Refreshing an NSTableView with some columns using bindings, others not..
Hi Everyone, I have a reasonably mixed NSTableView object.. I have some columns bound to my NSArrayController, which drives an NSCell with a Checkbox. I have other Columns which are driven by the traditional delegate calls, so that I can add some logic to change the text color, depending upon the state of the objects in the NSArray. What I am seeing, is that if I have some sort of activity that changes the state of the object, my checkbox is updated immediately by the NSArrayController. However, the delegate calls that are used to change the Text Color only occur if I click inside my UI. Is there a way to make this update along side the bindings? Or am I going to have to create an IBOutlet to my TableView, and do a [tableView reloadData] everywhere that I touch any object in my NSArrayController? Should I subclass my NSArrayController and have it issue this command? Thanks! bob. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
resolve alias on ios 4
Hi, how to resolve alias on ios 4 or earlier? This is unusual one has not got neither CoreServices nor bookmarks . -- best regards Ariel ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Refreshing an NSTableView with some columns using bindings, others not..
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:14 AM, Robert Monaghan wrote: > I have a reasonably mixed NSTableView object.. I have some columns bound to > my NSArrayController, which drives an NSCell with a Checkbox. I have other > Columns which are driven by the traditional delegate calls, so that I can add > some logic to change the text color, depending upon the state of the objects > in the NSArray. > > What I am seeing, is that if I have some sort of activity that changes the > state of the object, my checkbox is updated immediately by the > NSArrayController. However, the delegate calls that are used to change the > Text Color only occur if I click inside my UI. > > Is there a way to make this update along side the bindings? Or am I going to > have to create an IBOutlet to my TableView, and do a [tableView reloadData] > everywhere that I touch any object in my NSArrayController? Should I subclass > my NSArrayController and have it issue this command? You will need to make such a call, although -reloadDataForRowIndexes:columnIndexes: would be preferred and have fewer side effects. How or when, however, may be tricky. Close to the event that caused the data change would be most robust I imagine... HTH, Keary Suska Esoteritech, Inc. "Demystifying technology for your home or business" ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: resolve alias on ios 4
How are you coming across an alias on iOS 4? On 14 Jun 2012, at 05:00, Ariel Feinerman wrote: > Hi, > > how to resolve alias on ios 4 or earlier? This is unusual one has not got > neither CoreServices nor bookmarks . > > -- > best regards > Ariel > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/cocoadev%40mikeabdullah.net > > This email sent to cocoa...@mikeabdullah.net ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Demo Version
The Mac App Store guidelines indicates that "Apps that are "beta", "demo", "trial", or "test" versions will be rejected". So if potential customers need to go to my website to download a demo version then I might as well offer the retail version for sale on my website also. Why use the Mac App Store? --Richard ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Demo Version
.. because otherwise potential customers wouldn't find their way to your website? Tim Am 14.06.2012 um 19:41 schrieb Richard Somers: > The Mac App Store guidelines indicates that "Apps that are "beta", "demo", > "trial", or "test" versions will be rejected". > > So if potential customers need to go to my website to download a demo version > then I might as well offer the retail version for sale on my website also. > Why use the Mac App Store? > > --Richard > > > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/tim%40timschroeder.net > > This email sent to t...@timschroeder.net ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] Finite vs Infinite State Machines?
On 14 Jun 2012, at 05:12, Graham Cox wrote: On 14/06/2012, at 8:03 AM, Dave wrote: In assembler this would be implemented is using an "Exchange Instruction" to alter the PC on the stack and cause it to return to the correct place once the ASync Task (usually an interrupt) had finished. Ah, those were the days - push a calculated address on the stack and do a 'RET' to cause a jump to that address... thankfully such tricks are wholly unnecessary these days. In fact a simple switch...case statement does the same job in most cases. I'm not sure of the answer to your question though, seems to me you could simply queue each task then the next executes as soon as the one ahead of it finishes. The point is you can't queue B until the data from A has been obtained and that might take a long while. There are two ways to deal with it, either have a call back from the lower level that returns the data (in which case you have to specify an address/selector to go to when the data has been obtained sucessfully), OR you can invert the control and make the interface look as it is demand based, even though the data is being obtained as and when it is ready. ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Demo Version
On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:41 AM, Richard Somers wrote: > The Mac App Store guidelines indicates that "Apps that are "beta", "demo", > "trial", or "test" versions will be rejected". > > So if potential customers need to go to my website to download a demo version > then I might as well offer the retail version for sale on my website also. > Why use the Mac App Store? Do we really need to rehash this business discussion every few weeks on this technical mailing list? --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Authorization to copy a file -- is it really that complex?
I've managed to never have to deal with Authorization Services so far in my Cocoa career; until today. Basically I have an app that needs to install some helper tools that the user can run from a shell. (This is a lot like the way TextMate installs the 'mate' tool.) I'm giving a choice of install locations, but the typical one is going to be /usr/bin, so the app will need to authorize to do that. Reading through the Authorization Services Programming Guide and BetterAuthorizationSample, this all looks really, really complicated. All I need to do is the GUI equivalent of "sudo ditto my_tool /usr/bin" — does this really take pages and pages of code involving AuthorizationRefs and IPC, and either setuid or invoking launchctl?! —Jens ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Authorization to copy a file -- is it really that complex?
Jens, I understand your pain. I didn't want to go through it either and I finally found BLAuthentication which is a Objective-C wrapper class around the Authorization Services. It's a bit outdated but still works fine for me. It's hard to find a copy somewhere but here is a link: http://blog.laurent.etiemble.com/index.php?post/2005/12/05/36 -Laurent. -- Laurent Daudelin AIM/iChat/Skype:LaurentDaudelin http://www.nemesys-soft.com/ Logiciels Nemesys Software laur...@nemesys-soft.com On Jun 14, 2012, at 13:39, Jens Alfke wrote: > I've managed to never have to deal with Authorization Services so far in my > Cocoa career; until today. Basically I have an app that needs to install some > helper tools that the user can run from a shell. (This is a lot like the way > TextMate installs the 'mate' tool.) I'm giving a choice of install locations, > but the typical one is going to be /usr/bin, so the app will need to > authorize to do that. > > Reading through the Authorization Services Programming Guide and > BetterAuthorizationSample, this all looks really, really complicated. All I > need to do is the GUI equivalent of "sudo ditto my_tool /usr/bin" — does this > really take pages and pages of code involving AuthorizationRefs and IPC, and > either setuid or invoking launchctl?! > > —Jens ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Authorization to copy a file -- is it really that complex?
Actually I just discovered the listing "Calling A Privileged Installer", which looks like exactly what I want — a page or so of code to run an already-existing system command with root privileges. I think all I need to do is change the command from "id -un" to "ln -s ...". Let me know if I'm barking up the wrong tree… —Jens ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Authorization to copy a file -- is it really that complex?
Le 14 juin 2012 à 22:39, Jens Alfke a écrit : > I've managed to never have to deal with Authorization Services so far in my > Cocoa career; until today. Basically I have an app that needs to install some > helper tools that the user can run from a shell. (This is a lot like the way > TextMate installs the 'mate' tool.) I'm giving a choice of install locations, > but the typical one is going to be /usr/bin, so the app will need to > authorize to do that. > > Reading through the Authorization Services Programming Guide and > BetterAuthorizationSample, this all looks really, really complicated. All I > need to do is the GUI equivalent of "sudo ditto my_tool /usr/bin" — does this > really take pages and pages of code involving AuthorizationRefs and IPC, and > either setuid or invoking launchctl?! > > —Jens You can ask the Finder to do it using Apple Events. I find it convenient as it takes care of the authorization for you. Alternatively, you can use the authopen tool with NSTask to open the file, and then perform the copy yourself (see man authopen). It will also take care of the authorization for you, and will provide a pipe to write in the file. -- Jean-Daniel ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Authorization to copy a file -- is it really that complex?
