date:20010920


http://slashdot.org/articles/01/09/20/1443226.shtml
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Chinese Working Overtime to Sew U.S. Flags (washingtonpost.com)


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TownHall.com: Conservative Columnists: Robert Novak


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Cooksey: Expect racial profiling


Somebody should impeach this asshole...

http://www.theadvocate.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=24605

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The Times - Muslims eat the stars and stripes


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RE: from alt.security.terrorism

2001-09-20 Thread Trei, Peter


> Harmon Seaver[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> 
> 
>For those of us with no M$ software, what is it?
> 
Ahh, you happy, fortunate few!

What it is is ancient history. Check out
http://www.snopes2.com/spoons/fracture/wingding.htm

Peter Trei


> Ken Brown wrote:
> 
> > Shit.  I wonder if anyone's been sacked for that yet?
> >
> > Anonymous wrote:
> > >
> > > Hidden messages revealed:
> > >
> > >  1.   Go into Microsoft Word.
> > >  2.   Type in all caps and highlight:   NYC
> > >  3.   Make the font size 48
> > >  4.   Change the font to Webdings and read what it says
> > >  5.   Then change the font again, this time to Wingdings
> 
> --
> Harmon Seaver, MLIS

Re: from alt.security.terrorism

2001-09-20 Thread Riad S. Wahby


Harmon Seaver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>For those of us with no M$ software, what is it?

In Wingdings, NYC -> (skull & crossbones) (star of david) (thumbs up)

In Webdings, NYC -> (eye) (heart) (city)

--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIT VI-2/A 2002

Re: from alt.security.terrorism

2001-09-20 Thread Ken Brown


Harmon Seaver wrote:
> 
>For those of us with no M$ software, what is it?

Little pictures.

NYC in webdings translates intoi.e. "I love
New York". Deliberate?

In Windings it comes out as  
 - if intentional presumably a sackable offence wherever they
designed the character set all those years ago.

The font size is irrelevant.

This must be the bored office-workers equivalent of looking for messages
in the stonecutter's scratches on the Great Pyramid.


Ken

 
> Ken Brown wrote:
> 
> > Shit.  I wonder if anyone's been sacked for that yet?
> >
> > Anonymous wrote:
> > >
> > > Hidden messages revealed:
> > >
> > >  1.   Go into Microsoft Word.
> > >  2.   Type in all caps and highlight:   NYC
> > >  3.   Make the font size 48
> > >  4.   Change the font to Webdings and read what it says
> > >  5.   Then change the font again, this time to Wingdings

RE: Cooksey: Expect racial profiling

2001-09-20 Thread Aimee Farr


> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Jim Choate
> Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 12:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Cooksey: Expect racial profiling
>
>
> Somebody should impeach this asshole...
>
> http://www.theadvocate.com/news/story.asp?StoryID=24605

 Press Release:
ADC Shocked By Congressman Cooksey's Remarks

Washington, DC, Sept. 19--The American-Arab Anti-Discrimination
Committee (ADC) is outraged by the comments made on Monday by
Representative John Cooksey (R-LA) on Louisiana radio stations stating
that someone who comes in thats got a diaper on his head and a fan
belt wrapped around that diaper on his head, that guy needs to be pulled
over.

Representative Cookseys racist remarks are particularly shocking in
light of the ongoing national backlash against Arab Americans as a
result of last weeks terrorist attack in New York and the Washington,
D.C. area.

ADC President Dr. Ziad Asali said, It is totally unacceptable in the
midst of this national crisis that an elected official of the United
States Congress would utter such hateful and irresponsible words.  It is
a disgrace to Congress and to the medical profession.  Dr. Cooksey owes
Arab Americans and indeed the nation an apology.  As a member of
Congress he should realize that honoring constitutionally protected
civil rights is not simply trying to be politically correct as he
stated.

ADC officials have requested a meeting with Representative Cooksey upon
his return to Washington, D.C. this evening.

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a libertarian approach to airport security: suggestions

2001-09-20 Thread auto301094


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Does anyone have any ideas on implementing a more libertarian approach to airport 
security technology and policy? For example, if someone asked you to contribute to a 
policy point paper to brief the White House, what would you recommend?

I'm sure we could all recite the endless litany of Surveillance State measures best 
flushed straight down the toilet--but where are the proactive solutions? Here's a 
start:


1. Simplify Federal air regulations: the current patchwork of requirements creates 
sometimes contradictory rules that hinder industry initiative and confound enforcement 
efforts.

2. Improve air traffic control practices, including emphasis on GPS enroute navigation 
over traditional airways routing (Free Flight) and better analysis of and response to 
changing airport capacity issues.

3. Implement private sector fault-checking airport/airline security systems using 
adversary testing (teams organized to regularly attempt to breach security).


We can't afford to throw in the towel in disgust (tempting though it may be) and leave 
this debate to the cowardly 70 percent. Which reminds me, here's a word of wisdom from 
Herman Kahn for those of you who lost your nerve:

"Critics frequently refer to the icy rationality of the Hudson Institute, the RAND 
Corporation and other such organizations. I'm always tempted to ask in reply, 'Would 
you prefer a warm, human error? Do you feel better with a nice emotional mistake?' We 
cannot expect good discussion of security problems if we are going to label every 
attempt at detachment as callous, every attempt at objectivity as immoral. Technical 
details are not the only important operative facts. Human and moral factors...must 
never be missing from policies and public discussion. But emotionalism and 
sentimentality, as opposed to morality and concern, only confuse the debates. Nor can 
experts be expected to repeat, 'If, heavean forbid...", before every sentence."



