Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Peter, on our 33-ll I took the old ones off and had a local boat builder, 
Bruckmann, make new ones that I varnished at home. I would think a good 
cabinetmaker could do it too.

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From: Peter W. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 8:27:52 PM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Peter W. 
Subject: Stus-List Hand rail replacement- sources

Anyone had any experience to share regarding the replacement of hand rails?
I am looking for two(2) 6-loop hand rails for my 30MKII.
I found several web sites, but I am not familiar with any of vendors.
Also, from the (lack of) info, I can’t determine if the loops will match up 
with the existing holes in the deck.

Thanks,

Pete W.
Siren Song
‘90 C&C 30MKII
Irvington, Va.
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Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

[Allan Rheaume via CnC-List]

 Hi Pete,             I have the rails your looking for, I changed to stainless 
3 years ago and the old ones are in my boat shed.
Allan RheaumeDrumroll30-2 # 90
On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 08:28:57 p.m. EST, Peter W. via CnC-List 
 wrote:  
 
 Anyone had any experience to share regarding the replacement of hand rails?
I am looking for two(2) 6-loop hand rails for my 30MKII.
I found several web sites, but I am not familiar with any of vendors.
Also, from the (lack of) info, I can’t determine if the loops will match up 
with the existing holes in the deck.

Thanks,

Pete W.
Siren Song
‘90 C&C 30MKII
Irvington, Va.
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Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

I went plastic with PlasTeak last year and you send them in and get an exact match back. Was very reasonable. I had wanted to do stainless until I started getting quotes. John McCreaTalisman 1979 36-1Mystic, CTOn Nov 29, 2023, at 9:03 PM, Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List  wrote:I bought 5\4 sapeli wood and made my own. Sapeli has the same properties as teak, but 1\4 the price.Douglas Mountjoy1988 LF 39Mexico at large1984 Sabre 34Port Orchard, WA    On Wed, Nov 29, 2023, 18:28 Peter W. via CnC-List  wrote:Anyone had any experience to share regarding the replacement of hand rails?
I am looking for two(2) 6-loop hand rails for my 30MKII.
I found several web sites, but I am not familiar with any of vendors.
Also, from the (lack of) info, I can’t determine if the loops will match up with the existing holes in the deck.

Thanks,

Pete W.
Siren Song
‘90 C&C 30MKII
Irvington, Va.
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Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

Peter:

 

I replaced the handrails on my 34, and subsequently on my 42 Custom, with 
stainless.  In my case, I removed the old handrails, laid out pieces of thick 
paper over the bolt holes (totally flat, taped in place), and made patterns of 
the holes.  The paper patterns were then rolled up and shipped to White Wate 
Marine (Port Huron, MI).  The rails on my 34 came with bolts welded on.  Most 
fit, but a few required a little adjustment (filling/drilling).  The rail for 
my 42 came with nuts welded in place, so the bolts are installed from inside 
the boat.  Again, most of the bolt holes lined up, but a few needed adjustment. 
 On the 42 replacement, we discovered that welding distorted the threads on a 
few of the nuts, so we ran a tap through each one to resolve the issue.  
Overall, White Water does nice work, and I greatly prefer stainless handrails.

 

https://whitewatermarineinc.com/

 

Matt

1976 C&C 42 Custom

 

From: Nathan Post via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 8:57 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Peter W. ; Nathan Post 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

 




Peter,

 

I replaced the teak rails with stainless steel with three attachment points 
which Kato Marine https://www.katomarine.com/about.htm  in 2020.  They made 
custom length for me and shipped so it was pretty easy.  They also make a great 
tieoff point for a lanyard when going up to the mast if I don't have jack lines 
rigged and it gets a bit rough on a day sail. I had them put the mounting 
points at the lengths required for the teak rail although there are fewer so 
that they would align with some of the existing the holes at each end and in 
the middle.  I fiberglassed over the other holes during a full deck refit and 
repaint that I did at the same time. If you aren't doing that then you could 
probably just put a bolt and washer through the old holes you don't need with 
some bed-it tape to seal it. Love the stainless steel and it is no maintenance. 
While the stainless steel was built straight, it was flexible enough to bend to 
match the deck curve as I installed it. Some say it gets hot in the sun but at 
least here in NE I haven't had a problem with it getting too hot to touch.

 

Nathan

S/V Wisper

1981 C&C 34

 

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 8:28 PM Peter W. via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Anyone had any experience to share regarding the replacement of hand rails?
I am looking for two(2) 6-loop hand rails for my 30MKII.
I found several web sites, but I am not familiar with any of vendors.
Also, from the (lack of) info, I can’t determine if the loops will match up 
with the existing holes in the deck.

