date:20011018


*** SENATE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE
Homeland Security
Full committee hearing on "The role of the Department of Defense in
homeland security." (Rescheduled to October 25.)
Witnesses: Paul Wolfowitz, deputy Defense secretary;
 Gen. Peter Pace, vice chairman, Joint Chiefs
 of Staff; Gen. William Kernan, commander in
 chief, U.S. Joint Forces Command; Gen. Ralph
 Eberhart, commander in chief, U.S. Space Command/North
 American Aerospace Defense Command
Location: 216 Hart Senate Office Building. 9:30 a.m.
Contact: 202-224-3871 http://www.senate.gov/~armed_services
**POSTPONED** SENATE BANKING, HOUSING AND URBAN AFFAIRS COMMITTEE
Gilleran Nomination
Full committee hearing on the nomination of James Gilleran, of California,
to be director of the Office of Thrift Supervision in the Treasury
Department. (Rescheduled to October 23.)
Location: 538 Dirksen Senate Office Building. 2:30 p.m.
Contact: 202-224-7391 http://www.senate.gov/~banking
**POSTPONED** SENATE BUDGET COMMITTEE
Economic Stimulus
Full committee hearing on economic stimulus. (No new date announced.)
Witnesses: William Gale, senior fellow, Brookings Institute;
 Peter Orszag, senior fellow, Brookings Institute;
 Wayne Angell, chief economist, Bear, Sterans,
 Inc.
Location: TBA Senate Office Building. 10 a.m.
Contact: 202-224-0642 http://www.senate.gov/~budget
**POSTPONED** SENATE HEALTH, EDUCATION, LABOR AND PENSIONS COMMITTEE
Economic Security
Full committee hearing on hearing on "Economic Security: Helping Working
Americans and Those Out of Work." (No new date announced.)
Location: 430 Dirksen Senate Office Building. 10 a.m.
Contact: 202-224-5375 http://www.senate.gov/~labor
**POSTPONED**

  HOUSE ENERGY AND COMMERCE COMMITTEE
Digital Television
Telecommunications and the Internet Subcommittee hearing on "Transition
to Digital Television: Progress on Broadcaster Buildout and Proposals
to Expedite Return to Spectrum." (No new date announced.)
Location: 2123 Rayburn House Office Building. 9:30 a.m.
Contact: 202-225-2927 http://www.house.gov/commerce
**POSTPONED** HOUSE FINANCIAL SERVICES COMMITTEE
Policyholders/Terrorism
Capital Markets, Insurance and Government Sponsored Enterprises Subcommittee
hearing on "Protecting Policyholders from Terrorism: Private Sector
Solutions." (No new date announced.)
Witnesses: Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill; Richard Hillman,
 director, Financial Markets and Community
 Investment, GAO; Marjorie Nordlinger, senior
 attorney, Office of the General Counsel, Nuclear
 Regulatory Commission; Constantinos Iordanou,
 senior executive vice president, Group Operations
 and Business Development, Zurich Financial
 Services Group; Scott Harrington, professor,
 Insurance and Finance, Moore School of Business,
 University of South Carolina; David Cummins,
 Harry Loman professor, Insurance and Risk
 Management, The Wharton School, University
 of Pennsylvania; Nigel Easton, insurance specialist,
 United Nations; David Keating, senior counselor,
 National Taxpayers Union; Patrick Ryan, chairman/CEO,
 Aon Corporation; Roy Williams, director of
 aviation, Louis Armstrong New Orleans International
 Airport
Location: 2128 Rayburn House Office Building. 1 p.m.
Contact: 202-225-7502 http://www.house.gov/financialservices
**POSTPONED** HOUSE SMALL BUSINESS COMMITTEE
EPA Rulemaking
Regulatory Reform and Oversight Subcommittee hearing on "EPA Rulemaking:
do bad analyses lead to irrational rules?" (No new date announced.)
Location: 2360 Rayburn House Office Building. 10 a.m.
Contact: 202-225-5821 http://www.house.gov/smbiz
**POSTPONED** HOUSE WAYS AND MEANS COMMITTEE
SSA Response/Terror Attacks
Social Security Subcommittee hearing on the Social Security Administration's
response to the September 11 terrorist attacks. (No new date announced.)
Witnesses: Larry Massanari, acting commissioner, Social
 Security, SSA; Beatrice Disman, regional commissioner,
 SSA; Laurie Watkins, acting regional commissioner,
 SSA; James Huse, Jr., inspector general, Office
 of Inspector General
Location: B-318 Rayburn House Office Building. 10 a.m.
Contact: 202-225-3625 http://www.house.gov/ways_means
**POSTPONED**

FYI: Speak Freely for Unix 7.5 Pre-Release Available (fwd)

2001-10-18 Thread Eugene Leitl




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-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 13:52:24 +0200
From: John Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Speak Freely Mailing List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Speak Freely for Unix 7.5 Pre-Release Available

This announcement pertains only to Speak Freely for Unix.
Users of the Windows version need read no further.

A pre-release of Speak Freely for Unix (Linux, FreeBSD,
Solaris, IRIX, etc.) version 7.5 is now available.  This
release is intended for "early adopters" interested in
testing one or more of the new capabilities and/or
verifying whether problems intended to be resolved in this
release actually have been.  If you're engaged in modifying
Speak Freely or adapting code from it for use in other
applications, the code clean up in this version makes it a
better starting point for your work.

Download Information


Speak Freely for Unix 7.5 may be downloaded from:

 http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/download/7.5/speak_freely-7.5.tar.gz

This is a gzipped TAR archive containing complete source code;
the format of the distribution is unchanged from earlier
releases.  The distribution contains a complete development
log in the file "log.doc".  An extract from this document including
all changes in 7.5 and several prior versions may be read
on-line at:

 http://www.fourmilab.ch/speakfree/unix/download/7.5/sfunix_log_7.5.html

New Features


Support has been added for Federal Standard 1016 CELP
(Code-Excited Linear Prediction) audio compression, via
a new "-celp" switch in sfmike.  This algorithm compresses
voice-grade audio to a 4800 bit per second data stream with
quality comparable to that of GSM (13000 bits/second)
compression.  CELP compression (but not decompression)
is fantastically computationally intense.  While a 50 MHz
486 suffices for GSM, the price of admission for CELP
is on the order of a 600 MHz Pentium III or equivalent.
Note that for floating-point intense code like this
performance depends more on processor architecture than
clock rate: a 300 MHz UltraSPARC (v9), which has five
floating point units and can issue two floating point
instructions at once, runs CELP compression about three
times faster than real time notwithstanding its slower
clock.

Sfecho now permits simulation of transmission errors on
poor connections.  A new -z option lets you specify a
percentage of packets to randomly drop and shuffle.  This
allows testing error-tolerant algorithms by running sfecho
on a local machine, set to emulate a channel with
properties like the one the algorithm is intended to
cope with.

Robust transmission mode may now be used with any
compression mode in Speak Freely protocol, not just LPC10.
A separate -robustN option on sfmike sets the number of
sequence numbered copies of each packet to be sent, which
may now be as many as 8.

Processing of robust mode packets in sfmike is greatly
improved over the bonehead algorithm I originally used.
Each packet contains a sequence number which increments
modulo 256.  Previously, packets were discarded only if
they contained precisely the same sequence number as the
immediately preceding one.  The new code computes the
difference between the current packet's sequence number and
that of the last one played (taking account of the modulo
256 wrap-around) and discards the packet if its sequence
number is less than or equal to that of the last packet,
but not more than 16 less.  This should discard most
packets shuffled by multipath routing, while limiting the
maximum loss in the case of intermittent outages which
completely lose sync to at most 16 packets.

A sample speech file containing four sentences spoken by
male and female speakers (originally supplied as a test for
the CELP library) is now included as "speech.au" in the
Speak Freely distribution.  (The original test file was 8
kHz 16 bit PCM--the version supplied in the distribution
has been recoded as 8 kHz mu-law, Speak Freely's native
format.)  This file allows evaluation of different
compression modes and diagnosis of problems due to audio
input hardware settings (clipping, insufficient input gain,
incorrect sampling rate, or conversion to mu-law, etc.) by
comparing live audio against this properly recorded file.

Bug Fixes
-

Transmission of face images now works when the audio stream
is encrypted.  (Fix by Ivan Popov.)

LPC10 audio compression should no longer be vulnerable to
compiler optimisation problems on various platforms, nor
to potential byte order or alignment problems.  The
original LPC10 codec was machine-translated from FORTRAN
into K&R C and contained numerous constructs which invited
code generation problems.  The code is now fully prototyped
ANSI C and should no longer have

Gov. Gilmore and anti-terror panel call for FISAlike "cyber court"


House committee press release:
http://www.house.gov/science/press/107pr/107-103.htm

---

http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,47676,00.html
   
   Governor Calls for 'Cyber Court'
   By Declan McCullagh ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
   2:00 a.m. Oct. 18, 2001 PDT
   
   WASHINGTON -- Malicious hackers, look out.
   
   A government anti-terrorism commission will recommend that Congress
   create a shadowy court to oversee investigations of suspected computer
   intruders.
   
   Gov. James Gilmore (R-Virginia), the commission's chairman, said
   Wednesday that federal judges have been far too sluggish in approving
   search warrants and eavesdropping of online miscreants.
   
   Instead, Gilmore told the House Science committee, the commission will
   recommend that a "cyber court" be created with extraordinary powers to
   authorize electronic surveillance and secret searches of suspected
   hackers' homes and offices.
   
