FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread John Young

Anybody have information about this FBI operation,
which siphoned about 1/5 of Cryptome this AM:

IP address: 65.207.53.168

MAS (NETBLK-UU-65-207-53)
935 Pennsylvania Ave NW
Washington, DC 20535
US

Netname: UU-65-207-53
Netblock: 65.207.53.0 - 65.207.53.255

Coordinator:
   Dastur, Brian  (BD680-ARIN)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   202-324-6124

Record last updated on 17-Aug-2001.
Database last updated on 31-Oct-2001 02:58:21 EDT.

The siphon drained the site non-stop from 4:01 AM to 4:23 AM EST.




Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread Gabriel Rocha

On Wed, Oct 31, at 06:52AM, John Young wrote:
| Anybody have information about this FBI operation,
| which siphoned about 1/5 of Cryptome this AM:
| 
| IP address: 65.207.53.168
| 
| MAS (NETBLK-UU-65-207-53)
| 935 Pennsylvania Ave NW
| Washington, DC 20535
| US
| 
| Netname: UU-65-207-53
| Netblock: 65.207.53.0 - 65.207.53.255
| 
| Coordinator:
|Dastur, Brian  (BD680-ARIN)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|202-324-6124
| 
| Record last updated on 17-Aug-2001.
| Database last updated on 31-Oct-2001 02:58:21 EDT.
| 
| The siphon drained the site non-stop from 4:01 AM to 4:23 AM EST.

How many mirrors do you have John? 

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RE: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-31 Thread georgemw

On 30 Oct 2001, at 16:29, Reese wrote:

> At 04:52 PM 10/30/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >On 30 Oct 2001, at 14:51, Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> >
> >> Mike [[EMAIL PROTECTED]] wrote:
> >> 
> >> > I would bet that there is SOMETHING that
> >> > is dissolved by liquid freon. Just mark
> >> > your letters with the stuff and look for
> >> > the integrity of the mark at the other end.
> >> 
> >> Or... is there something that REACTS to freon in an interesting way...?
> >> 
> >> 
> >>  S a n d y
> >> 
> >> 
> >I think freon is incredibly inert, that's why it's used.
> 
> Heat freon up enough, it turns into phosgene gas (as it breaks down
> into simpler components).  The CBR types call that Blood Agent.  
> Just think of how carbon monoxide supplants oxygen in your red blood 
> cells, that's what phosgene gas does.  I do not seem to remember the 
> critical temperature but a lit cigarette will do it.
> 
> Reese
> 
> 
Here's a link to the MSDS
http://www.ansul.com/Material_Safety_Data_Sheets/F-85312.pdf
it says above 900 F Freon will decompose into hydrochloric and
hydrofluoric acids.  Doesn't mention phosgene, although you'd
proabably get that if the air was dry enough.

George

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Re: Osama bin Laden as SF fan

2001-10-31 Thread Tim May

On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 09:53 AM, Ken Brown wrote:

> Ken McLeod posted the following to rec.arts.sf.fandom
>
>> Forwarded with permission from China Mieville, fantasy writer
>> and student of international relations:
>
>>> --- Forwarded message follows ---
>
>>> My supervisor, an expert in the Middle East, told me about a
>>> rumour circulating about the name of Bin Laden's network.
>>> The term 'Al-Qaeda' seems to have no political precedent in
>>> Arabic, and has therefore been something of a conundrum to
>>> the experts, until someone pointed out that a very popular
>>> book in the Arab world, Arabs apparently being big readers
>>>  of translated SF, is Asimov's _Foundation_, the title of
>>>  which is translated as 'Al-Qaeda'.
>
>>> Unlikely as it sounds, this is the only theory anyone can come up 
>>> with.


A report on this "strange coincidence" is at 
http://www.marsearthconnection.com/attack3a.html#foundation

Color me skeptical, though, as there is nothing particularly odd about 
"the foundation" being the name of a group. The U.S. media translation 
into "The Base" is just a variant of "The Foundation." One might as well 
say that the translation of "The Ford Foundation" into Arabic suggests 
Bin Laden is somehow connected with Ford..maybe this is why the 
Brimstone tires explode?