Laurent, Thanks so much for the links! For me wrapper packages are by far the best tool for understanding Apple's APIs. I used SSCrypto to learn how to use openSSL. On Jun 14, 2012, at 4:56 PM, Laurent Daudelin wrote: > Jens, > > I understand your pain. I didn't want to go through it either and I finally > found BLAuthentication which is a Objective-C wrapper class around the > Authorization Services. It's a bit outdated but still works fine for me. It's > hard to find a copy somewhere but here is a link: > > http://blog.laurent.etiemble.com/index.php?post/2005/12/05/36 > > -Laurent. > -- > Laurent Daudelin > AIM/iChat/Skype:LaurentDaudelin > http://www.nemesys-soft.com/ > Logiciels Nemesys Software > laur...@nemesys-soft.com > > On Jun 14, 2012, at 13:39, Jens Alfke wrote: > >> I've managed to never have to deal with Authorization Services so far in my >> Cocoa career; until today. Basically I have an app that needs to install >> some helper tools that the user can run from a shell. (This is a lot like >> the way TextMate installs the 'mate' tool.) I'm giving a choice of install >> locations, but the typical one is going to be /usr/bin, so the app will need >> to authorize to do that. >> >> Reading through the Authorization Services Programming Guide and >> BetterAuthorizationSample, this all looks really, really complicated. All I >> need to do is the GUI equivalent of "sudo ditto my_tool /usr/bin" — does >> this really take pages and pages of code involving AuthorizationRefs and >> IPC, and either setuid or invoking launchctl?! >> >> —Jens > ___ > > Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) > > Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. > Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com > > Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: > https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/3tothe4th%40comcast.net > > This email sent to 3tothe...@comcast.net Charlie Dickman 3tothe...@comcast.net ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
More PDFView mysteries...
Dear Cocoa-Devs, I have an app that works perfectly on snow leopard, it consists of a split view with a pdfview on top, and another view on the bottom. On lion however the pdfview is blank until I resize the window or splitview. I've tried throwing various things at the window in the windowControllerDidLoadNib: section [myPDFView display]... [myWindow setNeedsDisplay: YES]... It almost feels like the windowControllerDidLoadNib is happening too quickly (or something). BTW this splitview is in a tabview... If I manually tab to something else and back, it refreshes, if I do it programattically at the end of the ...didLoadNib: method, nothing, doesn't work. Ideas? Anyone else having pdfview lion problems. Matthew Weinstein Professor of Science Education Education Program U.W. - Tacoma 253 692-4787 matth...@u.washington.edu Campus Box: 358435 1900 Commerce Street Tacoma, WA 98402-3100 Office: (253) 692-4787 FAX: (253) 692-5612 ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: [OT] Finite vs Infinite State Machines?
On 15/06/2012, at 3:56 AM, Dave wrote: > > On 14 Jun 2012, at 05:12, Graham Cox wrote: > >> >> On 14/06/2012, at 8:03 AM, Dave wrote: >> >>> In assembler this would be implemented is using an "Exchange Instruction" >>> to alter the PC on the stack and cause it to return to the correct place >>> once the ASync Task (usually an interrupt) had finished. >> >> >> Ah, those were the days - push a calculated address on the stack and do a >> 'RET' to cause a jump to that address... thankfully such tricks are wholly >> unnecessary these days. In fact a simple switch...case statement does the >> same job in most cases. >> >> I'm not sure of the answer to your question though, seems to me you could >> simply queue each task then the next executes as soon as the one ahead of it >> finishes. >> > > The point is you can't queue B until the data from A has been obtained and > that might take a long while. There are two ways to deal with it, either have > a call back from the lower level that returns the data (in which case you > have to specify an address/selector to go to when the data has been obtained > sucessfully), OR you can invert the control and make the interface look as it > is demand based, even though the data is being obtained as and when it is > ready. I can't really see the problem here. You can still queue the tasks, even if the queued task doesn't have the data available when it's queued - the data will be available by the time it comes to run, so it can just ask for it then. It's really simple to create demand-based data providers in Cocoa using informal or formal protocols, delegation, or passing a predefined selector/target as you suggest. Or using NSInvocation. There are many solutions, there's probably no One True Way™ but certainly you have the tools at your disposal - there are plenty of solid reliable solutions that require no particular tricks, and certainly nothing skanky of the sort you were reminiscing about! --Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Demo Version
On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:41 AM, Richard Somers wrote: > The Mac App Store guidelines indicates that "Apps that are "beta", "demo", > "trial", or "test" versions will be rejected". > > So if potential customers need to go to my website to download a demo version > then I might as well offer the retail version for sale on my website also. > Why use the Mac App Store? This question is entirely up to you to answer. Preston ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More PDFView mysteries...
On 15/06/2012, at 8:15 AM, Matthew Weinstein wrote: > It almost feels like the windowControllerDidLoadNib is happening too quickly > (or something). Note what that method literally tells you - the window controller loaded the nib. That doesn't mean that the actual window was instantiated yet (with all its views). A window controller lazily loads the window when it is actually required, which is a bit later. You can use the controller's windowDidLoad method to find out when that has happened. The probable reason this is different on Lion is because NSDocument is a very different beast on Lion. It is often invoked on a background thread and various interface-less document objects are made to support Versions and Autosaving. It's a rather complex situation on Lion which *appears* to assume a very great deal about how your app has subclassed NSDocument. For example, when browsing Versions, each version you see is an actual instance of your NSDocument subclass complete with its window - it's not just the snapshot image you might have thought. Scary stuff. --Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: Demo Version
On Jun 14, 2012, at 6:06 PM, Preston Sumner wrote: >> Why use the Mac App Store? Apple needs its 30 points! -koko ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More PDFView mysteries...
That is a problem; I think this is a pdfkit bug, and I need to register it (slowly figuring these things out). What I did to isolate the problem was create a project with a window in which I just dropped a pdfview and pdfthumbview on (didn't even bother to change the sizing. Hardcoded an URL to a pdf; created a PDFDocument init'd with the url and then did [mypdfview setDocument: myURL]. All of that in the windowcontrollerDidLoadNib method. same problem. pdfviews can't be set in the init'd in the windowControllerDidLoadNib; but I think the problem is bigger. I relocated the load code so it was activated by a button rather than the windowController: same problem. There's a definite pdfview problem... Solutions? On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Graham Cox wrote: > > On 15/06/2012, at 8:15 AM, Matthew Weinstein wrote: > >> It almost feels like the windowControllerDidLoadNib is happening too quickly >> (or something). > > > Note what that method literally tells you - the window controller loaded the > nib. That doesn't mean that the actual window was instantiated yet (with all > its views). A window controller lazily loads the window when it is actually > required, which is a bit later. You can use the controller's windowDidLoad > method to find out when that has happened. > > The probable reason this is different on Lion is because NSDocument is a very > different beast on Lion. It is often invoked on a background thread and > various interface-less document objects are made to support Versions and > Autosaving. It's a rather complex situation on Lion which *appears* to assume > a very great deal about how your app has subclassed NSDocument. For example, > when browsing Versions, each version you see is an actual instance of your > NSDocument subclass complete with its window - it's not just the snapshot > image you might have thought. Scary stuff. > > --Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
Re: More PDFView mysteries...
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:08 PM, Graham Cox wrote: > > On 15/06/2012, at 8:15 AM, Matthew Weinstein wrote: > >> It almost feels like the windowControllerDidLoadNib is happening too quickly >> (or something). > > > Note what that method literally tells you - the window controller loaded the > nib. That doesn't mean that the actual window was instantiated yet (with all > its views). A window controller lazily loads the window when it is actually > required, which is a bit later. You can use the controller's windowDidLoad > method to find out when that has happened. You seem to be attributing more magic to NSWindowController than it actually possesses. NSWindowController loads and instantiates its nib in response to -window being called while self.window==nil. After it has instantiated the nib (which is synonymous with "loading" it), it invokes -windowControllerDidLoadNib. In other words, the window has indeed been unarchived from nib and assigned to the window controller's window outlet by the time -windowControllerDidLoadNib is invoked. > > The probable reason this is different on Lion is because NSDocument is a very > different beast on Lion. It is often invoked on a background thread and > various interface-less document objects are made to support Versions and > Autosaving. It's a rather complex situation on Lion which *appears* to assume > a very great deal about how your app has subclassed NSDocument. For example, > when browsing Versions, each version you see is an actual instance of your > NSDocument subclass complete with its window - it's not just the snapshot > image you might have thought. Scary stuff. This is true, but -makeWindowControllers is still invoked on the main thread, and obviously can only be called after your document has been instantiated (but possibly before the background read operation has signaled succes or failure; I can't recall if any guarantees are made about that). --Kyle Sluder ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com
How to override [NSTextField paste:]
Is there a way to override the -paste: method of NSTextField, other than subclassing? I have a situation where I want to handle paste for several related text entry fields at once. I have implemented -paste: in the controller for these, but of course it goes to first responder which is the text field itself (or its editor) which isn't what I want. Subclassing the field is an option, but because of the Field Editor, I'm not sure it's what is really needed. --Graham ___ Cocoa-dev mailing list (Cocoa-dev@lists.apple.com) Please do not post admin requests or moderator comments to the list. Contact the moderators at cocoa-dev-admins(at)lists.apple.com Help/Unsubscribe/Update your Subscription: https://lists.apple.com/mailman/options/cocoa-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com This email sent to arch...@mail-archive.com