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Re: Confusion about Free Speech

[Kevin Elliott]

At 20:32 -0800  on  2/27/01, Tim May wrote:

>Citing libel and slander in the context of "free speech" is a 
>slippery slope. For one thing, neither libel nor slander has 
>anything to do with First Amendment issues, which are limitations on 
>censorship, prior restraint, etc. (Even the infamous "Falsely 
>shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater" is more confusing than 
>illuminating, and certainly has nothing to do with censorship or 
>prior restraint.)

It's illuminating to look at the legal definition of libel/slander. 
To prove either you have to show that the person had malicious intent 
AND new that what they were saying was not true.  Libel/slander is 
not a free speech crime, it's a special type of fraud.
-- 

"As nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both 
instances, there is a twilight when everything remains seemingly 
unchanged.  And it is in such twilight that we all must be most aware 
of change in the air--however slight--lest we become unwitting 
victims of the darkness."
-- Justice William O. Douglas

Kevin "The Cubbie" Elliott 
 ICQ#23758827 

Re: Filtering CDR open

[Tim May]

At 8:20 AM -0800 3/3/01, Eric Murray wrote:
>On Sat, Mar 03, 2001 at 01:15:25AM -0500, Declan McCullagh wrote:
>>  FYI I'm subscribed to cypherpunks from one address; I post to it
>>  from a second; my From: line is a third. I sometimes use a fourth address
>  > to post.
>
>So far I've added 39 addresses that way, 5 of which appear to be remailers.
>Of the rest, roughly half are people who're cross-posting from other lists
>like coderpunks or cryptography (or both), and the rest are
>people who're posting from alternate addresses.
>
>There's 2-3 spam emails for every list email.   Previously I'd been
>filtering most of the spam.  I had no idea it'd gotten this bad.

By the way, I've been subscribed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] for the past 
week or so. It's been a joy not to see the spam and junk and "can u 
help me mak bombz?" noise.

(I was filtering a lot of this junk out by simply filtering all 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] posts into a special folder and then 
occasionally looking for posts by people I recognized, as sometimes 
even _good_ posters were posting to the toad.com address (usually in 
a reply-to-all mode, one assumes). But a lot of junk was still 
getting through.)

Latency from when I post to lne.com to when I get my own message back 
is usually a couple of minutes. I have no idea what it is to other 
nodes. Probably not much longer.

However, I see the address in my Reply-to-all is 
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". This is needlessly confusing, even if 
slack.lne.com resolves to lne.com.

--Tim May
-- 
Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California
Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon
Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go
Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

Tessier-Ashpool now has Neuroserver!!

[Tim May]

At 6:28 PM -0800 3/2/01, Ray Dillinger wrote:
>
>It is a compaq armada m700, with 128M memory and 6G
>hard drive.  It got kiped in San Francisco, on the
>western edge of a neighborhood known as hunter's point.
>It has already been reported to the appropriate police,
>but that's mainly pro forma; in the recovery of such
>items they are nearly useless.
>
>The application is called "Neuroserver".  It exists in
>a full GUI development environment/compiler (NSAE) and
>a windows service (NSRE) with associated runtime admin
>tools. There's also a solaris version, but that wasn't
>on the machine she had.


The sky above Hunter's Point was the color of television, tuned to a 
dead channel."It's not like I'm using Windoze," she heard someone 
say, as she shouldered her way through the crowd around the door of 
the Starbucks, beneath the quartz-halogen floods that lit the docks 
all night like vast stages; where you couldn't see the lights of 
Oakland for the glare of the television sky, not even the towering 
hologram logo of Herbalife, and San Francisco Bay was a black expanse 
where gulls wheeled above drifting shoals of white styrofoam coffee 
cups.

She'd made the classic mistake, the one she'd sworn she'd never make. 
She stole from her employers. She kept something for herself and 
tried to move it through a fence in Sunnyvale. She still wasn't sure 
how ahe'd been discovered, not that it  mattered now, now that 
Neuroserver was in the hands of Tessier-Ashpool.

The Finn was a a Linux hacker, a trafficker in Gnutellaed downloads, 
primarily in software. In the course of his business, he sometimes 
came into contact with other fences, some of whom dealt in the more 
traditional articles of the trade. In assault rifles for lonely 
Cypherpunks, in JPEGs of Britney Spears, in illegal Scientology NOTS.

As she faced the Finn, who had turned the color of television, tuned 
to a dead channel, she stood, stretched, shook herself. "You know, I 
figure the one Tessier-Ashpool sent after that Jimmy, the boy who 
stole the laptop, he must be pretty much the same as the one the 
Detweiler sent to kill CJ."
 
