Re: Stus-List Volvo Penta Sail Drive.

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

I would be curious as well. Is that the expected lifespan of those things?
Unless the new one lasts twice as long as the old version it doesn't seem cost 
effective.

Joe
Coquina


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Subject: Stus-List Volvo Penta Sail Drive.

Rod,
No thoughts, experience or suggestions but one question.What went wrong 
with a less than 15 years old engine and transmission?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2018-03-01 7:36 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List wrote:
I will need to replace my Volvo Penta Sail drive and transmission on my 2004 
C&C 99.  Just wondering if anyone else has done that.  As well in replacing it 
I can go with a 130 unit (newer and recommended by Volvo) over the MS 25 that 
was on the original installation.  Any thoughts and or experience would be 
appreciated.  Obviously the old unit would be less than half the price of the 
130.

Regards
Rod




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Re: Stus-List Volvo Penta Sail Drive.

[ROD STRIGHT via CnC-List]

This one struck something nothing to do with the life of the engine or sail
drive, my understanding is that they are good units and the people that have
them like them a lot, the people that don't have them seem to be the ones
with the comments.

 

Rod

 

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Subject: Re: Stus-List Volvo Penta Sail Drive.

 

I would be curious as well. Is that the expected lifespan of those things?

Unless the new one lasts twice as long as the old version it doesn't seem
cost effective.

 

Joe

Coquina

 

 

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Subject: Stus-List Volvo Penta Sail Drive.

 

Rod, 
No thoughts, experience or suggestions but one question.What went wrong
with a less than 15 years old engine and transmission?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C32 - 84
Halifax, N.S. 

On 2018-03-01 7:36 PM, Rod Stright via CnC-List wrote:

I will need to replace my Volvo Penta Sail drive and transmission on my 2004
C&C 99.  Just wondering if anyone else has done that.  As well in replacing
it I can go with a 130 unit (newer and recommended by Volvo) over the MS 25
that was on the original installation.  Any thoughts and or experience would
be appreciated.  Obviously the old unit would be less than half the price of
the 130.

 

Regards

Rod

 

 

 


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Stus-List Sail Drive

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hey,

My 2002 C&C 110 has the MD2030 and 130 Saildrive. I have had no problems
with the saildrive. I can't comment on the MS25, but I am happy with the
130S

Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C&C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY



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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 19:36:04 -0400
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I will need to replace my Volvo Penta Sail drive and transmission on my 2004
C&C 99.  Just wondering if anyone else has done that.  As well in replacing
it I can go with a 130 unit (newer and recommended by Volvo) over the MS 25
that was on the original installation.  Any thoughts and or experience would
be appreciated.  Obviously the old unit would be less than half the price of
the 130.



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Re: Stus-List Sail Drive

[Rod Stright via CnC-List]

Thanks Barry I'm leaning towards the 130 as it was built by Volvo the MS 25
was built by another company.

Rod

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Hey,

My 2002 C&C 110 has the MD2030 and 130 Saildrive. I have had no problems
with the saildrive. I can't comment on the MS25, but I am happy with the
130S

Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C&C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY



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I will need to replace my Volvo Penta Sail drive and transmission on my 2004
C&C 99.  Just wondering if anyone else has done that.  As well in replacing
it I can go with a 130 unit (newer and recommended by Volvo) over the MS 25
that was on the original installation.  Any thoughts and or experience would
be appreciated.  Obviously the old unit would be less than half the price of
the 130.



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Stus-List water heater

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I have to replace my water heater. I was wondering if there is a common wisdom 
on which ones are good and which ones are to be avoided. It looks like Kuuma, 
Camco and Seaward are available here (and all seem to look the same or very 
similar). I am looking for a 5-6 gal. heater that can use the engine coolant 
(and potentially AC, but this is secondary).

Any recommendations (or warnings) would be appreciated

thanks

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON
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Re: Stus-List water heater

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

If I was going to install one on Touche' it would be an Isotemp SPA unit.

Dennis C.

