RE: Smallpox?
"Dr. Evil" wrote: > One interesting point is that you could > make your own [smallpox] vaccine in > various ways. One is to infect yourself > with cowpox, a related disease which is > not harmful to humans, but which confers > immunity... Sounds like a market opportunity for some enterprising Cypherpunk. So Doctor, where do I get cowpox? S a n d y
FBI monitoring "extremist" groups
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 07:50 AM, Subcommander Bob wrote: > At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >>> >>> And who would be "we" ? And who are "they" ? >> >> We - The People. >> They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow "the people" > up >> and has warranted a threat-rating. >> Some proposals fit into the apocalyptic visions of some groups. Shades > of >> PROJECT MEGIDDO and so forth. > > Well write it up in your thesis, or your report to your handlers. How > many > 'groups' do you monitor 'Ms. Aimee'? Last time I checked, she/he was planted in four (4) "extremist" groups. She/he may be in more, using other names. --Tim May
And now for something completely different...
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:02 AM, dmolnar wrote: > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > >> I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th >> I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the >> harbor, >> and main route to Boston airport). No stops, no noticable extra >> security. > > Oh! I'm sorry for not making that clear. I am posting from NYC. Despite > the Harvard e-mail address, I am in NYC and will be here for the year. > It's always the last war that's being fought. Never more true than now, where the focus is on fingernail clippers and on New York City. (BTW, I am watching on CNN the implementation of a "car pools only" rule for cars and trucks entering NYC. Vehicles with just a single driver will be not be allowed to cross the bridges or enter the tunnels. Gee, this means the attackers will have to find an accomplice to ride along with them...now where would they possibly find _that_?) The attackers pulled off the 911 attack with skill and boldness. (No, I am not endorsing what they did. But I find the claims that they were "stupid" to be dangerous and, well, stupid.) The likelihood is that the the couple of hundred (or more, estimated by "Newsweek" from sources) sleepers will do something completely different, something planned months ago and ready to be carried out. I could easily speculate what Rounds Two and Three might look like, and have on other lists. New York will probably not be the target this upcoming time. --Tim May
PRIMARY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT PETITION FORM (25).html
Title: PRIMARY FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT PETITION FORM primaryfundamentalright.org PRESS RELEASE MONDAY, 10TH SEPTEMBER, 2001 Sydney, Australia. THE DRUG WARS: THE NEW WORLD WAR. THE US GOVERNMENT VS THE FREE WORLD. THE 13th AMENDMENT: THE KEY TO COMMONSENSE. A Sydney man claims that the 13th Amendment of the American Constitution could overturn all drug-related and victimless crime convictions in the USA and bring to a halt the destructive American financed 'World War on Drugs'. Bernard W. Palmer, a 57-year-old photocopier repairman and father of five girls, reveals the reasons on his 'petition against the drug wars' web site located at: http://www.primaryfundamentalright.org/ "The 13th Amendment forbids slavery, or the owning of someone else's body. So, if it's your body, it's your business what you do to it. Therefore, anyone prosecuted for a drug offence, illicit consensual sex, not wearing a seat belt or many of the other victimless crimes, have been prosecuted illegally." He continued, "the 13th Amendment proclaims that; 'Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." He believes we are all born with certain rights and the first one must be that we are all born free. Therefore, only we can decide what can be put into or removed from our bodies (or our real parents if still a child), and that no laws should exist that hinder this right. "The 9th Amendment allows for the existence of such a right as the 'Primary Fundamental Right'," he said. IX - Rule of construction of Constitution. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people. "Because people have signed this petition and they retain the ideal of a 'Primary Fundamental Right', it's existence has now become obvious. The PFR lives in all of us, it is the first of the 'self-evident truths'. James Madison, the main architect of the American Constitution and the first ten amendments of the Bill of Rights appears to have failed to see that the biggest attack on individual freedoms would come from restrictive laws on what you can do to your own body. But, had he put forward an amendment stating that "we are all born free and own our own bodies" it would have undoubtedly failed because many States wanted slavery. Because of that he possibly deliberately overlooked a PFR type amendment. He did go on to compose the 9th Amendment apparently so that something like the PFR could be introduced in freer times. It also appears he guessed correctly how freedom would again meet its opposition. He said that the greatest threat to freedom would be from the "majority against the minority". "The majority of people become accustomed to poor circumstances, no matter how bad they are, and any major changes even for the better often scares them." Palmer speculated, "and the time has probably passed when American politicians could have changed into statesmen and stopped America turning back into a police like state as it was in 1775." He continued, "once more the prospect arises that those who want real freedom will have to fight for it, not only for themselves but for everyone else, whether the people want it or not. Thomas Jefferson, the architect of the Declaration of Independence, wrote of these men and despotic rule, " it is their right, it is their duty to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security." Under the 13th Amendment convicts have virtually no rights and can be treated as slaves by their jailers. Fortunately, the United States, as part of the General Assembly of the United Nations, has adopted and proclaimed the 'Universal Declaration of Human Rights', which bans all forms of slavery, worldwide. "Both declarations shouldn't exist at the same time. I believe precedent has it that usually an international treaty or obligation would invalidate a conflicting national law." It is because of the 13th Amendment that convicts are used as cheap labor in many jails across America. This could also be one of the reasons for the harsh anti-drug laws. Jail shares have been an excellent investment because for a long time they have been guaranteed a good supply of convicts even though crime rates have been dropping for the last 8 years. The politicians made sure they kept the prisoners coming by using 'cruel and unusual punishments' such as mandatory sentences and 3 strikes. Even these laws are illegal according to the 8th Amendment; VIII - Excessive bail, cruel punishment.Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. He speculates that if the prison population drops too far the politicians will be forced to introduce even harsher prison terms simply because t
Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 11:03:03PM -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: > It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI > during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional > sources. The FBI is responsible for counterterrorism efforts in the U.S. They have received billions in this area, one of the most rapidly-growing in their budgets. They have failed miserably. It makese sense, as I said in a BBC interview last week, not to hold them in "disdain," but not to whitewash their failure either. That said, it's hardly unreasonable for Americans to help the FBI (a flight school instructor who recognizes the names of some of his former students in the media might well want to phone the FBI). But cypherpunks can't be blamed for being critical of the FBI's counterrorist efforts so far. -Declan
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Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:07:49PM -0700, Tim May wrote: > None. You are not obligated to make serving papers convenient. You can > be out of the country, you can leave by limousine from an underground > garage, you can crawl out you bathroom window. This is, as the lawyers > say, "black letter law." There's an entertaining aside that happened in Hawaii during WWII during a conflict between civilian and military law. The US Marshals, on behalf of the civil courts, tried to serve a military commander with a subpoena. The officer ordered troops to block the marshal from walking onto the porch, while he escaped through a side exit to a waiting car. -Declan
Get Real
This discussion about talking to the FBI has me ROTFLMAO. I feel like I'm watching a John Wayne movie with its simplified moral categories of good and evil. Why not say that cooperation is dependent upon the situation? Exercise your judgement. Witness to a hit and run : "I wrote the make, model and license number down - here's a copy" Witness to a victimless crime : "What? Dunno, wasn't paying attention." Witness to a pie in the face delivery for a politician : "It was great! The pieman? Dunno, I was too busy laughing!" Questioned as part of some future anti-crypto fishing expedition : "Piss off" Our governments and its agents are not 100% an enemy - they're just very prone to bad behavior and require close watching and a vocal constituency. Mike
Re: Smallpox?
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 10:12:29AM -0700, Tim May wrote: > (I note that most of the CNBC reporters I see everyday talk about their > commutes in from outlying areas, mostly in areas of New Jersey about > 15-50 miles west of NYC. And no doubt many who work in NYC choose to > live in Connecticutt, out on Long Island, etc. New York folks certainly > know more about this than I do.) > > I wonder if these attacks, with more to come, will push more people into > what social theorists have been talking about for decades, the flight > from the city. In recent years, much has been made of the reverse > flight, the gentrification of former ghetto areas in cities. This trend > may reverse yet again. A relative of mine works in midtown Manhattan and lives in the city. He has a 20 minute subway commute each morning, which is what I had when I worked at Time and other jobs in downtown DC. Perfectly reasonable, by city standards. A friend emailed me this yesterday: >Guess what? There are massive police checkpoints >going into >New York City today (maybe out of the city as >well?). People are >reporting it's taking them 5 1/2 hours to get from >Queens >to Westchester, etc. Traffic had re-normalized a >bit before >this. My relative added this: >Still quite evident this morning. Brooklyn Bridge, which was opened, >is again closed to emergency traffic only. Sharp increase in police on >underground from Brooklyn to Manhattan. I spoke with a cpunk today on the phone, who told me that one of the two tunnels (Lincoln or Hudson, don't remember which) connecting Manhattan with the rest of the world to the west was still closed to all but emergency vehicles. That leaves one tunnel and the GW bridge to the west, with the Brooklyn bridge closed to the east. Couple that with serious car searches and the resulting delays, and you've got a very good reason to move far away. In DC, things aren't that bad. Road closings near the Pentagon (I-395) have snarled traffic in the area and led to Metro opening at 4:30 am to get people to work on time. But coming in and out of the city through other routes outside of rush hour, which I've done twice this week, is same as usual. -Declan
Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
"Karsten M. Self" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I was spooning from the top of my head. It's more generally known as > the RSA public key encryption patent, released by RSA September 6, 2000: > > http://www.rsasecurity.com/news/pr/000906-1.html > > I don't have the patent number handy but could reference it for you if > necessary. It's patent number 4405829. Interestingly enough, that's a prime number.j -- Riad Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT VI-2/A 2002
Re: Smallpox?
David Honig wrote optimistically: >Zero unemployment, rents drop in cities, and smooth >skin becomes even more desirable. Not if New York City leaders get their way: high rents, pestilence, repulsive jobs, diseased bodies, will continue as intended for the Apple like other great cities of the world, with increased lies about their magnificence. Which they are for a few world class bloodsuckers who visit the scenes of their poisonous crimes now and then, bedhop ghouls at $30M pied a terres, spread their pox among the financial, legal and house help. Few of the titans rushing to rebuild New York live there full time, wise ones they are to remain missing.
Aimee == FBI?
>It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI >during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional >sources. > "we" --- do you mean "WE ALL need..." or "WE AT THE FBI need..." Or am I behind the curve on this one? You-all may have determined this some time ago, sorry if I missed the posts. >In some cases, maybe FBI agents are an inappropriate vehicle for
Re: Smallpox?
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 11:43 AM, John Young wrote:
> David Honig wrote optimistically:
>
>> Zero unemployment, rents drop in cities, and smooth
>> skin becomes even more desirable.
>
> Not if New York City leaders get their way: high rents,
> pestilence, repulsive jobs, diseased bodies, will continue
> as intended for the Apple like other great cities of the
> world, with increased lies about their magnificence.
> Which they are for a few world class bloodsuckers
> who visit the scenes of their poisonous crimes now
> and then, bedhop ghouls at $30M pied a terres, spread
> their pox among the financial, legal and house help.
> Few of the titans rushing to rebuild New York live there
> full time, wise ones they are to remain missing.
>
As I write, this instant, I can see Monterey across the patch of the bay
that lies between my house and that peninsula. Crystal clear blue skies
and a mild temperature. The glorious Santa Lucia Mountains, rising up
from Big Sur. At night, the lights of the Monterey Bay Aquarium
twinkling in the distance, the lights of the squid boats in the Bay. In
the other directions, bucolic hillsides with scattered homes, farms,
apple orchards, and a few vineyards. Three hundred feet below me, a
country road winding its way into the redwoods.
