Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket (now securing a furler)

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Me too

Neil Andersen
1982 C&C 32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Paul Baker via 
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Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 1:57 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Paul Baker
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket (now securing a furler)

My old Harken furler has two holes so you can put a pin through the drum and 
case to lock it. I do that, plus several wraps around the sail with the sheets 
and also secure the furling line with a proper cleat hitch around a cleat. That 
sucker is not unfurling without me doing it.


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
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Sent: January 8, 2020 6:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie a 
quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can just 
pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from the stern 
rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot come free. I 
also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think I'll add a more 
secure knot at the final block to be safe.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto

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Re: Stus-List Battery Bank Configuration

[Robert Boyer via CnC-List]

There may come a time that I regret my current battery configuration but I 
haven’t regretted it for the past 5 years of cruising.  I currently have four 
Group 31 Firefly Oasis carbon foam AGM’s ($500 each) in parallel as one large 
battery bank.  I have 340 watts of flexible (Solbian) solar panels that feed 
the single large battery bank.

I believe that battery combiners and similar devices are more likely to fail 
than my batteries.  (If I ever have a dead battery, I will isolate it and 
continue to operate with just three until I can replace it.  I think the idea 
of a separate starting battery and the notion of the need to separate batteries 
into two usable banks is outdated—it was a continuation from a time before 
reliable batteries were available.  I wouldn’t use my system with cheaper 
batteries.)

Bob (currently in Nassau with 75 degree weather!)

Bob Boyer
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com

> On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> You're boat is wired wrong or you are misinterpreting the indications.  You 
> are absolutely correct that the starter battery should be "spared".  Really 
> what "spared" means is that it should always and only be connected to the 
> engine starter.  The output of the alternator should be switched by an ACR or 
> echo charge to charge the start battery only after the house batts have 
> sufficient voltage.
> 
> In the link is a picture of a "better" way to wire a system like yours.  If 
> you wanted to install the system as depicted but split the bank of 2 house 
> batteries, you could re-purpose your old/existing 1-all-2 switch such that it 
> separates the 2 house batts shown as a single bank.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bmc_PsjKHSQKYjy4Jnhl7ZV232MoiOJ2/view?usp=drivesdk
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 9:27 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> This may be obvious to most of you but came as a surprise to me.  I've got a 
>> 3 battery bank with 2 deep cycles and 1 starter battery.  It's got a 1 All 2 
>>  switch.  I was testing load and was surprised to see that if you're using 1 
>> or 2 it's also drawing power off the starter battery too.
>> 
>> Doesn't this defeat the point. Shouldn't the starter battery be completely 
>> spared while not running the engine.
>> 
>> Is there a better configuration?
>> 
>> Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 84 Landfall 35
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

Hi Bruce,

This makes good sense for sure. The problem I have is that the clews on
both my headsails are very high off the deck - I have to unfurl partly
before I can reach them easily (I am 5'8"). I can just reach the
smaller/inner headsail clew, but the genoa is at least 18" above that. When
I remove the sheets for cleaning, I tied a single line on the clew, then
wrapped it and tied off securely to the foredeck, which I will probably do
for the next month or so as I work on the electrical and won't be sailing.
I do visit the boat every week or so, and if there is a time when I will be
away for longer, I may just remove the sails.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 7:46 PM bwhitmore  wrote:

> Let me go one further - No matter the knots you tie here and there,
> nothing will protect the boat from damaged caused by a flogging jib like
> tying around the jib itself, especially through the clue with a sail tie.
> Furling lines can chafe.  They can break.  The only way to ensure the jib
> from unfurling is to put a safety tie around it.
>
> I do it every time I tie up to the dock, as it takes only seconds to undo,
> and I've witnessed too many destroyed jibs & genoas because they relied
> solely on the roller furling line to keep things under control in a blow.
>
> Just my $.02 worth,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> C&C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> Date: 1/8/20 9:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Shawn Wright 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>
> All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie
> a quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can
> just pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from
> the stern rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot
> come free. I also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think
> I'll add a more secure knot at the final block to be safe.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom:
>>
>> I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my
>> previous 34.  They were similar boats.
>>
>> One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34.
>> The boat reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy
>> breeze.  I later discovered that my then-young children had un-cleated the
>> roller furler line while playing with the winch.  The sail unfurled in the
>> breeze, and at some point the genny sheet wrapped around a lower shroud and
>> ripped it out of the mast.  I had to replace the shroud (rod rigging) and
>> also have the mast repaired (welded) just below the spreader bracket.  Your
>> issue is obviously different, but in my case South Shore Yachts was very
>> helpful.  They also had a direct replacement for a gooseneck fitting that
>> broke.  I suggest calling them.
>>
>> Robert MacLachlan
>> South Shore Yachts
>> 905-468-4340 office
>> 905-658-8454 cell
>>
>> P.S.  Much more careful about securing the roller furler when I leave the
>> boat these days.
>>
>> *From:* Tom Alessi via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:45 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Tom Alessi 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>>
>>
>> Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port
>> spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to
>> spreader.  Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it
>> came unfurled during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can
>> only imagine it violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket
>> partially off I can see a hole in the mast.
>>
>> - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse
>> than that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.
>>
>> -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source
>> for replacements?
>>
>> - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?
>>
>> Appreciate any info.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Alessi
>> Andiamo C&C 36
>> 646-283-1580
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Stus- (now securing a furler)

[T Sutton via CnC-List]

I second that, and if I think it’s going to be stormy in my absence I also 
double up the mooring lines.

Tom S

From: Paul Baker via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:57 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Paul Baker 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket (now securing a furler)

My old Harken furler has two holes so you can put a pin through the drum and 
case to lock it. I do that, plus several wraps around the sail with the sheets 
and also secure the furling line with a proper cleat hitch around a cleat. That 
sucker is not unfurling without me doing it.





From: CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn Wright via 
CnC-List 
Sent: January 8, 2020 6:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket 

All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie a 
quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can just 
pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from the stern 
rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot come free. I 
also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think I'll add a more 
secure knot at the final block to be safe.  

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


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Re: Stus-List Battery Bank Configuration

[T Sutton via CnC-List]

Glad to hear I’m not the only one!!  I only have 2 Group 31 AGM’s from CTC and 
300 W solar but haven’t had to plug into shore power since setting it up and 
that is very convenient when heading out for a day sail.  Fridge runs 24/7 but 
we don’t have heat or air and I have converted most lights to LED but we spend 
a month or so in the North Channel and no issues so far.

Tom S

From: Robert Boyer via CnC-List 
Sent: Thursday, January 9, 2020 7:24 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Robert Boyer 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Battery Bank Configuration

There may come a time that I regret my current battery configuration but I 
haven’t regretted it for the past 5 years of cruising.  I currently have four 
Group 31 Firefly Oasis carbon foam AGM’s ($500 each) in parallel as one large 
battery bank.  I have 340 watts of flexible (Solbian) solar panels that feed 
the single large battery bank. 

I believe that battery combiners and similar devices are more likely to fail 
than my batteries.  (If I ever have a dead battery, I will isolate it and 
continue to operate with just three until I can replace it.  I think the idea 
of a separate starting battery and the notion of the need to separate batteries 
into two usable banks is outdated—it was a continuation from a time before 
reliable batteries were available.  I wouldn’t use my system with cheaper 
batteries.)

Bob (currently in Nassau with 75 degree weather!)


Bob Boyer 
s/v Rainy Days
C&C Landfall 38 (Hull # 230)
(Spending winters in the Bahamas, summers in Baltimore, and somewhere on the 
ICW in between)
blog: dainyrays.blogspot.com
email: dainyr...@icloud.com


  On Jan 4, 2020, at 10:18 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
 wrote:


   
  You're boat is wired wrong or you are misinterpreting the indications.  You 
are absolutely correct that the starter battery should be "spared".  Really 
what "spared" means is that it should always and only be connected to the 
engine starter.  The output of the alternator should be switched by an ACR or 
echo charge to charge the start battery only after the house batts have 
sufficient voltage. 

  In the link is a picture of a "better" way to wire a system like yours.  If 
you wanted to install the system as depicted but split the bank of 2 house 
batteries, you could re-purpose your old/existing 1-all-2 switch such that it 
separates the 2 house batts shown as a single bank.

