Re: Stus-List mast collar straps

[Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List]

I used ratcheting tie downs to pull the deck down towards the mast step -
and an OC6 crew standing on deck around the mast.
This was when I forgot to install the straps one year and only noticed days
later - the deck had "lifted" or perhaps as Steve points out, the weight of
the keel had something to do with it. In my case, halyard tension seemed to
play a role so don't forget to take the tension out of your rigging.

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto
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Stus-List Marine Surveyor Halifax,NS

[robert via CnC-List]

Aaron:
Just my curiosity but are you interested in a boat in Halifax?  If so, 
maybe one of us on the C&C list knows the boat/owner and can provide you 
with additional insight.

Regards
Rob

On 2016-08-02 10:39 PM, Aaron Rouhi via CnC-List wrote:

Thanks everyone for all the recommendations! Such a wonderful community!

Thanks again!

Cheers,
Aaron Rouhi
Admiral Maggie
79 30-1
Annapolis, MD




On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 8:16 PM -0400, "robert via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I have used these marine surveyorsboth are accredited 
surveyors..agree with Derek.


Linda and David Grant
Lunenburg Marine Surveys
902-212-2368
email - lunenburg.marine.surv...@gmail.com

Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 -84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2016-08-02 2:17 PM, Tortuga via CnC-List wrote:
I have used Lunenburg Marine Surveys 3 times. I think they are 
extremely pleasant, competent people to deal with: full of sound 
advice. They're not in Halifax but travel all over the province to 
survey.


http://www.boatsurveyors.biz/

Derek Kennedy
SV Tortuga, C&C 30 mk 1
Ballantyne's Cove, NS


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Re: Stus-List 1990 C&C 34+DK

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Hi Tom,

  you can look up boat classes on the Lake Ontario PHRF website without being
a member or handicapper.

Go to:

www.phrf-lo.org

and click on "Valid Class Search" on the left hand side. Enter "C&C 34" in 
"Class Name"
and that will display the six classes that PHRF-LO has ratings for. You can 
compare the
dimensions to see if any match your boat.

Michael Brown
Windburn
C&C 30-1


Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 17:28:01 -0400 
From: Tom Vaughan  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Stus-List PHRF - 1990 C&C 34+DK 

I am looking for Spinnaker & Non Spinnaker (Main & Jib) PHRFs for the above 
Boat. 
PHRF-LE couldn't find the Boat in their Database & assigned a PHRF for a 
different Boat. I looked at the C&C Owners Database & found two similar Boats. 
However there were many 34+ Boats, that either didn't say if they were DK or 
WK, or didn't list a PHRF. Any PHRF info on the 1990 C&C 34+DK would be 
appreciated.                                         Tom Vaughan, 1990 C&C 
34+DK, Summer Love II, Buffalo, New York 
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Josh,

A nice and compact solar arrangement.

totally off topic. 

In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It 
looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at the 
traveller.

Do you find that you use the winch a lot?

Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and removed 
the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1 with one end 
to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 
(https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line 
going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one clutch 
(that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in operation. A 
side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly with the 3:1 
(pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1 allows for very 
fine tuning.

Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).

Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I guess 
you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket on that 
fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install

Hey y'all, 

Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150 each 
on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold. Happy to 
answer any questions. 

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Flexible solar install

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Josh,
Are you powering just the fridge on its own separate battery bank with a 
regulator or is the solar hooked up through your house battery circuit?
I can't see from the photos how your panels connect to the dodger.  I'm looking 
to do a similar install on the Bimini of our LF 35 with flexible panels; 
however, I want to be able to take down the panels and canvas if we have any 
bad weather.  Thinking some sort of heavy duty snaps or industrial Velcro on 
the attachment of panels to the canvas.
Best
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 LF 35
Padanaram MA

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hey y'all,
> 
> Here's a link to my latest solar install.  Two 100w flexible panels.  ~$150 
> each on eBay.  I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day.  Keeps my beer cold. 
>  Happy to answer any questions.
> 
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
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Stus-List Hard bimini

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it yourself?
Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?

-- 
Joel
301 541 8551
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Stus-List Marine Surveyor

[robert via CnC-List]

Josh:
I bought my boat sight unseen in March 2006 from Racine, Wisconsin. I 
was not traveling there to inspect itI was relying on a survey.


From the internet, I chose an accredited surveyor from the local 
areait turned out he was a naval architect and a retired USA naval 
officer.  When I informed the broker who my surveyor was, he was not 
happy.he knew the guy and told me the surveyor "could pick pepper 
out of fly sh_t",  The broker said the surveyor would take up at least a 
full day maybe more and drive him crazy.  I knew then I had hired the 
right surveyor.


He naturally inspected the boat, all electrical systems/instruments were 
checked, the steering system, the rig was inspected, the sails were 
inventoried (they had to drive 20 miles to a sail loft where the sails 
were stored over the winter) and the surveyor insisted the boat yard 
start the engine on the 'hard' even though it was winterized with anti 
freeze.


I agree with you that not every surveyor is equal but I also believe 
some are more thorough than others.  Don't hire a surveyor too close to 
the broker.