Upwind of me, where the bad stuff would blow in from, open space,
forests, and then the Pacific Ocean. 80% of the time the winds are from
this direction.
If I need to visit a more densepacked area, I have Monterey and Salinas
to the south, Santa Cruz about 15 miles away, and San Jose/Palo
Alto/Mountain View/Silicon Valley over a ridge, about 40 miles away. For
a trip into Gomorrah, San Francisco is 80 miles north, either up the
beautiful coast route or inland via Silicon Valley.
I can't see why the alleged advantages of NYC ("You can get felafel at 4
in the morning!") could ever justify living in such a antheap, such a
deviation from what a hundred thousand years of evolution prepared us
for.
(I note that most of the CNBC reporters I see everyday talk about their
commutes in from outlying areas, mostly in areas of New Jersey about
15-50 miles west of NYC. And no doubt many who work in NYC choose to
live in Connecticutt, out on Long Island, etc. New York folks certainly
know more about this than I do.)
I wonder if these attacks, with more to come, will push more people into
what social theorists have been talking about for decades, the flight
from the city. In recent years, much has been made of the reverse
flight, the gentrification of former ghetto areas in cities. This trend
may reverse yet again.
If, as many of us expect, one of the upcoming attacks is biological,
expect more to flee to outlying areas.
Cities are just such perfect soft targets.
--Tim May
RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror
>Part of our problem in regard to U.S.-based domestic terrorism and militia >groups has been our prosecutorial or military "snatch" mindset. We need to >attack their strategy, rather than engage in actions that legitimize their >world views, incite action, encourage radicalization and facilitate >recruitment. And who would be "we" ? And who are "they" ? You seem to have some conclusive evidence ... care to share with "us" ? >This is a WAR On Terrorism -- not a Keystone Cop chase. I believe that any No, Ms. Propaganda, this is not war, this is bullshit. It is (according to the past history) a natural path for the empire to gradually become a police state because of dissent (which the state, naturally, labels as "terrorism"). This progresses until internal pressure builds up to the point of disintegration. Nothing new here, except that US managed to do in 60 years what took others centuries. While it is easy to understand why the feeble-minded gather around the official story (and flag-waving politicians) when they feel threatened by dark & hairy foreigners, it should be obvious that such grouping is the main long-term consequence of "terrorism", and that the state is the principal profiteer. It is impossible for USG to "attack their strategy" while remaining USG. And I can not see a single reason that would compell USG to do so.
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Re: Get Real
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 10:58 AM, Steve Furlong wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> This discussion about talking to the FBI has me ROTFLMAO. I feel like >> I'm watching a John Wayne movie with its simplified moral categories of >> good and evil. Why not say that cooperation is dependent upon the >> situation? Exercise your judgement. > > Exactly. I was rolling my eyes rather than my ass , but it works out > the same. > > The first two examples that came to my mind were kidnaping and security > clearance background checks. While one may debate whether kidnaping > should be a federal crime, it _is_, and it's the Feebs' job to > investigate it. Similarly with background checks for clearances. > Perfectly valid reasons to talk to the Feebs. Only if you know your coworker or neighbor is a spy. I've refused to answer questions about neighbors when they were being checked out by the FBI. I told the agents, this was in the mid-80s, that I had no interest in speculating to them about a person I knew only in passing. I expect a lot of background checks get idle speculation from bluehairs and busybodies. --Tim May
RE: Preparedness
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Trei, Peter wrote: > I don't know if David is posting from Cambridge/Boston, but on the 15th > I drove through the Callahan tunnel (major road tunnel under the harbor, > and main route to Boston airport). No stops, no noticable extra security. Oh! I'm sorry for not making that clear. I am posting from NYC. Despite the Harvard e-mail address, I am in NYC and will be here for the year. -David
stego messages on news.admin.net-abuse.misc
There are a lot of postings like this one. The poetry is very excellent perhaps? Dylan Thomas meets PeterWayner at Starbucks in Palo Alto. >We eerily shoot behind slow discarded >cybercafes. Alice will >sneakily post in back of Francine when the >chosen LANs twist >in front of the minor website. The keypads, >rebels, and PGPs are all >sharp and chaotic. Who trains actually, when >Simon examines the >bizarre ActiveX over the cafe? One more secure >cable or cyberspace, and she'll >deeply smile everybody. Where did Lawrence save >the keyhole >behind the stuck machine? Don't inflate the >functions annually, >burst them cruelly. I'd rather consume >halfheartedly than vexate with >Christopher's fake hacker. Hey, governments >spool about orthodox >fields, unless they're clear. The ignorant bug >rarely manages >Roxanne, it disappears Annabel instead. He will >disrupt wastefully if >Jeremy's BASIC isn't messy. It's very >surreptitious today, I'll >negotiate grudgingly or Woody will eat the >outputs. Maify, have a >lost user. You won't start it. Austin will >bind the blank noise and >learn it beneath its satellite. Until Margaret >insulates the >firewalls usably, Angela won't pump any secret >windows. Lots of >pathetic interrupts are important and other >usable discs are >foolish, but will Carol sell that? What will we >type after Lawrence >transports the lazy zone's fax machine? What >will you kill the >powerful rogue monitors before Bonita does? >Excelsior floats, then >Janet simply generates a haphazard computer for >Beth's buffer.
Re: Smallpox?