  
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1bmc_PsjKHSQKYjy4Jnhl7ZV232MoiOJ2/view?usp=drivesdk


  Josh Muckley 
  S/V Sea Hawk 
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons, MD





  On Sat, Jan 4, 2020, 9:27 PM Peter Cowenhoven via CnC-List 
 wrote:

This may be obvious to most of you but came as a surprise to me.  I've got 
a 3 battery bank with 2 deep cycles and 1 starter battery.  It's got a 1 All 2  
switch.  I was testing load and was surprised to see that if you're using 1 or 
2 it's also drawing power off the starter battery too. 

Doesn't this defeat the point. Shouldn't the starter battery be completely 
spared while not running the engine.

Is there a better configuration?

Thanks in advance!

Peter

84 Landfall 35



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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Another one: Back in the 1980s before I knew what I know now about 
batteries and charging, I got tired of replacing the batteries and dead 
batteries, so I bought what the battery shop told me was the best they 
had. I paid big $$ for a Rolls 4D battery and hauled that heavy hunk 
of lead down to the boat. The stock 35 amp 13.8 volt alternator on the 
A4 had no chance at all of charging it correctly and the battery 
sulfated itself to death quickly :(


Joe

Coquina


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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

When i furl my headsail i try to get both sheets to wrap 2 sometime 3 times
around the furled sail. Then i wrap the cockpit end of each sheet around
its winch and pull tight before securely cleating. I have never washed my
sheets or any other lines. They don’t seem dirty even after all these 15 or
so years.

On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:47 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Let me go one further - No matter the knots you tie here and there,
> nothing will protect the boat from damaged caused by a flogging jib like
> tying around the jib itself, especially through the clue with a sail tie.
> Furling lines can chafe.  They can break.  The only way to ensure the jib
> from unfurling is to put a safety tie around it.
>
> I do it every time I tie up to the dock, as it takes only seconds to undo,
> and I've witnessed too many destroyed jibs & genoas because they relied
> solely on the roller furling line to keep things under control in a blow.
>
> Just my $.02 worth,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> C&C 37/40+
> "Astralis"
>
>
>
> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> Date: 1/8/20 9:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Shawn Wright 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>
> All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie
> a quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can
> just pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from
> the stern rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot
> come free. I also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think
> I'll add a more secure knot at the final block to be safe.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom:
>>
>> I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my
>> previous 34.  They were similar boats.
>>
>> One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34.
>> The boat reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy
>> breeze.  I later discovered that my then-young children had un-cleated the
>> roller furler line while playing with the winch.  The sail unfurled in the
>> breeze, and at some point the genny sheet wrapped around a lower shroud and
>> ripped it out of the mast.  I had to replace the shroud (rod rigging) and
>> also have the mast repaired (welded) just below the spreader bracket.  Your
>> issue is obviously different, but in my case South Shore Yachts was very
>> helpful.  They also had a direct replacement for a gooseneck fitting that
>> broke.  I suggest calling them.
>>
>> Robert MacLachlan
>> South Shore Yachts
>> 905-468-4340 office
>> 905-658-8454 cell
>>
>> P.S.  Much more careful about securing the roller furler when I leave the
>> boat these days.
>>
>> *From:* Tom Alessi via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:45 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Tom Alessi 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>>
>>
>> Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port
>> spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to
>> spreader.  Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it
>> came unfurled during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can
>> only imagine it violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket
>> partially off I can see a hole in the mast.
>>
>> - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse
>> than that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.
>>
>> -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source
>> for replacements?
>>
>> - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?
>>
>> Appreciate any info.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Alessi
>> Andiamo C&C 36
>> 646-283-1580
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

I foolproof solution is to wrap and secure a sail tie around the furled genny.  
Then it doesn’t matter what’s going on at the back of the boat. 

From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 9:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Shawn Wright 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie a 
quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can just 
pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from the stern 
rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot come free. I 
also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think I'll add a more 
secure knot at the final block to be safe.  

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto



On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Tom:

  I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my 
previous 34.  They were similar boats.