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What might have happened on Sept. 11...

2001-09-20 Thread Matthew Gaylor


What might have happened on Sept. 11 if this were truly The Land of the Free:




Go to the above url to view a cartoon created by Scott Bieser, 
proprietor of Liberty Artworx .

Regards,  Matt-

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2001-09-20 Thread keyser-soze


>  It's beginning to look more and more like Tim is absolutely right.
There are just one fuck of a lot of people in this country that really,
seriously, need killing. It is utterly amazing how quickly, because
of one incident, all these "leaders" are jumping thru the "trash
the Constitution" hoop. 
>  And, of course, anyone who attempts to actively oppose their fascist
schemes, is "aiding and abetting terrorists". Is there no way out
of this? 

Only cowards worry about possible punishment.

If this be terrorism, make the most of it!

Re: Why the Palestinian Candy Story Was Believed


It's also bias against the mainstream media -- the person who circulated
the lie and the apparent originator both talked about evil corporations
or what not -- that may in some cases be justified, but often is not.
Certainly this "CNN file footage" was a lie, and a nasty one at that.

-Declan


On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 12:56:26PM -0400, Matthew Gaylor wrote:
> There are reasons why alleged urban legends such as when CNN filmed 
> the Palestinian candy celebration are believed.  It is in part due to 
> an innate distrust of government and the fact that governments do 
> engage in propaganda and disinformation campaigns.
> 
>  Wayne Madsen wrote:
> "The Pentagon is a master at deception campaigns aimed at the news 
> media. They constantly broadcast disinformation to television and 
> radio audiences in Haiti, Serbia, Colombia, Mexico and elsewhere."
> 
> Most of us should remember the mini-flap (Which should have been much 
> larger) when it was revealed that the US Army's psychological 
> operations units intern at CNN. Now "Ha'aretz Daily" reports that an 
> Israel Defence Force (IDF) film crew was dispatched to film candy 
> being handed out in East Jerusalem and the Palestinian newspaper 
> "Jerusalem Times" reports that the candy shop owner was paid for the 
> candy by the IDF.

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NY Peace Calendar (was Fw: NY ANTIWAR CALENDAR) (fwd)



- Original Message -
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2001 1:49 PM
Subject: NY ANTIWAR CALENDAR


> NY ANTIWAR ACTIVIST CALENDAR (Subjectively gathered by Mitchel Cohen)
>
> Call (212) 726-3272 for regular updates.
>
> Democracy Now can be heard LIVE on WFMU, 91.1 FM
>
>
> "They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
> deserve neither liberty nor safety."  Benjamin Franklin, 1759
>
>
> >From www.japantoday.com
>  >WASHINGTON - The Defense Department has recommended to President
>  >George W Bush the use of tactical nuclear weapons as a military
>  >option to retaliate for last week's terrorist attacks in the United
>  >States, diplomatic sources said Tuesday.
>
> It is unknown whether Bush has made any decision.
>
> Meanwhile, good article in Boston Globe, page A3 on Tuesday, Sept. 18th on
> anti-war movement in NYC and across country.
>
>
> Berkeley calls for National Day of Action
> Thursday, September 20
> Green Arm Band Pledge
>
> NATIONAL STUDENT DAY OF ACTION FOR PEACEFUL JUSTICE
> Students at Over 130 Colleges Campuses to
> Hold Teach-Ins, Vigils, and Rallies for Peace
>
> Students and community members at 150 schools in 36 states are gathering
at
> noon on Thursday in commemorations and rallies for peace and justice. (USA
> TODAY with good story on anti-war activity, and typically stopid quote
> from Tod Gitlin (NYU teacher and once-upon-a-time activist.)
> *
>
> In New York ...
>
> Thursday, Sept 20
>
> * Teach-in at Columbia W 116th Street and Broadway from 11:00 am to 1:00
pm
> on Thursday.
>
> * Afternoon gathering at Hunter College, 68th St. & Lexington Ave.
> W/ Dietrech Mohammed and others.
>
> * 1 pm SUNY STONY BROOK
> Bringing Context To The Crisis:  Talks and a Panel Discussion on Terrorism
> and its Aftermath  (Javits Lecture Center, Room 105, 1-3pm)
> Speakers:  Prof. Krin Gabbard: History of Media Coverage in Wartime, Prof.
> Eduardo Mendieta: The Language of Mourning in Crisis,  Prof. Mike Davis:
The
> Future is Here: Civil Liberties and the Crusade against Terrorism, Prof.
Said
> Arjomand: Islam and US involvement in the Middle East, Ambassador Harsh
> Bahsin: Diplomacy, War, Truth, and Reconciliation, Moderator: Chad Kautzer
>
> * 7 pm "The World Trade Center and After: Critical Perspectives," a
teach-in
> at St. John The Divine Chapel-Synod Hall, 110th St. and Amsterdam Avenue.
> This event is being organized by a coalition of concerned graduate
students
> from various departments at Columbia U. Confirmed speakers so far include:
> Timothy Mitchell,
> Hamid Dabashi, Mahmood Mamdani, Drucilla Cornell, Brinkley Messick and
> Partha Chatterjee.
>
> * 5:30 pm NYU: The U.S. & the Muslim World --Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001,
5:30 -
> 7:30 p.m. Hemmerdinger Hall1/2Main Building 100 Washington Square East.
NYU
> faculty specializing on the Middle East, Islam, and U.S. foreign policy
>
>
> * BIG TEACH-IN Teach-in at NYU
> Join activists at NYU for a teach-in for peace
>   Thursday, September 20 at 7 PM
>   NYU Main Building, room 809
>
> Main Building is located at 100 Washington Square East at the corner of
> Waverly.
>
> The event will focus on giving a context to the tragic events of September
> 11 and organizing around two themes: To stop the racist scapegoating and
the
>
> US drive to war.
>
> Speakers include
>
> * Amy Goodman, co-host of Democracy Now! WBIX (WBAI in exile)
>
> * Purvi Shah, SAKHI for South Asian Women (an anti-violence collective)
>
> * Sherry Wolf, International Socialist Organization and veteran activist
of
> the National Network of Campuses Against the War 1990-91
>
> (invited speakers also include) Arab Students United, Arab American Family
> Center, Prof. Bertell Ollman, War Resisters League, Jews Against the
> Occupation
>
> This event is sponsored by Prof. Bertell Ollman and the NYU Peace
Coalition
> and endorsed by Earth Matters at NYU, Jews Against The Occupation, the
> International Socialist Organization, SAKHI for South Asian Women
>
> *7:30 pm  Manhattan Greens meeting, Baruch College, 151 E. 25th St., Rm
765
>
>
> *
>
> FRIDAY, Sept 21
>
> * TEACH-IN at New School for Social Research 10:30 am - 6 pm
>
> * TEACH-IN at CUNY GRAD CTR
> Threats of War
> Prospects for Justice
> AFTER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER
> 4:00 to 6:00 pm
> CUNY Graduate Center
> 365 Fifth Avenue (Btwn. 34th & 35th St.)
> Proshansky Auditorium - Concourse Level
>
> With:
> Talal Asad
> Ella Shohat*
> David Harvey
> Zahera Saed
> Stanley Aronowitz
> Fahima Danishgar*
> Neil Smith
> Sunita Reddy
> Ali Mir
> Khaled Fahmy*
>
> * All Day teach-in OUTDOORS at Rockefeller Center, 11:00 am to 5:00 pm.
>
>
> 6 PM UNION SQUARE TO TIMES SQUARE
>
> **PEACE VIGIL/WALK -
> Mourn the Victims - Stand for Peace
> THIS FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 21ST
> A GATHERING FOR GLOBAL PEACE AND JUSTICE
> Take a stand... Join
> A PEACE VIGIL/WALK
>
>
> ISLAM IS NOT THE ENEMY
>
> W