> Sounds like a market opportunity for some enterprising Cypherpunk. > So Doctor, where do I get cowpox? >From cows, of course! Edward Jenner, in the late 1700s, noticed that milkmaids tended to have resistance to smallpox, so he took some cowpox pus from a milkmaid named Sarah Nelmes, and injected it into a boy, who then became immune to smallpox. You would have to do some research into cowpox to see what is the best way to do this, and where you might find infected cattle. Modern cattle raising is probably a lot more disease-free than it used to be, but maybe you could find samples in less developed countries. I would imagine you could buy some cowpox cultures from various bio research supply companies, but that would probably attract a lot of attention these days. Even earlier, Chinese doctors found that they could achieve resistance by snorting dried pus from smallpox victims. Drying it must have been enough to inactivate the virus. There is so much literature (going back hundreds of years) on smallpox that it should be pretty easy to come up with a safe, reliable recipe. The problem now is that you will attract a _lot_ of attention trying to buy the ingredients, so you may need to be sneaky about it. Even buying plain old lab glassware requires a permit these days (thank you War on Drugs!). It does sound like a good biz opportunity, but you would have to do it all in a country without liability laws or an FDA. It might be hard to find a qualified biologist willing to do the work, and it would be hard to find a host country for this, because they would be accused of sponsoring biowarfare research.
Call for Presentations: CODECON 2002
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Forwarded from linux-elitists. - CALL FOR PRESENTATIONS: CODECON 2002 http://www.codecon.org/ Please forward wherever applicable. CodeCon 2002, scheduled for February 15, 16, and 17 in San Francisco, California, is the premier event in 2002 for the P2P, cypherpunk, and network/security application developer community. It is a workshop for developers of real-world applications that support individual liberties. During the first two days, our policy is "bring your own code"; while those not demonstrating software are welcome to attend, the focus is primarily on developer discussion. The final day of the workshop is intended to be more inclusive, consisting of public and press demonstrations, interviews, panels and a public session allowing a larger number of presenters to demonstrate their projects in a more informal setting. All presentations must be accompanied by functional applications, ideally open source. Presenters must be one of the active developers of the code in question. CodeCon strongly encourages presenters from non-commercial and academic backgrounds to attend for the purposes of collaboration and the sharing of knowledge by providing free registration to workshop presenters and highly-discounted registration to full-time students. Public session presenters and approved members of the press will receive free registration for the public session on Sunday. IMPORTANT DATES Submissions open: 1 October 2001 Final submission deadline: 1 January 2002 Final notification of acceptance: 15 January 2002 Conference begins:15 February 2002 Public session and public demonstrations: 17 February 2002 Post-conference web-based proceedings: 15 March 2002 SUGGESTED TOPICS The focus of CodeCon is on running applications which: * use one or more of: cryptography, steganography, distributed network architectures, peer to peer communications, anonymity or pseudonymity * enhance individual power and liberty * can be discussed freely, either by virtue of being open source or having a published protocol, and preferably free of intellectual property restrictions * are generally useful, either directly to a large number of users, or as an example of technology applicable to a larger audience Examples of excellent presentations include Mixmaster remailers and extensions, OpenNap, Swarmcast, Mojo Nation, Magic Money, and OpenPGP applications. Novelty in technical approaches, security assumptions, and end-user functionality are excellent properties. Presentations about basic technologies, such as a new cipher or hash, non-interesting vulnerabilities in existing applications, or discussions of unimplemented protocols are better suited for other conferences. The guidelines for the CodeCon public session on Sunday are less stringent than the main workshop; presentations which are more tangential to CodeCon's focus may be accepted. FORMAT OF PRESENTATIONS (main workshop) Paper and Q&A - - For those most comfortable with a traditional conference format, we will accept papers up to 25 pages. We encourage HTML or plain ASCII submissions, but can accept PostScript, PDF, or LaTeX. We will distribute papers in advance of the conference, and will provide 30 or 60 minutes for discussion and Q&A, at the presenter's discretion. In exceptional cases, we will accept anonymous papers and conduct either a non-directed discussion or a Q&A session directed by proxy. All papers should be accompanied by source code or an application. When possible, we would prefer that the application be available for interactive use during the workshop, either on a presenter-provided demonstration machine or one of the conference kiosks. Additionally, during the paper presentation, some use of this demo must be made; it may be relatively brief, but a demonstration of the running application is essential. Interactive demo - In addition to the traditional conference paper format, we encourage highly interactive presentations. Throughout the event, we will have several kiosks and local servers available for demonstration purposes. We also strongly encourage presenters to bring their own hardware. Application demos can be up to 20 minutes, followed by a period of up to 40 minutes for Q&A, which can include demonstration of additional features of the application not covered in the main presentation. If desired by the presenter, we can distribute URLs of applications several days before the workshop to allow attendees to familiarize themselves with the basics of applications prior to the workshop sessions. Panel - - In areas where multiple projects fall roughly in the same domain, the most efficient presentation may be a panel with one or m
RE: Smallpox?
Doh! > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: 26 September, 2001 12:53 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: Smallpox? > > > On 26 Sep 2001, at 9:09, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > > > > Sounds like a market opportunity for some enterprising Cypherpunk. So > > Doctor, where do I get cowpox? > > > > > > S a n d y > > > Obviously, from a cow! > > George
RE: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
You can easily avoid visits by mormons because their missionary strategy is a pattern -- if you see two young-ish people with black nametags walking down the street, that's them. Anecdote: a friend of mine (who subscribes to this list) had a bad scare on 9/11 -- his doorbell rang and he saw through the peep-hole that three men in black suits with stern looks on their faces were waiting at the door. As he reached for the phone to auto-dial his lawyer, he opened the door to discover it was... Jehovah's Witnesses. Now all you FBI moles, take that as a lesson to show up on my doorstep in your 'Got Root?' t-shirts you bought at DEFCON last year... t 07:28 PM 9/25/01 -0700, David Honig wrote: >At 09:42 PM 9/25/01 -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > >At 6:06 PM -0700 9/25/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: > >>Whether you take my approach or Tim's approach isn't all that important. > > >I personally don't answer my door unless I recognize them. Of course > >I realize that I'm missing scintillating conversation with Mormons, > >Jehovah Witnesses and the occasional vacuum cleaner salesman. > >You only get visited by Mormons if you have a history with them.
Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
[My apologies to the list for continuing this thread. I should know better.] On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > Incorrect. There is no PGP/MIME support in Outlook, and the Eudora > > PGP/MIME handling is less than perfect. > > My information is different, though I've not used Outlook in some years. Your information is wrong. > I know several people who do, one of whom also uses PGP, RFC 2015 MIME > encoded: > > http://rmarq.pair.com/pgp/mail-clients-pgp.html > http://www.spinnaker.de/mutt/rfc2015.html Did you bother to read either of those websites before citing them? The first one states that PGP/MIME support in Outlook is "Unknown to the author." The second states that it isn't supported, though the author of the page has "heard a rumor" that it is. Do you routinely start debates based on second hand rumors? I'm unclear on what you are trying to demonstrate by referring us to those pages. They contradict your beliefs. > ...including MS Outlook Express (plugin) and MS Outlook (plugin), It is not possible to do PGP/MIME with these apps. Take a look at M$'s mail plugin API, and you will see why. > > "PKI Patent?" Do elaborate on this for us. > > Public key infrastructure. Very good. I'm glad you know what the acronym stands for. That doesn't change the fact that RSA doesn't have any "patent on PKI". [Though yes, I'm sure they have a slew of patents on specific features of their PKI apps. If I don't say that, someone's going to nit.] > I was spooning from the top of my head. It's more generally known as > the RSA public key encryption patent, released by RSA September 6, 2000: > > http://www.rsasecurity.com/news/pr/000906-1.html My apologies. I sometimes forget that people can't hear me snickering when I am sending email. You weren't expected to answer that question. > I don't have the patent number handy but could reference it for you if > necessary. #4,405,829. http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/dir.2000.09.04-2000.09.10/msg00125.html Seasoned members of the cypherpunks list are intimately familiar with RSA's crypto patents. > There were doubtless other issues. The patent didn't help. No, the patent was completely irrelevant. For non-commercial apps, there was RSAREF. For commercial apps, BSAFE was available with a license. For those who didn't want to deal with the RSA patent, there were other public key algorithms. The Diffie/Hellman/Merkle patents expired years ago. RSA (the company)'s patents may have caused developers to use algorithms like DSS, ElGamal, and Diffie-Hellman rather than RSA (the algorithm), or limited the adoption of Rivest's later algorithms (which were not nearly as ground-breaking), but saying that a patent on one algorithm prevented (or even significantly impacted) the adoption of cryptographic functions in email clients is patently absurd. BTW, S/MIME (with, *gasp*, RSA) has been available in most commercial mail clients for years. > > This will get you killfiled. > > I"m willing to risk that. Responses have varied, most people appreciate > the information (they simply don't know the inssues). Maybe one in ten > responds as you suggest. I try to provide compelling content, where > possible. > You've got arguments against signing? Again, pointers appreciated. That isn't what this discussion is about. We've been talking about arguments against signing in a manner incompatible with the tools the majority of your readers are using, not arguments against signing in general. Though there are plenty of those as well. And again, my pointer: http://www.inet-one.com/cypherpunks/ in conjunction with google. > > We're on an English-language mailing list. > > So you're going to disable all MIME handling in your mailer? Once again, you're confusing the issue. MIME *handling* isn't what we are discussing. MIME *creation* is. I am going to, and do, avoid sending MIME attachments to public lists. > > > - It's not the root problem. The root problem is mail clients > > > which handle untrusted content in an insecure fashion. This > > > is like dousing 75% of the population with gasoline, then > > > placing match-confiscating personnel at the doors of all > > > public arenas. The problem isn't the matches. It's the > > > gasoline. > > > > That's an absurd analogy. > > That's an astounding proof. Proof? No proof. All I see is hyperbole. First of all, there is nothing insecure with the way RFC 2440 specifies message creation. The benefits that PGP/MIME offers mainly take effect when MIME is already being used for other reasons -- i.e., signing of messages with attachments, etc. PGP/MIME offers no benefits when it is a plain text ASCII email being signed. People who march around the net using incompatible, irrelevant, or otherwise inconvenient protocols and subject others to the cruft these protocols generate, all in the name of "standards compliance" and "standards evangelization" are in fact hurt
Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
Meyer Wolfsheim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - It's not that Mutt doesn't play well with others (and yes, I'm aware > > No, it's Mutt users who don't play well with others. Be fair. I rewrote much of the PGP functionality in Mutt just so I could send PGP-signed messages to this list without pissing people off. Never mind that I was subsequently convinced that doing so is not useful, just as I'm sure this person soon will be. :-) In any case, if anyone wants my patch for Mutt that will give you the option to keep it from including the "MIME encrustations" (in the words of Tim May), just ask and I'll send it to you. -- Riad Wahby [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIT VI-2/A 2002
Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