Thanks,

Pete W.
Siren Song
‘90 C&C 30MKII
Irvington, Va.
Sent from my iPad
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Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

[Matthew Wolford via CnC-List]

As a follow-up, I should have noted that I also sent the original handrails to 
White Water for additional reference.  The purpose of the bolt hole pattern is 
to establish the bend.  The stainless rails for my two projects came pre-bent.  
You can’t just bend them in place during installation like you can do with 
wood.  The stainless is too rigid.

 

From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List  
Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 7:26 AM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: 'Peter W.' ; Matthew Wolford 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

 

Peter:

 

I replaced the handrails on my 34, and subsequently on my 42 Custom, with 
stainless.  In my case, I removed the old handrails, laid out pieces of thick 
paper over the bolt holes (totally flat, taped in place), and made patterns of 
the holes.  The paper patterns were then rolled up and shipped to White Wate 
Marine (Port Huron, MI).  The rails on my 34 came with bolts welded on.  Most 
fit, but a few required a little adjustment (filling/drilling).  The rail for 
my 42 came with nuts welded in place, so the bolts are installed from inside 
the boat.  Again, most of the bolt holes lined up, but a few needed adjustment. 
 On the 42 replacement, we discovered that welding distorted the threads on a 
few of the nuts, so we ran a tap through each one to resolve the issue.  
Overall, White Water does nice work, and I greatly prefer stainless handrails.

 

https://whitewatermarineinc.com/

 

Matt

1976 C&C 42 Custom

 

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Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 8:57 PM
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Cc: Peter W. mailto:typhoonpe...@gmail.com> >; Nathan 
Post mailto:nathan8...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

 




Peter,

 

I replaced the teak rails with stainless steel with three attachment points 
which Kato Marine https://www.katomarine.com/about.htm  in 2020.  They made 
custom length for me and shipped so it was pretty easy.  They also make a great 
tieoff point for a lanyard when going up to the mast if I don't have jack lines 
rigged and it gets a bit rough on a day sail. I had them put the mounting 
points at the lengths required for the teak rail although there are fewer so 
that they would align with some of the existing the holes at each end and in 
the middle.  I fiberglassed over the other holes during a full deck refit and 
repaint that I did at the same time. If you aren't doing that then you could 
probably just put a bolt and washer through the old holes you don't need with 
some bed-it tape to seal it. Love the stainless steel and it is no maintenance. 
While the stainless steel was built straight, it was flexible enough to bend to 
match the deck curve as I installed it. Some say it gets hot in the sun but at 
least here in NE I haven't had a problem with it getting too hot to touch.

 

Nathan

S/V Wisper

1981 C&C 34

 

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 8:28 PM Peter W. via CnC-List  
wrote:

Anyone had any experience to share regarding the replacement of hand rails?
I am looking for two(2) 6-loop hand rails for my 30MKII.
I found several web sites, but I am not familiar with any of vendors.
Also, from the (lack of) info, I can’t determine if the loops will match up 
with the existing holes in the deck.

Thanks,

Pete W.
Siren Song
‘90 C&C 30MKII
Irvington, Va.
Sent from my iPad
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Stus-List Re: Returning member reminiscing

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

John, thanks for the info; always happy to hear a boat is going to a good home! 
Make sure the new owner gets on this list! Also, keep us posted on what you 
decide, thanks!

Richard
Richard N. Bush Law Offices2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite NineLouisville, 
Kentucky 40220(502) 584-7255
 

On Wednesday, November 29, 2023 at 05:48:15 PM EST, John Conklin via 
CnC-List  wrote:  
 
 Just sold my 1982 37. Draft 5.5!  I am thinking the value of all in all system 
working could-should be around$34K-$39K depending on condition.  I HAD to sell 
as I am moving, 5+ hours from boat so sadly  I let her go"AS IS”  no survey, no 
inspection just a $ check!  for $30K Its amazing what people expect for $30K 
New engine new rigging… crazy Tell them its $30K not $300K! and now  everyone ( 
including me) wants the new walk thru transom 2 wheels electric heads, furling 
main .. … which I know if C&C were still building would be exactly just that !! 
Good news is guy who grabbed it is thrilled, and will handle whatever needs to 
be done and keep her sailing for many years! This Boat sailed great!! It will 
be very hard to replace sailing abilities. I single handed her 90% of the time 
with no issues, and I will miss her dearly :( . I am looking for a 2 cabin boat 
now and in no hurry as I feel prices may be stabilizing a little bit 
Boat  Needs = all systems including A/C working fine!! engine sooner than later 
Sails 2017? spreader tips, for sure!Standing rigging all need replacement Few 
moist spots topside Good polish and wax C&C Smile repairBottom paint been 2+ 
years 
Best of luck with your sale!! 