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:04 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have to replace my water heater. I was wondering if there is a common
> wisdom on which ones are good and which ones are to be avoided. It looks
> like Kuuma, Camco and Seaward are available here (and all seem to look the
> same or very similar). I am looking for a 5-6 gal. heater that can use the
> engine coolant (and potentially AC, but this is secondary).
>
> Any recommendations (or warnings) would be appreciated
>
> thanks
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
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Re: Stus-List water heater

[schiller via CnC-List]

Marek,

I have a 6 gallon Force 10 electric/engine coolant water heater that has 
been in my pole barn for about 10 years.  Still in box, still works.  I 
bought it to put in our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1), but never got around to 
it.  Make me an offer and pay shipping and it is yours (I have other 
boat projects to fund).  I already rebuilt the water heater that came 
out of Grace.


Neil Schiller
1983 C&C 35-3, #028
"Grace"
White Lake Michigan
WLYC

On 3/2/2018 2:04 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
I have to replace my water heater. I was wondering if there is a 
common wisdom on which ones are good and which ones are to be avoided. 
It looks like Kuuma, Camco and Seaward are available here (and all 
seem to look the same or very similar). I am looking for a 5-6 gal. 
heater that can use the engine coolant (and potentially AC, but this 
is secondary).

Any recommendations (or warnings) would be appreciated
thanks
Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON


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Re: Stus-List water heater

[Chad Osmond via CnC-List]

We have the Kuuma, and the thermostat stopped working, it was out of
warranty and we were the second owners but they still shipped me a free
replacement part.

When you go to install it it is highly worth getting the bypass kit if it's
anything like ours and shoved down in a locker where it's hard to reach,
and impossible to remove the hoses. I found about 5 stainless steel screws
and a long Robertson bit with a screw still taped to it down in ours.
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[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

I have the bypass already. One of the better upgrades I ever made. Makes the 
winterisation a substantially easier job.

Marek

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Subject: Re: Stus-List water heater

We have the Kuuma, and the thermostat stopped working, it was out of warranty 
and we were the second owners but they still shipped me a free replacement part.

When you go to install it it is highly worth getting the bypass kit if it's 
anything like ours and shoved down in a locker where it's hard to reach, and 
impossible to remove the hoses. I found about 5 stainless steel screws and a 
long Robertson bit with a screw still taped to it down in ours.

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Re: Stus-List water heater

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

The Kumma is essentially the same as the Force 10 as I understand it.
Either the company changed hands or was renamed.

The Kumma Heaters are fine, aluminum tank and a S/S housing.

Ken H.

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wrote:
> We have the Kuuma, and the thermostat stopped working, it was out of
warranty and we were the second owners but they still shipped me a free
replacement part.
> When you go to install it it is highly worth getting the bypass kit if
it's anything like ours and shoved down in a locker where it's hard to
reach, and impossible to remove the hoses. I found about 5 stainless steel
screws and a long Robertson bit with a screw still taped to it down in ours.
>
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Re: Stus-List water heater

[Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List]

I recently saw an article in the Boat U.S. magazine about replacing the 
sacrificial anode in boat water heaters.  

Interestingly, when we bought our boat, the water heater was not hooked up 
(though the hoses were still full of antifreeze), and the water tanks were bone 
dry.  I think it had been that way for at least 7 years, and maybe longer.  

I haven't checked the anode yet.  

Just curious, Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+, "Astralis"  
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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 Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 2:56 PM
 Subject: Re: Stus-List water heater
   
 Marek,
 
 I have a 6 gallon Force 10 electric/engine coolant water heater that has been 
in my pole barn for about 10 years.  Still in box, still works.  I bought it to 
put in our Redwing 35 (C&C 35-1), but never got around to it.  Make me an offer 
and pay shipping and it is yours (I have other boat projects to fund).  I 
already rebuilt the water heater that came out of Grace.
 
 Neil Schiller
 1983 C&C 35-3, #028
 "Grace"
 White Lake Michigan
 WLYC
 
 On 3/2/2018 2:04 PM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List wrote:
  
 
  I have to replace my water heater. I was wondering if there is a common 
wisdom on which ones are good and which ones are to be avoided. It looks like 
Kuuma, Camco and Seaward are available here (and all seem to look the same or 
very similar). I am looking for a 5-6 gal. heater that can use the engine 
coolant (and potentially AC, but this is secondary).   Any recommendations (or 
warnings) would be appreciated   thanks   Marek 1994 C270 “Legato” Ottawa, ON   
  
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Re: Stus-List water heater

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I installed an Isotherm in Pegasus and was very happy with it for 10 years I 
had the boat. Have an old Raritan in Rebecca Leah and not too impressed. From a 
live aboard stand point. 


Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 POYC, WA.


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 Date: 3/2/18  11:04  (GMT-08:00) To: C&C List 
 Cc: Marek Dziedzic  Subject: 
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I have to replace my water heater. I was wondering if there is a common wisdom 
on which ones are good and which ones are to be avoided. It looks like Kuuma, 
Camco and Seaward are available here (and all seem to look the same or very 
similar). I am looking
 for a 5-6 gal. heater that can use the engine coolant (and potentially AC, but 
this is secondary).
 
Any recommendations (or warnings) would be appreciated
 
thanks
 
Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON


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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I replaced mine a couple of years ago.  It was the same as the one I
removed, but the outside was plastic, so it wouldn't rust.  (The one I
removed was so badly rusted, that the bottom just fell out.)  What ever you
get, make sure that it will fit.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:04 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I have to replace my water heater. I was wondering if there is a common
> wisdom on which ones are good and which ones are to be avoided. It looks
> like Kuuma, Camco and Seaward are available here (and all seem to look the
> same or very similar). I am looking for a 5-6 gal. heater that can use the
> engine coolant (and potentially AC, but this is secondary).
>
> Any recommendations (or warnings) would be appreciated
>
> thanks
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
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[robert via CnC-List]

I have had my boat 12 years (seasons here in the North) with the same 
hot water heater.coolant and electric.never knew there might be 
an anode to replace.


However, after 12 seasons by me and I don't know how many by the 
original owner, I should be thinking, no planning, of replacing it.


When I took my fuel tank outlast Fall, another story, I measured the 
water tank and it will not come up from the lazarette, as is.it is 
just too big.it would have to be either taken apart ( the outer 
casing from the actual tank) or cut it up.  One thing for sure, if C&C 
or the previous put it in, it did not go down the lazarette the way it 
is put together right now.  And if you had to take it apart and put it 
back together when you get it in, why would you do that in the first 
place.  Get get a water heater that fits down the lazarette.


It can't be 33 years old?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.

On 2018-03-02 5:05 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
I recently saw an article in the Boat U.S. magazine about replacing 
the sacrificial anode in boat water heaters.


Interestingly, when we bought our boat, the water heater was not 
hooked up (though the hoses were still full of antifreeze), and the 
water tanks were bone dry.  I think it had been that way for at least 
7 years, and maybe longer.


I haven't checked the anode yet.

Just curious,
Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+, "Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net



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[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

I have a Volvo 120 sail drive on my 2001 C&C 110. Nice unit. No problems. 


Ted Drossos
C&C 110
Lady in Red
Long Island, NY
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[Ted Drossos via CnC-List]

Raritan makes an excellent water heater. I had one on my 1983 C&C 29. The 
original was still working fine after 30 years. I purchased a new one because 
the top on the old one was starting to show signs of rust. I sold that boat 
before installing the new water heater. If anyone is interested in buying a 6 
gallon Raritan water heater with a heat exchanger, I still have it. Drop me a 
note. 


Ted Drossos
C&C 110
Lady in Red
Long Island, NY  
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[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

The latest BoatUS magazine had an article about changing your water heater
anode.  Here's the link:

http://www.boatus.com/magazine/2018/february/replacing-your-boats-water-heater-anode.asp

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 4:53 PM, robert via CnC-List 
wrote:

> I have had my boat 12 years (seasons here in the North) with the same hot
> water heater.coolant and electric.never knew there might be an
> anode to replace.
>
> However, after 12 seasons by me and I don't know how many by the original
> owner, I should be thinking, no planning, of replacing it.
>
> When I took my fuel tank outlast Fall, another story, I measured the water
> tank and it will not come up from the lazarette, as is.it is just too
> big.it would have to be either taken apart ( the outer casing from the
> actual tank) or cut it up.  One thing for sure, if C&C or the previous put
> it in, it did not go down the lazarette the way it is put together right
> now.  And if you had to take it apart and put it back together when you get
> it in, why would you do that in the first place.  Get get a water heater
> that fits down the lazarette.
>
> It can't be 33 years old?
>
> Rob Abbott
> AZURA
> C&C 32- 84
> Halifax, N.S.
>
> On 2018-03-02 5:05 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
>
> I recently saw an article in the Boat U.S. magazine about replacing the
> sacrificial anode in boat water heaters.
>
> Interestingly, when we bought our boat, the water heater was not hooked up
> (though the hoses were still full of antifreeze), and the water tanks were
> bone dry.  I think it had been that way for at least 7 years, and maybe
> longer.
>
> I haven't checked the anode yet.
>
> Just curious,
>
> Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C&C 37/40+, "Astralis"
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
>
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

For some reason Raritan is super expensive.  I have one that came with the
boat and rebuilt it.  It works great and I have no intention of replacing
it.  We can stretch 6 gallons of hot water for 3 people.  The engine heats
the water quite hot and we can expect hot water 12 hours later after
motoring into port or to the anchorage.  I'm not sure that this level of
performance is unique to this water heater and as such, If I had replace, I
would not replace it with another Raritan simply because of the cost.

I've shared these pictures before but here you go again.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1ydEpoMU1MWmx6Qms

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD




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wrote:

> Raritan makes an excellent water heater. I had one on my 1983 C&C 29. The
> original was still working fine after 30 years. I purchased a new one
> because the top on the old one was starting to show signs of rust. I sold
> that boat before installing the new water heater. If anyone is interested
> in buying a 6 gallon Raritan water heater with a heat exchanger, I still
> have it. Drop me a note.
>
> Ted Drossos
> C&C 110
> Lady in Red
> Long Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List water heater

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Most often, the anode is part of the pressure relieve valve (the one that if 
you open it once, it does not close back properly).

Marek

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of robert via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, March 2, 2018 19:54
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: robert 
Subject: Stus-List water heater

I have had my boat 12 years (seasons here in the North) with the same hot water 
heater.coolant and electric.never knew there might be an anode to 
replace.

However, after 12 seasons by me and I don't know how many by the original 
owner, I should be thinking, no planning, of replacing it.

When I took my fuel tank outlast Fall, another story, I measured the water tank 
and it will not come up from the lazarette, as is.it is just too big.it 
would have to be either taken apart ( the outer casing from the actual tank) or 
cut it up.  One thing for sure, if C&C or the previous put it in, it did not go 
down the lazarette the way it is put together right now.  And if you had to 
take it apart and put it back together when you get it in, why would you do 
that in the first place.  Get get a water heater that fits down the lazarette.

It can't be 33 years old?

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32- 84
Halifax, N.S.
On 2018-03-02 5:05 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List wrote:
I recently saw an article in the Boat U.S. magazine about replacing the 
sacrificial anode in boat water heaters.

Interestingly, when we bought our boat, the water heater was not hooked up 
(though the hoses were still full of antifreeze), and the water tanks were bone 
dry.  I think it had been that way for at least 7 years, and maybe longer.

I haven't checked the anode yet.

Just curious,

Bruce Whitmore
1994 C&C 37/40+, "Astralis"
(847) 404-5092 (mobile)
bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net


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Re: Stus-List Water heater

[Lee via CnC-List]

Ted,Lee here. If this is the round style heater ,Im interested. At the moment I 
am in Fla. but will be home late Sun.Let me know what you need for it.You can 
either TEXT or Email or call  me on my cell,631-721-8624.Thanks,Lee
 
 
-Original Message-
From: Ted Drossos via CnC-List 
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Ted Drossos 
Sent: Fri, Mar 2, 2018 9:30 pm
Subject: Re: Stus-List Water heater


Raritan makes an excellent water heater. I had one on my 1983 C&C 29. The 
original was still working fine after 30 years. I purchased a new one because 
the top on the old one was starting to show signs of rust. I sold that boat 
before installing the new water heater. If anyone is interested in buying a 6 
gallon Raritan water heater with a heat exchanger, I still have it. Drop me a 
note. 


Ted Drossos
C&C 110
Lady in Red
Long Island, NY  

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