Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread Steve Thomas via CnC-List 


I believe that the bolts in question are the through-the-deck bolts that 
secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also the only aluminum bolts 
that I know of that were once "standard" on Edson pedestal steering 
systems. If I am wrong on the latter, I am certain that others will 
chime in. :)


Steve Thomas
1980 C&C36 MKI
1978 C&C27 MKIII


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   Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.


Can you share any photos of the bolts in question? Are these above deck, 
or below? I'm not aware of any aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they 
may have been replaced with stainless steel. There is one SS round head 
machine screw that is loose and has no material left to grab (threads 
stripped out) on one of the aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing 
at the deck level. As the pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. 
Everything below deck looks good also, but it's been a year since I 
checked so it's on the list.




--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com 
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto 







On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:



All,

I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below the pedestal 
were failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the sheave assembly 
this summer. After trying to tighten one of the aluminum bolts it 
crumbled. Had two remaining good ones in the stern and limped the way 
through the remainder of the season. Today loosened the steering cables 
to start to take apart the assembly with the intent of fixing in place 
with new bolts. Having had a similar but more catastrophic failure on 
our past 1989 37/40 XL I can see that the assembly itself is in good 
shape. My question is the use of the aluminum bolts. Since that is what 
failed should I switch to stainless? May be a good question for Rob Ball 
but wanted to see what others have used. Thanks!


John McCrea
Talisman
1979 36-1
Mystic, CT
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Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread John McCrea via CnC-List 
Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in place. I will 
contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else had them fail. Will 
also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. Thanks. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I believe that the bolts in question are the through-the-deck bolts that 
> secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also the only aluminum bolts that I 
> know of that were once "standard" on Edson pedestal steering systems. If I am 
> wrong on the latter, I am certain that others will chime in. :) 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> 1980 C&C36 MKI
> 
> 1978 C&C27 MKIII
> 
> 
> 
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> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com
> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.
> 
> Can you share any photos of the bolts in question? Are these above deck, or 
> below? I'm not aware of any aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they may have 
> been replaced with stainless steel. There is one SS round head machine screw 
> that is loose and has no material left to grab (threads stripped out) on one 
> of the aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing at the deck level. As the 
> pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. Everything below deck looks good 
> also, but it's been a year since I checked so it's on the list.
> 
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> All,
>> 
>> I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below the pedestal were 
>> failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the sheave assembly this 
>> summer. After trying to tighten one of the aluminum bolts it crumbled. Had 
>> two remaining good ones in the stern and limped the way through the 
>> remainder of the season. Today loosened the steering cables to start to take 
>> apart the assembly with the intent of fixing in place with new bolts. Having 
>> had a similar but more catastrophic failure on our past 1989 37/40 XL I can 
>> see that the assembly itself is in good shape. My question is the use of the 
>> aluminum bolts. Since that is what failed should I switch to stainless? May 
>> be a good question for Rob Ball but wanted to see what others have used. 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> John McCrea
>> 
>> Talisman
>> 
>> 1979 36-1
>> 
>> Mystic, CT
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread Dave S via CnC-List 
I haven’t tackled mine, and as it’s a freshwater boat there’s no corrosion to 
speak of, and it doesn’t appear to be leaking.  

I have been curious about the deck in this area.  How was the deck penetration 
dealt with?  Is it cored in that area?  Was it reinforced or protected from 
water intrusion?  
Thx.