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will be part of the House Intelligence Committee.

Re: What might have happened on Sept. 11...

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Matthew Gaylor wrote:

> What might have happened on Sept. 11 if this were truly The Land of the Free:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Go to the above url to view a cartoon created by Scott Bieser, 
> proprietor of Liberty Artworx .

Except they'd have had guns too...the plane needs lots of little holes and
more dead bodies (with shooters hunkered down behind the seats).

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Re: Slashdot | How Would Crypto Back Doors Work?

2001-09-20 Thread keyser-soze


One of the easiest, most effective and difficult to detect back doors is to compromise 
the PRNG.

Re: Online Dictionary - Spanish/English - "mata" <> "kill"

2001-09-20 Thread baptista



On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

> http://www.histopia.nl/cgi-bin/onldicspa.cgi

Like I told you in english - it's a slang term and only those using the
language would know that ;-).

I'm still baffeled as to which dictionary you used to associate mata
(spanish) with plants ?-)

regards
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Re: Online Dictionary - Spanish/English - "mata" <> "kill"

2001-09-20 Thread baptista


On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

> http://www.histopia.nl/cgi-bin/onldicspa.cgi

Like I told you in english - it's a slang term and only those using the
language would know that ;-).

I'm still baffeled as to which dictionary you used to associate mata
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Re: Congress

Actually Congress is calming down just a little. I'm not saying they're
going to do the right thing -- just look at them taking the Echelon-
anti-4A bill seriously -- but there is opposition to the most radical
approaches:
http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/20/198219

-Declan

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 06:06:03PM +0200, Anonymous wrote:
>   It's beginning to look more and more like Tim is absolutely right.
> There are just one fuck of a lot of people in this country that really,
> seriously, need killing. It is utterly amazing how quickly, because
> of one incident, all these "leaders" are jumping thru the "trash
> the Constitution" hoop. 
>   And, of course, anyone who attempts to actively oppose their fascist
> schemes, is "aiding and abetting terrorists". Is there no way out
> of this?

Re: a libertarian approach to airport security: suggestions


On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 11:47:31AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > 
> Does anyone have any ideas on implementing a more libertarian
approach to airport security technology and policy? For example, if
someone asked you to contribute to a policy point paper to brief the
White House, what would you recommend?

That they don't waste their time?

Nobody in DC is going to want to take a libertarian approach to airport
security at the best of times, let alone right now.

If you were to suggest something, let airlines choose whether to bring
private security aboard, whether to build high-security cockpit doors,
and so on. Let them compete for "safest airline" award from Consumer Reports.

-Declan

Feebs lose snooping van


Wonder if there were any laptops on board...

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/967668/detail.html

LAUREL, Md., 1:40 p.m. EDT September 20, 2001 -- An FBI spokesman said a
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Agents have been in the area to investigate ties to last week's
terrorist attacks in New York andWashington. Laurel residents and
employees have told agents that some of the suspected terrorists spent
their final days in Laurel, Greenbelt and Beltsville.

