Re: [computer-go] June KGS bot tournament: small boards, slowish

2008-06-14 Thread Nick Wedd

Reminder - it's tomorrow.

Registration is now open for this Sunday's bot tournament on KGS.  The 
Formal division will be a 6-round Swiss using 13x13 boards, 28 minutes 
each sudden death.  The Open division will be a 9-round Swiss using 9x9 
boards, 18 minutes each sudden death.  It will start at 08:00 UTC 
(=GMT), and end at about 14:00 UTC.


Registration is as described at
http://www.weddslist.com/kgs/how/index.html

As last month, when you register you should tell me the processor power 
(number of processors, processor speed, and any other significant 
details) of the platform that it will be running on.  This is so that 
the processor power can be stated on my report of the event, making 
comparisons between programs more meaningful for anyone reading the 
report.


The tournaments themselves are on the KGS site at
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=390 and
http://www.gokgs.com/tournInfo.jsp?id=391.
These pages may give the times of the rounds in your local timezone, 
depending on your browser and its settings.


Nick
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[computer-go] Go freestyle / BYO / Re: US Go Congress Computer Tournament: Who's Playing

2008-06-14 Thread Ryan Grant
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:59:01PM -0700, Peter Drake wrote:
> Could others please sound off on whether you're coming, and if not,  
> why not?

hi Peter, a friend and i have been working on a Go program, but at the
moment, neither of us can arrange to attend.  our program is also in a
more pupal phase than usual, so we couldn't gain much information from
playing through a representitive.

on the rules...

the "bring your own hardware" rule seems necessary to keep human
cheaters out, once there's prize money on the table.  it may also be
designed to keep out supercomputers.  given the inevitable requirement
to use scalable multiprocessor programming techniques to make a strong
Go program, the effects of this rule on allowed computer architecture
are certainly important.  paradoxically, renting a supercomputer for
an hour is probably more affordable and field-levelling than buying an
expensive laptop.

perhaps it's time to broaden a Computer Go Tournament to also
include Freestyle Go, where collaboration and cyborgs are invited.

kind of like this:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Chess

it would be pointless to involve the current purse for such a
competitive class, since Computer Go programmers would just be crushed
by teams of strong human players.

however, you could draw in a wider range of programming styles by
allowing internet connections, while also promoting those aspects of
Computer Go which involve collaboration with humans.  this model can
continue to inspire long after programs mature to the level of top
competition.

- Ryan Grant

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Re: [computer-go] Go freestyle / BYO / Re: US Go Congress Computer Tournament: Who's Playing

2008-06-14 Thread Don Dailey
The "bring your own hardware" rule is probably a practical 
consideration,  but I truly hate any kind of restriction on what you can 
run on.   You effectively close the door to some entrants that may have 
some real relevance.There is something even worse than that 
however.   The so called "uniform platform" tournaments where the 
organizers supply the machine and the OS is dictated to you.  


- Don


Ryan Grant wrote:

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 09:59:01PM -0700, Peter Drake wrote:
  
Could others please sound off on whether you're coming, and if not,  
why not?



hi Peter, a friend and i have been working on a Go program, but at the
moment, neither of us can arrange to attend.  our program is also in a
more pupal phase than usual, so we couldn't gain much information from
playing through a representitive.

on the rules...

the "bring your own hardware" rule seems necessary to keep human
cheaters out, once there's prize money on the table.  it may also be
designed to keep out supercomputers.  given the inevitable requirement
to use scalable multiprocessor programming techniques to make a strong
Go program, the effects of this rule on allowed computer architecture
are certainly important.  paradoxically, renting a supercomputer for
an hour is probably more affordable and field-levelling than buying an
expensive laptop.

perhaps it's time to broaden a Computer Go Tournament to also
include Freestyle Go, where collaboration and cyborgs are invited.

kind of like this:
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Chess

it would be pointless to involve the current purse for such a
competitive class, since Computer Go programmers would just be crushed
by teams of strong human players.

however, you could draw in a wider range of programming styles by
allowing internet connections, while also promoting those aspects of
Computer Go which involve collaboration with humans.  this model can
continue to inspire long after programs mature to the level of top
competition.

- Ryan Grant

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