Dave 33-2



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> On Nov 20, 2021, at 10:08 AM, John McCrea via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in place. I will 
> contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else had them fail. 
> Will also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. Thanks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>> I believe that the bolts in question are the through-the-deck bolts that 
>> secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also the only aluminum bolts that 
>> I know of that were once "standard" on Edson pedestal steering systems. If I 
>> am wrong on the latter, I am certain that others will chime in. :) 
>> Steve Thomas
>> 
>> 1980 C&C36 MKI
>> 
>> 1978 C&C27 MKIII
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- Original Message --
>> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.
>> 
>> Can you share any photos of the bolts in question? Are these above deck, or 
>> below? I'm not aware of any aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they may have 
>> been replaced with stainless steel. There is one SS round head machine screw 
>> that is loose and has no material left to grab (threads stripped out) on one 
>> of the aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing at the deck level. As 
>> the pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. Everything below deck looks 
>> good also, but it's been a year since I checked so it's on the list.
>> 
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
>> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> All,
>>> 
>>> I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below the pedestal were 
>>> failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the sheave assembly this 
>>> summer. After trying to tighten one of the aluminum bolts it crumbled. Had 
>>> two remaining good ones in the stern and limped the way through the 
>>> remainder of the season. Today loosened the steering cables to start to 
>>> take apart the assembly with the intent of fixing in place with new bolts. 
>>> Having had a similar but more catastrophic failure on our past 1989 37/40 
>>> XL I can see that the assembly itself is in good shape. My question is the 
>>> use of the aluminum bolts. Since that is what failed should I switch to 
>>> stainless? May be a good question for Rob Ball but wanted to see what 
>>> others have used. Thanks!
>>> 
>>> John McCrea
>>> 
>>> Talisman
>>> 
>>> 1979 36-1
>>> 
>>> Mystic, CT
>>> 
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
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Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Not sure why the the aluminum failed.  It sounds like it became an anode 
somehow.

In 2015, I replaced our pedestal bolts and nuts with aluminum ones from Edson.  
On our model, the hex head of the bolt, sits in a hex sided well in the 
pedestal base so it doesn't turn.   You tighten the nuts from below.  The old 
bolts might have been reused, but something about them worried me, so I chose 
to use new bolts and nuts. 

I learned later that McMaster-Carr has both aluminum and stainless which you 
can get next day, so you may want to compare prices.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Annapolis


> On 11/20/2021 10:08 AM John McCrea via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in place. I 
> will contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else had them 
> fail. Will also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. Thanks. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> > > On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I believe that the bolts in question are the 
> through-the-deck bolts that secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also 
> the only aluminum bolts that I know of that were once "standard" on Edson 
> pedestal steering systems. If I am wrong on the latter, I am certain that 
> others will chime in. :)
> > 
> > Steve Thomas
> > 
> > 1980 C&C36 MKI
> > 
> > 1978 C&C27 MKIII
> > 
> > 
> > -- Original Message --
> > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM
> > Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.
> > 
> > 
> > > > > Can you share any photos of the bolts in 
> > question? Are these above deck, or below? I'm not aware of any aluminum 
> > bolts in my pedestal, but they may have been replaced with stainless steel. 
> > There is one SS round head machine screw that is loose and has no material 
> > left to grab (threads stripped out) on one of the aluminum pieces which fit 
> > over the SS tubing at the deck level. As the pedestal is solid, I've 
> > ignored it for now. Everything below deck looks good also, but it's been a 
> > year since I checked so it's on the list.
> > > 
> > > --
> > > Shawn Wright
> > > shawngwri...@gmail.com mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com
> > > S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> > > https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
> > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > All,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below 
> > > > the pedestal were failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the 
> > > > sheave assembly this summer. After trying to tighten one of the 
> > > > aluminum bolts it crumbled. Had two remaining good ones in the stern 
> > > > and limped the way through the remainder of the season. Today loosened 
> > > > the steering cables to start to take apart the assembly with the intent 
> > > > of fixing in place with new bolts. Having had a similar but more 
> > > > catastrophic failure on our past 1989 37/40 XL I can see that the 
> > > > assembly itself is in good shape. My question is the use of the 
> > > > aluminum bolts. Since that is what failed should I switch to stainless? 
> > > > May be a good question for Rob Ball but wanted to see what others have 
> > > > used. Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > John McCrea
> > > > 
> > > > Talisman
> > > > 
> > > > 1979 36-1
> > > > 
> > > > Mystic, CT
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to 
> > > > the list to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your 
> > > > support to the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- 
> > > > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray Thanks - Stu
> > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > -
> > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list 
> > > to help with the costs involved. If you want to show your support to the 
> > > list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray 
> > > Thanks - Stu
> > > 
> > > > > Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list 
> > > to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the 
> > > list - use PayPal to send contribution --   
> > > https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
> > 
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Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
C&C Listers,
I have only been casually following this thread, but just a short comment.  My 
pedestal bolts are SS and in fresh water of L. Mich.  Might have been PO who 
replaced? No issues.  Aluminum is actually a very reactive metal.  This is a 
good discussion for a chemist, but if exposed to salt water, it would seem that 
aluminum bolts are not the best choice.  If there is concern about the 
dissimilar metals of the pedestal and bolts, isolate with nylon washers.  My 2 
cents.
Jeff Laman
1981 C&C34 "Harmony"
Ludington, MI


From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:38 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: John McCrea ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 

Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

Not sure why the the aluminum failed.  It sounds like it became an anode 
somehow.

