Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Thanks Lloyd and Doug for the responses.
The 39 is a good looking boat, I've never seen one in person.
I guess by the lack of responses that there are just not that many Landfall
43 out there. The search for info continues.
Kevin
Windance
1976 C&C 25
Hamilton ON
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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[David Godfrey via CnC-List]

Hey Kevin, 
Sorry I don’t have info on the 43.  I see you have a C&C 25.  I do as well and 
am fairly new to the boat, not as much to sailing but the boat.  Do you have 
info on rig tensions using Loos (vs wind conditions) or sheet placement for 
foresails.  I’ve done trial and error but wondering if there is anything out 
there for setting up the boat for racing.

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lloyd and Doug for the responses. 
> The 39 is a good looking boat, I've never seen one in person.
> I guess by the lack of responses that there are just not that many Landfall 
> 43 out there. The search for info continues. 
> Kevin
> Windance
> 1976 C&C 25
> Hamilton ON
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu



Yours truly,

David Godfrey
Cell Phone: (902) 448-3411
Email: dgodfrey2...@icloud.com



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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

There are only three for sale right now. One in Lake Lanier that looks nice but 
is trapped in a lake, one in Key West that looks decent and is not trapped, and 
one in Maryland that is ragged out.
I am not totally getting a big ocean going boat in a lake, but maybe the lake 
is bigger than I think it is. 


Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
Kent Island MD USA


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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Hi David,
I don't race my 25, I don't even have a pole... I would imagine that there
are many members of this list that can help you with all your 25 racing
questions!
Great boat, hope you enjoy it.
Kevin
Windance
1976 C&C 25
Hamilton ON
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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Kevin Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Joe,
The boat I'm looking at is not listed. The plan is to bring it to Georgina
Bay (Lake Huron) and then south. Lake Huron is a lake, but it's a BIG one.
Thanks
 Kevin
Windance
1976 C&C 25
Hamilton ON
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Stus-List Raymarine and Predict Wind

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

I have a few questions that I'm hoping Raymarine users on the list can help
answer (I'm looking at you Fred).

 

I recently became aware of Raymarine Axiom MFDs able to run the PredictWind
app, or at minimum, display the data.

 

In digging into the details, it's not clear which of the two options above
is accurate and how the data is acquired for the MFD.  IE Does the MFD run
the PW app and connect directly and request the info from your phone,
satellite, or other wifi service?  Or does one run PW app on your
phone/computer and push/store the requested info on the MFD?

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

Thanks 

Pete

 

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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Novabraid via CnC-List]

David,
I had a C&C 25 Mk 1 for about 14 years, cruised and raced on occasion in the 
Jib and Main class.  I had a 100% mylar jib, 130 dacron jib and a 150 Mylar 
Genoa, all attached with a Tuff Luff headstay foil.  No furler which allowed 
the jibs to really be a deck sweeper.  I had separate inboard tracks and cars 
for the working jib and the larger Genoa which gave me a better sheeting angle. 
 I also had an adjustable backstay with a gross and fine tune with a similar 
set up for the boom end main sheet.  I would set up my shrouds according to 
wind conditions, allowing for 4" circles at the turnbuckle in light air and 2" 
circle for wind over 15 kts for the outer shrouds.
I had a Loos gauge but only used it a few times.
Since my boat had an outboard on a bracket, I'm sure I wasn't doing myself any 
favors by having a 9.8hp 4 stroke outboard with electric start hanging off the 
back of the transom, but I had my fill of balky lightweight 2 stroke outboards 
that never wanted to start when you needed them, so the heavy engine stayed put 
when I raced.  Most other folks that I've know who were serious about racing 
would use little 4 hp 2 strokes that they'd store down below when they went 
racing.
As far as sailing these days, I bought a Landfall 35 to replace the 25 but use 
it exclusively for day sailing and weekend cruising.  I found myself having 
more fun racing on other folk's boats and dinghies than trying to do it all on 
the family cruiser.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall
Padanaram, MA

-Original Message-
From: David Godfrey via CnC-List  
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 10:40 AM
To: Stus-List 
Cc: David Godfrey 
Subject: Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

Hey Kevin, 
Sorry I don’t have info on the 43.  I see you have a C&C 25.  I do as well and 
am fairly new to the boat, not as much to sailing but the boat.  Do you have 
info on rig tensions using Loos (vs wind conditions) or sheet placement for 
foresails.  I’ve done trial and error but wondering if there is anything out 
there for setting up the boat for racing.

