Re: Meatspace anonymity manual

[Faustine]

Sampo Syreeni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, 5 Jul 2001, Anonymous Coredump wrote:
> 
> >THE BLACK "BLOC" The whole idea of a Black Bloc is that people wear all
> >black, and stay in a tight formation. If people don't stay in formation,
> >and wander around with large gaps in-between, well, that's not a black
> >bloc, that's a march of anarchists wearing black.
> 
> Now, let me get this straight...anarchists whose primary display of 
ideology
> is to stay in tight formation? I understand that anarchy does not imply 
lack
> of organization...but formations? Sheesh.

>So are you being sarcastic or are you really failing to understand
>that Black Blocs are a short-term tactic for possibly illegal
>operations on the street in an environment full of police, and not
>some demonstrative symbol of anarchist philosophy representing their
>vision of society?


Frankly, I don't see how any kind of "short-term tactic for possibly illegal
operations on the street in an environment full of police" could be good 
for anything more than the symbolic. What did these "illegal operations" 
really accomplish apart from getting out a statement? Serious question. I'm 
just not seeing it. 

Making a few gestures pantomiming paramilitary operations is just plain 
suicidal. The bottom line is that in a protest-type situation, you're 
relying on the power of negative PR to keep the police from mowing you down 
any old time they feel like it. It doesn't matter what color you wear or 
how tight you march, you're still as vulnerable as anyone else if you don't 
have some serious, serious gear and training. And is that really the 
direction you're prepared to go? Think about it.

A few acts of vandalism isn't exactly anything I'd call significant. And 
it's kind of sad that you really think anyone with real power and influence 
actually gives a damn about anything that happens at these protests to 
begin with. Sure, it keeps their PR spokesmen spinning, but otherwise it's 
laughed off as a total joke and annoyance. You don't have to like it to 
realize that's the way it is. 

So why not spend your time writing some useful and relevant software or 
books instead, something that really makes an impact. Creativity, not 
destruction.

At any rate, it sure beats facing the prospect of rotting in jail as a 
political prisoner on trumped-up destruction of property charges--sending 
your whole life straight down the toilet for absolutely nothing. 

But it's your lives, do whatever you want. I'm sure you will.


~Faustine.

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RE: Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist violence, says WTO

[Trei, Peter]

> From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Subject:  The Register - Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist
> violence, says WTO
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20242.html
> --
>
This one is actually worth looking at, so I'm going
to do what Jim lacks the ability, intelligence, manners,
social grace,  and common decency to do: post a
nicely formatted copy of the refered article (its short).

Note what the Internet means to the WTO
maximum leader.

Peter Trei

-

Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist
violence, says WTO boss
By Andrew Orlowski
Posted: 06/07/2001 at 22:12 GMT

"Dot com types" are to blame for the violence at recent
gatherings of the World Trade Organisation, according to WTO
director general Mike Moore.

Moore made his remarks in Geneva, in an appeal for citizens
groups (NGOs) to distance themselves from "masked
stone-throwers who claim to want more transparency,
anti-globalization dot.com-types who trot out slogans that
are trite, shallow and superficial," he said.

Which came as news to us. We thought "dot com" types were
too busy braying into mobile phones and snorting enormous
quantities of Bolivian marching powder as they vandalised a
communication infrastructure created at great public expense
for research purposes, with marketing plans that would get a
six year old suspended from kindergarten for frivolity.

They'd certainly be the last group we'd suspect of
complaining about capitalism.

"Critics, who are not all mad or bad, frequently say we have
too much power," Moore conceded generously.

Moore then went on to propose a contract demanding
"transparency from NGOs as to their membership, their
finances, their rules of decision-making," which most
citizens groups will find deliciously ironic.

Alas, we suspect, he was being serious.

A full text of Moore's speech can be found here
http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/spmm_e/spmm67_e.htm

RE: Spy vs Spy (US vs EU)

[Aimee Farr]

Trei wrote:

> [IRNA is the Islamic Republic News Agency
> (ie, Iranian). Adjust your predjudices
> appropriately.]
>
> The solution to European worries over Echelon is
> (wait for it!) more spies!

Their standard answer.

> Note that one of this article's base assumptions
> is that Echelon is primarily used for economic
> espionage. It would be interesting to
> find European takes on this issue.

Indeed. European takes on the privatization of intelligence agencies are
quite illuminating.

~Aimee

>
> Peter Trei
>
> -
> http://www.irna.com/newshtm/eng/14193114.htm
>
> thr 073
> EU-Spy /WRD/
>   MP announces plans for a European intelligence service
> Berlin, July 5, IRNA -- The European Union plans to create a European
> intelligence service, in an effort to counter the American economic
> espionage program 'Echelon', a deputy of the European Parliament was
> quoted saying Thursday in the German daily junge Welt.
>The German member of the European Parliament, Ilka Schroeder of
> the Green Party, referred to the latest report by the espionage
> committee, calling for the formation of a European intelligence
> service to protect European industries against US espionage.
>"It's hypocritical for the parliament to criticize the US Echelon
> surveillance techniques, while there are plans in work to promote
> a European secret service," Schroeder blasted the latest initiative.
>A recent report by a European parliamentary committee confirmed the
> existence of a controversial worldwide espionage network 'Echelon'
> which has caused between Dlrs 13 and 145 billion in financial
> damages to European companies.
>The study, presenting evidence that intelligence services from
> the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and Great Britain are part
> of 'Echelon', called on European firms to guard themselves from this
> ultra-modern form of economic espionage.
>The United States had in the past repeatedly denied the existence
> of 'Echelon' which is reportedly capable of eavesdropping on every
> single telephone call, radio transmission, fax or e-mail message
> around the world.
>US officials had refused to meet with a visiting European
> parliamentary delegation a few weeks ago, wanting information on
> 'Echelon'.
>A member of the EU parliamentary committee, Gerhard Schmid said the
> evidence, consisting of photos, statements by intelligence officials
> working on the project and the results of internet research-proved
> conclusively and without a doubt that this was in fact the case.
>"Companies outside Europe getting hold of this information might
> gain huge advantages," Schmid added.
>The study suggested advanced coding techniques for companies when
> transmitting confidential messages.
> Schmid also referred to the close cooperation between the
> intelligence services of the US and EU member Great Britain, saying it
> might have serious repercussions for the EU's common foreign and
> security policies if the issue was not discussed.
>The worldwide espionage installations of 'Echelon', were created
> in 1947 and initially used for military purposes.
> OT/MHJ/JH
> END
> ::irna19:31