  One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34.  The 
boat reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy breeze.  I 
later discovered that my then-young children had un-cleated the roller furler 
line while playing with the winch.  The sail unfurled in the breeze, and at 
some point the genny sheet wrapped around a lower shroud and ripped it out of 
the mast.  I had to replace the shroud (rod rigging) and also have the mast 
repaired (welded) just below the spreader bracket.  Your issue is obviously 
different, but in my case South Shore Yachts was very helpful.  They also had a 
direct replacement for a gooseneck fitting that broke.  I suggest calling them.

  Robert MacLachlan
  South Shore Yachts
  905-468-4340 office
  905-658-8454 cell

  P.S.  Much more careful about securing the roller furler when I leave the 
boat these days.

  From: Tom Alessi via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:45 PM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Cc: Tom Alessi 
  Subject: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

  Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port 
spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to spreader.  
Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it came unfurled 
during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can only imagine it 
violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket partially off I can see 
a hole in the mast.

  - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse than 
that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.

  -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source for 
replacements?

  - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?

  Appreciate any info.



  Tom Alessi
  Andiamo C&C 36
  646-283-1580




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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[dwight veinot via CnC-List]

I would likely need a step ladder to wrap a sail tie around the furled
genny above the clew

On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 2:23 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I foolproof solution is to wrap and secure a sail tie around the furled
> genny.  Then it doesn’t matter what’s going on at the back of the boat.
>
> *From:* Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 9:33 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Shawn Wright 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>
> All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie
> a quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can
> just pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from
> the stern rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot
> come free. I also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think
> I'll add a more secure knot at the final block to be safe.
>
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Tom:
>>
>> I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my
>> previous 34.  They were similar boats.
>>
>> One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34.
>> The boat reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy
>> breeze.  I later discovered that my then-young children had un-cleated the
>> roller furler line while playing with the winch.  The sail unfurled in the
>> breeze, and at some point the genny sheet wrapped around a lower shroud and
>> ripped it out of the mast.  I had to replace the shroud (rod rigging) and
>> also have the mast repaired (welded) just below the spreader bracket.  Your
>> issue is obviously different, but in my case South Shore Yachts was very
>> helpful.  They also had a direct replacement for a gooseneck fitting that
>> broke.  I suggest calling them.
>>
>> Robert MacLachlan
>> South Shore Yachts
>> 905-468-4340 office
>> 905-658-8454 cell
>>
>> P.S.  Much more careful about securing the roller furler when I leave the
>> boat these days.
>>
>> *From:* Tom Alessi via CnC-List 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:45 PM
>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> *Cc:* Tom Alessi 
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>>
>>
>> Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port
>> spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to
>> spreader.  Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it
>> came unfurled during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can
>> only imagine it violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket
>> partially off I can see a hole in the mast.
>>
>> - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse
>> than that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.
>>
>> -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source
>> for replacements?
>>
>> - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?
>>
>> Appreciate any info.
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Alessi
>> Andiamo C&C 36
>> 646-283-1580
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[randal johnston via CnC-List]

As long as needed, as in twice step ladder height, sail tie; tie figure eight 
knot near middle; run thru clew to knot; furl; then wrap sail tie (or length of 
line) around furled sail, secure with favorite knot.

randy
Tamanawas
29-II
Hood River,OR


> On Jan 9, 2020, at 10:39 AM, dwight veinot via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I would likely need a step ladder to wrap a sail tie around the furled genny 
> above the clew
> 
> On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 2:23 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> I foolproof solution is to wrap and secure a sail tie around the furled 
> genny.  Then it doesn’t matter what’s going on at the back of the boat.
>  
> From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 9:33 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Shawn Wright 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>  
> All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I tie a 
> quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I can just 
> pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung from the 
> stern rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the knot come 
> free. I also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I think I'll add a 
> more secure knot at the final block to be safe. 
>  
> --
> Shawn Wright
> shawngwri...@gmail.com 
> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto 
>  
>  
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Tom:
>  
> I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my 
> previous 34.  They were similar boats.
>  
> One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34.  The 
> boat reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy breeze.  I 
> later discovered that my then-young children had un-cleated the roller furler 
> line while playing with the winch.  The sail unfurled in the breeze, and at 
> some point the genny sheet wrapped around a lower shroud and ripped it out of 
> the mast.  I had to replace the shroud (rod rigging) and also have the mast 
> repaired (welded) just below the spreader bracket.  Your issue is obviously 
> different, but in my case South Shore Yachts was very helpful.  They also had 
> a direct replacement for a gooseneck fitting that broke.  I suggest calling 
> them.
>  
> Robert MacLachlan
> South Shore Yachts
> 905-468-4340 office
> 905-658-8454 cell
>  
> P.S.  Much more careful about securing the roller furler when I leave the 
> boat these days.
>  
> From: Tom Alessi via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:45 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Tom Alessi 
> Subject: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>  
> Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port 
> spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to 
> spreader.  Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it came 
> unfurled during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can only 
> imagine it violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket partially 
> off I can see a hole in the mast.
> 
> - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse than 
> that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.
> 
> -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source for 
> replacements?
> 
> - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?
> 
> Appreciate any info.
> 
>  
> 
> Tom Alessi
> Andiamo C&C 36
> 646-283-1580
> 
>  
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Re: Stus-List Stus- (now securing a furler)