  FBI spokesman Peter Gulotta declined
to say why the van was in the area. He says that to the best of
  his knowledge, the van didn't have
evidence connected to the terrorist attacks.

  Gulotta says the van was stolen about
4:30 a.m. while it was unattended. The suspects are two men
  who pulled up to the FBI van in a
white van with stolen tags. The blue FBI van was last seen heading
  south on Interstate 295 toward
Washington.

Fed Judge Tanner's Porn Downloading curtailed

http://latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-75599sep20.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dnation%2Dmanual

WASHINGTON -- Judges and their staffs may not
download sexually explicit material, music or
videos on
their office computers, under a policy announced
Wednesday by the rule-making body of the U.S.
court
system.

The new policy "will help ensure that
taxpayer-provided
resources are devoted to" official business, not
personal
use, said U.S. District Judge Edward Nelson of
Birmingham, Ala. Judges are not "above the law"
and do
not have a right to use their computers for
entirely
personal uses, he added.

The new policy governs the 30,000 employees of the

federal court system. It had been sharply debated
in
recent weeks, and not just because of its effect
on these
employees. The law is unclear on whether workers
have
any right to privacy in the use of their office
computers.
But the federal court policy makes clear that
privacy
rights for all federal workers are minimal.
Judges, along
with other federal employees, do not have a "right
to use
government-office equipment for nongovernment
uses,"
the policy says.

In a second computer-related policy change, the
judges
said they want files in civil court cases to be
put on the
Internet so they can be accessed by anyone,
anywhere. They said certain
personal information, such as Social Security
numbers or medical data, will be
excluded.

If the paper files are now available to the public
in a courthouse, they should
also be available via computer on the Internet,
the judges said.

Some district courts are currently making some
civil court records available via a
for-pay Web site. Wednesday's decision will expand
the program to all district
courts.

For now, the new open-access policy covers only
civil matters, not criminal
cases. The judges said they will consider later
whether to put all criminal files on
the Internet.

While the move to put civil cases on the Internet
will affect more people, the
judges were focused more intently on the dispute
over their own computers.

In May, judges on the West Coast rebelled when
they learned their computers
were being monitored by the administrative office
of the U.S. courts in
Washington. Judge Alex Kozinski of Pasadena, who
sits on the U.S. 9th Circuit
Court of Appeals, said the surveillance was
illegal, and he and his colleagues
unplugged the monitoring system.

Court officials in Washington replied they are not
interested in spying on
individual workers or monitoring their e-mail.

Rather, they say, their concern was triggered by
evidence that large files had
been downloaded onto some courthouse computers
from Internet sites that
contain sexually explicit videos.

In response to Kozinski's protests, the
rule-making body dropped part of the
policy that says all court employees who use the
court's computers "consent to
monitoring."

But the rest of the policy detailing the
"unauthorized or improper use" of court
computers was adopted intact.

The policy change was to have been debated at the
Supreme Court on Sept. 11,
during the semiannual meeting of the U.S. Judicial
Conference.

The conference consists of 27 top judges
representing the federal circuit courts.
Chief Justice William H. Rehnquist was there to
chair the meeting.

But the discussion had just begun about 10 a.m.
when word came that jetliners
had struck the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon. Rehnquist called off the
meeting and the judges left the building.

Judges said this week it was the first time in 79
years that a meeting of the
Judicial Conference was canceled. Instead, the
judges voted by mail on the new
policy.

The two 9th Circu

Re: "Pirate Utopia," FEED, February 20, 2001 (fwd)

-- Forwarded message --
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2001 08:27:00 +1000 (EST)
From: Grant Bayley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re:  "Pirate Utopia," FEED, February 20, 2001

> --- begin forwarded text
>
> Status:  U
> From: "Julian Dibbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject:  "Pirate Utopia," FEED, February 20, 2001
> Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 08:37:20 -0500
> Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Reply-To: "Julian Dibbell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> Key concepts: steganography, encryption, Osama bin Laden, intellectual
> property, temporary autonomous zone, pirates.

It's a shame that Niels Provos, one of the main developers of open-source
Steganography software at the moment wasn't able to detect a single piece
of information hidden steganographically in a recent survey of two million
images...  Sort of destroys the whole hype about the use of it by
criminals.   Details on the paper below:

Date: Sat, 15 Sep 2001 17:36:36 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Detecting Steganographic Content on the Internet

Detecting Steganographic Content on the Internet
Niels Provos and Peter Honeyman

Steganography is used to hide the occurrence of communication. Recent
suggestions in US newspapers indicate that terrorists use steganography to
communicate in secret with their accomplices. In particular, images on the
internet were mentioned as the communication medium. While the newspaper
articles sounded very dire, none substantiated these rumors. To determine
whether there is steganographic content on the Internet, this paper presents
a detection framework that includes tools to retrieve images from the world
wide web and automatically detects whether they might contain steganographic
content. To ascertain that hidden messages exist in images, the detection
framework includes a distributed computing framework for launching dictionary
attacks hosted on a cluster of loosely coupled workstations. We have analyzed
two million images downloaded from eBay actions but have not been able to
find a single hidden message.

http://www.citi.umich.edu/techreports/reports/citi-tr-01-11.pdf
http://www.citi.umich.edu/techreports/reports/citi-tr-01-11.ps.gz

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Re: a libertarian approach to airport security: suggestions

2001-09-20 Thread auto301094

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Declan wrote:
>> Does anyone have any ideas on implementing a more libertarian
>approach to airport security technology and policy? For example, if
>someone asked you to contribute to a policy point paper to brief the
>White House, what would you recommend?
>
>That they don't waste their time?
>
>Nobody in DC is going to want to take a libertarian approach to airport
>security at the best of times, let alone right now.

