Stus-List Re: Winter Plans

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Richard,

For the topsides paint pictures I will need to email them directly.
There are two very short videos on the home page of Goldstar Marine’s web page. 
(www.Goldstar marine.com) I contracted with Goldstar for the topsides and 
bottom prep and paint. Look for a boat tape & papered for painting the red 
shear and cove stripe. The second video shows a bit of the “roll and tip” crew 
at work.

I don’t have any pictures of completed interior painting. Large sections have 
the first coat of shiny paint or primer but few are ready for their debut. The 
good news is we believe we are down to our last gallon of West Systems epoxy 
resin after consuming +-10 gallons so far.

If it was pictures of the Christmas lights you wanted I should have some next 
week. I will try out my dolphin in a Santa hat jumping the bow pulpit 
surrounded by waves concept tomorrow. If that doesn’t work out I will keep 
simplifying until it stays up in the wind and looks good.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle

On Nov 30, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:


Martin, send photos...or links to photos! thanks

Richard

Richard N. Bush Law Offices
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462
502-584-7255


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Stus-List Re: Winter Plans

[John McCrea via CnC-List]

Martin,

 

Hello. Not sure what you are planning to use for interior paint but I used 
Jamestown Marine Total Boat Wet Edge single part last year. First of all they 
had a close match to the original C&C gelcoat and second the pint just goes on 
amazing an does not run. I had used Interlux topsides on other areas of the 
interior and had to baby sit it with a foam brush to catch the drips. Not with 
Total Boat. Good luck!

 

From: Martin DeYoung via CnC-List  
Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 10:06 PM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Martin DeYoung 
Subject: Stus-List Re: Winter Plans

 

Calypso’s winter will start off brightly lit as I will be decorating her with 
Christmas lights for the first time. The Port Ludlow marina sponsors a 
competition and a party. There’s rumor of a informal lighted boat parade which 
I will join if I can recruit reliable crew. 

 

After that it’s back to sanding and painting the interior then reassembling the 
teak trim and various pieces removed for repairs and paint.

 

I do expect to go sailing this spring/summer regardless of how complete the 
interior repainting is.

Martin DeYoung

Calypso 

1971 C&C 43

Port Ludlow/Seattle 





On Nov 29, 2021, at 7:46 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

 

What have you?

I was just informed my son and his buddy want to do a winter break cruise. This 
means leaving the dinghy in the water until January, so I think they just got 
volunteered to be the ones that get wet hauling it out after the cruise 😊

I just got the bottom cleaned a couple of weeks ago and did a tune-up on the 
engine, so at least we should be fast.

 

 

Joe Della Barba

Coquina C&C 35 MK I

Kent Island MD USA

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Winter Plans

[Richard Bush via CnC-List]

 Martin, thanks, I will check out the videos, and absolutely yes to the 
Christmas display..., thanks!
 
Richard
 s/v Bushmark4: 1985 C&C 37 CB; Ohio River, Mile 596;

Richard N. Bush Law Offices 
2950 Breckenridge Lane, Suite Nine 
Louisville, Kentucky 40220-1462 
502-584-7255 
 
-Original Message-
From: Martin DeYoung 
To: Stus-List 
Cc: Richard Bush 
Sent: Wed, Dec 1, 2021 3:03 am
Subject: Re: Stus-List Re: Winter Plans

Richard,
For the topsides paint pictures I will need to email them directly.There are 
two very short videos on the home page of Goldstar Marine’s web page. 
(www.Goldstar marine.com) I contracted with Goldstar for the topsides and 
bottom prep and paint. Look for a boat tape & papered for painting the red 
shear and cove stripe. The second video shows a bit of the “roll and tip” crew 
at work.
I don’t have any pictures of completed interior painting. Large sections have 
the first coat of shiny paint or primer but few are ready for their debut. The 
good news is we believe we are down to our last gallon of West Systems epoxy 
resin after consuming +-10 gallons so far.
If it was pictures of the Christmas lights you wanted I should have some next 
week. I will try out my dolphin in a Santa hat jumping the bow pulpit 
surrounded by waves concept tomorrow. If that doesn’t work out I will keep 
simplifying until it stays up in the wind and looks good.