In 2015, I replaced our pedestal bolts and nuts with aluminum ones from Edson.  
On our model, the hex head of the bolt, sits in a hex sided well in the 
pedestal base so it doesn't turn.   You tighten the nuts from below.  The old 
bolts might have been reused, but something about them worried me, so I chose 
to use new bolts and nuts.

I learned later that McMaster-Carr has both aluminum and stainless which you 
can get next day, so you may want to compare prices.

Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Annapolis

On 11/20/2021 10:08 AM John McCrea via CnC-List  wrote:


Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in place. I will 
contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else had them fail. Will 
also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. Thanks.

Sent from my iPhone

On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List  
wrote:

I believe that the bolts in question are the through-the-deck bolts that secure 
the pedestal to the deck. They are also the only aluminum bolts that I know of 
that were once "standard" on Edson pedestal steering systems. If I am wrong on 
the latter, I am certain that others will chime in. :)

Steve Thomas

1980 C&C36 MKI

1978 C&C27 MKIII


-- Original Message --
From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM
Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

Can you share any photos of the bolts in question? Are these above deck, or 
below? I'm not aware of any aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they may have 
been replaced with stainless steel. There is one SS round head machine screw 
that is loose and has no material left to grab (threads stripped out) on one of 
the aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing at the deck level. As the 
pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. Everything below deck looks good 
also, but it's been a year since I checked so it's on the list.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

All,


I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below the pedestal were 
failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the sheave assembly this 
summer. After trying to tighten one of the aluminum bolts it crumbled. Had two 
remaining good ones in the stern and limped the way through the remainder of 
the season. Today loosened the steering cables to start to take apart the 
assembly with the intent of fixing in place with new bolts. Having had a 
similar but more catastrophic failure on our past 1989 37/40 XL I can see that 
the assembly itself is in good shape. My question is the use of the aluminum 
bolts. Since that is what failed should I switch to stainless? May be a good 
question for Rob Ball but wanted to see what others have used. Thanks!


John McCrea

Talisman

1979 36-1

Mystic, CT

Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved. If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution -- 
https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
 Thanks - Stu

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Stus-List Selling a FL vessel in Bahamas

2021-11-20 Thread Wyatt via CnC-List 
Hi there, does anyone have experience with selling a vessel in the Bahamas?
I have a 1979 C&C36 that is registered/titled in Florida, and am hoping to
do a one-way trip, ending in Georgetown, Exumas (selling the vessel and
flying out of there). Would I need to register the vessel in the Bahamas?
Would I even be able to? Has anyone heard of a similar experience?

Thank you for your time, Wyatt
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Stus-List Re: Selling a FL vessel in Bahamas

2021-11-20 Thread Steve Thomas via CnC-List 


I enquired about registering a boat in Bahamas when I was in Georgetown 
in 2013. There were some fees for the registration itself, but so long 
as there was no problem with the boat's paperwork, the main thing was 
the import duty which was 10% of the value of the boat. Once registered 
as Bahamian, there are no more cruising permits required for the boat, 
just visa stamps on passports. I doubt if things have changed all that 
much but the government of Bahamas web pages do have quite a bit of 
customs information available online last time I looked.


Steve Thomas
C&C27 MKIII
C&C36 MKI
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   Subject: Stus-List Selling a FL vessel in Bahamas

Hi there, does anyone have experience with selling a vessel in 
the Bahamas? I have a 1979 C&C36 that is registered/titled in Florida, 
and am hoping to do a one-way trip, ending in Georgetown, Exumas 
(selling the vessel and flying out of there). Would I need to register 
the vessel in the Bahamas? Would I even be able to? Has anyone heard of 
a similar experience?