[Rodney Randow via CnC-List]

If stormy weather is predicted or you will be away for an extended 
period, wrap the spare halyard around the sail in addition to the 
suggestions already mentioned. Make 4-6 wraps from top to bottom and 
secure the halyard end to the deck.



Rod

33-1


On 1/9/20 10:01 AM, T Sutton via CnC-List wrote:
I second that, and if I think it’s going to be stormy in my absence I 
also double up the mooring lines.

Tom S
*From:* Paul Baker via CnC-List
*Sent:* Wednesday, January 8, 2020 11:57 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
*Cc:* Paul Baker
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket (now securing a furler)
My old Harken furler has two holes so you can put a pin through the 
drum and case to lock it. I do that, plus several wraps around the 
sail with the sheets and also secure the furling line with a proper 
cleat hitch around a cleat. That sucker is not unfurling without me 
doing it.


*From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Shawn 
Wright via CnC-List 

*Sent:* January 8, 2020 6:33 PM
*To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
*Cc:* Shawn Wright 
*Subject:* Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I 
tie a quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit 
so I can just pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked 
and hung from the stern rain, but that's probably not going to save me 
should the knot come free. I also do two wraps of the sheets around 
the furler. I think I'll add a more secure knot at the final block to 
be safe.

--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
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Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket

[Shawn Wright via CnC-List]

My genoa sheets tend to lie on the deck along the toerail unless I pull
them really tight, so they can get a bit dirty from crud on the deck. Also,
because I'm next to the Navy base and graving dock, there is a lot of
sediment in the air, especially when wind is from the south. When I left
today, I pulled all the sheets tight to get them off the deck, and double
knotted the furling lines. I'll probably pull the sheets off when I get a
chance, and use a short line to wrap the sails, as the sheets are a
tripping hazard getting on/off the boat when pulled tight.
--
Shawn Wright
shawngwri...@gmail.com
S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto


On Thu, Jan 9, 2020 at 8:43 AM dwight veinot via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> When i furl my headsail i try to get both sheets to wrap 2 sometime 3
> times around the furled sail. Then i wrap the cockpit end of each sheet
> around its winch and pull tight before securely cleating. I have never
> washed my sheets or any other lines. They don’t seem dirty even after all
> these 15 or so years.
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 11:47 PM bwhitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Let me go one further - No matter the knots you tie here and there,
>> nothing will protect the boat from damaged caused by a flogging jib like
>> tying around the jib itself, especially through the clue with a sail tie.
>> Furling lines can chafe.  They can break.  The only way to ensure the jib
>> from unfurling is to put a safety tie around it.
>>
>> I do it every time I tie up to the dock, as it takes only seconds to
>> undo, and I've witnessed too many destroyed jibs & genoas because they
>> relied solely on the roller furling line to keep things under control in a
>> blow.
>>
>> Just my $.02 worth,
>>
>> Bruce Whitmore
>> C&C 37/40+
>> "Astralis"
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from Samsung tablet.
>>
>>
>>  Original message 
>> From: Shawn Wright via CnC-List 
>> Date: 1/8/20 9:33 PM (GMT-05:00)
>> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>> Cc: Shawn Wright 
>> Subject: Re: Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>>
>> All this talk has my thinking I should double up on my furler lines. I
>> tie a quick loop knot around the final blocks mounted at the cockpit so I
>> can just pull the loop to release them. The line is also flaked and hung
>> from the stern rain, but that's probably not going to save me should the
>> knot come free. I also do two wraps of the sheets around the furler. I
>> think I'll add a more secure knot at the final block to be safe.
>>
>> --
>> Shawn Wright
>> shawngwri...@gmail.com
>> S/V Callisto, 1974 C&C 35
>> https://www.facebook.com/SVCallisto
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jan 8, 2020 at 5:34 PM Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tom:
>>>
>>> I don’t know the vintage of your 36, but I’ll bet it’s close to my
>>> previous 34.  They were similar boats.
>>>
>>> One morning, I got a call from the dockmaster where I kept my 34.
>>> The boat reportedly tried to sail out of the slip by itself in a heavy
>>> breeze.  I later discovered that my then-young children had un-cleated the
>>> roller furler line while playing with the winch.  The sail unfurled in the
>>> breeze, and at some point the genny sheet wrapped around a lower shroud and
>>> ripped it out of the mast.  I had to replace the shroud (rod rigging) and
>>> also have the mast repaired (welded) just below the spreader bracket.  Your
>>> issue is obviously different, but in my case South Shore Yachts was very
>>> helpful.  They also had a direct replacement for a gooseneck fitting that
>>> broke.  I suggest calling them.
>>>
>>> Robert MacLachlan
>>> South Shore Yachts
>>> 905-468-4340 office
>>> 905-658-8454 cell
>>>
>>> P.S.  Much more careful about securing the roller furler when I leave
>>> the boat these days.
>>>
>>> *From:* Tom Alessi via CnC-List 
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 08, 2020 4:45 PM
>>> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>>> *Cc:* Tom Alessi 
>>> *Subject:* Stus-List Spreader Bracket
>>>
>>>
>>> Went to check up on my boat the other day and found that my lower port
>>> spreader bracket had been pulled off the mast, but still attached to
>>> spreader.  Seems a nearby sailboat owner had not removed the jib and it
>>> came unfurled during a storm and caught hold of the spreader boot. I can
>>> only imagine it violently shaking my spreader and rig. With the bracket
>>> partially off I can see a hole in the mast.
>>>
>>> - Is that some kind of access opening behind the bracket? Or is it worse
>>> than that? I'm buried in the yard and the mast won't be down till spring.
>>>
>>> -If the bracket or spreader is destroyed, does anyone know of a source
>>> for replacements?
>>>
>>> - Boat owner or Boatyard responsible?
>>>
>>> Appreciate any info.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom Alessi
>>> Andiamo C&C 36
>>> 646-283-1580
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Dennis:

One last observation to your point.  I have found over the years that the 
odds of making a dumb boat-related decision is directly proportional to the 
amount of time I spend thinking about it ahead of time.  When I simply do my 
best to repair or replace old equipment with something comparable in more or 
less the same configuration as the original design, things usually work out 
fine.  When I get creative or innovative, things tend to not work out as I 
hoped.  As a result, I do not spend much energy these days trying to reinvent 
the wheel.

Matt
C&C 42 Custom
Erie, PA


From: Dennis C. via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2020 3:35 PM
To: CnClist 
Cc: Dennis C. 
Subject: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we made 
that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve "cheaping 
it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just lingering 
"shoulda woulda's". 

One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on extended 
vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a couple weeks 
absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster had eased an inch 
or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases ever so slowly over a 
couple weeks.

One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa car 
system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken system 
or perhaps a Garhauer system.

Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar regrettable 
decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA



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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Randy, is your boat out of the water for winter storage?  If so, instead of
putting antifreeze in the bilge next year, try a good, powerful wet dry vac
on the bilge pump outlet(s).  Leave the vacuum on the outlet(s) for several
minutes, until no more water comes out.  That way you don't spoil your
check valves with anti freeze.

Ken H.