(Other etymological swirls: Foundation, founder, fund, base, basement,  
grundlagen/ground, fundament (ass, too, as in "bottom")/fundamental, 
basis, basic, a base observation, etc.--all are related to the concept 
of "lowest level" or "basis" or "bottom"; the Indo-European words 
obviously come from a "basis" or "foundation" or "fundamental" (fund, 
fountain, etc.) in a mix of Proto-Indo-European roots. Arabic is a 
Semitic language, like Hebrew, and so "Qaeda" has no particular obvious 
connection to foundation/fundament/base.)

"Foundations of Something"  = "Grundlagen der"  =  "Groundwork 
for ... =  "The Basics of "


Google shows that Turkish uses the words

Kaida/Kayda

for base/foundation, so the cognates amongst the Semitic languages are 
obvious. I checked for Hebrew cognates, but am not yet convinced the 
connection is obvious.

(I don't have the American Heritage Dictionary of Semitic Roots, or 
whatever it is called, though I do have the AHD of Indo-European roots, 
one of my favorite browsing sources.)

The Web has the AHD sources of IE words, but not (yet) the Semitic 
sources.

--Tim May
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Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread Faustine

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John wrote:

>Anybody have information about this FBI operation,
>which siphoned about 1/5 of Cryptome this AM:


Monitoring Automated Systems
http://www.monauto.com/default1.asp

"MAS develops and integrates security monitoring and business software for
sophisticated IT solutions used in the world's leading security firms, call
centers, financial institutions, public agencies and utilities."


Ugh. If it's new, maybe it was triggered by one of your recent documents.
Who knows. Good luck...
 

~F.



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Re: Osama bin Laden as SF fan

2001-10-31 Thread Duncan Frissell

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001, Ken Brown wrote:

> Ken McLeod posted the following to rec.arts.sf.fandom
>
> > Forwarded with permission from China Mieville, fantasy writer
> > and student of international relations:
>
> >> --- Forwarded message follows ---
>
> >> My supervisor, an expert in the Middle East, told me about a
> >> rumour circulating about the name of Bin Laden's network.
> >> The term 'Al-Qaeda' seems to have no political precedent in
> >> Arabic, and has therefore been something of a conundrum to
> >> the experts, until someone pointed out that a very popular
> >> book in the Arab world, Arabs apparently being big readers
> >>  of translated SF, is Asimov's _Foundation_, the title of
> >>  which is translated as 'Al-Qaeda'.
>

***

http://www.jerrykindall.com/2001/october.asp

Apparently, "al-Qaeda"  means "the base." Which will almost certainly
lead to an obnoxious rash of "al your Qaeda are belong to U.S." sightings.


***

The name came into use when Osama used his cash to bankroll a series of
bases in Pakistan to assist fighters on their way Afghanistan to fight the
Commies.  He used the opportunity to collect a rather valuable direct
marketing list of somme 40,000 names and addresses of dedicated Musselman
Warriors for future use.  Wonder what dbase software he uses?

DCF

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wife and kids."




Re: Osama bin Laden as SF fan

2001-10-31 Thread Tim May

On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 11:07 AM, Tim May wrote:
>
> for base/foundation, so the cognates amongst the Semitic languages are
> obvious. I checked for Hebrew cognates, but am not yet convinced the
> connection is obvious.
>
> (I don't have the American Heritage Dictionary of Semitic Roots, or
> whatever it is called, though I do have the AHD of Indo-European roots,
> one of my favorite browsing sources.)
>
> The Web has the AHD sources of IE words, but not (yet) the Semitic
> sources.