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   Thanks - Stu





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Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 

FWIW, found this on Edson site:

"Since 1987, all Edson Pedestals use the exclusive Edson Hex Head Aluminum 
Bolts. With this improvement they lock in place and require only one person to 
tighten them. They fit flush with the base and the aluminum alloy is the same 
as the base thus eliminating all reaction from dissimilar."

Chuck S

> On 11/20/2021 10:50 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> C&C Listers,
> I have only been casually following this thread, but just a short 
> comment.  My pedestal bolts are SS and in fresh water of L. Mich.  Might have 
> been PO who replaced? No issues.  Aluminum is actually a very reactive metal. 
>  This is a good discussion for a chemist, but if exposed to salt water, it 
> would seem that aluminum bolts are not the best choice.  If there is concern 
> about the dissimilar metals of the pedestal and bolts, isolate with nylon 
> washers.  My 2 cents.
> Jeff Laman
> 1981 C&C34 "Harmony"
> Ludington, MI
> 
> 
> 
> -
> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:38 AM
> To: Stus-List 
> Cc: John McCrea ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
> 
> Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.
> 
> Not sure why the the aluminum failed.  It sounds like it became an anode 
> somehow.
> 
> In 2015, I replaced our pedestal bolts and nuts with aluminum ones from 
> Edson.  On our model, the hex head of the bolt, sits in a hex sided well in 
> the pedestal base so it doesn't turn.   You tighten the nuts from below.  The 
> old bolts might have been reused, but something about them worried me, so I 
> chose to use new bolts and nuts. 
> 
> I learned later that McMaster-Carr has both aluminum and stainless which 
> you can get next day, so you may want to compare prices.
> 
> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Annapolis
> 
> 
> > > On 11/20/2021 10:08 AM John McCrea via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in 
> > place. I will contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else 
> > had them fail. Will also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. 
> > Thanks. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> > 
> > > > > On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
> >  wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I believe that the bolts in question are the 
> > through-the-deck bolts that secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also 
> > the only aluminum bolts that I know of that were once "standard" on Edson 
> > pedestal steering systems. If I am wrong on the latter, I am certain that 
> > others will chime in. :)
> > > 
> > > Steve Thomas
> > > 
> > > 1980 C&C36 MKI
> > > 
> > > 1978 C&C27 MKIII
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- Original Message --
> > > From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > > Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com
> > > Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM
> > > Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt 
> > > Failure.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > > > > Can you share any photos of the 
> > > bolts in question? Are these above deck, or below? I'm not aware of any 
> > > aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they may have been replaced with 
> > > stainless steel. There is one SS round head machine screw that is loose 
> > > and has no material left to grab (threads stripped out) on one of the 
> > > aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing at the deck level. As the 
> > > pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. Everything below deck looks 
> > > good also, but it's been a year since I checked so it's on the list.
> > > > 
> > > > --
> > > > Shawn Wright
> > > > shawngwri...@gmail.com mailto:shawngwri...@gmail.com
> > > > S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> > > > https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto 
> > > > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.facebook.com%2FSVCallisto&data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc18f51fe264a41b4946108d9ac3bf0be%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637730195708925529%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=tkWG50%2FAj45GD8T6gZuw0P%2Boxf21uzjJCYV8wgJ5v6Q%3D&reserved=0
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via 
> > > > CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > All,
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly 
> > > > > below the pedestal were failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side 
> > > > > of the sheave assembly this summer

Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
Just found Edson and McMaster bolt prices from their websites:

Edson: a single 1/2" x 6" aluminum bolt and nut costs $24 each
https://edsonmarine.com/6-aluminum-hex-head-pedestal-bolt/

McMaster Carr: a single 1/2" x 6" aluminum bolt costs $8.50 without a nut
https://www.mcmaster.com/bolts/aluminum-hex-head-screws/

Their 316 stainless bolts are less money than the aluminum, a 1/2 x 6" bolt 
costs $5.14 each

Lunch is over, gotta get back to painting a bathroom.
Chuck S


> On 11/20/2021 12:16 PM CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
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Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.