   Police investigations are currently hamstrung by a lack of "effective
   procedures and understanding by many in the judiciary concerning the
   nature and urgency of cyber security," Gilmore said.

   [...]
   
   Gilmore offered few details on the proposal to create a hacker-court.
   A House press release says only that the commission will recommend the
   "establishment of a special 'Cyber Court' patterned after the court
   established in the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act."

   [...]




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Fact Sheet: Chemical - Biological Agents (fwd)

2001-10-18 Thread Jim Choate

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 07:42:13 -0400
From: PA List Manager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Fact Sheet: Chemical - Biological Agents

U.S. Department of State
Washington, D.C.

FACT SHEET
CHEMICAL - BIOLOGICAL AGENTS

The recent terrorist threats and confirmed cases of exposure to anthrax have
caused an increase in anxiety over the possibility of chemical and
biological attacks (CBA).  Currently, the method of delivery of anthrax has
been by letter or package.  While the risk of such attacks is limited, it
cannot be excluded.  As always, the Department will promptly share with
American citizens overseas any credible information about threats to their
safety.  Americans should stay informed and be prepared for any eventuality.

In 1999, the Department of Defense announced its intention to commence the
Family and Force Protection Initiative (FFPI) in order to provide enhanced
protection to the dependents of U.S. military service members and to
civilian Department of Defense (DOD) employees and their families. This
program was first implemented for U.S. Forces Korea.

The Department of State has had a chemical and biological countermeasure
program since 1998, when it began to deploy chemical antidotes and
antibiotics to selected posts abroad.   While we have no information to
indicate there is an imminent threat from use of anthrax or other biological
agents as a weapon against our overseas missions at this time, the
Department is expanding its countermeasure program.   As a precaution, the
Department requested our missions overseas to stock a three-day supply of
the antibiotic ciprofloxacin for all individuals who work in or frequent the
missions.

This small supply of ciprofloxacin is being pre-positioned to ensure rapid
access to this protective antibiotic for our employees in case of an Anthrax
exposure in an overseas USG facility and would allow the mission sufficient
time to provide access to care for all individuals exposed while securing
additional supplies of antibiotics.  Once an exposure is suspected, all
individuals who had been exposed in our workplace would be provided
antibiotics pending a full investigation of the exposure. This would include
any private American citizen present in the facility at the time of
exposure.

Again, if the Department becomes aware of any specific and credible threat
to the safety and security of American citizens abroad, that information
will be provided to them promptly.

Exposures to CBA that occur outside USG facilities would require the
involvement of local public health authorities who would provide information
and if necessary, protective antibiotics to the general public.
Ciprofloxacin and other antibiotics effective against Anthrax, including
doxycycline and amoxicillin are available with a prescription in most
pharmacies throughout the world.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is the lead government
agency on infectious diseases, including chemical/biological agents (CBA).
For detailed information on CBA, including Anthrax, inquirers are referred
to the CDC Internet home page at http://www.cdc.gov. The CDC's international
travelers hotline telephone number is 1-877-FYI-TRIP (1-877-394-8747);
fax: 1-888-CDC-FAXX (1-888-232-3299).

As always, American citizens should review their own personal security
situations and take those precautions they deem appropriate to ensure their
well-being.

Some general information on chemical-biological agents (CBA) follows:

A.  Biological agents can be dispersed by an aerosol spray that must be
inhaled. However, these agents can also be used to contaminate food, water
and other products. Attention to basic food hygiene when traveling abroad is
very important.

A.  Some chemical agents may be volatile--evaporating rapidly to form
clouds of agent. Others may be persistent. These agents may act directly on
the skin, lungs, eyes, respiratory tract or be absorbed through your skin
and lungs causing injury.  Choking and nerve agents damage the soft tissue
in these organs.

A.  When properly used, appropriate masks are effective protection to
prevent the inhalation of either biological or chemical agents; however this
assumes an adequate warning. Gas masks alone do not protect against agents
that act through skin absorption.  Those who wish to acquire protective
equipment for personal use should contact commercial vendors.

A.  There is an incubation period after exposure to biological agents.
It is essential that you seek appropriate care for illnesses acquired while
traveling abroad to assure prompt diagnosis and treatment.

A.  One of the biological warfare agents is the spore-forming bacterium
that causes Anthrax, an acute infectious disease.  It should be noted,
however, that effective dispersal of the Anthrax bacteria is difficult.

*   Anthrax is treatable if that treatment is initiated promptly after
exposure. The post-e

Re: Non-verbal IQ testing


At 08:24 PM 10/17/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote:,
> Dream on, white boy. Sheee-it -- whites can't even talk as fast as
blacks,
>just listen to hiphop sometime

Talking is not the same as thinking.  Look at politicians.

Protect your brain from cell phone radiation

2001-10-18 Thread kris24

Could Cell Phone Radiation Be...

Scientific studies show that cell phones send dangerous microwave
radiation through the ear canal penetrating your Temporal Lobe,
the softest most easily damaged part of your brain.

The latest research suggests these health risks.
Head aches , memory loss, chronic fatigue, anxiety disorders,
genetic damage, brain cancer, leukemia, attention deficit.

Thermal View shows how cell phone radiation penetrates the brain.
Left is an adult middle a 10 year old right a 5 year old.
Feeling warmer in the head lately?

Who is most at risk?
Children and Teenagers
because their brains are not fully developed.

Anyone who uses a cell or cordless phone regularly.

Here are some quotes from the media

The US Department Food and Drug Administration
says cell phones emit radiation which can cause biological damage.

Verison Wireless cites
British Department of Health Report June ,2001
Parents who wish to reduce their childrens RF exposure may choose to
restrict their wireless phone use.

In this day of new technology how many things have been found to be hazardous (asbestos), Toxic (DDT), or deadly (smoking). All these products were found to have unacceptable consequences with their continued use. Am I saying throw your wireless phone away or never use it? NO. Technology has rescued man kind agian.

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govt-licensed broadcaster bans songs


http://michaelmoore.com/2001_0922.html :

... He passed on to me a confidential memo from the radio conglomerate
that
owns his station: Clear Channel, the company that has bought up 1,200
stations altogether -- 247 of them in the nation's 250 largest radio
markets -- and that not only dominates the Top 40 format, but controls
60% of all rock-radio listening.

The company has ordered its stations not to play a list of 150 songs
during this "national emergency." The list, incredibly, includes "Bridge

Over Troubled Water," "Peace Train," and John Lennon's "Imagine."


[ Ed note: they should have included Brian Eno's BURNING AIRLINES GIVE
YOU SO MUCH MORE.  They got Talking Head's BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE
but not LIFE DURING WARTIME.]



===

http://michaelmoore.com/mirrors/banned_songs_list1.htm


From: Independent Media Center
http://radio.indymedia.org:8081

Songs banned on corporate radio Tuesday 18 Sep 2001
author: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

summary
Another Gathering of Judgment Calls in the Wake of Disaster September
14, 2001

Source



In response to Tuesday's terrorist attacks, Clear Channel, the
world's largest radio network, has sent out a list of some 150
"lyrically questionable" songs by everyone from the Animals to the
Zombies to its radio stations, recommending that the songs not be
aired. Some songs are overtly violent in their intent, but the
majority simply contain metaphorical language or narrative aspects
that connect uncomfortably with the tragedy.