Being curious, I did some more digging in online etymologies and 
dictionaries and found several transliterated versions of "foundation" 
into Hebrew. (The word "foundation" shows up in dozens, even hundreds, 
of Biblical passages, so we have lots and lots of old Aramaic and Hebrew 
appearances.)

Here's one I found at this site:

http://www.biblestudytools.net/Lexicons/Hebrew/heb.cgi?search=foundation&version=
kjv&type=eng&submit=Find

Things like "yahcad" and "muwcahd" and "cuwdah"

foundation  hdwoy   y@cuwdah


Sure sounds like "kaida" or "qaida" to me.

And Asimov was Jewish, so this proves that "Hari Seldon," which is 
Arabic for "America will be conquered in the 17th cycle after the Greys 
established their bases in New Mexico," was in league with the Rastafari 
Bilderberger colonizers of the holy lands.


--Tim May
"Extremism in the pursuit of liberty is no vice."--Barry Goldwater




NOTAM: GA prohibited w/in 10 miles of nuke plants

2001-10-31 Thread Anonymous

>Sounds like the feds are treating the current "credible threat" as broad
>and shutting down all options.  Anyone care to posit a scenario in which
>GA could threaten a nuke?

The GA plane has a smoke machine and draws special doodles in the sky, which are seen 
by the plant operator and she gets hypnotised into disabling the cooling subsystem.

This is not a joke, this has been leaked from the top secret anti-terrorist docs.




Re: Quarantines, hospital seizures: Powergrab 2001

2001-10-31 Thread Declan McCullagh

It would be interesting to compare the provisions you describe in this
bill (I have not yet read it) with existing powers that federal and
state authorities have when an "emergency" is declared. Seems to me
that much if this authority is already on the books.

-Declan


On Tue, Oct 30, 2001 at 09:56:10PM -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> Oh, it goes far beyond that - it creates a system where, upon a governor's 
> declaration of a public health emergency, the public health authorities get 
> control of all food, guns, medicine, fuel, clothing, medical facilities, 
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> empowered to use public safety agencies to force doctors perform 
> examinations, tests or vaccinate/immunize similarly uncooperative 
> individuals, and to create quarantine or exclusion areas as they consider 
> useful.
> 
> It's pretty much a police state implementation act.
> 
> 
> --
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> 5000 dead in NYC? National tragedy.
> 1000 detained incommunicado without trial, expanded surveillance? National 
> disgrace.




Osama uses Oracle DB

2001-10-31 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin

DCF Quoth:

>>The name came into use when Osama used his cash to bankroll a series
of
bases in Pakistan to assist fighters on their way Afghanistan to fight
the
Commies.  He used the opportunity to collect a rather valuable direct
marketing list of somme 40,000 names and addresses of dedicated
Musselman
Warriors for future use.  Wonder what dbase software he uses?<<

*Obviously* Osama uses Oracle, because he and Larry Ellison are
Well-Known Evil Persons.




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Re: [The Star Article] Canadian lawyers asked to fink on clients (fwd)

2001-10-31 Thread !Dr. Joe Baptista

The next time you plunk down money for a lawyer, you might also be hiring
the government's chief witness against you.

enjoy

On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Thought you might be interested in this one.
> 
>http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1004482927745&call_page=TS_Canada&call_pageid=968332188774&call_pagepath=News/Canada&col=968350116467
> 
> Wed Oct 31 23:05:59 2001

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Re: what kind of bomb?

2001-10-31 Thread FogStorm

On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 09:11  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> cpaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>> Witnesses also said they saw a U.S. plane drop a bomb Tuesday
>> at the Bagram front lines, about 25 miles north of Kabul,
>> creating a mushroom cloud that billowed at least 1,000 feet
>> into the air.
>>
>>
>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011030/ts/attacks_afghanistan_549.html
>>
> A really big one. Still conventional. Besides, a standard-sized one
> might have hit a munitions or fuel bunker.
>
>  Hell, a 10 acre tire fire in central California made a "mushroom"
> shaped cloud several thousand feet high.
>
> During Vietnam there were boxcar-sized bombs used to clear an LZ in the
> jungle. How many tons? I don't know but they made ~100 yard circle.
>
BLU-82

