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Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net
At 05:26 AM 12/4/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >Traditional Chinese copyright law only applied to civilization, >i.e. Chinese-language books written by Chinese; stuff written by >barbarians wasn't provided, so lots of my Taiwanese fellow students in college >had much lower-cost versions of US-written textbooks, and that tradition >was adapted to software on CD-ROMs at least until recently. Maybe so with Chinese, but many publishers publish overseas-only versions of CS texts because the furriners (e.g., Indians) couldn't afford US rates. I've seen legitimately licensed $5 copies of, e.g., K & R printed on thinner paper...
Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net
At 11:27 AM -0500 12/4/00, David Honig wrote: >At 05:26 AM 12/4/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >>Traditional Chinese copyright law only applied to civilization, >>i.e. Chinese-language books written by Chinese; stuff written by >>barbarians wasn't provided, so lots of my Taiwanese fellow students in >college >>had much lower-cost versions of US-written textbooks, and that tradition >>was adapted to software on CD-ROMs at least until recently. > >Maybe so with Chinese, but many publishers publish >overseas-only versions of CS texts because the furriners (e.g., Indians) >couldn't afford US rates. I've seen legitimately licensed $5 copies >of, e.g., K & R printed on thinner paper... > Do you mean you have an independent channel confirming this "legitimate license," or do you mean the rice paper version has carefully reproduced an approval page? Did you check with the copyright holders? (And independent channel would be a letter or even an electronic statement from the copyright holders saying the version was valid. A digitally signed statement would do.) I don't doubt that differential marketing plans will evolve. Selling a CD-ROM of Microsoft Office for $300 US in Bangalore is just not going to fly, not with the back-alley version selling for the rupee equivalent of $5. "The street will find its own uses for technology." And once Mojo gets running, I'm hoping to buy Microsoft Office for 10 Mojobucks. (So I can then resell it to 50 others) --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
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Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net
At 11:27 AM 12/4/00 -0500, David Honig wrote: >At 05:26 AM 12/4/00 -0500, Bill Stewart wrote: >>Traditional Chinese copyright law only applied to civilization, >>i.e. Chinese-language books written by Chinese; stuff written by >>barbarians wasn't provided, so lots of my Taiwanese fellow students in >college >>had much lower-cost versions of US-written textbooks, and that tradition >>was adapted to software on CD-ROMs at least until recently. > >Maybe so with Chinese, but many publishers publish >overseas-only versions of CS texts because the furriners (e.g., Indians) >couldn't afford US rates. I've seen legitimately licensed $5 copies >of, e.g., K & R printed on thinner paper... That's legitimate, though it often leads to gray-market rules about smuggling stuff. Many of the Chinese-printed textbooks I saw had covers indicating that they were cookbooks, etc., to conceal that they were pirate editions. Tim writes: >I don't doubt that differential marketing plans will evolve. Selling >a CD-ROM of Microsoft Office for $300 US in Bangalore is just not >going to fly, not with the back-alley version selling for the rupee >equivalent of $5. > >"The street will find its own uses for technology." > >And once Mojo gets running, I'm hoping to buy Microsoft Office for 10 >Mojobucks. > >(So I can then resell it to 50 others) Tim, you're evil and twisted. Not because you're suggesting ripping off MS, but because you're proposing inflicting that unreliable bloatware on people :-) Thanks! Bill Bill Stewart, [EMAIL PROTECTED] PGP Fingerprint D454 E202 CBC8 40BF 3C85 B884 0ABE 4639
Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net
At 12:23 PM 12/4/00 -0500, Tim May wrote: > >Do you mean you have an independent channel confirming this >"legitimate license," or do you mean the rice paper version has >carefully reproduced an approval page? I believed the dead-tree 'region codes'. I had no reason to be more diligent. Not my royalties :-) Besides, since when are fake Rolexes engraved with something saying, "This cheap fake is authorized by Rolex Inc for sale to third worlders only" Neither did I check to see if the texts were the same. You are merely making a point about authentication I presume?
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Re: Missed News: US Adopts Euro Cyber Crime Proposal ...
> n an October 18 statement signed by groups around the world, critics > said logs based on such archived data had been used to track > dissidents and > persecute minorities. > We urge you not to establish this requirement in a modern > communications network,'' said a 27-group coalition including the > American Civil Liberties > Union, Privacy International and the Internet Society. > > `Police agencies and powerful private interests acting outside of the > democratic means of accountability have sought to use a closed process > to establish > rules that will have the effect of binding legislation,'' the groups > added. > > In its response to these concerns, the Justice Department said there > was no such retention requirement at issue but a data ``preservation'' > provision. > > "Preservation is not a new idea; it has been the law in the United > States for nearly five years,'' the statement said. Preservation of logs is "the law"? That's news to me. I've never preserved a log over the 4 weeks or so that the default unix config. -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS Systems Librarian Arrowhead Library SystemVirginia, MN (218) 741-3840 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://harmon.arrowhead.lib.mn.us
Re: Missed News: US Adopts Euro Cyber Crime Proposal ...
