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Re: [Press Release List] RMI.NET TO PROTECT INTERNET USERS'
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Re: Fw: Freedom of Secrecy
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Re: [Press Release List] RMI.NET TO PROTECT INTERNET USERS'
At 10:20 AM 7/31/2000 -0400, you wrote: >can anyone tell me how to get off this list? > >David Gotlieb send mail to majordomo at whatever cyperpunks node you're subscribed to, with unsubscribe cypherpunks in the body of the message if that doesn't work, you'll need more serious magic -landon
Re: TYPIST
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Re: ZKS economic analysis
petro wrote: <> > >You are hereby sentenced to read thirty hours of Hettinga-rants on > >settlement costs in digital commerce transactions. > > Doesn't the constitution ban cruel and unusual punishments? No, that applies only to actions by the government. Other bans on cruel and unusual acts would come under criminal law, common law, or possibly tort law. (This is a US-centric comment, of course, but US centrism is implied by your statement.) But some of us are actually interested in settlement costs in digital commerce transactions. Thirty hours might be a bit much, but I wouldn't mind reading more on it. ;-) -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel 518-374-4720 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USPO still trying to SPAM everyone
Anonymous wrote: > > Fuck, no traffic on cpunks except this ... > > >Actually, it is the U.S. Postal Service. Officials there are planning > >to offer people living at all 120 million of the nation's residential > >street addresses free e-mail addresses. It would link the e-mail and > > The stupidity of the author, ny.politics readers and George > is flabbergasting. Maybe George can be saved: > > - there is no technology known to man that can force user > to check the POP mailbox that he is not interested in. Technology is not needed. Once every American has access to an internet connection, thanks to the benevolent government's phone surcharge, and everyone has a permanent email address, thanks to our wise government's far-seeing policies, our lords and masters can start sending essential notices only to those addresses. Paper notices won't be sent because they cost too many dollars which can instead be put into scholarships for disadvantaged youth, and email addresses with private ISPs won't be accepted for this service because the federal government can't trust those addresses to be current. It might take a few years before the subjects are required to check their USPO email regularly, but they can be held responsible for the contents of the mailbox immediately. The ID of this mailbox will of course be the SSN, because that's a guaranteed-unique number which every subject is required to have anyway. -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel 518-374-4720 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: USPO still trying to SPAM everyone
On Mon, Jul 31, 2000 at 10:50:12PM -0400, Steven Furlong wrote: > Technology is not needed. Once every American has access to an > internet connection, thanks to the benevolent government's phone > surcharge, and everyone has a permanent email address, thanks to our > wise government's far-seeing policies, our lords and masters can start > sending essential notices only to those addresses. Paper notices won't > be sent because they cost too many dollars which can instead be put > into scholarships for disadvantaged youth, and email addresses with > private ISPs won't be accepted for this service because the federal > government can't trust those addresses to be current. It might take a > few years before the subjects are required to check their USPO email > regularly, but they can be held responsible for the contents of the > mailbox immediately. Well, but: The biggest (I think) source of income for the USPO is not selling mailboxes or packages or personal letters. It's junk^H^H^H^Hbulk mail. This is why the USPO has always been reticent to do anything significant to help you cut down on all the useless crap you get in your mailbox. Junk mail is paid for on a delivery basis. (With the exception of refusing mail, which usually ends up thrown away) once it's in your post box you MUST process it. You can't just let it stay, you can't tell them not to deliver it (again, with few exceptions; read junkbusters for how things work). You don't need to read it or take it in your house, but it's essentially guranteed that you need to handle it. So the question is, how can the USPO charge for delivering junk email? The answer is, only if they have a reasonable probability the messages will be "delivered." This is a very different economic model from regular spam, I think. Why? Because we have many ways of identifying and deleting spam withOUT seeing it. It seems to me the solution is worse, not better, than Steven suggests. I anticipate a solution that forces you to experience the ads (sort of like the MPAA is trying to do with DVDs + the DMCA). Yes, you must check your USPO email regularly for citizen alerts (e.g., voter registration, driver license renewal, social security). Furthermore, you must use our mail client, which assures everyone that you are really you and you really read those messages. Today's messages in our mail client are sponsored by (No, you can't build a device that circumvents the software responsible for sending you those messages, under section 1201.) > The ID of this mailbox will of course be the SSN, because that's a > guaranteed-unique number which every subject is required to have > anyway. Or some sort of state ID (drivers license etc.). How long before the states will jump on the bandwagon? -- Greg
Re: USPO still trying to SPAM everyone
Ray Dillinger wrote: > No one has yet died of spam, one case of an irate recipient > murdering a spammer notwithstanding. !!! Do you have any details? A URL would be perfect. I'd include a one- liner and the URL in my friendly warnings to annoying spammers. (Yes, that's redundant.) If they don't get the hint, well, I guess the gene pool needs cleaning. And I'm curious: Was the killer identified? If so, was he charged with murder, or given a medal for civic service? > Bear Hey, now, my main screen name is Goat. Is this some sort of plot to make cryptography seem warm and fuzzy? -- Steve Furlong, Computer Condottiere Have GNU, will travel 518-374-4720 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