Grrr. I know. But making the effort to put some viable alternatives on the
table is preferable to watching it all go to hell without so much as squeaking
a peep. Sure, it's a given that people are going to do something; if we can
pack the range of options with more freedom-friendly alternatives, maybe
they'll help crowd out the disasterously statist ones. Maybe. And if nothing
else, at least I'll know I squeaked my peep, damn it...

Good ideas about private sector security practices, but does anyone have any
suggestions that particularly pertain to technology that might serve to slow up
the biometrics bandwagon? Deperessingly enough, that's the way it seems to be
going, and I reallly don't see a way out of it.

***

"The two contenders met, with all their troops, on the field of Camlan to
negotiate.  Both sides were fully armed, and desperately suspicious that the
other side was going to try some ruse or stratagem.  The negotiations were
going along smoothly until one of the knights was stung by an asp, and drew his
sword to kill the reptile.  The others saw the sword being drawn and
immediately fell upon each other.  A tremendous slaughter ensued.  The
chronicle is quite specific about the point that the slaughter was excessive
chiefly because the battle took place without preparations or premeditation."

- --Herman Kahn, On Thermonuclear War

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somewhat encouraging...

2001-09-20 Thread Riad S. Wahby


...is that at least _some_ people are against the war.  To my surprise
and delight, an anti-war march just passed my window taking up all of
Mass Ave.  Presumably they're marching from MIT up to Harvard.  Not
like it'll do anything, but it's nice to find people who agree that
going to war over all this shit just doesn't make sense.

I was saying to a friend not half an hour ago that maybe our
generation needs a Vietnam.  I'm at once sad and glad to see that it's
starting.

--
Riad Wahby
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
MIT VI-2/A 2002

Re: a libertarian approach to airport security: suggestions

2001-09-20 Thread Adam Back

On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 03:44:49PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Good ideas about private sector security practices, but does anyone
> have any suggestions that particularly pertain to technology that
> might serve to slow up the biometrics bandwagon? Deperessingly
> enough, that's the way it seems to be going, and I reallly don't see
> a way out of it.

Well I guess a little rational thought might not hurt as the motivator
of policy rather than public perception, and hidden agendas to
increase state power and outlawing unrelated technologies they'd like
to outlaw anyway (eg privacy and encryption software to increase the
scope of open source signals intelligence.)

Identification doesn't appear to be that relevant to hardening
airports.

I saw some inanely stupid arguments on news over the last week about
policies and procedures along the lines of 'if our policy was
different this wouldn't have happend', the perpetrators knew the
policies in effect and planned their operation around them.  The world
can spend billions re-jigging policies and procedures, but few of them
even seem like speed bumps, and most I've seen proposed look like they
would have no effect at even complicating further attacks.  

If one presumes the motives of the politicians are sincere they are
idiots -- as chess players go they aren't even able to think one move
ahead -- aren't able to ask the question of themselves: "what would
the opponent do if this candidate policy were in place?"

It's pretty impossible to harden a country with such low population
density and number of fat targets.  The attacker will simply attack
the target with the best trade-off of political value, destructive
value and ease of attack.  You can't pre-empt this stuff.

Also as well as the obvious fact that people of arabic descent are
rather a broad profile to single out for extra scrutiny, it seems on
reading more of the background of the region that there are
fundamentalist muslims in Afghanistan from different ethnic
backgrounds: Egyptians, Chinese, Africans, and perhaps even the odd
Russian.  It's pretty much a "doh" that scrutinizing arabic looking
people, will lead the would-be attacker to select suicide attackers
with different ethnic appearance.

A much better approach to aggresively and honestly persue would be to
attempt to improve relations with the minorities who are feeling
persecuted directly by previous US military and political actions and
by indirect actions in sponsoring, funding, training: Iraq, Iran,
Saudi Taleban, Israel etc, etc at various points in the past and
currently.

It seems that world stability is more likely to be achieved by
diplomacy than by engaging in tit-for-tat escalations of violence.
Guerilla tactics make it impossibly expensive to harden a country
against such attacks.

Whereas one might normally attribute actions with apparently the
opposite effect of the claimed intent to stupidity ("never attribute
to malice that which can be explained by stupidity"), I suspect that
the real reason for the disparity is that the stated intent is not the
real intent.  The real intents are probably economic, and the actions
planned inline with economic analysis and forcasts, though not the
interests of world stability.  This can't be explained openly to the
public as they would reject the strategies.

Adam

Feds are talking out both sides of their asses

2001-09-20 Thread Sunder



As usual. See:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21790.html

Feds complain Bin Laden not using hi-tech equipment
By Kieren McCarthy
Posted: 20/09/2001 at 16:57 GMT
Osama Bin Laden is evading detection by not using modern telecoms
equipment, the US intelligence services have told the press. "He switched
off a lot of communications technologies," a US intelligence spokesman
said. "Now it is other people talking for him. In an innocuous
conversation, you can't pick that out." 
Osama is so cunning, we are told, that he is now using human messengers
and family members to deliver instructions. "This isn't low-tech," a
former NSA consultant has been quoted as saying. "You'd have to really
call it no-tech."


... snip ...

Only last week, we were being told that increased surveillance - taps on
all ISPs and a backdoor in encryption systems - was the only way to stop
people like this. Now, seven days later, when hundreds of special forces
personnel are crawling around Afghanistan looking for the man, we're told
that all this technology and the billions spent on it are obsolete because
he's turned his phone off. That we are blind as a mole.