http://www.hitsdailydouble.com/news/songs.html

Clear Channel's List of
Songs with Questionable Lyrics

Artist Title

Drowning Pool "Bodies"
Mudvayne "Death Blooms"
Megadeth "Dread and the Fugitive"
Megadeth "Sweating Bullets"
Saliva "Click Click Boom"
P.O.D. "Boom"
Metallica "Seek and Destroy"
Metallica "Harvester or Sorrow"
Metallica "Enter Sandman"
Metallica "Fade to Black"
All Rage Against The Machine songs
Nine Inch Nails "Head Like a Hole"
Godsmack "Bad Religion"
Tool "Intolerance"
Soundgarden "Blow Up the Outside World"
AC/DC "Shot Down in Flames"
AC/DC "Shoot to Thrill"
AC/DC "Dirty Deeds"
AC/DC "Highway to Hell"
AC/DC "Safe in New York City"
AC/DC "TNT"
AC/DC "Hell's Bells"
Black Sabbath "War Pigs"
Black Sabbath "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath"
Black Sabbath "Suicide Solution"
Dio "Holy Diver"
Steve Miller "Jet Airliner"
Van Halen "Jump"
Queen "Another One Bites the Dust"
Queen "Killer Queen"
Pat Benatar "Hit Me with Your Best Shot"
Pat Benatar "Love is a Battlefield"
Oingo Boingo "Dead Man's Party"
REM "It's the End of the World as We Know It"
Talking Heads "Burning Down the House"
Judas Priest "Some Heads Are Gonna Roll"
Pink Floyd "Run Like Hell"
Pink Floyd "Mother"
Savage Garden "Crash and Burn"
Dave Matthews Band "Crash Into Me"
Bangles "Walk Like an Egyptian"
Pretenders "My City Was Gone"
Alanis Morissette "Ironic"
Barenaked Ladies "Falling for the First Time"
Fuel "Bad Day"
John Parr "St. Elmo's Fire"
Peter Gabriel "When You're Falling"
Kansas "Dust in the Wind"
Led Zeppelin "Stairway to Heaven"
The Beatles "A Day in the Life"
The Beatles "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds"
The Beatles "Ticket To Ride"
The Beatles "Obla Di, Obla Da"
Bob Dylan/Guns N Roses "Knockin' on Heaven's Door"
Arthur Brown "Fire"
Blue Oyster Cult "Burnin' For You"
Paul McCartney and Wings "Live and Let Die"
Jimmy Hendrix "Hey Joe"
Jackson Brown "Doctor My Eyes"
John Mellencamp "Crumbling Down"
John Mellencamp "I'm On Fire"
U2 "Sunday Bloody Sunday"
Boston "Smokin"
Billy Joel "Only the Good Die Young"
Barry McGuire "Eve of Destruction"
Steam "Na Na Na Na Hey Hey"
Drifters "On Broadway"
Shelly Fabares "Johnny Angel"
Los Bravos "Black is Black"
Peter and Gordon "I Go To Pieces"
Peter and Gordon "A World Without Love"
Elvis "(You're the) Devil in Disguise"
Zombies "She's Not There"
Elton John "Benny & The Jets"
Elton John "Daniel"
Elton John "Rocket Man"
Jerry Lee Lewis "Great Balls of Fire"
Santana "Evil Ways"
Louis Armstrong "What A Wonderful World"
Youngbloods "Get Together"
Ad Libs "The Boy from New York City"
Peter Paul and Mary "Blowin' in the Wind"
Peter Paul and Mary "Leavin' on a Jet Plane"
Rolling Stones "Ruby Tuesday"
Simon And Garfunkel "Bridge Over Troubled Water"
Happenings "See You in Septemeber"
Carole King "I Feel the Earth Move"
Yager and Evans "In the Year 2525"
Norman Greenbaum "Spirit in the Sky"
Brooklyn Bridge "Worst That Could Happen"
Three Degrees "When Will I See You Again"
Cat Stevens "Peace Train"
Cat Stevens "Morning Has Broken"
Jan and Dean "Dead Man's Curve"
Martha & the Vandellas "Nowhere to Run"
Martha and the Vandellas/Van Halen "Dancing in the Streets"
Hollies "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother"
San Cooke Herman Hermits, "Wonder World"
Petula Clark "A Sign of the Times"
Don McLean "American Pie"
J. Frank Wilson "Last Kiss"
Buddy Holly and the Crickets "That'll Be the Day"
John Lennon "Imagine"
Bobby Darin "Mack the Knife"
The Clash "Rock the Casbah"
Surfaris "Wipeout"
Blood Sweat and Tears "And When I Die"
Dave Clark Five "Bits and Pieces"
Tramps "

RE: Detainees, Personal Libertarianism, and Vengeance

2001-10-18 Thread Sandy Sandfort

C'punks,

Tim May wrote:

> Both of you [Declan McCullagh and "Nomen
> Nescio"] are using my comments out of
> context...

He further wrote:

> However, I continue to be amused that
> Sandy, Seth, John, and poor Nomen are
> all predicting that I'm about to be
> arrested.

As long as we are setting the record straight, I have to correct Tim's
comments made out of context.  I have never predicted that he was about to
be arrested.

 S a n d y

Re: Detainees, Personal Libertarianism, and Vengeance

At 11:59 PM 10/17/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>Torturing and murdering the innocent children of someone who may --
>let's even stipulate a moment of malice -- have written an article
>that misquoted you is not exactly behavior that civilized society
>should applaud.

Depends.  Males, including what are now called 'minors', of the defeated

may be killed at will, according to the (admittedly archaic but still
worshipped) texts of the dominant religions in places like US, Arabia,
etc.

According to the pissed off arabs, the US has been starving arab
children.
The US certainly hauled asian children out to the desert
in the last official war.  Just label them 'collateral damage', drop
some vegetarian rations on them, and you can feel good about yourself
while you
count your cropdusters..

Re: Next act of the drama ?


At 11:58 PM 10/17/01 -0400, Dave Emery wrote:
>Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>Folks, the MSP has placed the following BE ON THE LOOK OUT BULLETIN
(BOLO)
>for a theft that occurred in New Jersey yesterday of a 45 foot
>trailer/truck combo with hazardous chemicals inside:

Nice of them not to inform the public of the chems themselves,
which would be useful.

Got Phosgene?

RE: Kill Killfile

2001-10-18 Thread Sandy Sandfort

Ken Brown wrote:

> I think I'm coming to believe the canard
> about Americans having no sense of irony.

Perhaps MY use of irony is too subtle for someone raised on Monty Python to
detect and appreciate.  Perhaps this will help:

When it comes to florid writing, that John Young is a real goer, hey?  (Wink
wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.)  :'D

 S a n d y

Re: Kill Killfile


At 12:03 AM 10/18/01 -1000, Reese wrote:
> >it?) we mean the *exact* *opposite* of what we seem to be saying. And

> >when we use this sort of supercilious sneer (pay attention now, it is

> >very subtle) we mean both what we are apparently saying *and* its
> >opposite, simultaneously, the two held in tension in an unstable
melange
> >of fractal meaning.
>
>Otherwise known as Cognitive Dissonance.  Draw your own conclusions.

And quantum superposition.  Put that in your pipe and toast it.

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Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...

2001-10-18 Thread An Metet


Anonymous whined:

> 
> It's nice that there's a forum available to you 
> where you are free to assert and assume whatever 
> you wish, without the inconvenience of any 
> substantiation.
 

 And it's pretty fucking obvious that you have never been 
in any situation dealing with the police either, right, asshole?
Even before 9/11, it was not at all uncommon to be rousted by the
pigs, hauled off to jail, and refused the right to call a lawyer
or anyone else, simply for the crime of looking "not quite right"
or black, or radical, or what the fuck ever. 
   There have been numerous cases of people being arrested and held
for weeks, right here in the good old USA, with no charges, no
phone calls, no rights. Think you really have rights? Just 
get into any sort of confrontation with the pigs and try talking
about rights and see what happens. People get beat all the time.
   Fuck you, you stupid little piece of shit -- I'd like to give
you just a tenth of the beatings I've had from the pigs. 
wl p

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RE: RE: Kill Killfile

2001-10-18 Thread Tolan Blundell

Sandy wrote:

>Perhaps MY use of irony is too subtle for someone raised on Monty Python to
>detect and appreciate.  Perhaps this will help:

>When it comes to florid writing, that John Young is a real goer, hey?
(Wink
>wink, nudge nudge, say no more, say no more.)  :'D

yes, because obviously the only humour anyone from the UK has ever been
exposed to is Monty Python and Carry On... Please don't force me to bring up
Seinfeld...

Tolan.

Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody...

At 12:28 PM 10/18/01 -0400, An Metet wrote:
> And it's pretty fucking obvious that you have never been
>in any situation dealing with the police either, right, asshole?
>Even before 9/11, it was not at all uncommon to be rousted by the
>pigs, hauled off to jail, and refused the right to call a lawyer
>or anyone else, simply for the crime of looking "not quite right"
>or black, or radical, or what the fuck ever.

Everyone seems to have forgotten about NYPD's fondness for plungers
up the butt, or perforating immigrants offering their wallet.

Maybe a building falling on them was Infinite Justice.

Baltimore Digital Commerce Society-- Korhammer on Lava Trading, Nov 6

2001-10-18 Thread Peter Wayner


This event was originally scheduled for October 2nd, but it is being 
pushed back to November 6th because Lava Trading used to be located 
on the 83rd floor of the WTC. Richard Korhammer's office was only 50 
feet away from where the plane hit. Miraculously all of the company 
survived. Korhammer was across the street with a client during the 
entire event.

But please come to listen to hear about their company not about the 
WTC. They're almost back on-line after having their entire office 
destroyed.  These guys are building a very cool, cross-exchange tool. 
It constantly keeps track of the bids and asks on a number of 
exchanges letting you send your business to where the prices are 
best. It's fascinating to watch the screen update the quotes in real 
time.

This kind of semi-automated, trading assistance is bound to become 
more and more prevalent. I think Lava Trading is doing some of the 
most interesting stuff around.

-Peter



Baltimore Digital Commerce Society

Tuesday October 2, 12:30

Speaker: Richard Korhammer, CEO of Lava Trading (www.lavatrading.com)

Topic: Networks as Markets-- Why Exchanges are Becoming Virtual


Richard Korhammer is the CEO of LavaTrading, one
of the startup companies in New York diving into
cross-market arbitrage. Their network links
together all of the important market makers in
ECNs and keeps track of all bids and offers.
Buyers and sellers using the technology
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In his talk, Korhammer will explore how fast
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make all trading a transparent event?






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Re: govt-licensed broadcaster bans songs

2001-10-18 Thread Greg Newby


Do a little research, man.  Clear Channel denied this,
and even posted a luke-warm press release about it.  Do a simple
search at groups.google.com , you'll see about a thousand
different messages in different forums where this 
was discussed.