15,000 lb.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm




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Re: [The Star Article] Canadian lawyers asked to fink on clients (fwd)

2001-10-31 Thread Tim May

On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 08:19 PM, !Dr. Joe Baptista wrote:

> The next time you plunk down money for a lawyer, you might also be 
> hiring
> the government's chief witness against you.
>
> enjoy
>
> On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Thought you might be interested in this one.
>> 
>http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&;
>> c=Article&cid=1004482927745&call_page=TS_Canada&call_pageid=968332188774&
>> call_pagepath=News/Canada&col=968350116467
>>
>> Wed Oct 31 23:05:59 2001
>

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Re: what kind of bomb?

2001-10-31 Thread FogStorm


On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 08:39  PM, FogStorm wrote:

> On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 09:11  AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> cpaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>>> Witnesses also said they saw a U.S. plane drop a bomb Tuesday
>>> at the Bagram front lines, about 25 miles north of Kabul,
>>> creating a mushroom cloud that billowed at least 1,000 feet
>>> into the air.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011030/ts/attacks_afghanistan_549.html
>>>
>> A really big one. Still conventional. Besides, a standard-sized one
>> might have hit a munitions or fuel bunker.
>>
>>  Hell, a 10 acre tire fire in central California made a "mushroom"
>> shaped cloud several thousand feet high.
>>
>> During Vietnam there were boxcar-sized bombs used to clear an LZ in the
>> jungle. How many tons? I don't know but they made ~100 yard circle.
>>
> BLU-82
>
> 15,000 lb.
>
> http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/dumb/blu-82.htm

It also could have been a fuel-air explosive.

The BLU-95 is 500 pounds & the BLU-96 is 2000. They use propylene oxide 
gas.

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RE: Transperancy Spray?

2001-10-31 Thread Reese

At 06:19 AM 10/31/01 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>>>I think freon is incredibly inert, that's why it's used.
>> 
>> Heat freon up enough, it turns into phosgene gas (as it breaks down
>> into simpler components).  The CBR types call that Blood Agent.  
>> Just think of how carbon monoxide supplants oxygen in your red blood 
>> cells, that's what phosgene gas does.  I do not seem to remember the 
>> critical temperature but a lit cigarette will do it.
 
>Here's a link to the MSDS
>http://www.ansul.com/Material_Safety_Data_Sheets/F-85312.pdf
>it says above 900 F Freon will decompose into hydrochloric and
>hydrofluoric acids.  Doesn't mention phosgene,

Try this one:

http://www.vngas.com/pdf/g143.pdf

> although you'd
>proabably get that if the air was dry enough.

How dry will the air be at the burning cherry on a cigarette?

Reese




what kind of bomb?

2001-10-31 Thread cpaul




Witnesses also said they saw a U.S. plane drop a bomb Tuesday
at the Bagram front lines, about 25 miles north of Kabul,
creating a mushroom cloud that billowed at least 1,000 feet
into the air.


http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011030/ts/attacks_afghanistan_549.html




Re: what kind of bomb?

2001-10-31 Thread mmotyka

cpaul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote :
>Witnesses also said they saw a U.S. plane drop a bomb Tuesday
>at the Bagram front lines, about 25 miles north of Kabul,
>creating a mushroom cloud that billowed at least 1,000 feet
>into the air.
>
>
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011030/ts/attacks_afghanistan_549.html
>
A really big one. Still conventional. Besides, a standard-sized one
might have hit a munitions or fuel bunker.

 Hell, a 10 acre tire fire in central California made a "mushroom"
shaped cloud several thousand feet high. 

During Vietnam there were boxcar-sized bombs used to clear an LZ in the
jungle. How many tons? I don't know but they made ~100 yard circle.




Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread mmotyka

Any sense in blacklisting IP ranges and refusing connections?




Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread John Young

>Any sense in blacklisting IP ranges and refusing connections?

No, we still abide the ground rules here, nobody is forbidden,
not TLAs not the commies not the loonies not the ethnics
not the school of americans and the iras and jihadists, all 
mars' angels get to eat the poison pills, except mindless bots 
which gobble bandwidth totally resistant to pesticide, and 
by that I mean a lot of bandwidth; medium sized waste 
is okay, as here at heavens gate.

But should emphasize the logs are immediately history
by promissory to readers once we axe bots, and even 
that is done only now and then. Every week or so we
lift all blocks in beatific amnesty of our glorious future 
leaders-bots. They retaliate immediately for our groveling
by taking over for an hour or two then move on to the 
terrorize the White House, the New York Times, 
Vatican, Forbidden City, US Military, overpowering the 
dying reputables' comfy obnox with rogue viral obnox.




Re: NOTAM: GA prohibited w/in 10 miles of nuke plants

2001-10-31 Thread Ken Brown

"Karsten M. Self" wrote:

[...]

> Sounds like the feds are treating the current "credible threat" as broad
> and shutting down all options.  Anyone care to posit a scenario in which
> GA could threaten a nuke?

Yep.  Mr. Usr Bin Local records a video saying that a light aircraft
that hits the  at the power plant will cause it to release
large amounts of  Evil Radiation. The only thing to do is
to escape upwind as quickly as possible and never come back within 20
miles or you will all die and your children will grow horns and tails.
But the Government doesn't want the citizens to know because then it
will cause panic, and the emergency services will be stressed by all the
radiation-sick, and more people will die anyway of starvation, rioting,
looting, & so on.

Then release it to the media (of more than one country) just about the
time the plane hits the concrete. so the locals will see the reports as
they see the firetrucks screaming. Whether or not the plant is seriously
damaged is neither here nor there.

Actually, you don't have to make the video, because people will come the
that very conclusion by themselves as soon as they see the expert types
on the TV telling them that there is no reason to panic.

Or say the plane is filled with lots of anthrax. Doesn't really have to
be for the first-order effect - just has to be believed to be. 

Ken Brown




Osama bin Laden as SF fan

2001-10-31 Thread Ken Brown

Ken McLeod posted the following to rec.arts.sf.fandom

> Forwarded with permission from China Mieville, fantasy writer 
> and student of international relations:

>> --- Forwarded message follows ---

>> My supervisor, an expert in the Middle East, told me about a
>> rumour circulating about the name of Bin Laden's network.
>> The term 'Al-Qaeda' seems to have no political precedent in 
>> Arabic, and has therefore been something of a conundrum to 
>> the experts, until someone pointed out that a very popular
>> book in the Arab world, Arabs apparently being big readers
>>  of translated SF, is Asimov's _Foundation_, the title of
>>  which is translated as 'Al-Qaeda'.

>> Unlikely as it sounds, this is the only theory anyone can come up with.

Ken [the other one - not me ] added:

> This hypothesis raises some interesting possibilities. One is 
> that bin Laden has a number of video appearances prepared in 
> advance, which without being too specific give the impression
> that he knows what has just happened at the time they're shown.
>  They could continue to appear at intervals long after his reported death.

> Another is that there's a Second Al-Qaeda, somewhere else.


Ken Brown (thanks to John Dallman for showing me this on Cix)




Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread mmotyka

OK. Yer an equal opportunity provider. Bandwidth costs money, yes? Ask
the botniks to register and send them automated tgz update packages
monthly, weekly, whatever. Paid protection might be cheaper than being
robbed. Do you accept anonymous donations?




Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread John Young

>How many mirrors do you have John? 

Don't know for sure, several recent ones are listed on
the home page. Older ones, and the covert, are not easily
found, but I see a hit from them now and then or a bit
gulp of update.