She drew the fletcher from its holster and dialed the barrel to full auto.


--Tim May,channeling Wm. Gibson

-- 
Timothy C. May [EMAIL PROTECTED]Corralitos, California
Political: Co-founder Cypherpunks/crypto anarchy/Cyphernomicon
Technical: physics/soft errors/Smalltalk/Squeak/agents/games/Go
Personal: b.1951/UCSB/Intel '74-'86/retired/investor/motorcycles/guns

RE: AUSA Threatens 60 Minutes in Bell Case

[Aimee Farr]

Young said:

> From: http://cryptome.org/jdb-doj-cbs.htm
>
> "An Assistant US Attorney in Seattle has threatened a CBS
> 60 Minutes reporter who is investigating the prosecution
> of James Dalton Bell in Western Washington District Court,
> warning the reporter that a subpoena will be issued for his
> information if he continues to investigate the case and its
> broader ramifications.
>
> According to a confidential source, AUSA Robb London,
> the prosecutor of the Bell case, warned 60 Minutes reporter
> Adam Ciralsky that a subpoena would be issued to Ciralsky
> for information about persons he had spoken to about the
> case and what he had learned if Ciralsky continued with
> his investigation."

Your site:
 "Unrelated to the Bell case, Ciralsky has been involved in a
long-running legal battle with the Central Intelligence Agency in a dispute
about his former employment in the legal department of the agency." 

Bit of an understatement.

http://antipolygraph.org/litigation/ciralsky/ciralsky-complaint.shtml

By way of contrast: http://www.fas.org/sgp/news/2001/03/ag030101.html


-Aimee

Re: Godwin's Law and Common Reference Points

[James A. Donald]

 --
At 10:06 AM 3/1/2001 -0800, Tim May wrote:
 > I believe there are many valid ways to refer to the Nazis and Hitler
 > without some knee jerk invocation of Godwin's Law. (I haven't talked
 > to Mike in several years, but I expect he would agree that Godwin's
 > Law is often, even usually, invoked in a knee-jerk way.)

The twentieth century taught us many enormously important lessons about 
human nature, social organization, and economics.

Some people are very unhappy with those lessons, so they spin them, or find 
reasons to ignore them.  "It was not socialism, it was state capitalism"

Most invocations of Godwin's law are excuses for not remembering.

When someone spins the lessons of nazism in a misleading way, other people 
usually do not invoke Godwin's law, instead they respond with the opposite 
spin.

Most of the time when Godwin's law is invoked, it is an inappropriate 
response to an appropriate invocation of the lessons of the twentieth century.

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Re: _Godwin_ on Godwin

[James A. Donald]

 --
At 07:51 PM 3/1/2001 -0600, Aimee Farr wrote:
 >  the need to remember the gravity of what the Nazis did.

But those invoking Godwin's law seldom do so because the gravity of Nazi 
crimes is being depreciated by some comparison.

Rather their objection is that because the nazi crimes were uniquely 
wicked, and X is not uniquely wicked, a comparison of nazis with X does not 
apply -- in other words that the evil of the nazis was unique, so we need 
learn no lessons from history.

Of course the evil of the nazis was far from unique, it was merely one of 
the larger of many similar twentieth century crimes -- the armenians, the 
kulaks, and so on and so forth.

The evil of the nazis is not unique.  Over and over again the same causes 
led to the same consequences, and the only way we can stop it from 
happening again and again is to pay attention.

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RE: You have no idea

[Aimee Farr]

A Nomen Nescio lectured:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aimee Elizabeth Farr) recited:

Ah. The "look it up" rule. _May's Law_.

My recital:

-[[We used to hear the expression "Look it up."

-[[When a child asks what a word means, "look it up."

-[[When someone asks where Borneo is located, "look it up."

-[[When a list member asks what a KG-84 is, "look it up."

-[[--Tim May

May's Law stands for the proposition that one should not aggravate Mr. May.



> >Of course, you have all watched this battle for many years, so you
> >have a longevity of insight that I don't have. Probably just the
> >same-ole-same-ole to you...
>
> Believe me, you have NO idea.

Obviously.


> Then, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aimee Elizabeth Farr) recited:
>
> >I can't figure out if you're irked by amateurish elicitation
> >tactics, or if you're trying to give me lessons in how to do better.
>
> I think you can probably figure it out.

I am receiving tutoring offlist. In the 4000 series.


> Ah, I remember the days when I was wet behind the ears on this list.

You are smarter than I am. I'm bleeding all over.


> The collision between the law and cypherpunks certainly creates an
> interesting reaction.

Yes. The PLUNK.

-Miss Farr