I'm not saying it's a hoax, but there's a lot more to
the story (or a lot less) than the month-old message
you circulated.  Better luck next time...
  -- Greg

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 08:42:59AM -0700, Optimizzin Al-gorithm wrote:
> 
> http://michaelmoore.com/2001_0922.html :
> 
> ... He passed on to me a confidential memo from the radio conglomerate
> that
> owns his station: Clear Channel, the company that has bought up 1,200
> stations altogether -- 247 of them in the nation's 250 largest radio
> markets -- and that not only dominates the Top 40 format, but controls
> 60% of all rock-radio listening.
> 
> The company has ordered its stations not to play a list of 150 songs
> during this "national emergency." The list, incredibly, includes "Bridge
> 
> Over Troubled Water," "Peace Train," and John Lennon's "Imagine."
> 
> 
> [ Ed note: they should have included Brian Eno's BURNING AIRLINES GIVE
> YOU SO MUCH MORE.  They got Talking Head's BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE
> but not LIFE DURING WARTIME.]
> 
> 
> 
> ===
> 
> http://michaelmoore.com/mirrors/banned_songs_list1.htm
> 
> 
> From: Independent Media Center
> http://radio.indymedia.org:8081
> 
> Songs banned on corporate radio Tuesday 18 Sep 2001
> author: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> summary
> Another Gathering of Judgment Calls in the Wake of Disaster September
> 14, 2001
..

used lab equiptment

2001-10-18 Thread keyser-soze


A specialized ultrasonic device is not required to produce micron fine aerosol 
powders.  All one needs is a used and cleaned print head assembly and its piezo pulse 
circuitry.  Nozzle apertures are typically 25-50 micron and if the material is 
suspended, in weak concentration, in a solution which quickly evaporates but doesn't 
harm the spores it should produce moderate quantities of fine powder quickly.  

If smaller sizes are desired a field ring charged to 1000-3000v DC can be placed 
around and in front of the nozzles.  If operated in sync with the nozzle pulses it can 
cause a the emerging droplets to cascade to nanometer size via the electrospray effect 
(now becoming common in drug production).  See 
http://www.essex.ac.uk/bs/staff/colbeck/index.htm#appas

Re: govt-licensed broadcaster bans songs

2001-10-18 Thread Morlock Elloi


> Do a little research, man.  Clear Channel denied this,

No shit ?

PR dept. docs are now the "proof" ?

http://slate.msn.com/code/chatterbox/chatterbox.asp?Show=9/18/2001&idMessage=8318
:

Last night when Chatterbox spoke with Jack Evans, a regional senior vice
president of programming at the radio station chain Clear Channel
Communications, he acknowledged that his company had distributed to its
programmers a list of songs with questionable lyrics that stations
should avoid in the wake of the Sept. 11 attack. (Click here for his
original statements on the list, and scroll down for the content of the
list itself.)

Today, however, Clear Channel issued a press release denying the
existence of the list, and the Web site of Radio Ink, a radio industry
trade publication, reported, "Clear Channel confirmed to Radio Ink this
morning that the banned list was only an Internet rumor."

So what's the truth here? Clear Channel admits it distributed a list of
songs to program directors. It obviously wasn't encouraging stations to
play songs like "Another One Bites the Dust." If you read the press
release carefully, it appears Clear Channel is weaseling out of sticky
situation: "Clear Channel Radio has not banned any songs from any of its
radio stations." Right. They didn't ban any songs, they simply asked
that stations not play them. Chatterbox wonders if there's another song
they might want to add to this supposedly nonexistent list: a little
something by the Sex Pistols.



http://slate.msn.com/code/chatterbox/chatterbox.asp?Show=9/17/2001&idMessage=8314
:

Jack Evans, a regional senior VP of programming at Clear Channel
insisted this list was not an effort initiated by management: "After and
during what was happening in New York and Washington and outside of
Pittsburgh, some of our program directors began e-mailing each other
about songs and questionable song titles," though the finished list was
distributed to the program directors by Clear Channel management.

Evans concedes that some of the songs are off base: "I think there were
certainly songs on the list that people were reading too much into" (the
Beastie Boys' "Sabotage," perchance?) though he supports the list in
general. "There were a substantial amount of songs in question that I'm
glad the [program directors] brought up so we didn't air them at a very,
very sad time." You can judge for yourself. Here's the list, with
original spellings intact.


=
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Re: Who represents the detained? Nobody..

2001-10-18 Thread Steve Schear


At 11:09 AM 10/18/2001 -0700, Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Your incoherent ranting fails to account for there being good and bad on 
>both sides of the blue line, and frankly I'll take a confrontation with a 
>"pig" over a confrontation with a maniac like you any day.  At least they 
>sort of screen out as many psychopaths as possible.

Unfortunately for all of us the ones that slip through now have the force 
of law and the wall of silence behind them.

steve

Re: CDR: Expert Warns Coded Pictures Indicate Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack

2001-10-18 Thread Jamie Lawrence


Sometime around  12:40 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] opined thusly:


>http://ebird.dtic.mil/Oct2001/s20011018expertwarns.htm
>
>DefenseWatch (SFTT.org)
>October 17, 2001
>
>Expert Warns Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack


Kook. 

http://www.doctorkoontz.com/philosophy/essays/other_essays/other_essay002.htm

Reminds me a little of Ray Kurzweil; looks like there are
interesting thoughts bouncing around there, but then you
run in to him trying to flirt with a speech synthesizer on stage.

(I'm not kidding; I can't find a link now, but it happened at
the TED conference last year. A similarly embarrassing
thing fills half of _The Age of Spiritual Machines_.)

-j

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread mikecabot


I've searched for other references to this and haven't found any... I 
work at a very large ISP and because of my job function, I would need 
to (a) know about such an order; (b) supervise its implementation; 
and (c) actively monitor compliance with it.

And I can tell you that we've received no such order or even had a 
sniff that one was coming down (and yes, we do get served by various 
LEAs to disclose account details and account contents -- but they 
have always been specific court orders in the past; and no, no one 
has shown up with a Carnivore box under the arm asking us if they 
could plug it into the nearest router port).

In addition to the blanket statement that Baker makes, there's also 
the suspicion that he doesn't really understand the subject what 
does he mean by "CALEA compliance"? Does he mean archiving packet 
data (if so, the notion is ludicrous)? Does he mean archiving just 
email POP3 contents? Does he mean archiving web/ftp space? What about 
colo boxes?

CALEA as it applies to voice networks (packet switched or not -- most 
voice networks are packet switched already, just not necessarily IP 
packets) is really an expression of two specific things: a) 
transaction logging detail (Acme calls Beta on a specific date and 
time and for a specific duration) and b) the ability to easily and 
quickly get copies of the packet stream (the voice conversations and 
any data associated with them or in them) to a centralized 
distribution at which such data is made available to the LEAs. But 
this is a different thing entirely from data IP packet networks.

So is this guy (Stu Baker) just blowing smoke?

Mike

> Original Message from Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:48:03 -0700:> 
> "FBI requires ISPs to permit easy surveillance; EFF founder agrees"
> http://www.politechbot.com/p-02671.html
> 
> "Stu Baker replies to Politech post on ISPs and EFF founder"
> http://www.politechbot.com/p-02672.html
> 
> 
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Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net


I haven't read the CALEA text in a long time, but I think the answer may be 
yes and no. Stu is a very smart guy, one of the experts on this section of 
the law, but he could conceivably be overstating the case for his own purposes.

-Declan

At 05:32 PM 10/18/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>So is this guy (Stu Baker) just blowing smoke?

Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread Steve Schear


Everyone knows it is a bad idea to try and board a plane carrying a box 
cutter, a flight manual written in Arabic, or a sack full of mysterious 
white powder. But with ultra-tightened airport security, a book could also 
prevent you from boarding that plane.

No kidding. It happened just last week in Philadelphia.

http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com

steve

Re: Expert Warns Coded Pictures Indicate Al Qaeda Planning

2001-10-18 Thread citizenQ


Are there any image processing brains out there who can duplicate the results on 
downf.jpg?

Without the filter kernel and other specific techniques known it's impossible to 
replicate and verify what this guy says, and after the Bert thingie he does to his 
credibility, well, you know, Trust but Verify.  Messing around with the original using 
my graphics software's built-in filters I don't get anything that looks anything like 
the results on bringmenews.com.  To me it looks doctored.

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Greg Broiles

At 05:37 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Declan McCullagh wrote:

>I haven't read the CALEA text in a long time, but I think the answer may 
>be yes and no. Stu is a very smart guy, one of the experts on this section 
>of the law, but he could conceivably be overstating the case for his own 
>purposes.
>
>-Declan
>
>At 05:32 PM 10/18/01 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>So is this guy (Stu Baker) just blowing smoke?

I didn't see anywhere where Stu Baker said that he thought this was 
constitutional and/or within the original text of CALEA - the quoted bits I 
saw had him saying that the FBI is drafting regulations which proceed on 
the assumption that they can consider ISP's within CALEA's regulatory 
reach. He talked about the FBI's position, not his position.

I don't think he's likely to take a hard-and-fast stance one way or the 
other on this; he's way too smart to get hung out to dry with a totally 
ridiculous position on a black-or-white legal or factual (or political) 
question. I don't agree with his balancing of security vs. privacy when 
answering policy questions, but he's also very good at what he does and 
represents his clients well; a former employer of mine got some help from 
him which was a godsend at the time, despite what I suspect was his 
personal opposition (or at least ambivalence) towards our mission.

He's a gun-for-hire, not a doctrinaire blinders-on true believer for either 
the surveillance enthusiasts or privacy freaks.

If he's talking about the FBI's reading of CALEA so that it reaches ISP's, 
that may be a good early warning that we're likely to see lots of the 
Beltway crew agreeing - the question is not whether some random cypherpunk 
thinks that's a fair reading of CALEA, the question is whether or not a 
federal judge thinks that's a fair reading, and things like this are 
valuable clues if you're interested in that narrow question.

CALEA implementation has been slow - if the FBI is drafting regs now, 
they're going to have to go through the administrative rulemaking process 
(which I expect they can abbreviate in an "emergency"), publish final regs, 
and give ISP's at least a short time to comply - so we're still talking 
about months or years, not hours or days, so it's way too early for tech 
people to expect to hear about this via work.