John Conklin
S/V Halcyon 
S/V Heartbeat 
jconk...@hotmail.com








On Nov 29, 2023, at 4:29 PM, Bob Morgan via CnC-List  
wrote:
6.5 feet.  i used to sail a star out of Oxford MD so i understand how limiting 
a full keel can be.  most of the boats life has been in lake ontario and off of 
CT and RI so the deeper keel has value.
From: j...@dellabarba.com 
Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 4:09 PM
To: 'Stus-List' 
Cc: Bob Morgan 
Subject: RE: Stus-List Returning member reminiscing Draft? That is a deciding 
factor for many of us.
 
Joe Della BarbaCoquina C&C 35 MK IKent Island MD USA
 

 

 
From: bob via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2023 7:18 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: b...@quickland.us
Subject: Stus-List Returning member reminiscing
 
Every few months I ask my wife if we should sell our beloved 1982 C&C 37. And 
being the practical spouse, she says yes. The last time we sailed her was 
returning from the Block Island rendezvous many years ago. A few of you may 
remember the rendezvous’ final day as being a sensational sail. A few miles 
from Stonington our home port we blew out the mainsail. I replaced with a UK 
with the mast sliders, but havent sailed since.We have the luxury of owning a 
large boathouse in florida so we have parked her there the last few years. We 
find our age limits our boating to taking our legacy 40 to stonington each 
spring and returning in fall.Thanks for allowing me to speak a little of my 49 
years of owning five C&Cs. I have no idea of the financial value of this boat. 
Possibly you can give me guidance. When buying the boat I installed a Beta 
(kubota) engine. Has a couple hundred hours on it. While a little reluctant, I 
am prepared to sell her.Bob Please show your appreciation for this list and the 
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Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources

[Peter W. via CnC-List]

Thanks so much for your ideas and comments.  I will check them out.Fair Winds,Pete W.Sent from my iPadOn Nov 30, 2023, at 1:54 PM, Peter W.  wrote:
Sent from my iPhoneBegin forwarded message:From: Matthew Wolford Date: November 30, 2023 at 7:34:30 AM ESTTo: Stus-List Cc: "Peter W." Subject: RE: Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sourcesAs a follow-up, I should have noted that I also sent the original handrails to White Water for additional reference.  The purpose of the bolt hole pattern is to establish the bend.  The stainless rails for my two projects came pre-bent.  You can’t just bend them in place during installation like you can do with wood.  The stainless is too rigid. From: Matthew Wolford via CnC-List  Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2023 7:26 AMTo: 'Stus-List' Cc: 'Peter W.' ; Matthew Wolford Subject: Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources Peter: I replaced the handrails on my 34, and subsequently on my 42 Custom, with stainless.  In my case, I removed the old handrails, laid out pieces of thick paper over the bolt holes (totally flat, taped in place), and made patterns of the holes.  The paper patterns were then rolled up and shipped to White Wate Marine (Port Huron, MI).  The rails on my 34 came with bolts welded on.  Most fit, but a few required a little adjustment (filling/drilling).  The rail for my 42 came with nuts welded in place, so the bolts are installed from inside the boat.  Again, most of the bolt holes lined up, but a few needed adjustment.  On the 42 replacement, we discovered that welding distorted the threads on a few of the nuts, so we ran a tap through each one to resolve the issue.  Overall, White Water does nice work, and I greatly prefer stainless handrails. https://whitewatermarineinc.com/ Matt1976 C&C 42 Custom From: Nathan Post via CnC-List  Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2023 8:57 PMTo: Stus-List Cc: Peter W. ; Nathan Post Subject: Stus-List Re: Hand rail replacement- sources Peter, I replaced the teak rails with stainless steel with three attachment points which Kato Marine https://www.katomarine.com/about.htm  in 2020.  They made custom length for me and shipped so it was pretty easy.  They also make a great tieoff point for a lanyard when going up to the mast if I don't have jack lines rigged and it gets a bit rough on a day sail. I had them put the mounting points at the lengths required for the teak rail although there are fewer so that they would align with some of the existing the holes at each end and in the middle.  I fiberglassed over the other holes during a full deck refit and repaint that I did at the same time. If you aren't doing that then you could probably just put a bolt and washer through the old holes you don't need with some bed-it tape to seal it. Love the stainless steel and it is no maintenance. While the stainless steel was built straight, it was flexible enough to bend to match the deck curve as I installed it. Some say it gets hot in the sun but at least here in NE I haven't had a problem with it getting too hot to touch. NathanS/V Wisper1981 C&C 34 On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 8:28 PM Peter W. via CnC-List  wrote:Anyone had any experience to share regarding the replacement of hand rails?I am looking for two(2) 6-loop hand rails for my 30MKII.I found several web sites, but I am not familiar with any of vendors.Also, from the (lack of) info, I can’t determine if the loops will match up with the existing holes in the deck.Thanks,Pete W.Siren Song‘90 C&C 30MKIIIrvington, Va.Sent from my iPadPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help me pay the associated bills.  Make a contribution at:https://www.paypal.me/stumurrayThanks for your help.StuPlease show your appreciation for this list and the Photo Album site and help 
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