Martin DeYoungCalypso 1971 C&C 43Port Ludlow/Seattle 

On Nov 30, 2021, at 8:05 PM, Richard Bush via CnC-List  
wrote:



Martin, send photos...or links to photos! thanks

Richard

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To the people who made contributions to the Photo Album and CnC-List, a huge 
Thank You.  I won’t list all the names for fear of missing 1 or 2.

Your financial help just assures us that the sites will continue for another 
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Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

Would a bulbous bow below the waterline help

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:31 PM schiller via CnC-List 
wrote:

> No, but we did add "turbulators" to the tail section of the GBU-24 Bunker
> Buster Guided Bomb to break up the boundary layer between the bomb body and
> the wing section, causing turbulent flow over the wings.
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C&C #5-3, #028, "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
>
> On 11/30/2021 6:05 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Indeed.  You don't see dimples on the wings of aircraft, for a good
> reason...
>
> Graham Collins
> CS 36T
>
> On 2021-11-30 3:50 p.m., Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Doug via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> This is the reason golf balls have dimples. Aides in better flight, less
> resistance.
>
>
>
>
> Yes (if spinning) and No (as it adds lateral resistance).
>
> Going with a smooth surface is the overall best approach as it promotes
> smooth laminar flow.   There are times when a ruff surface helps maintain
> laminar flow.  For example, the dimples on a golf ball create a thin
> turbulent layer which drags air and helps keep the lamina flow closer to
> the surface behind the ball.  The dimples add resistance to the flow but
> reduces the air wake behind the ball which reduces the overall drag force.
> The laminar flow around a smooth ball does not wrap around the back of the
> ball as well and leaves a larger wake.  The larger the wake, the larger the
> drag.
>
> I think it would be foolish to add dimples or an orange peel bottom,
> unless you have the resources to model and measure the effect for a
> particular boat.  Maybe adding some aft ruffness as the hull as turns
> inward, but this will strongly depend on the individual hull shape and
> likely have a positive effect at high water speeds (and a negative effect
> at low).   Of course, a great way to reduce one's wake is to foil.
>
> Most may recall that dimples of a spinning golf ball help in another and
> bigger way by providing lift(i.e. aids in better flight).  The spinning
> dimples drag air towards incoming flow and drag air away from the flow on
> the opposite side causing a high/low pressure difference (i.e.  lateral
> lift force).   This latter effect has not yet been exploited by sailors.
> Who knows, maybe we’ll see a spinning belted keel in the future driven by
> Kiwi’s pedal power.
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
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Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Found this in Sailing Anarchy – 

Back to the drawing board.

Bulbous bows are designed to "cancel" out the hull's bow wave by inducing their 
own wave set that has the same frequency, but opposite phase, thereby reducing 
wave making resistance.

 

To make this work, the boat's speed has be within a very tight specified range 
and the amplitude of the pitching moment has be  relatively small to keep the 
bulb at the proper depth.

 

Neither of these conditions can be met on a small-ish hull form. The additional 
wetted surface and form drag eats you up.

 

Was tried in the 70's on 6 Meters and flopped horribly.

 

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2021 4:14 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

 

Would a bulbous bow below the waterline help

 

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:31 PM schiller via CnC-List  
wrote:

No, but we did add "turbulators" to the tail section of the GBU-24 Bunker 
Buster Guided Bomb to break up the boundary layer between the bomb body and the 
wing section, causing turbulent flow over the wings.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C #5-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan

On 11/30/2021 6:05 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:

Indeed.  You don't see dimples on the wings of aircraft, for a good reason...

Graham Collins
CS 36T

On 2021-11-30 3:50 p.m., Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:

 

On Nov 30, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:

 

This is the reason golf balls have dimples. Aides in better flight, less 
resistance.  

 

 

 

 

Yes (if spinning) and No (as it adds lateral resistance).