A few machines come every day to get the latest contents
but no files. I assume those are distributed within networks
or archived or added to the evidence pile. One of MPAA's
law firms does that, and the old loyal customer, NSA
at ncsc.mil. And EOP, DoJ, the Senate, US Courts, jeez, 
don't these folks have surf through SafeWeb or do they not
trust the spy of spies. (Hilarious that SafeWeb was picked
to help dissident Chinese outreach -- right into the CIA's
archives.)

CIA has appeared daily since 911. That's ucia.gov.

That's why the FBI siphon was interesting, seldom do we
see the FBI use an address easily traceable to the agency.

It's interesting to speculate on who are the new, young, 
compwizzes and hackers hired by the TLAs, if they feel 
imprisoned or empowered, if they surf at work to send 
pleas for rescue via ID'd boxes. Could be reconnaissance 
by fire, sending a FNG into the sniper's sight, building logs 
of logs like poisoned packrat jg here.

Mothermary, there's nothing like logs to boost paranoia, and 
depression that nobody gives a FF except rampaging
bots endlessly shredding your shaggers and OBB.




Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread Peter Wayner

>A few machines come every day to get the latest contents
>but no files. I assume those are distributed within networks
>or archived or added to the evidence pile. One of MPAA's
>law firms does that, and the old loyal customer, NSA
>at ncsc.mil. And EOP, DoJ, the Senate, US Courts, jeez,
>don't these folks have surf through SafeWeb or do they not
>trust the spy of spies. (Hilarious that SafeWeb was picked
>to help dissident Chinese outreach -- right into the CIA's
>archives.)

I realize the government doesn't tell the citizens anything 
interesting, but they also don't tell themselves. Compartmentalized 
information is a big problem for the bureaucracy. Some of your 
biggest fans may be just as curious as the rest of us. Plus, they 
have to fight budget wars over these things.




Re: Quarantines, hospital seizures: Powergrab 2001

2001-10-31 Thread Greg Broiles

At 01:13 PM 10/30/2001 -0800, Khoder bin Hakkin wrote:

> Drafted at the behest of the Department of Health and Human
>Services (news - web
> sites) and with the help of the Centers for Disease Control and
>Prevention (news -
> web sites), the new law proposes ways to legally quarantine
>people, confiscate
> hospitals and get quick information to doctors in case of a
>bioterror attack.

Oh, it goes far beyond that - it creates a system where, upon a governor's 
declaration of a public health emergency, the public health authorities get 
control of all food, guns, medicine, fuel, clothing, medical facilities, 
doctors, and human beings within the affected area - they're entitled to 
immediate possession of   whatever useful private property they want, which 
can be redistributed, held, or destroyed as they see fit - and they're 
empowered to use public safety agencies to force doctors perform 
examinations, tests or vaccinate/immunize similarly uncooperative 
individuals, and to create quarantine or exclusion areas as they consider 
useful.

It's pretty much a police state implementation act.


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1000 detained incommunicado without trial, expanded surveillance? National 
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Re: Quarantines, hospital seizures: Powergrab 2001

2001-10-31 Thread Greg Broiles

At 01:13 PM 10/30/2001 -0800, Khoder bin Hakkin wrote:

> Drafted at the behest of the Department of Health and Human
>Services (news - web
> sites) and with the help of the Centers for Disease Control and
>Prevention (news -
> web sites), the new law proposes ways to legally quarantine
>people, confiscate
> hospitals and get quick information to doctors in case of a
>bioterror attack.

Oh, it goes far beyond that - it creates a system where, upon a governor's 
declaration of a public health emergency, the public health authorities get 
control of all food, guns, medicine, fuel, clothing, medical facilities, 
doctors, and human beings within the affected area - they're entitled to 
immediate possession of   whatever useful private property they want, which 
can be redistributed, held, or destroyed as they see fit - and they're 
empowered to use public safety agencies to force doctors perform 
examinations, tests or vaccinate/immunize similarly uncooperative 
individuals, and to create quarantine or exclusion areas as they consider 
useful.