--
Greg Broiles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

Airlines - the newest members of the international community of nations.

2001-10-18 Thread Black Unicorn


From:
http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/a
rticles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com

"'When a passenger passes through security, it is under the jurisdiction of
the airline. We dont get involved,' he says, adding that stories like
Godfreys are likely to become increasingly common."

Wow, I didn't realize airlines had law enforcement powers and
"jurisdictions" akin to those of state actors.

Re: Airlines - the newest members of the international community of nations.

2001-10-18 Thread Steve Schear


At 03:06 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Black Unicorn wrote:
>From:
>http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/a
>rticles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com
>
>"'When a passenger passes through security, it is under the jurisdiction of
>the airline. We dont get involved,' he says, adding that stories like
>Godfreys are likely to become increasingly common."
>
>Wow, I didn't realize airlines had law enforcement powers and
>"jurisdictions" akin to those of state actors.

They don't, they're just enforcing their property rights ;-)

steve

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RE: FBI anthrax posters.

2001-10-18 Thread Xeni Jardin


> Anyone else find their work environment covered with the new FBI
> "posters" (8 1/2 x 11 color) on how to recognize mail which may be from
> terrorists, and/or contain anthrax?

I'm not aware of an FBI-issued poster, but the USPS is distributing one widely
that fits this description.

Download copies in pdf


Or jpg:


--XJ

Re: CDR: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread cpaul




On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:49:28 +0800 "F. Marc de Piolenc" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Sounds like we need to be dictating into cellphones, with remote
> recording!

fishing through wreckage for a crumpled black box recorder seems pretty
old fashioned, too.




> > My reward was a crushed microcassette recorder, a "missing" cassette (he
> > claimed the recorder was both damaged and empty at the time he first
> > encountered it), and an arrest (and conviction no less!).
>

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net


On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:43:22PM -0700, Greg Broiles wrote:
> If the FBI really is preparing for a domestic surveillance initiative, 
> hearing about that months in advance is a lot more helpful than yet another 
> incompatible peer-to-peer content distribution system.

Greg makes an excellent point. Think of it as an early warning.

-Declan

Re: FBI anthrax posters.


At 07:32 PM 10/18/01 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Anyone else find their work environment covered with the new FBI
>"posters" (8 1/2 x 11 color) on how to recognize mail which may be from

>terrorists, and/or contain anthrax?

They'll be worth money to the survivors about 50 years hence.

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net


At 12:54 AM 10/19/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:43:22PM -0700, Greg Broiles wrote:
>> If the FBI really is preparing for a domestic surveillance
initiative,
>> hearing about that months in advance is a lot more helpful than yet
another
>> incompatible peer-to-peer content distribution system.
>
>Greg makes an excellent point. Think of it as an early warning.

You're being generous to the launcher of an evil trial balloon
because he is a personable guy.

Re: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread David Honig

At 01:49 PM 10/19/01 -1000, cpaul wrote:
>On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 10:49:28 +0800 "F. Marc de Piolenc"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Sounds like we need to be dictating into cellphones, with remote
>> recording!
>
>fishing through wreckage for a crumpled black box recorder seems pretty
>old fashioned, too.
>

30K planes in the air before; maybe 20K now (or 30K 2/3rds full..).
Lots of data from mobile senders.  [Yes, some of the 30K are too small to
be interesting.]
Though now perhaps you could do it by piggybacking on the cellphone 
mesh?   Cheaper than satellite.  
(Though what about hitting multiple cells, the non-EMI reason for not
using cells on planes)

N years ago a robust tape recorder was the best you could do;
N/2 years ago a solid state recorder became reasonable.  For some
value of N.  Now RF (digitally encoded, bursty?) is feasible.

Im sorry aimee

2001-10-18 Thread mattd


man who received a suspicious letter with amorous writings and lace panties 
turned it over to sheriff's deputies, who stored it in a biohazard barrel 
before determining it was not from a terrorist but from a secret admirer.

Do SpecOps set aside a pair of clean underwear for Somalias?


>`America will only be certain about its mistaken calculations after its
soldiers are dragged in Afghanistan
>as they were in Somalia,''
http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/nm/20011018/ts/attack_qaeda_usa_dc_1.html

One bomb got USG out of Lebanon.

A few stingers and some underwear on CNN got USG out of Somalia.

Bombs didn't work for crusaders in Arabian barracks or warship.
Wouldn't
think oil is so addictive, but it is.  People will die to get it.

Maybe Osama's brother will recognize his writing and turn him into the
FBI.

FBI anthrax posters.

2001-10-18 Thread measl



Anyone else find their work environment covered with the new FBI
"posters" (8 1/2 x 11 color) on how to recognize mail which may be from
terrorists, and/or contain anthrax?

My wife has not yet seen one at her work (she works retail), so I'm
wondering if these have only been distributed to certain kinds of
[high-tech?] businesses???

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Greg Broiles

At 10:12 AM 10/19/2001 +1000, Julian Assange wrote:
> > He's a gun-for-hire, not a doctrinaire blinders-on true believer for 
> either
> > the surveillance enthusiasts or privacy freaks.
>
>Oh, come off it.
>
>Stu is a well known NSA zealot.

Have you actually spoken with him, or are you just working from press reports?

Lots of things are "well known" and wrong, too.

>  The only reason there's a bridge
>between Kapor and Baker is due to the cavernous ravine that lays
>between them. Kapor is now apparently half-way across, following
>Stu's silently bekoning finger, fearfully running from the sounds
>of angels wings; fooled into believing that they lie behind and
>not ahead of him.

I don't know what Kapor has been smoking, but getting focused on Stewart 
Baker as the enemy is a distraction. He's articulate, and sympathetic to 
law enforcement/intelligence arguments in favor of surveillance and against 
privacy, but I'd sure rather hear him make those arguments in public than 
have him make them in private where the rest of us can't respond or prepare 
for what's coming.

Maybe Kapor just now noticed that lives really are at stake - crypto and 
security aren't just about spying on porn downloads and credit cards. His 
reaction is typical of leftist privacy activists the first time they need 
to really grapple with violence and its implications - they want to get as 
far from it as possible, and defer to the right-wing "experts" they 
previously opposed.

If the FBI really is preparing for a domestic surveillance initiative, 
hearing about that months in advance is a lot more helpful than yet another 
incompatible peer-to-peer content distribution system.

--
Greg Broiles
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
"We have found and closed the thing you watch us with." -- New Delhi street kids

Re: CDR: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread measl

On Thu, 18 Oct 2001, Jamie Lawrence wrote:

> Does anyone know the legal issues surrounding the act of taking
> a pocket tape recorder and recording at least my side of  this sort
> of transaction?

There's actually two questions implied here:

(1) What are the _legal_ implications?  The answer will depend on
whe the event(s) take place;

(2) Realistically, what can you expect?

I can't address number 1 directly, but I can address number two from first
hand experience.

In 1983 I was questioned by a (New York) police officer, who interrupted
my quite open and obvious dictation into a hand held microcassette
recorder to do it.  Since he saw the thing in my hand, and did not ask me
to turn it off, I let it run during what was essentially a "Terry Stop".

When the Terry stop escalated, and I was ordered to follow the officer for
more questioning, I asked him, while holding out the recorder for the
answer, whether I was under arrest.  Answer: no.  Followed by "Am I free
to go?".  Answer no.  "Sir, I believe these two conditions are mutually
exclusive: either I am under arrest, or I am free to go.  As I have things
to do, I need to know which it is, so that I may either go do them, or
call my attorney to join us".

My reward was a crushed microcassette recorder, a "missing" cassette (he
claimed the recorder was both damaged and empty at the time he first
encountered it), and an arrest (and conviction no less!).

On the way to central booking, he helped himself to my pocket change to
pay for the coffee and doughnuts for him and his three buddies (they
actually stopped en-route, leaving me cuffed in the car alone for about
20 minutes).

So, in a nutshell, expect that the recorder will be "empty", and quite
damaged when/if it is ever returned to you (which mine wasn't, even after
multiple applications).

-- 
Yours, 
J.A. Terranson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

If Governments really want us to behave like civilized human beings, they
should give serious consideration towards setting a better example:
Ruling by force, rather than consensus; the unrestrained application of
unjust laws (which the victim-populations were never allowed input on in
the first place); the State policy of justice only for the rich and 
elected; the intentional abuse and occassionally destruction of entire
populations merely to distract an already apathetic and numb electorate...
This type of demogoguery must surely wipe out the fascist United States
as surely as it wiped out the fascist Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The views expressed here are mine, and NOT those of my employers,
associates, or others.  Besides, if it *were* the opinion of all of
those people, I doubt there would be a problem to bitch about in the
first place...

don't write "fags" on military bombs, its not polite


Anti-Gay Bomb Slur Wrong, Navy Says

WASHINGTON (AP) - An anti-gay slur written on one of the bombs used in
the strikes on Afghanistan was inappropriate
and commanders have been directed to prevent similar incidents, a top
Navy official said.

Pilots or crews of U.S. warplanes often write messages on bombs, either
taunting the enemy or praising America. Messages
written on bombs during the anti-terrorism airstrikes have included
several references to the Sept. 11 attacks.

A news photograph of a plane on the USS Enterprise aircraft carrier last
week showed one bomb with the message, ``High
Jack This,'' followed by an anti-gay slur.

The Human Rights Campaign, a gay rights group, complained about the
bomb's message. Rear Adm. Stephen Pietropaoli, in a
letter to the group Wednesday, said the Navy does not tolerate
discrimination and the bomb's message was an ``isolated
incident.''