On Wednesday, September 26, 2001, at 08:03 AM, David Honig wrote: > I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they > approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally > you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people > away. Not sure about how long you can linger at a closed door. > Does lingering become harassment? I agree that it is not trespass if the driveway is ungated/unlocked...one is inviting others to come and knock on the door, deliver packages, etc. However, as you said, if they have been told to leave then they are trespassing if they remain. > Aside, on property rights: I learned that in LA county the > county Vector Control (ie, mosquito) people can come onto your property > to sample standing water, if they suspect it; and even add fish to your > standing water (eg birdbath) pools. I've had the fire department wandering through my back yard. I saw a guy in a blue uniform walking around my back yard, so I yelled "Can I help you?" He told me he was doing a routine inspection of brush near my property. This reminded me I needed to get a gate installed in an arched door that is the only access to my back yard. ObProcrastination: I still haven't done this, as I want a custom grillwork gate made by a welder/ironworker. BTW, my understanding of the law is that the police/sheriff/FBI cannot (repeat: cannot) use these authorized administrative accesses (mosquito control, fire department, Child Protective Services, even Immigration) as "cover" for their own bypassing-the-Fourth inspections. >> (If I see someone skulking around on my property, I would be morally >> justified in shooting them, of course. Demanding that they leave, >> from a >> window, and threatening to shoot is probably not actionable even in >> today's weird legal climate. Actually shooting them, while morally >> justified, is proably not wise.) > > You could peer from a window with a rifle pointing at the sky, but > I'd be careful about pointing it towards even uninvited visitors. > > This thread is an advertisement for big noisy dogs, too. The neighbor closer to the main road than I am has just such a big, noisy dog. "Shadow" is part-wolf, and is mean, vicious, and loud. However, he is so uncontrollable that the owner keeps him locked up in his back yard, where he runs from one side to another and barks. Twice in my six years here the dog has "gotten out," approaching me menacingly and causing me to back up slowly and look around for me the nearest heavy stick to defend myself with. (My neighbor even said, "If Shadow ever gets out and tries to attack you, just shoot him." I think the owner and his two young boys would really rather have a more normal dog they could take with them on walks, let inside the house, and treat as a pet.) The point being, dogs are usually either so vicious they are chained or locked-up, or are docile enough to just wag their tails when the nice men in the FBI suits approach. Anyway, my cats would probably not like a dog around. Nor would I. (Dogs are fine, but they take a lot of care and they interfere with trips away from home.) As for holding a rifle, the law is about "brandishing." It's legal to have a rifle or handgun on one's person, but not to point it at a person or threaten to. Chief Justice Warren Burger used to answer the door at his Washington-area house with a handgun in his hand. (I lived in the area at the time, but I don't remember if he lived in Viriginia, where handguns are legal, or in D.C., where they are not, or in Maryland, with various fascist gun laws. He no doubt could have gotten one of the various exemptions, as he was not one of the proles.) I've answered my door a couple of times with a pistol in a waist (W.A.S.T.E.?) holster. Some startled looks, but no one has called 911 on me. Or at least no cops have arrived to question me about wearing a handgun. (For the curious, it is not a violation of the carry laws to have a handgun on one's person in one's own property, even, interestingly, a tent. Unless barred by other laws (National Parks, etc.). --Tim May
Re: Smallpox?
At 10:17 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Harmon Seaver wrote: > So what's the deal with smallpox anyway? When I was a >kid we all got innoculated against it, and it was supposed >to be a lifetime thing. Not sure about that, but: > Did they stop vaccinating everyone for smallpox at some >point? > Yes.
Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
At 10:07 PM 9/25/01 -0700, Tim May wrote: > >Not answering the door makes them _at least_ wait until one has to leave. > >Oh, and they can't wait _on_ your property, now can they? That would be >trespassing. > I think its not trespass until you've advised them to leave, if they approach a door. Don't know about signage by your driveway; locally you need a 3 signs per mile (IIRC) on your property to keep people away. Not sure about how long you can linger at a closed door. Does lingering become harassment? Aside, on property rights: I learned that in LA county the county Vector Control (ie, mosquito) people can come onto your property to sample standing water, if they suspect it; and even add fish to your standing water (eg birdbath) pools. > >I have about a 200-foot driveway from my house to the semi-public road >serving our hill. They can't wait _on_ my property, without trespassing. If you had a gate with sign, probably not. But an open driveway is ok. When I was ~10 my dad, who recognized a server, sent me out to tell the guy to leave. (We had a similarly long driveway.) He left. It was cool. >This means I can get in my car and get out without being served. (There >is no requirement that a car window be rolled down to receive papers.) Cypherpunks don't talk to strangers. Except to tell them to go away. Maybe using a voice-changer to say that. >(If I see someone skulking around on my property, I would be morally >justified in shooting them, of course. Demanding that they leave, from a >window, and threatening to shoot is probably not actionable even in >today's weird legal climate. Actually shooting them, while morally >justified, is proably not wise.) You could peer from a window with a rifle pointing at the sky, but I'd be careful about pointing it towards even uninvited visitors. This thread is an advertisement for big noisy dogs, too.
Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Duncan Frissell wrote: > In the case of peace officer questioning, you can just ask them to leave. > No need to hide. > > The main reason not to invite peace officers in is because of the risk > they might see something which would give rise to probable cause for a > search. If you're trying to avoid being served a subpoena, though, I'm not sure what protection the 4th would give you. And if you're in the position to be asking them to leave, you've probably already been served. -MW-
Re: Aimee == FBI?