2021-11-20 Thread Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
Older Edson pedestals use 4” Countersunk flathead bolt and nuts made of 
aluminum.  The reason for that material was to minimize paint adhesion issues 
on the powder coated pedestal base.  However, Edson neglected to use aluminum 
idler plate assemblies below deck choosing to use painted steel which meant 
that over time, the idler would rust and the bolts would eventually corrode.
EDson did away with the mild steel idlers about 15 years ago and now makes them 
out of aluminum.
The best set up for your boat is probably a new idler and 4 new aluminum bolts 
which will minimize corrosion issues.
Chuck Gilchrest 
Half Magic
LF35
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 12:26 PM, CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> FWIW, found this on Edson site: 
> 
> "Since 1987, all Edson Pedestals use the exclusive Edson Hex Head Aluminum 
> Bolts. With this improvement they lock in place and require only one person 
> to tighten them. They fit flush with the base and the aluminum alloy is the 
> same as the base thus eliminating all reaction from dissimilar."
> 
> Chuck S
>>> On 11/20/2021 10:50 AM Jeffrey A. Laman via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> C&C Listers,
>>> I have only been casually following this thread, but just a short comment.  
>>> My pedestal bolts are SS and in fresh water of L. Mich.  Might have been PO 
>>> who replaced? No issues.  Aluminum is actually a very reactive metal.  This 
>>> is a good discussion for a chemist, but if exposed to salt water, it would 
>>> seem that aluminum bolts are not the best choice.  If there is concern 
>>> about the dissimilar metals of the pedestal and bolts, isolate with nylon 
>>> washers.  My 2 cents.
>>> Jeff Laman
>>> 1981 C&C34 "Harmony"
>>> Ludington, MI 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
>>> Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2021 10:38 AM
>>> To: Stus-List 
>>> Cc: John McCrea ; CHARLES SCHEAFFER 
>>> 
>>> Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure.
>>> 
>>> Not sure why the the aluminum failed.  It sounds like it became an anode 
>>> somehow.
>>> 
>>> In 2015, I replaced our pedestal bolts and nuts with aluminum ones from 
>>> Edson.  On our model, the hex head of the bolt, sits in a hex sided well in 
>>> the pedestal base so it doesn't turn.   You tighten the nuts from below.  
>>> The old bolts might have been reused, but something about them worried me, 
>>> so I chose to use new bolts and nuts. 
>>> 
>>> I learned later that McMaster-Carr has both aluminum and stainless which 
>>> you can get next day, so you may want to compare prices.
>>> 
>>> Chuck Scheaffer Resolute 1989 C&C 34R Annapolis
>>> 
>>> On 11/20/2021 10:08 AM John McCrea via CnC-List  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes they are the four through bolts that hold the pedestal in place. I will 
>>> contact Edson for replacements just curious if anyone else had them fail. 
>>> Will also be resealing pedestal to stop water intrusion. Thanks. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
  wrote: 
 
 I believe that the bolts in question are the through-the-deck bolts that 
 secure the pedestal to the deck. They are also the only aluminum bolts 
 that I know of that were once "standard" on Edson pedestal steering 
 systems. If I am wrong on the latter, I am certain that others will chime 
 in. :) 
 Steve Thomas
 
 1980 C&C36 MKI
 
 1978 C&C27 MKIII
 
 
 
 -- Original Message -- 
 From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
 Cc: shawngwri...@gmail.com 
 Sent: Friday, November 19, 2021 8:42 PM 
 Subject: Stus-List Re: Edson Steering Sheave Assembly Bolt Failure. 
 
 Can you share any photos of the bolts in question? Are these above deck, 
 or below? I'm not aware of any aluminum bolts in my pedestal, but they may 
 have been replaced with stainless steel. There is one SS round head 
 machine screw that is loose and has no material left to grab (threads 
 stripped out) on one of the aluminum pieces which fit over the SS tubing 
 at the deck level. As the pedestal is solid, I've ignored it for now. 
 Everything below deck looks good also, but it's been a year since I 
 checked so it's on the list.
 
 --
 Shawn Wright
 shawngwri...@gmail.com 
 S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
 https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto 
 
 
 On Fri, Nov 19, 2021 at 1:19 PM John McCrea via CnC-List 
  wrote: 
 All,
 
 
 
 I was aware that my bolts in my steering assembly below the pedestal were 
 failing when I noticed a gap on the bow side of the sheave assembly this 
 summer. After trying to tighten one of the aluminum bolts it crumbled. Had 
 two remaining good ones in the stern and limped the way through the 
 remainder of the season. Today loosened the steering cables to start to 
 take apart the assembly wit

Stus-List Re: Selling a FL vessel in Bahamas

2021-11-20 Thread Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
A friend of mine once purchased a boat titled in New Zealand taking delivery 
“off shore” of a small South Pacific island nation. Prior to the transaction he 
asked the local customs people if any taxes would be levied and they said no.