 

Going with a smooth surface is the overall best approach as it promotes smooth 
laminar flow.   There are times when a ruff surface helps maintain laminar 
flow.  For example, the dimples on a golf ball create a thin turbulent layer 
which drags air and helps keep the lamina flow closer to the surface behind the 
ball.  The dimples add resistance to the flow but reduces the air wake behind 
the ball which reduces the overall drag force.  The laminar flow around a 
smooth ball does not wrap around the back of the ball as well and leaves a 
larger wake.  The larger the wake, the larger the drag. 

 

I think it would be foolish to add dimples or an orange peel bottom, unless you 
have the resources to model and measure the effect for a particular boat.  
Maybe adding some aft ruffness as the hull as turns inward, but this will 
strongly depend on the individual hull shape and likely have a positive effect 
at high water speeds (and a negative effect at low).   Of course, a great way 
to reduce one's wake is to foil.

 

Most may recall that dimples of a spinning golf ball help in another and bigger 
way by providing lift(i.e. aids in better flight).  The spinning dimples drag 
air towards incoming flow and drag air away from the flow on the opposite side 
causing a high/low pressure difference (i.e.  lateral lift force).   This 
latter effect has not yet been exploited by sailors.   Who knows, maybe we’ll 
see a spinning belted keel in the future driven by Kiwi’s pedal power.  

 

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C&C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

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Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

So a deleterious effect despite the increased WLL
On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 5:25 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Found this in Sailing Anarchy –
>
> Back to the drawing board.
>
> Bulbous bows are designed to "cancel" out the hull's bow wave by inducing
> their own wave set that has the same frequency, but opposite phase, thereby
> reducing wave making resistance.
>
>
>
> To make this work, the boat's speed has be within a very tight specified
> range and the amplitude of the pitching moment has be  relatively small to
> keep the bulb at the proper depth.
>
>
>
> Neither of these conditions can be met on a small-ish hull form. The
> additional wetted surface and form drag eats you up.
>
>
>
> Was tried in the 70's on 6 Meters and flopped horribly.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* dwight veinot via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 01, 2021 4:14 PM
> *To:* Stus-List
> *Cc:* dwight veinot
> *Subject:* Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint
>
>
>
> Would a bulbous bow below the waterline help
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:31 PM schiller via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> No, but we did add "turbulators" to the tail section of the GBU-24 Bunker
> Buster Guided Bomb to break up the boundary layer between the bomb body and
> the wing section, causing turbulent flow over the wings.
>
> Neil Schiller
> 1983 C&C #5-3, #028, "Grace"
> Whitehall, Michigan
>
> On 11/30/2021 6:05 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Indeed.  You don't see dimples on the wings of aircraft, for a good
> reason...
>
> Graham Collins
>
> CS 36T
>
> On 2021-11-30 3:50 p.m., Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:
>
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Doug via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>
>
> This is the reason golf balls have dimples. Aides in better flight, less
> resistance.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yes (if spinning) and No (as it adds lateral resistance).
>
>
>
> Going with a smooth surface is the overall best approach as it promotes
> smooth laminar flow.   There are times when a ruff surface helps maintain
> laminar flow.  For example, the dimples on a golf ball create a thin
> turbulent layer which drags air and helps keep the lamina flow closer to
> the surface behind the ball.  The dimples add resistance to the flow but
> reduces the air wake behind the ball which reduces the overall drag force.
> The laminar flow around a smooth ball does not wrap around the back of the
> ball as well and leaves a larger wake.  The larger the wake, the larger the
> drag.
>
>
>
> I think it would be foolish to add dimples or an orange peel bottom,
> unless you have the resources to model and measure the effect for a
> particular boat.  Maybe adding some aft ruffness as the hull as turns
> inward, but this will strongly depend on the individual hull shape and
> likely have a positive effect at high water speeds (and a negative effect
> at low).   Of course, a great way to reduce one's wake is to foil.
>
>
>
> Most may recall that dimples of a spinning golf ball help in another and
> bigger way by providing lift(i.e. aids in better flight).  The spinning
> dimples drag air towards incoming flow and drag air away from the flow on
> the opposite side causing a high/low pressure difference (i.e.  lateral
> lift force).   This latter effect has not yet been exploited by sailors.
> Who knows, maybe we’ll see a spinning belted keel in the future driven by
> Kiwi’s pedal power.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
>
> 1981 C&C Landfall 38
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Fort Walton Beach, FL
>
>
>
> http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
>
>
>
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> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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>
>
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Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