It's pretty much a police state implementation act.


--
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5000 dead in NYC? National tragedy.
1000 detained incommunicado without trial, expanded surveillance? National 
disgrace.




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Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread Gabriel Rocha

On Wed, Oct 31, at 09:57AM, John Young wrote:
| Mothermary, there's nothing like logs to boost paranoia, and 
| depression that nobody gives a FF except rampaging
| bots endlessly shredding your shaggers and OBB.

In my time I have found that keeping logs of internet activities is
an activity best left for businesses and even then, it can be a
double edged sword. It would be hard to subpena logs I don't
keep...besides, they are nothing but a troublesome waste of space...

-- 
Churchill, Winston Leonard Spencer --On the eve of Britain's entry
into World War II:
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win 
without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be 
sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will 
have to fight with all odds against you and only a precarious 
chance of survival. There may be even a worse fate. You may have 
to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to 
perish than to live as slaves.




NYT DOS'd

2001-10-31 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin

Tuesday October 30 7:21 PM ET

NY Times Computers Shut Down by Apparent Attack

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Internet connections at the New York Times Co
(NYSE:NYT - news) were interrupted for
several hours on Tuesday afternoon after the paper's computers were
flooded with bogus information in an apparent
attack.

``We don't know that it was malicious, but there seems to be no innocent
explanation,'' wrote network administrator
Terry Schwadron in an e-mail to newsroom employees.

The Times computers ``started receiving a huge amount of electronic
transmission that flooded the machinery that
protects the paper from hacker attacks,'' according to Schwadron's
e-mail, in what he called ``denial of service activity.''

In a denial of service attack, thousands of fake messages are sent to
server computers, tying up the recipient's network.
The main White House Web site (http://www.whitehouse.gov) was hit with a
similar attack in May.

The New York Times Web site (http://www.nytimes.com) was online as of
Tuesday evening.

A spokeswoman for the company, reading a statement, said: ''Some New
York Times employees are experiencing
difficulty accessing the Internet through their computers. Our technical
staff is trying to determine the reason for this. At
this time, we do not know the cause.''

The spokeswoman did confirm the contents of Schwadron's e-mail.

The New York Times has gone through two anthrax scares since Oct. 12,
but tests came up negative for the bacteria.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20011030/wr/media_newyorktimes_computers_dc_1.html




Re: NOTAM: GA prohibited w/in 10 miles of nuke plants

2001-10-31 Thread Khoder bin Hakkin

Quoth John Young:

>>Sure. Don't go for the hard-headed containment structure,
knock out the soft-shelled control facility which regulates
cooling pumps. The reactor will do the rest just as effectively
as planes weakened the towers so they would self-destruct.
...
Nuclear power plants are likely a feint as well, with so
many soft-shells ready to eat<<

The reactors have such a nice chewy center that its
worth it to try to breach the crunchy shell.  Whacking the
cooling or control will take out the power generation[1]
but will not spread the spicy isotopes on the happy fun people.


[1] Creating a power deficit which might not be picked up by the Grid,
and so felt e.g., by Californians during certain seasons.

---
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Re: FBI MAS

2001-10-31 Thread Anonymous User

>Anybody have information about this FBI operation,
>which siphoned about 1/5 of Cryptome this AM:

So now the evidence has been collected.

I wonder if the thugs feel strong enough now to do away with
almost all dissent.

The whipped up sheeple opinion is at the peak. It's not getting
any higher. Flag sales sharply went down, and that has been noted
and acknowledged. So now we have "new warning from FBI about This
Week's Threat, but that can be done only few times ... continuous
threats lose effect.

There is a room full of frustrated males that don't get enough
sex from their ugly wives and expensive mistresses (T. May
syndrome is universal, after all), and they will do some
ultraviolence instead.

So expect the clampdown to begin any time now. The "public" will
cheer neutering of proponents of anti-government technologies
(stego, crypto) and of those who publish government's secrets.

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