Several newspapers across the country also asked the Navy about the
bomb's message earlier this week, said Pietropaoli, the
Navy's chief of information.

``We immediately notified Navy commanders involved with Operation
Enduring Freedom to ensure steps were taken to
prevent a recurrence of this unfortunate incident. They have done so,''
Pietropaoli wrote.

Elizabeth Birch, executive director of Human Rights Campaign, said in a
statement that the letter was ``a welcome clarification
and we are pleased the Navy has stated that this type of anti-gay
behavior has no place in our armed forces.''

Re: "Expert" fooled by Bert Stego

2001-10-18 Thread Dan Jones


http://www.guardian.co.uk/online/story/0,3605,575821,00.html
(second article down)

So much for conspiracy theory - maybe that's the best image of bin Laden they could 
find. The ramifications for poor Ernie, however, aren't so amusing.





 - dan

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 01:47:16PM -0700, Optimizzin Al-gorithm wrote:
> At 12:40 PM 10/18/01 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> >Expert Warns Al Qaeda Planning Major Biological Attack
> >
> >DefenseWatch: One of the illustrations shows Osama bin Laden next to a
> cartoon
> >character from Sesame Street. What significance does that image have?
> >
> >The Sesame Street character that has appeared in a huge poster with
> Osama bin
> >Laden is significant in that it is yellow and has a mask-like quality.
> And one
> >can be certain that it was not placed on that huge poster by accident,
> as some people have stupidly suggested. It is a signal.
> 
> Bert Stego?  Occam's razor, dude.
> 
> 
> >Robert Koontz is an experimental nuclear physicist who earned his Ph.D.
> in 1980
> >at the University of Maryland. His specialties are experimental nuclear
> 
> >physics and high-energy physics, but he is also an expert in certain
> areas of
> >electronics, computer systems, software development and matters
> relating to
> >electronic intelligence gathering. Koontz has been a Staff Scientist at
> the
> >Department of Energys Lawrence Berkeley Laboratory, a Professor of
> Physics at
> >the University of South Dakota, and formerly was an instructor at the
> National
> >Security Agency.He lives in Pennsylvania.
> 
> He might be smart, and the rest of what he says is interesting,
> but he has paranoid delusions W.R.T. Bert.

Re: don't write "fags" on military bombs, its not polite

2001-10-18 Thread Steve Furlong

Tabla bin Rasa wrote:
> 
> Anti-Gay Bomb Slur Wrong, Navy Says
...
> ``We immediately notified Navy commanders involved with Operation
> Enduring Freedom to ensure steps were taken to
> prevent a recurrence of this unfortunate incident. They have done so,''
> Pietropaoli wrote.

Ironic name for the operation. I guess American sailors have the
enduring freedom to be complete conformists to the current orthodoxy,
and the rest of Americans have the enduring freedom to pay for it.

Incidentally, if the bomb had said "High Jack This, Sheep Fuckers",
would PETA have filed a complaint?

-- 
Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere   Have GNU, Will Travel
  617-670-3793

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly
while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato

Re: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread Duncan Frissell


Don't do it in Massachusetts.  They consider it wiretapping.  Most states 
aren't so funny.  But why take it out.  Leave it in your pocket (save when 
clearing the metal detector, of ocurse).

DCF

At 03:48 PM 10/18/01 -0700, Jamie Lawrence wrote:
>Sometime around  02:50 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Steve Schear opined thusly:
>
>
> >http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.ne 
> t/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com
>
>
>Does anyone know the legal issues surrounding the act of taking
>a pocket tape recorder and recording at least my side of  this sort
>of transaction?
>
>I know what the likely result would be; I wondered if I had any
>obligation not to record anything I might happen to say while
>interacting with airport authorities.
>
>-j

Re: CDR: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread F. Marc de Piolenc


Sounds like we need to be dictating into cellphones, with remote
recording!

Marc de Piolenc

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When the Terry stop escalated, and I was ordered to follow the officer for
> more questioning, I asked him, while holding out the recorder for the
> answer, whether I was under arrest.  Answer: no.  Followed by "Am I free
> to go?".  Answer no.  "Sir, I believe these two conditions are mutually
> exclusive: either I am under arrest, or I am free to go.  As I have things
> to do, I need to know which it is, so that I may either go do them, or
> call my attorney to join us".
> 
> My reward was a crushed microcassette recorder, a "missing" cassette (he
> claimed the recorder was both damaged and empty at the time he first
> encountered it), and an arrest (and conviction no less!).

Books being banned on planes...

2001-10-18 Thread j eric townsend


How to get detained and miss your flight.

Twice.

Bring the wrong book with you:

http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml


-- 
J. Eric Townsend -- http://www.spies.com/jet

Were you in USASSG/ACSI/MACV in Vietnam, 1967-1970?  Drop me a line if so...

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Re: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread Steve Furlong

Duncan Frissell wrote:
> 
> Don't do it in Massachusetts.  They consider it wiretapping.  Most states
> aren't so funny.  But why take it out.  Leave it in your pocket (save when
> clearing the metal detector, of ocurse).

MA wiretapping law applies only to secret recording. In theory, holding
the thing in plain sight should be ok.

That's the written law. Case law might be different, and I might know it
if I were a Massachusetts lawyer, which I ain't. Also, as measl pointed
out, jackbooted thugs can trash the device and lie about it later. (I
had a similar encounter which resulted in my equipment being smashed and
the pigs lying about it when I complained. I wasn't arrested in that
incident, though.)

-- 
Steve FurlongComputer Condottiere   Have GNU, Will Travel
  617-670-3793

"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly
while bad people will find a way around the laws." -- Plato

re: StreetMail (triangulate this)

2001-10-18 Thread citizenQ


I wouldn't make the assumption that there is sufficient public street anonymity.  This 
scheme would fall easily to simple surveillance attacks.  Or LEA putting a second 
receiver in the vicinity.

>It has nothing to do with crypto. It just exploits anonymity that (still) exists for 
>people using public streets.

Re: Airlines - the newest members of the international community of nations.

2001-10-18 Thread Tim May

On Thursday, October 18, 2001, at 03:06 PM, Black Unicorn wrote:

> From:
> http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/
> a
> rticles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com
>
> "'When a passenger passes through security, it is under the 
> jurisdiction of
> the airline. We dont get involved,' he says, adding that stories like
> Godfreys are likely to become increasingly common."
>
> Wow, I didn't realize airlines had law enforcement powers and
> "jurisdictions" akin to those of state actors.

A chilling story. It reports "patting down," interviews with the 
National Guard, police involvement, and multiple hours' worth of 
harassment...all for having a novel in his luggage.

Fuck Amerika...it is time for the empire to fall.

It talks a good game, but implements police state measures.

-Tim May
"The State is the great fiction by which everyone seeks to live at the 
expense of everyone else." --Frederic Bastiat

MWandawi art

2001-10-18 Thread mmotyka


I fooled around with the filtering but the source data is pure crap.
It's a low quality JPEG and there are artifacts everywhere, especially
around the "towers" and the rider. Has anyone found better source
material : higher resolution, lower quantization?

BTW - there's lots more art, mostly sinister if you care to see it that
way. Look at the one in gallery 4 :

WTF is a wooden shoe ( sabot ) doing next to an Indian elephant? 

Also in pic 0110 there is a nice death's head in the clouds to the left
of the flying cherub thing..

I have some trouble with the interpretation of yellow as a biowar, since
it seems to be something he horse is wanting to graze on.

http://people.a2000.nl/mwandawi/

RE: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread Blanc


About that book:

:Everyone knows it is a bad idea to try and board a plane carrying a box
:cutter, a flight manual written in Arabic, or a sack full of mysterious
:white powder. But with ultra-tightened airport security, a book could also
:prevent you from boarding that plane.
---


With enough examples like these collected in your Noggin database, you
develop the ability to measure degrees of intelligence, even without any
mechanical high-tech gear or scientifically conducted testing.

Very useful, especially for self-defense & preservation, especially in Times
Like These with people like those.

  ..
Blanc

Wartime Secrecy Presents Hazards to U.S. Freedom

2001-10-18 Thread Anonymous


http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/ny-vpcoc162417210oct16.column

Wartime Secrecy Presents Hazards to U.S. Freedom

Marie Cocco

October 16, 2001

ABDALLAH YASSINE says he is going home.

Nothing can dissuade him. Not the aid and comfort he's received from his suburban 
neighbors, who have provided food for his family and even arranged for a local church 
to pay a month's mortgage. Not pressure from his in-laws, who remind him that he has 
much in the United States - five children on the honor roll, a brand-new home, a car - 
and that he would have nothing back in Lebanon. Not even seeing the possibility that 
the immigration violation for which he was picked up a month ago, on the Saturday 
after the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, might be 
resolved without further distress.

"I told him he's making an irrational decision," said Samir Shaban, Yassine's 
brother-in-law. "He said, 'You didn't spend 18 days in jail for doing nothing.'"

Yassine showed up for his shift with a security company at Dulles Airport on the 
weekend after the attacks. He was shackled, led from the terminal and brought home to 
get his papers - then carted off to jail. His family was told he'd be released in an 
hour. But, for about two weeks, Yassine was held on a violation that involved working 
a second job for an employer - the security company - that was not listed as the 
employer on his guest-worker visa.