> On Feb 24, 2021, at 9:47 AM, Kevin Wright via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lloyd and Doug for the responses. 
> The 39 is a good looking boat, I've never seen one in person.
> I guess by the lack of responses that there are just not that many Landfall 
> 43 out there. The search for info continues. 
> Kevin
> Windance
> 1976 C&C 25
> Hamilton ON
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu



Yours truly,

David Godfrey
Cell Phone: (902) 448-3411
Email: dgodfrey2...@icloud.com



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Stus-List Re: Raymarine and Predict Wind

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Possibly a Sirius subscription - ?

 

From: pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 24, 2021 1:05 PM
To: 'Stus-List'
Cc: pete.shelqu...@comcast.net
Subject: Stus-List Raymarine and Predict Wind

 

I have a few questions that I'm hoping Raymarine users on the list can help
answer (I'm looking at you Fred).

 

I recently became aware of Raymarine Axiom MFDs able to run the PredictWind
app, or at minimum, display the data.

 

In digging into the details, it's not clear which of the two options above
is accurate and how the data is acquired for the MFD.  IE Does the MFD run
the PW app and connect directly and request the info from your phone,
satellite, or other wifi service?  Or does one run PW app on your
phone/computer and push/store the requested info on the MFD?

 

Hope that makes sense.

 

Thanks 

Pete

 

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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

 Depends on how good/many motels are nearby.The C&C 25 is optimum for Carlyle 
lake, but we bought the 30 for accomodations.  And of course, it's a beautiful 
boat that sails well.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL

   
I am not totally getting a big ocean going boat in a lake, but maybe the lake 
is bigger than I think it is. 



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Stus-List Re: Broken engine mount bolt

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Dennis,

Your number of 7500 lbs confirms my number of 7200 lbs.  That just seems
incredibly high considering the OEM decided that 2 bolts would be
required.  It also seems ridiculous that one of them broke.  I am at a
complete loss as to how that would have happened.