There is some chatter amongst some designers of Catamarans, like Crowther and 
the Gunboat, but I can’t find any pix.

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2021 4:42 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

 

 

So a deleterious effect despite the increased WLL

On Wed, Dec 1, 2021 at 5:25 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Found this in Sailing Anarchy – 

Back to the drawing board.

Bulbous bows are designed to "cancel" out the hull's bow wave by inducing their 
own wave set that has the same frequency, but opposite phase, thereby reducing 
wave making resistance.

 

To make this work, the boat's speed has be within a very tight specified range 
and the amplitude of the pitching moment has be  relatively small to keep the 
bulb at the proper depth.

 

Neither of these conditions can be met on a small-ish hull form. The additional 
wetted surface and form drag eats you up.

 

Was tried in the 70's on 6 Meters and flopped horribly.

 

 

From: dwight veinot via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2021 4:14 PM
To: Stus-List
Cc: dwight veinot
Subject: Stus-List Re: Burnished bottom paint

 

Would a bulbous bow below the waterline help

 

On Tue, Nov 30, 2021 at 9:31 PM schiller via CnC-List  
wrote:

No, but we did add "turbulators" to the tail section of the GBU-24 Bunker 
Buster Guided Bomb to break up the boundary layer between the bomb body and the 
wing section, causing turbulent flow over the wings.

Neil Schiller
1983 C&C #5-3, #028, "Grace"
Whitehall, Michigan

On 11/30/2021 6:05 PM, Graham Collins via CnC-List wrote:

Indeed.  You don't see dimples on the wings of aircraft, for a good reason...

Graham Collins
CS 36T

On 2021-11-30 3:50 p.m., Dreuge via CnC-List wrote:

 

On Nov 30, 2021, at 1:47 PM, Doug via CnC-List  wrote:

 

This is the reason golf balls have dimples. Aides in better flight, less 
resistance.  

 

 

 

 

Yes (if spinning) and No (as it adds lateral resistance).

 

Going with a smooth surface is the overall best approach as it promotes smooth 
laminar flow.   There are times when a ruff surface helps maintain laminar 
flow.  For example, the dimples on a golf ball create a thin turbulent layer 
which drags air and helps keep the lamina flow closer to the surface behind the 
ball.  The dimples add resistance to the flow but reduces the air wake behind 
the ball which reduces the overall drag force.  The laminar flow around a 
smooth ball does not wrap around the back of the ball as well and leaves a 
larger wake.  The larger the wake, the larger the drag. 

 

I think it would be foolish to add dimples or an orange peel bottom, unless you 
have the resources to model and measure the effect for a particular boat.  
Maybe adding some aft ruffness as the hull as turns inward, but this will 
strongly depend on the individual hull shape and likely have a positive effect 
at high water speeds (and a negative effect at low).   Of course, a great way 
to reduce one's wake is to foil.

 

Most may recall that dimples of a spinning golf ball help in another and bigger 
way by providing lift(i.e. aids in better flight).  The spinning dimples drag 
air towards incoming flow and drag air away from the flow on the opposite side 
causing a high/low pressure difference (i.e.  lateral lift force).   This 
latter effect has not yet been exploited by sailors.   Who knows, maybe we’ll 
see a spinning belted keel in the future driven by Kiwi’s pedal power.  

 

 

-
Paul E.

1981 C&C Landfall 38 
S/V Johanna Rose
Fort Walton Beach, FL

 

http://svjohannarose.blogspot.com/

 

 

 

 

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