... snip ...



--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
 + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
  \|/  :aren't security.  A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\
<--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you   \/|\/
  /|\  :masked killer, but  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
 + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often.
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Feds are talking out both sides of their asses

2001-09-20 Thread Sunder


As usual. See:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/57/21790.html

Feds complain Bin Laden not using hi-tech equipment
By Kieren McCarthy
Posted: 20/09/2001 at 16:57 GMT
Osama Bin Laden is evading detection by not using modern telecoms
equipment, the US intelligence services have told the press. "He switched
off a lot of communications technologies," a US intelligence spokesman
said. "Now it is other people talking for him. In an innocuous
conversation, you can't pick that out." 
Osama is so cunning, we are told, that he is now using human messengers
and family members to deliver instructions. "This isn't low-tech," a
former NSA consultant has been quoted as saying. "You'd have to really
call it no-tech."


... snip ...

Only last week, we were being told that increased surveillance - taps on
all ISPs and a backdoor in encryption systems - was the only way to stop
people like this. Now, seven days later, when hundreds of special forces
personnel are crawling around Afghanistan looking for the man, we're told
that all this technology and the billions spent on it are obsolete because
he's turned his phone off. That we are blind as a mole.

... snip ...



--Kaos-Keraunos-Kybernetos---
 + ^ + :Surveillance cameras|Passwords are like underwear. You don't /|\
  \|/  :aren't security.  A |share them, you don't hang them on your/\|/\
<--*-->:camera won't stop a |monitor, or under your keyboard, you   \/|\/
  /|\  :masked killer, but  |don't email them, or put them on a web  \|/
 + v + :will violate privacy|site, and you must change them very often.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sunder.net

Re: somewhat encouraging...

At 07:34 PM 9/20/01 -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
>I was saying to a friend not half an hour ago that maybe our
>generation needs a Vietnam.  I'm at once sad and glad to see that it's
>starting.

Yes but the image of congressvermin hanging onto the skids of a copter
as it pulls
away from the capital, as they vacate DC, is refreshing.

Infinite Justice (tm)


Report: The US is renaming its pending war from 'Infinite Justice'
because the
moslems have a trademark infringement case: they think their
god has a monopoly on the concept.

Praise be unto political correctness.

Infinite Justice (tm)

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Subcommander Bob wrote:

> Report: The US is renaming its pending war from 'Infinite Justice'
> because the
> moslems have a trademark infringement case: they think their
> god has a monopoly on the concept.
> 
> Praise be unto political correctness.

You're lack of a sense of history of both religion and mathematics is
amazing.

The concept that 'infinity' and 'god' are equivalent is not just a Muslim
invention. It is also in Jewish and Christain thought. Do some research
into the Catholic church in the middle ages for example.

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Re: [Fwd: [biofuel] Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to

2001-09-20 Thread Reese


At 07:00 PM 9/20/2001 +0200, Nomen Nescio wrote:

 >Anti-aircraft missiles are the answer.
 >
 >We should have a government program to distribute anti-aircraft missiles.
 >Every able-bodied American should be armed with one.  Stinger missiles
 >use a shoulder launch carrier and can be fired without much technical
 >training.
 >
 >Any time an aircraft appears to be off course or behaving oddly, anyone
 >in the area can shoot it down.  This will be much safer and more reliable
 >than a gunfight on the airplane.
 >
 >Let's seem 'em go after our nuclear plants or dams, knowing that vigilant
 >Americans stand ready to defend these structures with lethal force,
 >never mind the cost in lives!  After all, the more arms people possess,
 >the safer the world will be.  That seems to be the philosophy of prominent
 >cypherpunks.
 >
 >Stay tuned for: Why should only TERRORISTS have suitcase nukes?

The comedian Gallagher trod this ground in the early 80s.

[from memory]

"This whole rigamarole with hidden missile silos and underground train
tracks to ferry missiles from one silo to another?  Arm every American
with an ICBMW - that's an Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile Winnebago.

No one would dare try anything, they'd know that every weekend, we would
have a million Americans out on the road with a sixpack and an itchy
button finger, just waiting for something to go wrong"

Reese

RE: Text of "Mobilization Against Terrorism Act" now online

2001-09-20 Thread baptista

mata means to kill in spanish and portugese.  your playing around here
with word tenses.  and matar does in no way mean murder.  it does mean
to kill, or to slay.  mata is not an acceptable word usuage in spanish 
with respect to the process of killing or slaying - it is however in
common usage.  In both languages it is considered a slang term when used
alone.  it can mean murderer or assasine when used as a noun -
i.e. matador.

now i have no idea where you are coming from in your claims that mata has
anything to do with plants.  i suspect many portions of the old spanish
empire may have mutated their language usage where mata has some reference
to plants - but i doubt it.

