Re: Request new Ruby release
On 5 May 2018 at 02:56, Steven Penny wrote: > On Sat, 5 May 2018 07:27:22, Marco Atzeri wrote: >> >> I am still waiting that you show your code. > > > i did, here, i can do it again: > > http://github.com/svnpenn > >> Jon Yong is doing an hell of job taming a monster program, > > > no one is arguing that, i agree its a tough package to maintain > >> and your comments are NOT appropriated. > > > certainly not by you - and probably others on this list. but my arguments do > have merit. GCC as an example is a fast updating package. and as > "politically > incorrect" as it might be, jon could be doing a better job in regards to > velocity of release - at a minimum we should have test versions for GCC 7 > and > or 8 already for ALL arches and ALL targets. > >> I do not see a huge queue of volunteers, > > > this is a false assumption - no one volunteers because a maintainer is > already > in place - thats like applying for a job that is filled - but if he vacated > and > corinna or whatever posted an "opening" - i am confident it would be filled > quickly > That is where this is falling down. A lot of maintainers are not going to step aside because they have had too many experiences of where someone has said they will help out/take over etc and then disappear for a million legitimate reasons. Most maintainers in open source software will step aside when someone has shown they are going to not just poke and prod but actually are doing things like 'Hey I made a set of builds with gcc8 and rebuilt all this to see what broke.. can someone else look at things to see how this is going?' and then after that person has shown that they have kept up with things for multiple releases, helped out and been helping them and others, the responsibilities start getting moved over. This isn't always the case, if there are various leaf packages but if there are ones with hundreds of dependencies like gcc or ruby.. it isn't advertised of 'oh I am looking for a maintainer..' because you get burnt too many times with the people who want to make a name for themselves but don't have the skill, the people who are looking to push an agenda (everything from 'I put in this patch which rootkits everyone' to 'I think all developers should default to -Werror only ever'), people who would be good but have no clue who to contact in other groups when problems occur, and maybe someone who does fit into this. Which is why most developers end up looking for the people who show they want to do something by doing it first, asking for help instead of demanding it, and start showing up in upstream areas looking to fix things. When I started into this nearly 30 years ago, I thought that was too slow, too asinine, and too feudal and needed to be shook up. In the end I learned that the system is the way it is because it works in good days and bad ones. It isn't ideal but for small volunteer projects it seems to be the one long term ones go to. That said, it isn't the only one and if you want to show everyone how to do it differently.. you are free to set up your own project which does things the way you need it to. That is how innovation gets kickstarted when people get too complacent. -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Error
This is very strange, I downloaded johntheripper from the official website and I get this error: 1 [main] john 10244 find_fast_cwd: WARNING: Couldn't compute FAST_CWD pointer. Please report this problem to the public mailing list cygwin@cygwin.com Cygwin was not installed on my pc. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: find_fast_cwd WARNING
On 2018-05-05 12:10, Maxime M wrote: > This is very strange, I downloaded johntheripper from the official website > and I get this error: > 1 [main] john 10244 find_fast_cwd: WARNING: Couldn't compute FAST_CWD > pointer. Please report this problem to > the public mailing list cygwin@cygwin.com > > Cygwin was not installed on my pc. JohnTheRipper includes an old Cygwin version as part of its install, that has not been updated to support your current Windows version. We have had a number of these reports this last week. This is just a warning to please upgrade Cygwin as explained at: https://cygwin.com/faq.html#faq.using.fixing-find_fast_cwd-warnings and please report the issue to whoever distributes the software that installed the old Cygwin version. -- Take care. Thanks, Brian Inglis, Calgary, Alberta, Canada -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: gcc-7.3.0-2 (x86/x86_64)(Test)
gcc-7.3.0-2 has been uploaded for Cygwin. This version is for testing. Java support has been removed from upstream GCC, GCJ is no longer available. Changes since -1: * Enabled libstdc++ filesystem feature as requested by Nuno Lopes. *** CYGWIN-ANNOUNCE UNSUBSCRIBE INFO *** If you want to unsubscribe from the cygwin-announce mailing list, look at the "List-Unsubscribe: " tag in the email header of this message. Send email to the address specified there. It will be in the format: cygwin-announce-unsubscribe-you=yourdomain.com cygwin.com If you need more information on unsubscribing, start reading here: http://sourceware.org/lists.html#unsubscribe-simple Please read *all* of the information on unsubscribing that is available starting at this URL. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: pugixml-1.9-1
The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution: * libpugixml1-1.9-1 * libpugixml-devel-1.9-1 * pugixml-doc-1.9-1 pugixml is a lightweight C++ XML processing library. This is an update to the latest upstream release. Dave. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: libebml-1.3.6-1
The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution: * libebml4-1.3.6-1 * libebml-devel-1.3.6-1 libebml is a library for reading and writing files with the Extensible Binary Meta Language, a binary pendant to XML. This is an update to the latest upstream release. Dave. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: libmatroska-1.4.9-1
The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution: * libmatroska6-1.4.9-1 * libmatroska-devel-1.4.9-1 libmatroska is a C++ library to parse Matroska files (*.mkv, *.mka). This is an update to the latest upstream release. Dave. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: mkvtoolnix-23.0.0-1
The following packages have been updated in the Cygwin distribution: * mkvtoolnix-23.0.0-1 * mkvtoolnix-gui-23.0.0-1 MKVToolNix is a set of tools to create, alter and inspect Matroska files (*.mkv, *.mka). This is an update to the latest upstream release. Dave. -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
Re: Request new Ruby release
On 2018-05-05 01:56, Steven Penny wrote: > On Sat, 5 May 2018 07:27:22, Marco Atzeri wrote: >> Jon Yong is doing an hell of job taming a monster program, >> and your comments are NOT appropriated. > > certainly not by you - and probably others on this list. The question is, if you actually understand your comments are not appreciated, why do you insist on making them anyway? > GCC as an example is a fast updating package. No, not really. > and as "politically incorrect" as it might be, jon could be doing a > better job in regards to velocity of release Jon is doing just fine, and has our full confidence and backing. We simply don't have the manpower of large distributions to deal with the consequences of potential compiler bugs, so we tend to aim for X.3.0. > at a minimum we should have test versions for GCC 7 and or 8 already https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2018-04/msg00034.html https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-announce/2018-05/msg2.html > for ALL arches and ALL targets. Jon does not maintain all of the cross-compilers, and as he already stated earlier, the native GCC 7 is a prerequisite to the MinGW GCC 7 because GNAT is written in Ada. As for the aforementioned cygwin*-gcc, those are 32<->64 bit cross-compilers. I dropped Ada from those because there really isn't a use for it since the original 64-bit bootstrapping. >> and I do not see your maintaining efforts. > > not sure what you mean by this - no i havent maintained an official cygwin > package Exactly. Griping (or worse) at those who are actually doing the work while you contribute nothing doesn't get you very far. Perhaps the following will help you gain some perspective: Almost 10 years ago, I was the one being similarly targeted, and an "older" (at least wrt Cygwin), now former, contributor to Cygwin rightfully came to my defence in epic fashion: https://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin-xfree/2008-11/msg00242.html I have never forgotten that, and hence am prepared to similarly defend my fellow contributors (albeit probably not as eloquently). >> This only show how ignorant you are about programming language and >> their usage. Clearly you are not an engineer. > > id say the same to you - as you seen keen on throwing insults rather > than links and examples - cheers. You are the one who insists on throwing insults time and again, and I have warned you about your tone before. I suggest you take heed. -- Yaakov -- Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/ Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple
