Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

Hi there,

Not exactly what you're looking for but I laboured over the flexible / rigid 
panel installation and finally went with flexible.  I thought others may be 
interested also.

- 2 x 100 watt panels
- 2 x nylon straps pulled tight side to side over the bimini
- panel edges protected covered with pipe insulation to protect bimini
- panels zap strapped to bimini
- pool noodle squeezed over front edge of panels to "flatten" the fore-aft 
profile

5 minutes to remove and 10 minutes to replace.  I leave them on April to 
November and will stow below for the winter.

Andy
33-2


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Re: Stus-List Bimini top with solar panels?

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Hi there - I forgot to attach pictures to my last post regarding solar panels...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/1sMor7GoNWHbobY77

Andy
33-2 (Tryfan)

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Re: Stus-List Solar panels

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Thanks Len - I've seen up to about 180 watts but only really clear day when sun 
was directly overhead.  It's surprising though with cloud cover I have also 
seen 70-80 watts.  We don't have hug loads the fridge being the main one.  We 
were away for a month this year and had several 2-3 day anchorages where we 
never had to run the engine - very pleased with the whole thing.



If anybody is interested this is what we installed...



2 x 100 Watt 
Panels



MPPT 
Controller



Reasonably easy install also.



Andy







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Subject: Stus-List Solar panels



Nice install Andy! That looks really well done. Curious how many amps you are 
getting in full sun. Len





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Stus-List C&C33 Mark II Deck Creaking

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

Hi there,

Does anybody have any suggestions / comments on a rather significant creaking 
near starboard bulkhead on C&C33 Mark II?  The boat is overall in very good 
shape but I did notice creaking when walking on the deck slightly forward of 
the bulkhead whilst at dock.  We were out in heavy seas (25 knots) on our last 
trip reaching through waves and the creaking was quite noticeable down below.  
There are no soft spots and from visual and audible inspections I don't see any 
signs of delamination. Also no signs of water ingress.

I'm thinking that the joint between the bulkhead and deck may have come loose 
and was wondering if anybody has experienced the same, and would be curious to 
hear any suggestions on how to remedy the issue.

Thanks!

Andy



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Re: Stus-List C&C33 Mark II Deck Creaking

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

Hi Dave thanks I will connect later with you.  We are on boat with limited 
reception back late next week.

I feel encouraged! I have seen your blog and we have done lots of work on 
Tryfan.

Fair winds!

Andy Walther

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From: Dave S 
Sent: Friday, August 9, 2019 2:15:16 PM
To: Andrew Walther 
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Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C33 Mark II Deck Creaking

Can confirm that this repair stops the creaking - very spirited sailing last 
few days!

Dave

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On Jul 27, 2019, at 7:38 AM, Dave S 
mailto:syerd...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Blog updated per below.   Hope it helps.  Am way behind on updating this blog, 
lots of stuff to share

https://cncwindstar.blogspot.com/2019/07/bulkheaddeck-reinforcement-at-hanging.html

Dave
Windstar 33-2


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From: Dave S
Sent: July 26, 2019 9:33 PM
To: Andrew Walther
Cc: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C33 Mark II Deck Creaking

Sorry Andy - late reply

This creaks in some 33-2 models because the aft bulkhead is not tabbed to the 
deck but sits in a groove in the headliner.   Grab the handhold on the hanging 
locker and push and pull and you’ll replicate the creak.
I fixed this last winter by cutting out the liner inside the hanging locker and 
tabbing the bulkhead to the deck.   will post pics and details to my 33-2 blog 
this weekend.

Dave - 33-2 Windstar.
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On Jul 22, 2019, at 3:52 PM, Andrew Walther 
mailto:and...@apwengineering.com>> wrote:
Hi there,

Does anybody have any suggestions / comments on a rather significant creaking 
near starboard bulkhead on C&C33 Mark II?  The boat is overall in very good 
shape but I did notice creaking when walking on the deck slightly forward of 
the bulkhead whilst at dock.  We were out in heavy seas (25 knots) on our last 
trip reaching through waves and the creaking was quite noticeable down below.  
There are no soft spots and from visual and audible inspections I don’t see any 
signs of delamination. Also no signs of water ingress.

I’m thinking that the joint between the bulkhead and deck may have come loose 
and was wondering if anybody has experienced the same, and would be curious to 
hear any suggestions on how to remedy the issue.

Thanks!

Andy




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Stus-List Re: C&C33-2 Symmetrical Spinnaker

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

Hi Bruno,

Good to hear from you thanks for the note and suggestions, much appreciated.

I just responded to the C&C list, with my plan.  Lots of good feedback and 
suggestions there what a great resource.

I remember you used to be setup with asymmetrical and saw the pictures. If you 
have pictures of your new setup that would be helpful for sure.

Thanks again!

Andy Walther




From: Bruno Lachance 
Sent: January 16, 2023 3:43 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Andrew Walther 
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C33-2 Symmetrical Spinnaker

Hi Andrew,

I went the same route few years ago on my 1987 33-2 (Offshore spar mast on this 
vintage). First, you have a pole and a sym spin so you already have the « big $ 
items ». In my opinion you are on the good path.

When we bought our boat we had no free flying sails. A good friend had an asym 
on a furler and a Selden bow sprit. He loved it and convinced me to do the same 
and we did. I do like this setup, but you cannot go really deep downwind and It 
became frustrating for us especially in light air, cruising or racing.

One season I raced on a C&C 99 with a symmetrical spin setup, gained confidence 
and loved it. So I bought one and then also got a very expensive Forte carbon 
pole because it was impossible to find a used pole so I went a bit crazy. It is 
very light and easy to handle (the 99 had one so I knew it was vasy to end for 
end this size of kite/pole)

Our boat has a topping lift, a baby stay with a track on deck and a pin car on 
the mast. I modified the baby stay track to fit a downhaul, not the best angle 
but It works. We always gybe end for end, don’t use guys, only barber haulers 
on sheets and i release the baby stay but keep it attached when gibing. To do 
it I have to release the pole, move it in front of the baby stay and reattach, 
call made and we trim! The pole is behind the baby stay, no problem to bring 
the pole back, only risk is if not released and you bring the pole forward the 
stay might be in contact and damage will occur.

We use a sock and sail most of the time with only 2 onboard. I have one set of 
primaries, but often use the cabin top 18 Barient for spin sheets. I also use 
the primaries depending of situations. Yes I could use more winches, pad eyes, 
snatch blocks, guys, but we found a way to make it work and it does. The barber 
haulers are very useful to stabilize the sail when gybing and the carbon pole 
makes a big difference for the person doing foredeck.

I understand the other comments about the babystay, but if you take your time 
it can be done. It depends if you want to be as fast as possible racing or take 
a few more seconds to do it safely, do you want to use your spin in light wind 
only or keep it as long as you can when the wind go up? In what kind of sea 
state do you sail your boat, etc…

Next season I plan to try adding a bungee to bring the baby stay close to the 
mast base when release, but I fear it might be even more on the way. We will 
see.
Otherwise I often use the babystay in sync with the backstay to de power the 
main boat or to prevent pumping. It is necessarily in the conditions we sail 
here and I would not want to remove it.

I learned a lot since I got my symmetrical and I am sure you will love it. 
Definitely a must for club racing.

Let me know if you want pictures or talk about our setup.

Bruno Lachance


Le 16 janv. 2023 à 14:11, andrew--- via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> a écrit :


Good day,

I finally found a pole for my recently acquired symmetrical spinnakers, and 
time to get the boat setup for spinnaker, and was hoping for some input from 
the group.

The boat has never been setup for spinnaker.

  1.  Baby stay - it is currently fixed and not adjustable and I believe the 
purpose is to introduce a bit of mid mast bend to flatten the sail, and also to 
prevent excessive mast flex when pounding up wind. I would think that this 
needs to be disengaged to make gybing possible. Any suggestions other than 
mounting a track on the cabin top?
  2.  Gybing - if I could temporary disengage baby stay I could dip gybe. End 
to end gybing may be possible if baby stays engaged. Does anybody have any 
experience with gybing asymmetrical on 33-2?
  3.  Downhaul - I could mount hardware on deck for downhaul (I would assume 
deck would be strong enough with just a backing plate? Or another option would 
be to run sheet and guy, and use the guy, with a forward lead, as a downhaul. 
Not sure if the angle would be sufficient, probably OK though.
  4.  Topping lift - there is an entrance maybe 2/3 up the mast. I would assume 
this has a sheave (I will go up the mast within the month, but wondering if 
anybody knows if there would be a sheave. I would think there would be but 
wanted to check.
  5.  Mast track - seems like lot’s of work was just thinking of a single 
attachment point head high(ish).

Anyhow as you’ve gathered the boat was never setup for spinnaker. We will do 
some local club racing an

Stus-List Re: C&C33-2 Symmetrical Spinnaker

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

HI Richard thanks for the note – for sure I will.  I’m quite impressed with how 
supportive this group has been!

Andy



From: Richard Bush 
Sent: January 17, 2023 12:35 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Andrew Walther 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: C&C33-2 Symmetrical Spinnaker

Andy, the last step is that you need to keep us posted on how you do once the 
racing begins!

Richard
1985 C&C 37 CB: Ohio River, Mile 596


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Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2023 1:52 pm
Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C33-2 Symmetrical Spinnaker
Everyone - thanks very much for the very useful and informative responses - 
much appreciated! The goal is to get setup as simply as possible.
I am tending for symmetrical setup for sure - just nice to be able to go close 
to DDW efficiently - for cruising and racing (no asymmetrical in our fleet).
So here’s where I’m at…

  1.  Baby stay - attach snap shackle at base with bungee to pull it to base of 
mast when disengaged. Use block and tackle on baby stay for adjustments (maybe 
4:1, not sure yet).

  1.  Topping lift - consensus is that there is a sheave in the slot 2/3 the 
way up the mast I will check that out for sure. I will keep topping lift cleat 
on the mast - for end to end gybe’s it should require minimal adjustments.

  1.  Inboard end - I will attach a ring to the mast (head highish) and plan on 
gybing end to end.

  1.  Downhaul - I saw the pics thanks but did not see a picture of the deck 
fitting. I’m pretty sure I could devise a system that connects to toe rail mid 
pole distance
Once again what a great response from this forum - thanks. I will reply with an 
update hopefully sooner than later!

Andy (Tryfan)
C&C33-2 Comox, BC


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Stus-List C&C33-2 Forward "Bulkhead"

[Andrew Walther via CnC-List]

Hi there,

Forward most bulkhead is rotting and I can't figure out how to remove it.

Here's a video...

https://photos.app.goo.gl/e77DRbCFEQnFiBJ99

Any help / suggestions would be most appreciated!

Thanks!

Andy
C&C33-2 (Tryfan)
Comox, BC
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