Harmon Seaver wrote: > > "Preservation is not a new idea; it has been the law in the United > > States for nearly five years,'' the statement said. > > Preservation of logs is "the law"? That's news to me. I've never > preserved a log over the 4 weeks or so that the default unix config. > Not only that, but we don't and have never kept any sort of router logs, which is really what they would be after, I'd think. And we are the ISP for all the libraries in the whole NE part of MN. Just think of all those perverts and narco-terrorists using the free internet access in our libraries to keep in touch with Osama anonymously. Shame on us, shame, shame! -- Harmon Seaver, MLIS Systems Librarian Arrowhead Library SystemVirginia, MN (218) 741-3840 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://harmon.arrowhead.lib.mn.us
Re: Missed News: US Adopts Euro Cyber Crime Proposal ...
At 4:00 PM -0500 12/4/00, Harmon Seaver wrote: >Harmon Seaver wrote: > >> > "Preservation is not a new idea; it has been the law in the United >> > States for nearly five years,'' the statement said. >> >> Preservation of logs is "the law"? That's news to me. I've never >> preserved a log over the 4 weeks or so that the default unix config. >> > > Not only that, but we don't and have never kept any sort of >router logs, >which is really what they would be after, I'd think. And we are the >ISP for all >the libraries in the whole NE part of MN. Just think of all those perverts and >narco-terrorists using the free internet access in our libraries to >keep in touch >with Osama anonymously. Shame on us, shame, shame! I did some Google searches, on "preservation logs online" and found nothing. I tried some variations. I expect the nature of legal data bases is that Google will probably not turn up obscure legal rulings which failed to get media or activist attention. Maybe Findlaw will turn up something. I would be very interesting in seeing the full context of the U.S. official's basis for his comment that "preservation has been the law for nearly five years." From the time period, I am expecting CALEA is being implicated here. It would be an interesting First Amendment case if there were some putative requirement that all communications be logged (absent some specific court order to do so). The cynical point of view is that this is just one of the tens of thousands of regulations which our overbusy imperial capital generates every year. More things to turn us all into felons. I briefly had some hope when I saw a yellow Ryder truck heading north, towards Washington. Hot damn, I thought, we're gonna see another mcveighing! Alas, it was only some chads and dimples. --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
Re: Buying Mein Kampf via the Net
At 11:49 AM 12/4/00 -0800, Bill Stewart wrote: >That's legitimate, though it often leads to gray-market rules >about smuggling stuff. >Many of the Chinese-printed textbooks I saw had covers >indicating that they were cookbooks, etc., to conceal that >they were pirate editions. > Hilarious. I might have offered to buy a K & R disguised as a chinese cookbook.
Re: Missed News: US Adopts Euro Cyber Crime Proposal ...
At 03:00 PM 12/4/00 -0500, Ernest Hua wrote: > >http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/internet/docs/70519 This just about sums it up: Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil Liberties Union, said the pact could force police in the United States to conduct searches under rules established by treaty ''that don't respect the limits of police powers imposed by the U.S. Constitution.'' http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001204/wr/crime_tech_dc_1.html
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Re: Missed News: US Adopts Euro Cyber Crime Proposal ...
At 9:14 PM -0500 12/4/00, David Honig wrote: >At 03:00 PM 12/4/00 -0500, Ernest Hua wrote: >> >>http://www0.mercurycenter.com/svtech/news/breaking/internet/docs/70519 > >This just about sums it up: > >Barry Steinhardt, associate director of the American Civil > Liberties Union, said the pact could force police in the > United States to conduct searches under rules established > by treaty ''that don't respect the limits of police powers > imposed by the U.S. Constitution.'' > >http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/20001204/wr/crime_tech_dc_1.html > This is old news to followers of the New World Order, the Blue Helmets, and the Zionist Occupation Government. Barry S. is reacting quickly to the changing ground truth of the election: the civil liberties groups used to avoid such implications of the NWO, but now that Republicans are about to take over, the ACLU will likely soon be talking about black helicopters and re-education camps being built to house the political prisoners. I wonder who the Tim McVeigh of the Left will be? --Tim May -- (This .sig file has not been significantly changed since 1992. As the election debacle unfolds, it is time to prepare a new one. Stay tuned.)
