after the cow 
> has followed the bull to the pasture! To be successful, the 
> integration of OPSEC into plans and projects should be done 
> by the folks who are the most familiar with the particular 
> plan or project. Those are the people who can best identify 
> the plan's or project's critical information (i.e. 
> information that either makes or breaks the project).
> 
> OPSEC analysis focuses mainly on open sources information and 
> actions (i.e. unclassified or uncontrolled). The scary word 
> here is "uncontrolled". The very fact that the information 
> and activities are open source make the implementation of a 
> good OPSEC plan much more challenging.
> 
> Okay, let's take a look at the OPSEC Process 
http://www.opsec.org/who/who03.htm




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RE: Slashdot | Google Expands Usenet Archive to 20 Years

[Bill Stewart]

At 11:07 AM 12/11/2001 -0500, Trei, Peter wrote:
> > From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > http://slashdot.org/articles/01/12/11/0727218.shtml
>
>It's nostalgic to see all the bang!path addresses and .arpa hosts.

I was surprised that among their lists for first this and that
they didn't list the first use of a .com, .net, or .edu address on Usenet.

There were lots of @-style addresses even in the first few months
(viz. the TCP-IP-Digest article), but they were pre-DNS person@machine formats,
where the machine names were relative to the sender's hosts [.txt] file
and were therefore not in theory globally unique names, though in practice
they usually were.