I think what you are doing here is confusing spanish with portuguese.  In
portuguese mata can in fact refer to a forest, woods or a jungle 
area.  and in association with other common terms can mean various 
things.  i.e. mata + borrao = paper blotters, rato(s) derived from rat =
arsenic, virgem = virgin or primeval forest.  I think thats where your
confusing your spanish definition of mata that it has some association
with plants.

don't forget that portuguese was originally a military language developed
and derived from spanish and much of the word and sentence structure is
intentionally confusing.  the meaning of a word structure and the
associated definitions are not defined in the words but in the sentence
structure and sometimes like chinese in the inflection used by the
speaker.

regards
joe

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Jim Choate wrote:

> 
> On Wed, 19 Sep 2001, Xeni Jardin wrote:
> 
> > FWIW, "MATA" in Spanish means "kill." 
> 
> 'mata' means a plant (also 'planta') or a shrub (also 'arbusto').
> 
> '(to) kill (or murder)' is 'matar'.
> 
> as in,
> 
> No matarsThough shall not kill (or murder...depends on how one
> translates the original scripts).
> 
> Matar el tiempoTo kill time.
> 
> Me ha matado con su pelmaceriaHe's so dull he bores me to death.
> 
> 
> Vaya con dios mi amigoGo with God my friend.
> 
> 
>  --
> 
> 
>  Kill them all, take there land, and go there for vacation.
> 
>  Rage Against The Machine
> 
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> 
> 
> 

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Re: Ashcroft's Plans to Shred the Constitution


Ah, thanks. I'll look for it in the analysis, which is on wartimeliberty.com.

-Declan

At 11:48 PM 9/19/01 -0700, Eric Cordian wrote:
>I have no idea where this is in the bill.  I go it from the following
>article which materialized on AP earlier today...

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Re: freedomforum.org: Freedom flees in terror from Sept. 11 disaster

2001-09-20 Thread David Honig

At 11:12 PM 9/19/01 -0500, Jim Choate wrote:
>http://www.freedomforum.org/templates/document.asp?documentID=14924
>-- 

"New York police and members of the National Guard
confiscated film from journalists and tourists."

I haven't heard of this (except of video of palestinians
partying in palestine).  Any other reports of blatant
domestic censorship?

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[Fwd: [biofuel] Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to safeguardnuclear plants]

2001-09-20 Thread Harmon Seaver

 Original Message 
Subject: [biofuel] Global atomic agency confesses little can
be done to safeguardnuclear plants
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2001 22:07:31 +0900
From: Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

http://enn.com/news/wire-stories/2001/09/09192001/ap_45005.asp
- 9/19/2001 - ENN.com
Global atomic agency confesses little can be done to
safeguard nuclear plants

Wednesday, September 19, 2001

By William J. Kole, Associated Press

VIENNA, Austria - Security is being tightened at the world's
nuclear 
power plants, an international watchdog agency said Monday,
but it 
conceded that little can be done to shield a nuclear
facility from a 
direct hit by an airliner.

Most nuclear power plants were built during the 1960s and
1970s, and 
like the World Trade Center, they were designed to withstand
only 
accidental impacts from the smaller aircraft widely used at
the time, 
the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) said as it
opened its 
annual conference. "If you postulate the risk of a jumbo jet
full of 
fuel, it is clear that their design was not conceived to
withstand 
such an impact," spokesman David Kyd said.

U.S. Energy Secretary Spencer Abraham was among delegates
from 132 
nations who opened the conference with calls to better
safeguard 
nuclear plants and to keep nuclear materials out of
terrorists' hands.

Abraham brought a message from President George W. Bush to
the 
Vienna-based IAEA, urging the agency to keep pace with "the
real and 
growing threat of nuclear proliferation." The world "must
ensure that 
nuclear materials are never used as weapons of terror,"
Abraham said. 
"We cannot assume that tomorrow's terrorist acts will mirror
those 
we've just experienced."

In the wake of last week's attacks in New York and
Washington, 
governments have tightened security outside nuclear power
and 
radioactive waste facilities worldwide.

But Japan, which is heavily dependent on nuclear energy and
has 52 
nuclear plants, warned Monday that although tighter security
is 
needed, nothing can shield the plants from attacks by
missiles or 
aircraft.

Conference delegates, who began Monday with a minute of
silence and a 
song from the Vienna Boy's Choir in memory of the victims of
the U.S. 
attacks, met behind closed doors Monday and Tuesday on ways
to 
improve plant security.

In the West, nuclear power plants were designed more with
ground 
vehicle attacks in mind, Kyd said. Although many were
designed to 
withstand a glancing blow from a small commercial jetliner,
a direct 
hit at high speed by a modern jumbo jet "could create a
Chernobyl 
situation," said an American official who declined to be
identified. 
However, the buildings that house nuclear reactors
themselves are far 
smaller targets than the Pentagon posed, and it would be
extremely 
difficult for a terrorist to mount a direct hit at an angle
that 
could unleash a catastrophic chain of events, Kyd said.

If a nuclear power plant were hit by an airliner, the
reactor would 
not explode, but such a strike could destroy the plant's
cooling 
systems. That could cause the nuclear fuel rods to overheat
and 
produce a steam explosion that could release lethal
radioactivity 
into the atmosphere.

The IAEA said it would work more closely with Interpol and
other 
police agencies to minimize the risk of nuclear materials
falling 
into terrorists' hands. Over the past 12 months, there have
been 13 
known interceptions of trafficked nuclear material
worldwide, the 
agency said.

Officials said it takes at least eight kilograms (17 1/2
pounds) of 
plutonium or 25 kilograms (55 pounds) of enriched uranium to
produce 
a single nuclear weapon, but that only miniscule amounts of
those 
metals are known to have been smuggled in recent years.

"A nuclear weapon requires tremendous expertise. We have no 
indications that any terrorist group is that advanced," Kyd said.

Although nuclear waste potentially could be used to produce
a 
"radiological" weapon, it would take months or years to
kill, and it 
is far cheaper to obtain compounds that could be used to
create 
lethal chemical weapons, he said.