Josh




On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:00 Dennis C. via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I'm guessing the thread degradation doesn't have much effect on the
> strength as long as the shaft is not damaged.  Having said that, the shear
> strength of a M12 10.9 hardness bolt is about 7500 lbs.
>
> Did I win?  What's my prize?  Can it be shipped or do I need to pick it
> up/sail it home?
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:42 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Engineering discussion for the group.
>>
>> Here's the background.  For about 9 years I have known about having 1 of
>> the 2 bolts broken on the forward starboard engine mount.  These bolts hold
>> a piece of 1/2 inch plate steel which was bent at a 90° angle to the
>> vertical side of the engine.  This creates a horizontal shelf.  The shelf
>> then rests directly on the vibration dampening mount which is then bolted
>> to the boat. Periodically, I have made attempts to extract the bolt but
>> only a few days ago was I finally successful.  The bolt was a M12x1.75.  I
>> don't know what hardness the OEM called for.  Years ago when I discovered
>> the broken bolt I was quick to replace the remaining good one with one
>> having a hardness of 10.9.  For a fresh start, I now intend to replace both
>> of them with new and again a hardness of 10.9.  In removing the old bolt,
>> my drill hole was off center and ended up cutting some of the threads.  I
>> approximate not more than 1/4 of the thread integrity was compromised.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=15GCOH3qKIWXl1lmjsbZqsf-ECGCrl1fN
>>
>> Here comes the question(s).  Just for kicks, I decide to attempt to
>> figure out what the sheer strength of the engine mounting bolts are
>> individually.  I came up with an answer but would like hear what the group
>> comes up with.
>>
>> I also now have a bunch of other questions tumbling around like:  How
>> much weight would it take to break one?  How much margin to failure did I
>> have while operating for the last 9 years?  What could have possibly caused
>> this bolt to break prior to my ownership?  Theories and ponderings are
>> welcome.
>>
>> With 1/4 of the threads degraded on the newly available bolt hole, I plan
>> to only torque the bolt to ~50% of max (90 ft-lbs) which would be ~45
>> ft-lbs.  I'll also make sure that the lock washer is fully collapsed but
>> I'm confident that that will happen well before final torque is reached.
>> In sheer, I believe this bolt is providing as much or more strength simply
>> by being there than anything to do with its torque.  All though, I have
>> heard the engineering theory that (when built appropriately) the bolts
>> apply the pressure which creates the friction to prevent the pieces from
>> moving in sheer.  Under this argument the 2 pieces of metal don't actually
>> ride on the bolt shank specifically, and the surface area where the 2
>> pieces touch is of particular importance.  Looking at the engine castings,
>> it would appear that maximizing surface area contact was not considered.
>> As such, I can only fall back on my previous thought that the bolt shank is
>> in fact carrying the load in sheer and torque is more or less irrelevant
>> except for the purpose of keeping the bolt tight.  I'm also aware of
>> various thread repair options but in the awkward location I am fearful that
>> I would cause more damage than good by attempting any of them.
>> Particularly if the value added by the second bolt truly is its presence
>> not its torque.
>>
>> All thoughts and insights are encouraged.
>>
>>
>> All the best,
>>
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help
>> with the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list -
>> use PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
>> Thanks - Stu
>
>
>
> --
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
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Stus-List Re: 1984 Landfall 43

[Joel Delamirande via CnC-List]

Are you selling yours ?

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:51 AM Kevin Wright via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I've been reading the list for years, bought a 1976 25 three years ago and
> am now looking at a 1984 Landfall 43. Thought it would be a good time to
> reach out to the list.
> I haven't been able to find much info online. Does anybody have any info
> on the build/layup, particular around the chainplates? Any other info on
> the boat would be great as well.
> Thanks
> Kevin Wright
>
> 1976 C&C 25
> Windance III
> Hamilton ON
>
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> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
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> - Stu

-- 
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*www.jdroofing.ca *
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Stus-List Re: Broken engine mount bolt

[Neil Gallagher via CnC-List]

Josh,

Did you happen to get a look at the broken bolt looking across the face 
of the break?  Good possibility it was a fatigue failure which occurs at 
stresses well below the breaking strength, in which case you can 
sometimes see the "beach marks" as the failure works its way across the 
section.


Neil Gallagher
Weatherly 35-1
Glen Cove, NY


On 2/24/2021 8:47 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:

Dennis,

Your number of 7500 lbs confirms my number of 7200 lbs.  That just 
seems incredibly high considering the OEM decided that 2 bolts would 
be required.  It also seems ridiculous that one of them broke.  I am 
at a complete loss as to how that would have happened.


Josh




On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:00 Dennis C. via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I'm guessing the thread degradation doesn't have much effect on
the strength as long as the shaft is not damaged.  Having said
that, the shear strength of a M12 10.9 hardness bolt is about 7500
lbs.

Did I win?  What's my prize?  Can it be shipped or do I need to
pick it up/sail it home?

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:42 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:

Engineering discussion for the group.