RE: Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist violence, says WTO

[Trei, Peter]

> From: Jim Choate[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Subject:  The Register - Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist
> violence, says WTO
>
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/20242.html
> --
>
This one is actually worth looking at, so I'm going
to do what Jim lacks the ability, intelligence, manners,
social grace,  and common decency to do: post a
nicely formatted copy of the refered article (its short).

Note what the Internet means to the WTO
maximum leader.

Peter Trei

-

Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist
violence, says WTO boss
By Andrew Orlowski
Posted: 06/07/2001 at 22:12 GMT

"Dot com types" are to blame for the violence at recent
gatherings of the World Trade Organisation, according to WTO
director general Mike Moore.

Moore made his remarks in Geneva, in an appeal for citizens
groups (NGOs) to distance themselves from "masked
stone-throwers who claim to want more transparency,
anti-globalization dot.com-types who trot out slogans that
are trite, shallow and superficial," he said.

Which came as news to us. We thought "dot com" types were
too busy braying into mobile phones and snorting enormous
quantities of Bolivian marching powder as they vandalised a
communication infrastructure created at great public expense
for research purposes, with marketing plans that would get a
six year old suspended from kindergarten for frivolity.

They'd certainly be the last group we'd suspect of
complaining about capitalism.

"Critics, who are not all mad or bad, frequently say we have
too much power," Moore conceded generously.

Moore then went on to propose a contract demanding
"transparency from NGOs as to their membership, their
finances, their rules of decision-making," which most
citizens groups will find deliciously ironic.

Alas, we suspect, he was being serious.

A full text of Moore's speech can be found here
http://www.wto.org/english/news_e/spmm_e/spmm67_e.htm

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[ming]

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On Fri, 6 Jul 2001, Ken Brown wrote:

> "A. Melon" wrote:
> > 
> > Well, this is not exactly on topic to any ongoing thread, but its
> > something I'd like to get a few opinions on.  It seems that while
> > science is moving ahead at a such a rate that I'm constantly amazed to
> > see science fiction becoming science fact, at the same time we're seeing
> > more political(?)-fiction(nightmares?) becoming fact as well in the form
> > of government censorship and persecution.  As I'm not exactly excited
> > about the prospect of being shot or winding up in jail indefinitely for
> > 'political crimes', it seems the best options are to simply leave the
> > country altogether or forget about the personal freedoms granted by the
> > constitution.
>  
> > So my question is: where to go?  
> 
> You don't have a whole lot of choice. Few places in the world do even as
> well as the US in the broad range of things you might be interested in.
> 
> > I certainly don't want to leave behind
> > all the neat toys in the US like
> 
> > widespread broadband internet access,
> 
> Any rich country has this, at least in towns, and enclaves in a lot of
> poor ones.
> 
> > massive bookstores,
> 
> Ditto. We probably have better ones over here in Britain than you guys
> do. But you might not like other things about us.
> 
> > high paying tech jobs, 
> 
> If you are techy enough you can get these anywhere. You get paid less in
> poor places of course, but then things are cheaper.
> 
> > Is there any country
> > that has the same technological benefits as the US without the
> > government steadily encroaching into every sector of life?  
> 
> Nope. Most European countries have more restrictive laws than you do,
> though in practice the difference isn't that great. Everywhere you will
> get government interference, it depends what you object to most. The
> kind of personal firearms that are common in the USA are illegal almost
> everywhere else. But then your crazy US alcohol laws are the laughing
> stock of the rest of the non-Muslim world.  In Singapore you can get
> banged up for spitting in the street.
> 
> > How does one
> > 'drop out' of the US and keep all the good things one has become
> > accustomed to?
> 
> Maybe by being very rich and in effect living in a fortress?
> 
> Or by making do with less money.

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RE: Dot-commers to blame for anti-capitalist violence, says WTO

[jamesd]

--
On 6 Jul 2001, at 18:54, Trei, Peter wrote:
> Moore made his remarks in Geneva, in an appeal for citizens
> groups (NGOs) to distance themselves from "masked
> stone-throwers who claim to want more transparency,
> anti-globalization dot.com-types who trot out slogans that
> are trite, shallow and superficial," he said.
> 
> Which came as news to us. We thought "dot com" types were
> too busy braying into mobile phones and snorting enormous
> quantities of Bolivian marching powder as they vandalised a
> communication infrastructure created at great public expense
> for research purposes, with marketing plans that would get a
> six year old suspended from kindergarten for frivolity.

The WTO is under attack both from anti capitalists and pro 
capitalists.  The anti capitalists are attacking it physically, with 
stones.  The pro capitalists are using more sophisticated weapons, 
the "trite, shallow and supercial" arguments he dismisses.

The pro capitalists are arguing that the multilateral approach to 
freeing trade has failed, as now too many people are looking for a 
gravy train in international regulation, and the solution is unilateral 
free trade policies, like those implemented by Singapore and Hong 
Kong -- that the WTO is beginning to be harmful, rather than 
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