He was kept in shackles and moved to three different jails. He was first denied bond, 
but later - after his lawyer, Denyse Sabagh, was quoted describing the way immigrants 
were being held virtually incommunicado on minor violations - he was freed on $2,500 
bond. Yassine is one of some 700 people who have been rounded up since the terror 
attacks. The Justice Department does not claim these hundreds have any connection at 
all to the crimes. In fact, administration officials have suggested those with clear 
links may number only about a dozen. There are another 190 people at large, Attorney 
General John Ashcroft has said, who are being sought because they may have aided the 
terrorists.

And so, by the administration's own count, hundreds of people are now in jail who the 
authorities do not believe can be of help in this terrible matter. Some - 148 at last 
count - are immigrants held on violations such as Yassine's.

That leaves more than 500 about whom we are told absolutely nothing. Not their names, 
nor where they are being held. We are not told whether their offenses amount to having 
the misfortune of a Mideastern name and a broken tail-light. Or whether local 
authorities, who conducted many of the sweeps, have already released some who are 
guilty of little more than looking like an Arab. Or how many are material witnesses.

"We haven't released that," said Justice Department spokesman Dan Nelson.

It is the administration's all-purpose answer. Wartime powers to legitimately restrict 
the press from getting information that could jeopardize troops or law-enforcement 
operations are stretched to new proportions. The public is told nothing about hundreds 
in jail. Television isn't supposed to broadcast the videotaped propaganda of Osama bin 
Laden and his henchmen. We were supposed to submit to the idea that the people's 
elected representatives weren't to be briefed on the war or the threats at home. So 
strained was this over-reach that it was pulled back in a day.

Secrecy in war is most necessary, and most dangerous. Efforts to control information 
slip easily into cover-ups. "Trust us" soon becomes a veil that erodes public trust.

We are unanimous in saying this war against terrorism is waged to protect freedom. 
Ashcroft himself, commenting on the targeting of media outlets in the anthrax attacks, 
turned a nice phrase when he described this latest line of attack: "If people hate 
freedom, they ought to hate information that allows free people to make good 
decisions," he said on the CBS program "Face the Nation."

Well put. We wait, now, for this advice to be well followed. 

Copyright ) 2001, Newsday, Inc.

Re: Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread Harmon Seaver


 I sincerely hope this guy sues these people. Are the Guard troops protected from 
lawsuits? People this stupid shouldn't be allowed out
without a keeper, let alone be running around with guns.

Steve Schear wrote:

> Everyone knows it is a bad idea to try and board a plane carrying a box
> cutter, a flight manual written in Arabic, or a sack full of mysterious
> white powder. But with ultra-tightened airport security, a book could also
> prevent you from boarding that plane.
>
> No kidding. It happened just last week in Philadelphia.
>
> 
>http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com
>
> steve

--
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CyberShamanix
Work 920-203-9633
Home 920-233-5820
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Your papers please

2001-10-18 Thread Jamie Lawrence


Sometime around  02:50 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Steve Schear opined thusly:


>http://cgi.newcity.com/exitlog/frameset.php?close=http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml&back=http://www.newcity.com


Does anyone know the legal issues surrounding the act of taking
a pocket tape recorder and recording at least my side of  this sort
of transaction?

I know what the likely result would be; I wondered if I had any
obligation not to record anything I might happen to say while
interacting with airport authorities.

-j

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread keyser-soze


>At 03:48 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>"FBI requires ISPs to permit easy surveillance; EFF founder agrees"
>http://www.politechbot.com/p-02671.html
>
>>"Stu Baker replies to Politech post on ISPs and EFF founder"
>http://www.politechbot.com/p-02672.html
>
>>From: "Baker, Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: "Albertazzie, Sally" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: FBI requires ISPs to permit easy 
>surveillance; EFF founder ag rees Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:52:52 -0400 Declan, I 
>guess I ought to know what Mitch said and didn't say at this event. In fact, I took 
>Mitch's remarks as an olive branch and an invitation to more civil discourse now that 
>we have a keener sense of how much unites rather than divides us. He didn't say he 
>was willing to abandon principle for expediency. He did say that he defines himself 
>as many things, and civil liberties advocate is (just) one of them. He also said he 
>is open to reconsidering his views in the aftermath of September 11. Well, who isn't? 
>Only an ideologue would refuse to reconsider his views in the light of new data (or 
>would accuse those who do of abandoning principles for expediency). But in fact, 
>Mitch held up the civil!
 liberties end of the discussion with dignity and moderation, offering a determined 
argument against national id cards, for example. Stewart Baker 
>
>Anyone who has given this subject much consideration knows that today's threats are 
>not new and were already incorporated into informed views before September 11.  No 
>new threat has been identified, only fairly well known threats have been acted upon.  
>No credible reasons for reconsideration of the balance of security vs. civil rights 
>have been presented only propaganda.  It is only the dereliction of our news media 
>and government officials which has made the situation seem new to many citizens.  Too 
>bad military standards of justice aren't applied to all government employees.
>
>steve

StreetMail (triangulate this)

2001-10-18 Thread Incognito Innominatus


In the view of imminent remailer takeover/shutdown, here is a scheme that can 
piggyback on any entry/exit point and provide rather decent anonymity. Until I do 
exhaustive trademark research, let's call it StreetMail.

It has nothing to do with crypto. It just exploits anonymity that (still) exists for 
people using public streets.

Background: cheap residential 802.11b access points have significant outdoor range and 
cost around $200 (orinoco rg-1100; proxym skyline; apple airport ($300)). Orinoco 
seems to be the best choice because it provides ready ability to attach antenna.

All these can be configured to allow access to anyone. Also, it can be specified which 
kind of traffic is allowed (say, only port 8000).

By directing these access points to use in-house http proxy (like squid) that is 
configured to allow ONLY access to remailers and throwaway accounts (hotmail, 
yahoo,etc) all other use of public access is effectively prevented.

If antenna is placed close to the window the range should be around 100-200 meters in 
the open. An interested party could drive in the range and pickup/send e-mail at will.

Unlike with traditional remailers, where one must trust the operator, here the 
terrorist user controls anonymity herself. Who has seen you ? If you just walk by with 
a laptop who can ID you ? (use the radio card that has programmable MAC, like Orinoco 
gold.)

Best of all, the operator is automagically exonerated, since she has no way of knowing 
who is connecting to the WLAN. Until operating WLANs becomes a crime, that is.

The disadvantages are obvious - today's few active remailers are reachable from 
anywhere on the net. The proposed solution requires access point, server and always-on 
link (like DSL) and there should be one location per, say, half million inhabitants. 
The only difference between StreetMail this and those that chose to offer their DSL to 
the public (http://www.seattlewireless.net) is that StreetMail is far more 
restrictive, so you don't have to worry about your freaky neighbour serving gigs of 
Illegal Bits.

Now, the above can be set up in about half hour. Further enhancements require access 
to AP development toolkits (or playing with unix drivers for radio cards instead):

- limiting a single remote MAC to preset time and volume (like once every 6 hrs and no 
more than 100 kb per session (this also creates liability because logs will exist)

- using internal remailer with random delay, so she can escape

- bouncing traffic via radio links with nearby nodes.

etc.

Re: Books being banned on planes...

At 03:09 PM 10/18/01 -0700, j eric townsend wrote:
>How to get detained and miss your flight.
>Bring the wrong book with you:
>
>http://www.citypaper.net/articles/101801/news.godfrey.shtml

>Plus, Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulations
>stipulate that any passenger who jokes about explosives be arrested on
the spot. By
>contrast, Godfrey was never charged or even accused of breaking the
law. I

But the security personnel joke all they want.

I flew out of San Jose after they gotten national guardsmen.

Going through security, a security dude looks at my bottle of water,
opens it, sniffs it, and acts like he's just whiffed sarin.  Then
he smiles and puts it back in my bag.  I'm thinking, what an asshole,
if I did that I'd be screwed.  And I'm lucky no nervous guardsman
saw his stunt from across the room and didn't see the laugh
while he was slinging his M-16 around..

Wonder what they'll think if I bring my copy of _Demolition: the art of
demolishing
dismantling imploding toppling & razing_ by H. Liss & the Loizeauxs.
The cover
is a four-picture series of a hotel falling, less cleanly than the WTC
actually.  (But
it looks like it was brick.)

Or maybe _Why buildings fall down_ which has a B-25 bomber flying
into a skyscraper (ca. 1945).  Don't need Hollywood for that idea.

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread Julian Assange


> He's a gun-for-hire, not a doctrinaire blinders-on true believer for either 
> the surveillance enthusiasts or privacy freaks.

Oh, come off it.

Stu is a well known NSA zealot. The only reason there's a bridge
between Kapor and Baker is due to the cavernous ravine that lays
between them. Kapor is now apparently half-way across, following
Stu's silently bekoning finger, fearfully running from the sounds
of angels wings; fooled into believing that they lie behind and
not ahead of him.

--
 Julian Assange|If you want to build a ship, don't drum up people
   |together to collect wood or assign them tasks and
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |work, but rather teach them to long for the endless
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]  |immensity of the sea. -- Antoine de Saint Exupery

Reporters Without Borders Attacks U.S. Pact on Satellite Images


http://ap.tbo.com/ap/breaking/MGABC3LEZSC.html

Reporters Without Borders Attacks U.S. Pact on Satellite Images
  The Associated Press
 Published: Oct 18, 2001
PARIS (AP) - A media advocacy group on Thursday criticized the U.S.
military for buying exclusive rights to commercial satellite imagery of
Afghanistan and said the move amounts to censorship because it blocks
media access to views of the war zone.