On Wed, 26 Sep 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >It is discouraging to see the disdain in which many of you hold the FBI > >during a time when we need cooperation and insight from nontraditional > >sources. > > > > "we" --- do you mean "WE ALL need..." or "WE AT THE FBI need..." Interesting wording, indeed. > Or am I behind the curve on this one? You-all may have determined this > some time ago, sorry if I missed the posts. It has been often speculated. I had some private conversations with Ms. Farr a while ago. Personally, I doubt she's an FBI agent, but there's no reason to take unnecessary risks. -MW-
Re: Muslims and Christians Stand United
WTF is this? - Original Message - From: CJ Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Cipher SmartAss Punks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:01 AM Subject: Muslims and Christians Stand United > We can't think about the deaths at the WTC in NYC without also thinking > about the murder of Muslims in Pakistan > > Our prayers for the mercy of Allah and his blessings should be upon them, > along with our prayers for the mercy of God and his blessings on New York's > Christian victims. > > We received with great sorrow the news of the murder of some of the Muslim > brothers in Karachi while they were expressing their opposition to the > American crusade forces and their allies on the lands of Muslims in Pakistan > and Afghanistan. Will Allah accept them as martyrs and include them with > prophets, their followers, martyrs, good doers and the like and ask that their > families be gifted with patience and consolation, and bless their children and > money, and reward well for their Islam, just as we expect God to do for the > Christians in New York City? > > Whoever of them left children behind, they are our children, and we are > their caretakers, God and Allah willing. > > It is no wonder that the Muslim nation in Pakistan would rush to defend its > Islam, since it is considered the first line of defense for Islam in this > area, just like Afghanistan was the first line of defense for itself and for > Pakistan before the Russian invasion more than 20 years ago, and like > Christianity was the main line of America's defense against GodLess Communism > during the Cold War. > > These brothers are considered among Muslims to be among the first martyrs in > Islam's battle in this era against the new Christian-Jewish crusade led by the > big crusader Bush under the flag of the Cross, just as the dead WTC and 747 > Christian Americans are considered to be martyrs and heros as targets of the > crusade led by Muslim-Arabian crusader Bin Laden. > > The Arabs will undoubtedly incite their Muslim brothers in Pakistan to give > everything they own and are capable of to push the American crusade forces > from invading Pakistan and Afghanistan. just as Americans are wholeheartedly > behind their Christian Avengers readying to do the Retributive Invading. The > Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him, said: Whoever didn't fight, or prepare a fighter, > or take good care of a fighter's family, Allah will strike him with a > catastrophe before Judgment Day. And God Almighty, an Exactly Equal Amount Of > Peace Be Upon Him, as well, used a GoodPortion of His GoodBook to Sing the > Praises of His PreChristian Jewish Soldiers for using the JawBones of Asses to > Kick the Asses of the NonChosen, and putting His DesertWandering Curse upon > them if they fell short of dispensing his Vengance upon the Heathens. > > Osma Been Bomb'in has announced to his beloved Muslims brothers that they > are steadfast on the path of Jihad for the sake of Allah, following the > example of the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him), with the heroic, faithful Afghan > people, under the leadership of our fighter emir, who is proud of his > religion, the prince of the faithful, Mullah Mohammed Omar. Uncle Sam has > announced to the Sacred Defenders of the U.S. version of freedom, following > the example of the Christian Prince of Peace [the version with the DoubleEdged > Sword...], with the heroic, faithful American people, under the leadership of > our fighter president, who is proud of Billy Graham's religion... > > The Muslims ask Allah to make them victorious over the forces of infidels > and tyranny, and to crush the new Christian-Jewish crusade on the land of > Pakistan and Afghanistan, while the Christians ask God to make them victorious > over the forces of fanatics and terrorism, and to crush the Muslim-Arab > crusade on the land of Palestine and Israel. > > If Allah makes you victorious, none will defeat you and if He fails you, who > after Him will make you victorious and on Allah the faithful shall trust... > > If Jehovah makes you victorious, none will defeat you and if He fails you, > who after Him will make you victorious and on Jehovah the faithful shall > trust... > > > > Your brothers in Islam and Christianity, > > Osama bin Mohammed bin Laden > > and > > Ahma gonna'be Bomb'in bin Laden
The Trial of Henry Kissinger
This is an excerpt from "The Trial of Henry Kissinger" by Christopher Hitchens , Chap. 2, "Indochina", pages 25-26. [Pub: Verso/2001 , ISBN 1-85984-631-9] "On 12 May 1975, Cambodian gunboats detained an American merchant vessel named the Mayaguez. In the immediate aftermath of the Khmer Rouge seizure of power, the situation was a distraught one. The ship had been stopped in international waters claimed by Cambodia and then taken to the Cambodian island of Koh Tang. In spite of reports that the crew had been released, Kissinger pressed for an immediate face-saving and "credibility"-enhancing strike. He persuaded President Gerald Ford, the untried and undistinguished successor to his deposed former boss, to send in the Marines and the Air Force. Out of a Marine force of 110, 18 were killed and 50 wounded. Some 23 Air Force men died in a crash. The United States used a 15,000-pound bomb on the island, the most powerful non-nuclear device that it possessed. Nobody has the figures for Cambodian deaths. The casualties were pointless because the ship's company of the Mayaguez were nowhere on Koh Tang, having been released some hours earlier. A subsequent congressional inquiry found that Kissinger could have known of this by listening to Cambodian Broadcasting* or by paying attention to a third-party government which had been negotiating a deal for the restitution of the crew and the ship. It was not as if any Cambodians doubted, by that month of 1975, the willingness of the US government to employ deadly force. In Washington, DC, there is a famous and hallowed memorial to the American dead of the Vietnam War. Known as the Vietnam Veterans' Memorial, it bears a name that is slightly misleading. I was present for the extremely affecting moment of its dedication in 1982, and noticed that the list of nearly 60,000 names is incised in the wall not by alphabet but by date. The first few names appear in 1954, and the last few in 1975. The more historically minded visitors can sometimes be heard to say that they didn't know the United States was engaged in Vietnam as early or as late as that. Nor were the public supposed to know. The first names are of the covert operatives sent in by Colonel Lansdale without congressional approval to support the French colonialism before Dien Bien Phu. The last names are of those thrown away in the Mayaguez fiasco. It took Henry Kissinger to ensure that a war of atrocity, which he had helped prolong, should end as furtively and ignominiously as it had begun." [* translations of CB intercepts were available to Kissinger in regular ELINT summary reports from the NSA. --ddt]
Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:42:19AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > I'm not set up to run same, but I'm interested in finding one that > doesn't demime. http://www.lne.com/cpunk has an up-to-date list of the different CDRs and their policies. Eric
RE: Mind control: U.S. Measures May Incite Domestic Terror
At 11:21 PM 9/25/01 -0500, Aimee Farr wrote: >> >> And who would be "we" ? And who are "they" ? > >We - The People. >They - Anybody that has expressed a sincere desire to blow "the people" up >and has warranted a threat-rating. Clue: your herders, the USG, wants to blow you up (if male between 18-25). Or if you have an alternate religion, pharmacist, number of spouses, bankers, etc. The USG wants to blow you up if you're palestinian and want your land back. The USG wants to blow you up if you're impeding the USG interests inside your homeland. The USG has become Britain of 200+ years ago. Or Rome of 2000+. With all the consequences. >I am speaking in the context of U.S. domestic organizations with terrorist >inclinations, not OBL and his like, of course. So am I. >Some proposals fit into the apocalyptic visions of some groups. Shades of >PROJECT MEGIDDO and so forth. Well write it up in your thesis, or your report to your handlers. How many 'groups' do you monitor 'Ms. Aimee'? ... Those who do not understand Unix are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. -- Henry Spencer
Re: MIME-encoded PGP / GPG signatures (again)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 01:24:44PM -0700, Meyer Wolfsheim ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: <...> > For the most part, Mutt is an excellent email client. However, I'm > actually going to correct myself, and say that it *is* Mutt that doesn't > play well with others in this case. I have no problem with Mutt favoring > RFC 2015/3156 for PGP handling. As someone else recently pointed out on > one of the GnuPG lists, the flaw is in Mutt's inability to do normal PGP > messages. What's "normal" PGP messages? There is an option to clearsign by default. I've elected not to do this. Peace. - -- Karsten M. Self <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Home of the brave http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/Land of the free Free Dmitry! Boycott Adobe! Repeal the DMCA! http://www.freesklyarov.org Geek for Hire http://kmself.home.netcom.com/resume.html -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7skPmOEeIn1XyubARAg7WAJ9/iuaFoqSYcKjmp5SagNADWYx2EwCeJty9 abqIir0y+FgzH56WyAcjRww= =l8hU -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: FAA new rules and the nEW gEStApo (was Nail clippers
Yawn... xganon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote : >Hmm lets outlaw gelatin capsules on the grounds that they facilitate >turning human finger and toenails very hard and allow the use of same >as weapons(it does NOT take very much to tear the caratoid artery open) > Don't you mean carotid? >same for toothpicks and teeth >rolled up magazines facilitate lethal nerve strikes and >dont get me started on pens/pencils, chopsticks and forks :) > >anon > Recommended reading : Navy Seals Reference Manual NSRM123-54GXC-67453 101 Ways to Dismember Your Opponent With A Jelly Bean snore, whistle whistle whistle snore, whistle whistle whistle
Re: When the FBI Guys Come Knocking...
On Tuesday, September 25, 2001, at 06:42 PM, Matthew Gaylor wrote: > At 6:06 PM -0700 9/25/01, Sandy Sandfort wrote: >> Whether you take my approach or Tim's approach isn't all that >> important. >> What is vital, is that you maintain your sense of moral superiority. >> Any >> personal fear, guilt or subservience on your part are your own worst >> enemies. > > I personally don't answer my door unless I recognize them. Of course I > realize that I'm missing scintillating conversation with Mormons, > Jehovah Witnesses and the occasional vacuum cleaner salesman. > > Making yourself generally unavailable should be your first line of > defense. > Ditto for me, though I haven't received any unusual visitors. I installed a standard one-way viewer some years ago, and I usually check to see who is knocking before I answer. I haven't yet had reason to remain silent and not answer. (I installed the viewer after being foolishly served with a subpoena.) I'm considering a major upgrade to a t.v. camera system. The wireless X10 cameras seem to be interesting. (The wireless doesn' t much bother me, as the views will be of outside.) I'm not yet ready to install Claymore mines linked to motion sensors, for various reasons, but I think the war that is coming will often involve private citizens killing Nazi narcs. It's really time we stop aiding those planning to take away our liberties in support of ZOG. --Tim May
Re: Muslims and Christians Stand United
CJ's one of the more colorful fiction writers on the list At 05:00 PM 09/26/2001 -0400, Elyn Wollensky wrote: >WTF is this? > >- Original Message - >From: CJ Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Cc: Cipher SmartAss Punks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 7:01 AM >Subject: Muslims and Christians Stand United
Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001
I reported it in an article I wrote Monday; Monday's hearing where chairman Sensenbrenner announced this was covered live on CSPAN; the committee web site was updated to reflect this; the wire service daybooks were updated to reflect this. -Declan On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 08:31:16PM -1000, Reese wrote: > At 10:04 AM 9/25/01 -0700, Black Unicorn wrote: > >The hearing for markup of the Anti Terrorism Act of 2001 has been > >cancelled by direction of the Chairman and has not been rescheduled > >at this time. > > That's the best news I've heard since 9-11. Your source for this, > if you don't mind? > > Reese
Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001
On Tuesday 25 September 2001 17:38, Black Unicorn wrote: > Since the only goal in the first place was to delay I repeat: > > SUCCESS! Until they wait until people look the other way and then sneak it past. (Like every other privacy-rapeing bill over the last ten years.) > > - Original Message - > From: "Declan McCullagh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Black Unicorn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2001 5:37 PM > Subject: Re: ACTION: SUCCESS! Anti-Terrorism Act of 2001 > > > On Tue, Sep 25, 2001 at 10:04:09AM -0700, Black Unicorn wrote: > > > The hearing for markup of the Anti Terrorism Act of 2001 has been > > cancelled by > > > > direction of the Chairman and has not been rescheduled at this time. > > > > Try next week... > > > > -Declan
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