Stus-List Genoa sheets

2022-07-09 Thread Paul Florin via CnC-List
On a 35ft C&C MK II with a 110% genoa, sheets inside or outside shrouds?

-- Paul Florin


Stus-List biodegradable hydraulic fluid

2022-07-09 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Anyone switched to biodegradable hydraulic fluid?

I have a Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster in the shop for new seals and 
thinking of upgrading the fluid.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute  1989 C&C 34R



Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets

2022-07-09 Thread Dean McNeill via CnC-List
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> On Jul 9, 2022, at 2:11 PM, Paul Florin via CnC-List  
> wrote:
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> On a 35ft C&C MK II with a 110% genoa, sheets inside or outside shrouds?
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> -- Paul Florin
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Stus-List Re: biodegradable hydraulic fluid

2022-07-09 Thread Josh via CnC-List
I'm not sure being biodegradable makes it an upgrade.  When I was getting Lew 
Townsend's input, as I recall he had said to use an oil that was ISO 32 
synthetic.  I use Amsoil where I can in all my equipment.  Amsoil didn't 
specifically have a hydraulic fluid labeled as ISO 32 but working with their 
technical service rep they found a product that was close (enough for me).  
It's their multi vehicle synthetic power steering fluid.

https://www.amsoil.com/p/multi-vehicle-synthetic-power-steering-fluid-psf/

There are environmentally critical applications where the use of biodegradable 
fluid might be important.  Large quantity of oil, high pressure, continuous 
pump, hidden pipes/fittings where leaks would be hard to detect, used in marine 
habitats like aquariums and live tanks - just a few examples.  I remember an 
episode of Deadliest Catch where a hydraulic line that passed through a crab 
tank began leaking.  They pumped oil into that tank for hours!  The captain was 
quite concerned about losing the crab.  For us, the overall quantity of oil is 
relatively small and since the pump is manual, a leak is only enough quantity 
to release the pressure - a few ounces at most.  If a fitting ruptured we'd 
know it immediately.  Most of our leaks amount to some weapage around the 
piston shaft.  We generally care about it more because of the gelcoat stain 
than because of the environmental impact...I'm not sure those type of leaks 
ever even make it to the environment.

I remember seeing a JP5 hose rupture during an underway replenishment.  Each 
one of those four hoses had to be at least 4 inches in diameter and the offload 
was supposed to be multiple tens of thousands of gallons.  It seemed like an 
eternity before someone who knew what to do took action to stop the fountain of 
jet diesel that was being discharged directly into the Atlantic. 

Where I work, we have equipment with massive drive chains that rotate deep into 
the bay water.  24 of these units run periodically throughout the day every day 
of the year.  Weekly maintenance amounts to using what looks like a carwash 
brush and mop bucket to slop grease on the chains as they rotate.  It would 
appear as though the chains have never been greased let alone greased only a 
week ago.  I've been told the grease is environmentally approved (whatever that 
means) but it looks like any standard moly grease I've ever seen.  Just a few 
examples which give perspective to being environmentally conscious.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

Jul 9, 2022 13:33:22 CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List :

> Anyone switched to biodegradable hydraulic fluid?
>  
> I have a Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster in the shop for new seals and 
> thinking of upgrading the fluid.
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute  1989 C&C 34R
>    


Stus-List Re: biodegradable hydraulic fluid

2022-07-09 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List
Hey Josh,
Thanks for your great comments.  It was the hydraulic repair shop that 
mentioned changing over to biodegradable fluid.  The shop owner said the 
eco-friendly stuff still makes a rainbow if it leaks, but deteriorates over 
time, and you can always show the product bottle as a way to placate getting 
fined by authorities.

When my backstay ram developed a leak, a few drops caused a huge rainbow behind 
my boat before I discovered it and capped the hose and the ram fitting.   A 
friend suggested I spray the slick with a bio-friendly degreaser like 
"Spray-Nine" or "Purple Power".

I am considering using Green Marine Hydraulic Fluid from West Marine, 
Cabella's, and Bass Pro Shop.  The manufacturer states that this deteriorates 
in water after thirty days, which satisfies my needs as it is also ISO 32 (#10 
non-detergent):

https://www.westmarine.com/buy/power-pole--green-marine-iso32-hydraulic-fluid-1-qt--14275143?msclkid=1fd583240fd01824854ce1edfe8890c1

Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute 1989 C&C 34R

> On 07/09/2022 3:53 PM Josh via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm not sure being biodegradable makes it an upgrade.  When I was getting 
> Lew Townsend's input, as I recall he had said to use an oil that was ISO 32 
> synthetic.  I use Amsoil where I can in all my equipment.  Amsoil didn't 
> specifically have a hydraulic fluid labeled as ISO 32 but working with their 
> technical service rep they found a product that was close (enough for me).  
> It's their multi vehicle synthetic power steering fluid.
> 
> https://www.amsoil.com/p/multi-vehicle-synthetic-power-steering-fluid-psf/
> 
> There are environmentally critical applications where the use of 
> biodegradable fluid might be important.  Large quantity of oil, high 
> pressure, continuous pump, hidden pipes/fittings where leaks would be hard to 
> detect, used in marine habitats like aquariums and live tanks - just a few 
> examples.  I remember an episode of Deadliest Catch where a hydraulic line 
> that passed through a crab tank began leaking.  They pumped oil into that 
> tank for hours!  The captain was quite concerned about losing the crab.  For 
> us, the overall quantity of oil is relatively small and since the pump is 
> manual, a leak is only enough quantity to release the pressure - a few ounces 
> at most.  If a fitting ruptured we'd know it immediately.  Most of our leaks 
> amount to some weapage around the piston shaft.  We generally care about it 
> more because of the gelcoat stain than because of the environmental 
> impact...I'm not sure those type of leaks ever even make it to the 
> environment.
> 
> I remember seeing a JP5 hose rupture during an underway replenishment.  
> Each one of those four hoses had to be at least 4 inches in diameter and the 
> offload was supposed to be multiple tens of thousands of gallons.  It seemed 
> like an eternity before someone who knew what to do took action to stop the 
> fountain of jet diesel that was being discharged directly into the Atlantic. 
> 
> Where I work, we have equipment with massive drive chains that rotate 
> deep into the bay water.  24 of these units run periodically throughout the 
> day every day of the year.  Weekly maintenance amounts to using what looks 
> like a carwash brush and mop bucket to slop grease on the chains as they 
> rotate.  It would appear as though the chains have never been greased let 
> alone greased only a week ago.  I've been told the grease is environmentally 
> approved (whatever that means) but it looks like any standard moly grease 
> I've ever seen.  Just a few examples which give perspective to being 
> environmentally conscious.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> Jul 9, 2022 13:33:22 CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> :
> 
> > > Anyone switched to biodegradable hydraulic fluid?
> >  
> > I have a Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster in the shop for new 
> > seals and thinking of upgrading the fluid.
> > 
> > Chuck Scheaffer Resolute  1989 C&C 34R
> >
> > 
> > > 


Stus-List Re: Genoa sheets

2022-07-09 Thread Donald Kern via CnC-List

Paul
It kind of depends on your track set up.  My #4 (~110%) leads outside 
the forward lower and inside center upper and aft lower.


Don Kern
/Fireball/, C&C35 Mk2
Bristol, RI

On 7/9/2022 1:11 PM, Paul Florin via CnC-List wrote:

On a 35ft C&C MK II with a 110% genoa, sheets inside or outside shrouds?

-- Paul Florin



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