Paris-based Reporters Without Borders urged Defense Secretary Donald H.
Rumsfeld to revoke a deal that gives the U.S. military sole access to
pictures taken by Ikonos - considered the most efficient civilian
satellite - that display the area involved in Operation Enduring
Freedom.

The Pentagon duty officer could not immediately be reached for comment
Thursday night.

"This contract, effective since the first day of U.S. military strikes
on Afghanistan, is a way of disguised censorship aimed at preventing the
media from doing their monitoring job," Reporters Without Borders
director Robert Menard said in a statement.

Though there are other imagery satellites with pictures for sale, Ikonos
pictures are considered the best available to civilians.

Re: "Expert" fooled by Bert Stego

2001-10-18 Thread Bill Stewart

At 01:47 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Optimizzin Al-gorithm wrote:
> >The Sesame Street character that has appeared in a huge poster with
> >Osama bin Laden is significant in that it is yellow and has a mask-like 
> quality.
> >And one can be certain that it was not placed on that huge poster by 
> accident,
> > as some people have stupidly suggested. It is a signal.
>
>Bert Stego?  Occam's razor, dude.

You're missing the fundamentals of conspiracy here -
the secret steganographically-hidden message in the Osama & Bert poster
*is* the picture of Bert :-)

But what does it *mean*?  Is it just to distract you from the fnords?
Osama doesn't use Occam's razor, after all.
Is it the basic principle that the reason you don't understand why
they've hidden Bert's picture in the picture of Bert
is that *that just shows how clever they are*?

Or is it something more subtle, more dangerous,
a denial of service attack cleverly designed to keep the experts
distracted by analyzing this South-West-Asian version of a koan,
looking beyond the picture of one puppet clapping to find the
invisible hand hidden inside, trying to see the fingerprints through
the cloth instead of looking around them at what's really happening
behind their backs.

Wheels within wheels, man.

By the way, there was iocaine powder in both glasses.

What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?

- Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -

From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: FC: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:41:09 -0700

[I agreed to delete Anonymous' name before posting, but it is fair to point 
out that Anonymous works for a company that is in some areas a competitor 
to ZKS. I offered ZKS the opportunity to reply; their response follows. My 
own thoughts: If ZKS wants to display tailored ads, it makes sense that 
Freedom clients will communicate with the mother ship on a more-or-less 
regular basis. This is what Eudora and Opera do, and what Freedom 3.0 
apparently does (I haven't used it). The question is whether users are 
aware of the potential privacy risks. --Declan]

Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 00:25:32 -0700
From: Anonymous
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Zero Knowledge Tracks Users with Freedom 3.0...

Declan,

Thought you'd be interested in this.

While playing with Zero Knowledge Systems' new
Freedom 3.0 privacy product, I noticed that it actually
notifies Zero Knowledge whenever you start
it up.  It sends a bunch of HTTP requests
(through the M$ IE subsystem, no less) to ZKS.

Here's a sample header:
GET 
http://www.zeroknowledge.com/client/3/redirect.asp?pid=2029&prn=0&ver=3.0.0&lang=en&event=1&url=1

User-Agent: Mozilla/4.0

Plus all the standard HTTP stuff -- IP address, date/time, etc.

This would also include any cookies set from
zeroknowledge.com, (which ZKS sets every time you go there),
but I filter cookies through the MEconomy system, so
I had none from them.

What's "pid" (I checked -- unrelated to my Win 2K process ID)?
What's prn?
What's "event"?
Why is s it being sent back to zeroknowledge EVERY time I start up Freedom?

Guess even the privacy good guys want to track you.

From: Dov Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Reply from Zero-Knowledge
Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 18:17:31 -0400

Hey Declan,

I want to start by saying that Zero-Knowledge absolutely does not track or
profile the users of its Freedom Privacy & Security Tools 3.0 software.

Our software loads updates (e.g. Ad Manager files and e-wallet scripts) as
well as privacy-related content via HTTP. This was the case with previous
versions of the software and is still true today, although today it may
appear more prominent since we have designed Freedom 3.0 with a new user
interface and are carrying more privacy content.

This HTTP activity is covered by our privacy policies.

As for cookies, Zero-Knowledge has always used cookies on its websites, for
the purposes of store-, affiliate- and state-management. These practices are
also reflected in our privacy policies.

Declan, if you still think this is worth forwarding on, I'd appreciate your
at least changing the subject header you sent me. The implication that
delivering web content means tracking users, is mistaken.

Best regards,

Dov

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  PR Director, Zero-Knowledge Systems
  514.350.7553 / [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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  Dec. 3-5, 2001 in Montreal
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Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:35:37 -0700
From: Anonymous
To: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Reply from Zero-Knowledge

My comments integrated below:

 > >I want to start by saying that Zero-Knowledge absolutely does not track or
 > >profile the users of its Freedom Privacy & Security Tools 3.0 software.

Whenever I turn on Freedom, which, by default, happens when I boot,
it sends a message to ZKS.  EVERY time.  How, again, is this not "tracking"
of my usage behaviour?  How is ZKS knowing every time I boot up that I've
got Freedom 3.0 installed not something they can build a profile about?

 > >Our software loads updates (e.g. Ad Manager files and e-wallet scripts) as
 > >well as privacy-related content via HTTP. This was the case with previous
 > >versions of the software and is still true today, although today it may
 > >appear more prominent since we have designed Freedom 3.0 with a new user
 > >interface and are carrying more privacy content.

I can't comment on Freedom 2.0, but this doesn't change any of
my comments.

 > >This HTTP activity is covered by our privacy policies.

I don't doubt it.

 > >As for cookies, Zero-Knowledge has always used cookies on its websites, for
 > >the purposes of store-, affiliate- and state-management. These 
practices are
 > >also reflected in our privacy policies.

And EVERY time I turn on my Freedom client (usually at startup) it
sends a request, info I don't have a clue about (And those cookies, when
the domain in zeroknowledge.com and when I use IE as my browser, are sent
back to ZKS whenever they're in my IE cache and I open ZKS.

And, of course, there's the

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

Huh? I've known Stu for years. I've been on panels with him
(http://www.mccullagh.org/image/950-17/aba-netspionage-broadcast.html)
and have debated him (http://www.politechbot.com/p-02518.html).
I'm hardly being "generous" to say that even evil trial balloons are
ueful to know about.

-Declan

On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 10:06:58PM -0700, Tabla bin Rasa wrote:
> At 12:54 AM 10/19/01 -0400, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> >On Thu, Oct 18, 2001 at 05:43:22PM -0700, Greg Broiles wrote:
> >> If the FBI really is preparing for a domestic surveillance
> initiative,
> >> hearing about that months in advance is a lot more helpful than yet
> another
> >> incompatible peer-to-peer content distribution system.
> >
> >Greg makes an excellent point. Think of it as an early warning.
> 
> You're being generous to the launcher of an evil trial balloon
> because he is a personable guy.

Re: Stu Baker on CALEA and the Net

2001-10-18 Thread keyser-soze


At 03:48 PM 10/18/2001 -0700, Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"FBI requires ISPs to permit easy surveillance; EFF founder agrees"
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02671.html

>"Stu Baker replies to Politech post on ISPs and EFF founder"
http://www.politechbot.com/p-02672.html

>From: "Baker, Stewart" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: "Albertazzie, Sally" 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: RE: FBI requires ISPs to permit easy 
>surveillance; EFF founder ag rees Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:52:52 -0400 Declan, I 
>guess I ought to know what Mitch said and didn't say at this event. In fact, I took 
>Mitch's remarks as an olive branch and an invitation to more civil discourse now that 
>we have a keener sense of how much unites rather than divides us. He didn't say he 
>was willing to abandon principle for expediency. He did say that he defines himself 
>as many things, and civil liberties advocate is (just) one of them. He also said he 
>is open to reconsidering his views in the aftermath of September 11. Well, who isn't? 
>Only an ideologue would refuse to reconsider his views in the light of new data (or 
>would accuse those who do of abandoning principles for expediency). But in fact, 
>Mitch held up the civil !
liberties end of the discussion with dignity and moderation, offering a determined 
argument against national id cards, for example. Stewart Baker 

Anyone who has given this subject much consideration knows that today's threats are 
not new and were already incorporated into informed views before September 11.  No new 
threat has been identified, only fairly well known threats have been acted upon.  No 
credible reasons for reconsideration of the balance of security vs. civil rights have 
been presented only propaganda.  It is only the dereliction of our news media and 
government officials which has made the situation seem new to many citizens.  Too bad 
military standards of justice aren't applied to all government employees.

steve

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Re: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?

2001-10-18 Thread John Kozubik


Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't this a moot point ?  I was under the
impression that ZKS was going to pull the plug sometime in the very near
future.

-
John Kozubik - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.kozubik.com



On Fri, 19 Oct 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> - Forwarded message from Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -
> 
> From: Declan McCullagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: FC: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:41:09 -0700
> 
> 
> [I agreed to delete Anonymous' name before posting, but it is fair to point 
> out that Anonymous works for a company that is in some areas a competitor 
> to ZKS. I offered ZKS the opportunity to reply; their response follows. My 
> own thoughts: If ZKS wants to display tailored ads, it makes sense that 
> Freedom clients will communicate with the mother ship on a more-or-less 
> regular basis. This is what Eudora and Opera do, and what Freedom 3.0 
> apparently does (I haven't used it). The question is whether users are 
> aware of the potential privacy risks. --Declan]

Re: What info does Zero Knowledge collect on users of Freedom 3.0?