Here's the background.  For about 9 years I have known about
having 1 of the 2 bolts broken on the forward starboard engine
mount. These bolts hold a piece of 1/2 inch plate steel which
was bent at a 90° angle to the vertical side of the engine. 
This creates a horizontal shelf. The shelf then rests directly
on the vibration dampening mount which is then bolted to the
boat. Periodically, I have made attempts to extract the bolt
but only a few days ago was I finally successful.  The bolt
was a M12x1.75.  I don't know what hardness the OEM called
for.  Years ago when I discovered the broken bolt I was quick
to replace the remaining good one with one having a hardness
of 10.9.  For a fresh start, I now intend to replace both of
them with new and again a hardness of 10.9.  In removing the
old bolt, my drill hole was off center and ended up cutting
some of the threads.  I approximate not more than 1/4 of the
thread integrity was compromised.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=15GCOH3qKIWXl1lmjsbZqsf-ECGCrl1fN

Here comes the question(s).  Just for kicks, I decide to
attempt to figure out what the sheer strength of the engine
mounting bolts are individually.  I came up with an answer but
would like hear what the group comes up with.

I also now have a bunch of other questions tumbling around
like:  How much weight would it take to break one?  How much
margin to failure did I have while operating for the last 9
years?  What could have possibly caused this bolt to break
prior to my ownership?  Theories and ponderings are welcome.

With 1/4 of the threads degraded on the newly available bolt
hole, I plan to only torque the bolt to ~50% of max (90
ft-lbs) which would be ~45 ft-lbs.  I'll also make sure that
the lock washer is fully collapsed but I'm confident that that
will happen well before final torque is reached.  In sheer, I
believe this bolt is providing as much or more strength simply
by being there than anything to do with its torque.  All
though, I have heard the engineering theory that (when built
appropriately) the bolts apply the pressure which creates the
friction to prevent the pieces from moving in sheer.  Under
this argument the 2 pieces of metal don't actually ride on the
bolt shank specifically, and the surface area where the 2
pieces touch is of particular importance.  Looking at the
engine castings, it would appear that maximizing surface area
contact was not considered.  As such, I can only fall back on
my previous thought that the bolt shank is in fact carrying
the load in sheer and torque is more or less irrelevant except
for the purpose of keeping the bolt tight.  I'm also aware of
various thread repair options but in the awkward location I am
fearful that I would cause more damage than good by attempting
any of them.  Particularly if the value added by the second
bolt truly is its presence not its torque.

All thoughts and insights are encouraged.


All the best,

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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to help with the costs involved.  If you want to show your
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-- 
Denni