Copyright 2001, Associated Press

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2001-09-20 Thread Anonymous


  It's beginning to look more and more like Tim is absolutely right.
There are just one fuck of a lot of people in this country that really,
seriously, need killing. It is utterly amazing how quickly, because
of one incident, all these "leaders" are jumping thru the "trash
the Constitution" hoop. 
  And, of course, anyone who attempts to actively oppose their fascist
schemes, is "aiding and abetting terrorists". Is there no way out
of this?

Re: somewhat encouraging...

2001-09-20 Thread Matthew Gaylor


At 10:27 PM -0400 9/20/01, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>I suspect that only at MIT, and certain places in the east bay in California,
>are where you'll find peace marches right now. I read a lot of mainstream
>news, and haven't come across much coverage of them...
>
>-Declan

The only other place I'm aware of is in Austin.

Regards,  Matt-



At 5:53 AM -0500 9/20/01, Terry Liberty Parker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Temporary home of 'Austin Against War' web site until (today sometime?) it
>is at austinagainstwar.org (or www.austinagainstwar.org).
>
>  http://www.progressiveaustin.org/austinagainstwar/
>
>There are some who would attempt to capture the war protest for narrow
>partisan aims and the more important many that realize that it must remain
>broad based whith narrow focus to have maximum impact.
>
>Please help broaden support for the effort to:
>
>
>   a.. Oppose the rush to war
>
>   b.. Defend people against racist attacks
>
>   c.. Protect civil liberties
>
>Peace in the Heart of Texas,
>Terry Liberty Parker
>PublicAustinVoiceCall 1.512.494.9176


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Op-ed on encryption: Privacy is no longer an argument


http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/21/0450203

   Crypto Op-Ed: Privacy No Longer an Argument
   posted by admin on Thursday September 20, @11:39PM

   M. W. Guzy has a provocative and not entirely coherent essay
   in Wednesday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Excerpt: "(Then-Senator
   John) Ashcroft wrote that mandating deciphering tools was tantamount
   to requiring 'individuals to surrender the keys to their house... to
   the FBI just in case they are someday suspected of breaking the law.'
   Somehow, that argument rings a little hollow when viewed through the
   smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center... Now, the landscape has
   changed. National sovereignty is at stake, and defeat is not an
   option..." Note that Guzy's essay is part condemnation of modern
   capitalism, part criticism of business for its support of market
   liberalism, and entirely inspired by wartime rhetoric. 



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Re: Pentagon said to eye nuclear attack against terrorists

2001-09-20 Thread Karsten M. Self


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RE: What might have happened on Sept. 11...

2001-09-20 Thread Sandy Sandfort


Inchoate simpered:

> These people aren't afraid to die.

Nonsense.  Just because they are willing to die for their cause in no way
speaks to their inner state.  Also, while they seem willing to die for
something that advances their cause (e.g., a SUCCESSFUL mission), this does
not mean that they are willing to throw their lives away attempting a
mission with an extremely low probability of success.  Cost/benefit
analysis, look into it.

> If they knew everyone on the plane was armed
> they'd get in various place, throw smoke
> grenades, and then fire a couple of rounds
> and duck, all the trigger happy cowboys
> would blow each other away in the confusion.

IF they knew...
IF they could count on there being "trigger happy cowboys" on board (what
nonsense)...
IF they could rely on the "trigger happy cowboys" panicking AND being good
shots (what utter nonsense)...


 S a n d y

RE: What might have happened on Sept. 11...

On Thu, 20 Sep 2001, Sandy Sandfort wrote:

> Inchoate simpered:
> 
> > These people aren't afraid to die.
> 
> Nonsense.  Just because they are willing to die for their cause in no way
> speaks to their inner state.

Talk about nonsense

Since when was 'will' a external state, and just exactly what is an
external state.

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Re: somewhat encouraging...


I suspect that only at MIT, and certain places in the east bay in California,
are where you'll find peace marches right now. I read a lot of mainstream
news, and haven't come across much coverage of them...

-Declan


On Thu, Sep 20, 2001 at 07:34:13PM -0400, Riad S. Wahby wrote:
> ...is that at least _some_ people are against the war.  To my surprise
> and delight, an anti-war march just passed my window taking up all of
> Mass Ave.  Presumably they're marching from MIT up to Harvard.  Not
> like it'll do anything, but it's nice to find people who agree that
> going to war over all this shit just doesn't make sense.
> 
> I was saying to a friend not half an hour ago that maybe our
> generation needs a Vietnam.  I'm at once sad and glad to see that it's
> starting.
> 
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Op-ed on encryption: Privacy is no longer an argument



Speaking of ringing hollow...

How does having keys to my house keep somebody from throwing a fire bomb
on it, or driving a car through it?

It don't. It's a bait and switch.

After it's burned down or a big hole in its side a key is rather
redundent.

On Fri, 21 Sep 2001, Declan McCullagh wrote:

> http://www.wartimeliberty.com/article.pl?sid=01/09/21/0450203
> 
>Crypto Op-Ed: Privacy No Longer an Argument
>posted by admin on Thursday September 20, @11:39PM
> 
>M. W. Guzy has a provocative and not entirely coherent essay
>in Wednesday's St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Excerpt: "(Then-Senator
>John) Ashcroft wrote that mandating deciphering tools was tantamount
>to requiring 'individuals to surrender the keys to their house... to
>the FBI just in case they are someday suspected of breaking the law.'
>Somehow, that argument rings a little hollow when viewed through the
>smoldering ruins of the World Trade Center


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