On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 17:36, Randy Stafford via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of
> bilge pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time
> had to pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them
> in - ugh).  Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small
> rubber joker valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the
> antifreeze I pour into the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in
> my head starts back-flowing every spring.  I may have to replace those
> check valve jokers annually to avoid cycling bilge pumps again.
>
> Cheers,
> Randy
> Grenadine 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
>
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision
> we made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve
> "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just
> lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> >
> > One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay
> adjuster rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was
> on extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a
> couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster
> had eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases
> ever so slowly over a couple weeks.
> >
> > One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable
> genoa car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a
> Harken system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> >
> > Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar
> regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> >
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Painful and/or lingering decisions

[Randy Stafford via CnC-List]

Thanks Ken.  Yes, my boat is out of the water for winter storage.  In past 
winters I’ve still gotten a bit of water ingress, but maybe anti-freeze in the 
bilge is overkill.  I wanted to pump it through the bilge pumps and discharge 
hoses, but sucking water out with a shop vac could work too.  This year she’s 
shrink-wrapped for the first time since I’ve owned her, so that should help 
prevent ingress (from snowmelt).  In past years I’d remove snow from her but it 
wasn’t foolproof.

Cheers,
Randy

> On Jan 9, 2020, at 7:11 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Randy, is your boat out of the water for winter storage?  If so, instead of 
> putting antifreeze in the bilge next year, try a good, powerful wet dry vac 
> on the bilge pump outlet(s).  Leave the vacuum on the outlet(s) for several 
> minutes, until no more water comes out.  That way you don't spoil your check 
> valves with anti freeze.
> 
> Ken H.
> 
> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 17:36, Randy Stafford via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
> Replaced all bilge plumbing.  Did not install check valves downstream of 
> bilge pumps.  Ran batteries dead twice from cycling bilge pumps (each time 
> had to pull them out, take them home, charge them, take them back, put them 
> in - ugh).  Then installed check valves from Defender which contain small 
> rubber joker valves.  I’m expecting those to start leaking from the 
> antifreeze I pour into the bilge for winterization, same reason the one in my 
> head starts back-flowing every spring.  I may have to replace those check 
> valve jokers annually to avoid cycling bilge pumps again.
> 
> Cheers,
> Randy
> Grenadine 30-1 #79
> Ken Caryl, CO
> 
> > On Jan 8, 2020, at 1:35 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List  > > wrote:
> > 
> > I'm sure most of us have a story (or two) about a boat related decision we 
> > made that we wish we'd done differently.  Many of them probably involve 
> > "cheaping it" or doing something in haste.  Some are painful; some are just 
> > lingering "shoulda woulda's".
> > 
> > One of my "lingering" ones is having my Navtec hydraulic backstay adjuster 
> > rebuilt by someone other than Lew Townsend out in Seattle (Lew was on 
> > extended vacation and I was impatient).  Went to boat this week after a 
> > couple weeks absence and the backstay was slack.again.  The adjuster 
> > had eased an inch or so.  It holds fine for day sailing or a race but eases 
> > ever so slowly over a couple weeks.
> > 
> > One of my painful decisions was installing a Lewmar line adjustable genoa 
> > car system.  While it works "okay", it doesn't adjust as easily as a Harken 
> > system or perhaps a Garhauer system.
> > 
> > Perhaps sharing some of your stories will save others from similar 
> > regrettable decisions or, at worst, give us a chuckle.
> > 
> > Dennis C.
> > Touche' 35-1 #83
> > Mandeville, LA
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Stus-List Winter storage & lingering decisions

[Len Mitchell via CnC-List]

I installed a garboard plug this fall after more than 20 years without. I have 
a dry bilge this winter and honestly regret not doing it sooner. It was only 
about $25 and it took about a half hour. Magnets were used to locate and I 
installed it flush with the keel stub. We are covered on the hard about 6 
months a year up here! The Toronto boat show starts on Jan 17th, that’s half 
way to spring in the North. 
Len Mitchell
1989 37+
Midland On. 

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Re: Stus-List Winter storage & lingering decisions

[Nathan Post via CnC-List]

Has anyone tried a garboard plug on a centerboard version C&C keel?  Where did 
you put it?  I like the idea of keeping the bilge dry in the winter on the hard 
but am not sure how well it would work with the flat/wide bilge on the boat 
with the keel bolts down each side.  Where would I put it?  It would almost be 
ideal if I could go straight down the into the center board trunk but not sure 
if that would work (how long would the hole have to be?) or how to plug it. 
Thoughts?

- -
Nathan Post
S/V Wisper
1981 C&C 34 CB
Lynn, MA USA
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