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Re: Treasury CIS

2000-03-21 Thread David Honig

At 08:25 AM 3/21/00 -0500, John Young wrote:
>A while ago there was mention here of the Treasury
>Department's Computer Investigator Specialist Program
>(CIS) unit showing up in various logs. Here is the unit's 
>home page, which describes its mission, and where it 
>hosts a large collection of security tools:

Including Back Orifice.  I guess that's ok now since
Mudge is partying with the Feds.








  








Re: CDR: Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in itssoftware

2000-03-21 Thread Sunder

Ed Gerck wrote:
 
> 
> > in general, the general public profits if some secret algorithm gets
> > known. to be honest, I can't think of a single counter-example.

> As to the counter-example you ask, the general public profits by
> lack of disclosure of the algorithm that allows nuclear bombs
> to be made with 1 pound of enriched uranium.   We have less
> nuclear powers.

You say that like it's a bad thing.  It allows smaller nations to be brought up
to nuclear power status, and thus protect themselves from larger enemies.  For
instance if say Taiwan had a nuclear arsenal, then Red China would think twice
about bulling them, etc.

I'd say the general public of Taiwan would feel much safer in such a situation.


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Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in

2000-03-21 Thread David Honig

At 03:53 PM 3/21/00 -0500, Sunder wrote:
>
>I'd say the general public of Taiwan would feel much safer in such a
situation.

It will be interesting to see, 20 years hence, whether 
the Pakis' and the Indians' recent engineering feats are
stabilizing or used.  One doubts they're irrelevent,
if only for psyops.

The Taiwanese depend on US nukes, and the Chinese depend
on our not wanting to use them.  "Very interesting" turn
of the century..
















  








Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in

2000-03-21 Thread David Honig

At 12:19 PM 3/21/00 -0500, Ed Gerck wrote:
>  Also, in the US as well as in most
>countries, a newspaper can protect the anonymity of its source, a
>private company does not have to disclose its statements, etc. --
>all,  expressions of privacy rights.

That's going away now that everyone's a publisher.








  








Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in

2000-03-21 Thread David Honig

At 12:27 PM 3/21/00 -0500, Tom Vogt wrote:
>just wouldn't call it privacy, or better: the equivalent of privacy in
>german ("Privatsphäre").

What is sphäre? 








  








Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in

2000-03-21 Thread Petro

Vogt:
>I don't think they had any of these deep thoughts. they were just pissed
>that the software wouldn't tell them what it did. I occasionally rip
>software apart for very similiar reasons, like finding out what it does,
>or how it does it. if curiosity is a crime, we should all go back and
>live in caves.

They're working on that.
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the First, we'd have a right to bear nuclear arms by now.--Ann Coulter





No Subject

2000-03-21 Thread Secret Squirrel

Subject: LA sheriff hassles author

L.A. Sheriff Wants Warning on
 Fake Stalker Site
 Web Page Purports to Be Diary of an Obsession 

 March 20, 2000 

 By David Noack 

 LOS ANGELES -- A fictional Web site striving to be a 
work of art
 imitating life features the imaginary obsessive 
thoughts and desires
 of a stalker, which has garnered the attention of 
some law
 enforcement officials. 

 The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department has 
contacted the
 owner of the "For the Love of Julie" Web site and 
asked that its
 content either be changed or a more prominent 
disclaimer displayed
 informing computer users who access the site that 
what the contents
 are fictional. 


http://www.apbnews.com/newscenter/internetcrime/2000/03/20/fakesite0320_01.html





No Subject

2000-03-21 Thread Secret Squirrel

Subject: responsibility

I countered with the observation that, by making the tapes available to the 
government, the
companies had to know they were providing the wherewithal for the government to use 
them
however it wanted. They had to bear some responsibility. 

This comment caused Tordella's temper to flare for the first time during our 
interview. The
companies were not responsible, he reiterated, they were just doing what the 
government asked
them to do because they were assured it was important to national security. If their 
role were
exposed by the Committee, it would subject them to embarrassment, if not lawsuits, and 
it would
discourage other companies from cooperating with US intelligence for years to come. 

excerpted from http://cryptome.org/nsa-shamrock.htm
at the poet's stash





Re: CyberPatrol sues cryptanalysts who revealed flaws in

2000-03-21 Thread Tim May

At 10:34 PM -0500 3/21/00, David Honig wrote:
>At 12:19 PM 3/21/00 -0500, Ed Gerck wrote:
>>   Also, in the US as well as in most
>>countries, a newspaper can protect the anonymity of its source, a
>>private company does not have to disclose its statements, etc. --
>  >all,  expressions of privacy rights.
>
>That's going away now that everyone's a publisher.
>

More to the point, the First Amendment is _not_, repeat _not_, a 
protection against subpoenas, warrants, etc. At least not according 
to the United States Constitution.

"Wired" has no more constitutional protections than Jim Bell has.

However, various states have enacted so-called "shield laws," and 
some scholars take the outcomes of various court cases (like Zenger, 
like Sullivan) to mean that newspapers have some special magical 
First Amendment protections which ordinary proles and sheeple don't 
have. Balderdash.

--Tim May

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Suing for publishing social security no.

2000-03-21 Thread David Honig


An actor is suing eBay for what some JimBellJudges did
to some cypherpunks: publish their SSID.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/nm/2320/en/people-orbach_1.html

Monday March 20 7:46 PM ET 

 Actor sues eBay over Social Security number

 NEW YORK (Reuters) - Actor Jerry Orbach is a court regular as Detective
Lennie Briscoe in
 NBC's television drama ``Law & Order,'' but Monday the action was real
when he sued online
 auctioneer eBay Inc. for displaying his Social Security number on the
Internet.

 The suit, filed in Manhattan federal court, alleges that eBay began
posting the confidential
 information on its Web site last Wednesday when it advertised the sale of
two of Orbach's
 contracts from 1958.

 The suit alleges that eBay said it was selling the contracts on behalf of
The History Store, a
 dealer of used books, documents and autographic materials. The History
Store is also named as
 a defendant.

 The the 64-year-old actor alleges that the defendants did not get his
permission to use his name
 and Social Security number. By disseminating the information over the
Internet, Orbach has
 allegedly been exposed to ``identity theft,'' credit card fraud and his
credit-worthiness could be
 affected, the suit said.

 The suit says the amount of damage Orbach has suffered has not yet been
determined.