After a week of preparation for the first leg of the delivery to North America 
and standing at the customs desk to check out of the country he was told the 
revenue people from the home office wanted to talk with him.  The new boat 
owner decided to depart under cover of darkness and head directly into 
international waters. (I was delivery skipper on the second and final delivery 
leg.)

All the above happened in a place and time with limited computerized data bases 
and poor long range communication. The buyer got away with the adventure.
I suggest you seek qualified legal and tax advice or buy a white cotton suit 
and a fedora and start practicing your best imitation of a Humphrey Bogart 
character.

Martin DeYoung
Calypso 
1971 C&C 43
Port Ludlow/Seattle 

> On Nov 20, 2021, at 8:24 AM, Wyatt via CnC-List  wrote:
> 
> Hi there, does anyone have experience with selling a vessel in the Bahamas? 
> I have a 1979 C&C36 that is registered/titled in Florida, and am hoping to do 
> a one-way trip, ending in Georgetown, Exumas (selling the vessel and flying 
> out of there). Would I need to register the vessel in the Bahamas? Would I 
> even be able to? Has anyone heard of a similar experience?
> 
> Thank you for your time, Wyatt
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Stus-List Digital Panel Meter

2021-11-20 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
Does anyone have a source for the Panel Meters, specifically a frequency meter 
for shore power? The manufacturer is Brighton Electronics, altho still around, 
They don't seem to sell retail. The Cutout hole is 2 3/8" x 15/16" ( 60 mm X 
23.8).

FrequencyMeter.jpg

 

Bill Coleman

Entrada, Erie, PA

 

 

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Stus-List Rudder shaft play

2021-11-20 Thread John Read via CnC-List 
After 40 years the rudder now has a bit of play laterally and fore and aft.  
Bottom of rudder can be moved less than an inch in all directions.  Not bad but 
should be addressed.  This also is most likely causing the leak through the 
shaft where it penetrates the deck fitting causing the donut to be not true to 
the stainless plate on the cockpit floor.  The design is very simple – shaft 
rides inside tube (with grease) that is glassed into hull, shaft is open from 
top of tube to bottom of cockpit floor to allow steering quadrant , shaft goes 
through hole in cockpit floor, through stainless bearing plate on top of 
cockpit floor, through delrin washer, then shaft is threaded and donut 
installed that rides on delrin washer.

My initial thought is to machine a delrin bearing and washer that would fill 
the small gap between the shaft and hole in the bearing plate / cockpit floor 
but wanted to inquire if anyone else has had similar issues or thoughts

 

John Read

Legacy III

1982 C&C 34

Noank, CT

 

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Stus-List Re: Rudder shaft play

2021-11-20 Thread Joel Delamirande via CnC-List 
This should be interesting I have to do mine
On a 30 mk1  if anyone have experience

On Sat, Nov 20, 2021 at 6:09 PM John Read via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> After 40 years the rudder now has a bit of play laterally and fore and
> aft.  Bottom of rudder can be moved less than an inch in all directions.
> Not bad but should be addressed.  This also is most likely causing the leak
> through the shaft where it penetrates the deck fitting causing the donut to
> be not true to the stainless plate on the cockpit floor.  The design is
> very simple – shaft rides inside tube (with grease) that is glassed into
> hull, shaft is open from top of tube to bottom of cockpit floor to allow
> steering quadrant , shaft goes through hole in cockpit floor, through
> stainless bearing plate on top of cockpit floor, through delrin washer,
> then shaft is threaded and donut installed that rides on delrin washer.
>
> My initial thought is to machine a delrin bearing and washer that would
> fill the small gap between the shaft and hole in the bearing plate /
> cockpit floor but wanted to inquire if anyone else has had similar issues
> or thoughts
>
>
>
> John Read
>
> Legacy III
>
> 1982 C&C 34
>
> Noank, CT
>
>
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