Stus-List Re: Broken engine mount bolt

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Neil,

It was awkward to see and corroded over.  As best I can recall, it appeared
the same way as any bolt I've ever broken by applying too much torque.  It
was definitely not a flat break across the face.  The resulting diagonal
face added significant difficulty in getting drill started.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Wed, Feb 24, 2021, 21:51 Neil Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
>
> Did you happen to get a look at the broken bolt looking across the face of
> the break?  Good possibility it was a fatigue failure which occurs at
> stresses well below the breaking strength, in which case you can sometimes
> see the "beach marks" as the failure works its way across the section.
>
> Neil Gallagher
> Weatherly 35-1
> Glen Cove, NY
>
>
> On 2/24/2021 8:47 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Dennis,
>
> Your number of 7500 lbs confirms my number of 7200 lbs.  That just seems
> incredibly high considering the OEM decided that 2 bolts would be
> required.  It also seems ridiculous that one of them broke.  I am at a
> complete loss as to how that would have happened.
>
> Josh
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021, 12:00 Dennis C. via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing the thread degradation doesn't have much effect on the
>> strength as long as the shaft is not damaged.  Having said that, the shear
>> strength of a M12 10.9 hardness bolt is about 7500 lbs.
>>
>> Did I win?  What's my prize?  Can it be shipped or do I need to pick it
>> up/sail it home?
>>
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 23, 2021 at 9:42 AM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Engineering discussion for the group.
>>>
>>> Here's the background.  For about 9 years I have known about having 1 of
>>> the 2 bolts broken on the forward starboard engine mount.  These bolts hold
>>> a piece of 1/2 inch plate steel which was bent at a 90° angle to the
>>> vertical side of the engine.  This creates a horizontal shelf.  The shelf
>>> then rests directly on the vibration dampening mount which is then bolted
>>> to the boat. Periodically, I have made attempts to extract the bolt but
>>> only a few days ago was I finally successful.  The bolt was a M12x1.75.  I
>>> don't know what hardness the OEM called for.  Years ago when I discovered
>>> the broken bolt I was quick to replace the remaining good one with one
>>> having a hardness of 10.9.  For a fresh start, I now intend to replace both
>>> of them with new and again a hardness of 10.9.  In removing the old bolt,
>>> my drill hole was off center and ended up cutting some of the threads.  I
>>> approximate not more than 1/4 of the thread integrity was compromised.
>>>
>>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=15GCOH3qKIWXl1lmjsbZqsf-ECGCrl1fN
>>>
>>> Here comes the question(s).  Just for kicks, I decide to attempt to
>>> figure out what the sheer strength of the engine mounting bolts are
>>> individually.  I came up with an answer but would like hear what the group
>>> comes up with.
>>>
>>> I also now have a bunch of other questions tumbling around like:  How
>>> much weight would it take to break one?  How much margin to failure did I
>>> have while operating for the last 9 years?  What could have possibly caused
>>> this bolt to break prior to my ownership?  Theories and ponderings are
>>> welcome.
>>>
>>> With 1/4 of the threads degraded on the newly available bolt hole, I
>>> plan to only torque the bolt to ~50% of max (90 ft-lbs) which would be ~45
>>> ft-lbs.  I'll also make sure that the lock washer is fully collapsed but
>>> I'm confident that that will happen well before final torque is reached.
>>> In sheer, I believe this bolt is providing as much or more strength simply
>>> by being there than anything to do with its torque.  All though, I have
>>> heard the engineering theory that (when built appropriately) the bolts
>>> apply the pressure which creates the friction to prevent the pieces from
>>> moving in sheer.  Under this argument the 2 pieces of metal don't actually
>>> ride on the bolt shank specifically, and the surface area where the 2
>>> pieces touch is of particular importance.  Looking at the engine castings,
>>> it would appear that maximizing surface area contact was not considered.
>>> As such, I can only fall back on my previous thought that the bolt shank is
>>> in fact carrying the load in sheer and torque is more or less irrelevant
>>> except for the purpose of keeping the bolt tight.  I'm also aware of
>>> various thread repair options but in the awkward location I am fearful that
>>> I would cause more damage than good by attempting any of them.
>>> Particularly if the value added by the second bolt truly is its presence
>>> not its torque.
>>>
>>> All thoughts and insights are encouraged.
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
>>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list

Stus-List Painting substitution question

[Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List]

Well, the old Wild Cheri is in bad need of a new paint job.  But rather than a 
regular expensive marine paint, here's an interesting question:  Since 
Corvettes and other cars are either fiberglass or plastic these days, couldn't 
some kind of auto paint work as well on the deck and hull?I would imagine auto 
paint would be less expensive since it's used so often and so widespread.Any 
downside the list can think of?RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL
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Stus-List Re: Painting substitution question

[Alan Liles via CnC-List]

I had a boat painted with Imron. I was very happy with it. It was somewhat 
cheaper than Awlgrip but you need supplied fresh air when spraying as it’s 
fairly toxic. 

Al Liles
SV Elendil, C&C 37/40+
Vancouver 


> On Feb 24, 2021, at 7:20 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Well, the old Wild Cheri is in bad need of a new paint job.  But rather than 
> a regular expensive marine paint, here's an interesting question:  Since 
> Corvettes and other cars are either fiberglass or plastic these days, 
> couldn't some kind of auto paint work as well on the deck and hull?
> I would imagine auto paint would be less expensive since it's used so often 
> and so widespread.
> Any downside the list can think of?
> Ron
> Wild Cheri
> C&C 30-1
> STL
> 
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
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