To Aaron, who maybe thinking of a boat here, the local surveyor here 
closet to my experience would be Ian Tulloch.he built his own 40' 
sailboat and he is meticulous.


Rob Abbott
AZURA
C&C 32 - 84
Halifax, N.S.



On 2016-08-02 11:03 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List wrote:


I've had 3 different surveys all from various surveyors.  It is my 
opinion that the best survey is the one you do yourself and the best 
surveyor is the cheapest.  I've never had a surveyor who went to the 
depth of detail I would have wanted.  They are doing what almost 
anyone with an entry level of boat knowledge could do.  No engine.  No 
rig.  Not even a very in depth look at the electrical or structure.  
Basic and common stuff that will cause fires or sinking.  Your money 
is far better spent buying a book about how to perform your own 
survey.  You can even buy their (the surveyor's) moisture meters and 
IR cameras for less than the cost of the survey.  You perform the 
preliminary survey yourself.  If you like what you see then pay for 
the cheapest surveyor you can find just to get a check in the box for 
the bank or insurance.


Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD





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Stus-List Flexible solar install

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Great Job Josh!

If I get the boat of the lake and need solar one day that's exactly how I 
would hope to do it. 

That's beautifully done and produces a pretty amazing output for not much 
money to boot. 

-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA


From: Josh Muckley 
To: "C&C List" 
Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install
Message-ID:
 
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hey y'all,

Here's a link to my latest solar install.  Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150
each on eBay.  I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day.  Keeps my beer
cold.  Happy to answer any questions.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



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Stus-List PHRF - 1990 C&C 34+DK

[Jean-Francois J Rivard via CnC-List]

Hi Tom, 

You probably know this but the 34+, 34/36, 34/36 XL, and later 36XL are 
all the exact same boat.  The R is the same hull with a lighter cabin 
configuration and a more 'Extreme" rig.. 

As for your boat, it depends on several factors but it looks like your 
phrf would be somewhere in the 92-97 range.  Below is a copy of the 34/36 
/34+ section from the US Sailing document it does not say "DK" on the 
section but the average is in the 5-8 secs faster range compared to the 
'WK" list so that does make sense that the list below would be for a "DK" 
boat

As for the variables do you know if you have the "Performance" rig? Being 
a deep keel boat it's likely to be the case. There were 4 rig 
configuration that I know of on these boats: 

"Standard": E:13'7", P:41'3" I:47'5", 
J:14'10" SA 636sq Ft   2 spreader mast 
"Standard Performance or "tall" "   E:14'6", P:42'6" I:48'8", J:14'10" 
SA 669sq Ft   2 spreader mast 
"XL:E:14'6", P:42'6" I:48'8", 
J:14'10" SA 669sq Ft   3 spreader mast
"R ":   E:15'1", P:43'2" I:48'8", J:14'10" 
SA 686sq Ft   3 spreader mast


Outside of the rig dimensions you get standard corrections for folding / 
non folding prop, furling headsail, max headsail size etc. 
 


PHRFCodeYear#Boats
LAKE MICHIGAN   90  C   00  0
MID ATLANTIC99  A   00  1
LAKE ERIE   90  A   05  1
DETROIT 87  A   08  0
KEY WEST RACE   93  B   99  1
NEW ENGLAND 87  A   96  0
ST LAWRENCE VAL 90  B   09  0
YRALIS  99  C   05  1
SAN DIEGO   96  A   11  1
NO CALIFORNIA   90  C   00  1
NORTHWEST   99  B   09  3


You can contact me off list if you want to dig deeper. 


Good luck, really fun boat to race it's competitive once you get the hang 
of it.  I still raise eyebrows and get the how the heck did you do that? 
Comments :-) 


-Francois Rivard
1990 34+ "Take Five"
Lake Lanier, GA



Message: 1
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2016 17:28:01 -0400
From: Tom Vaughan 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List PHRF - 1990 C&C 34+DK
Message-ID: <7ae9ed0f-6a2f-4dac-b0a6-68b6f6190...@yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii

I am looking for Spinnaker & Non Spinnaker (Main & Jib) PHRFs for the 
above Boat.
PHRF-LE couldn't find the Boat in their Database & assigned a PHRF for a 
different Boat. I looked at the C&C Owners Database & found two similar 
Boats. However there were many 34+ Boats, that either didn't say if they 
were DK or WK, or didn't list a PHRF. Any PHRF info on the 1990 C&C 34+DK 
would be appreciated. Tom Vaughan, 
1990 C&C 34+DK, Summer Love II, Buffalo, New York
Sent from my iPhone

Regards

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on the 
traveller?  It looks like two lines coming out of the cam?  
  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Josh,
>  
> A nice and compact solar arrangement.
>  
> totally off topic.
>  
> In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It 
> looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at the 
> traveller.
>  
> Do you find that you use the winch a lot?
>  
> Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and removed 
> the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1 with one end 
> to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 
> (https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR 
> ) and got rid of the line 
> going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one clutch 
> (that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in operation. A 
> side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly with the 3:1 
> (pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1 allows for 
> very fine tuning.
>  
> Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).
>  
> Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I 
> guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket 
> on that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).
>  
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>  
> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
> To: C&C List 
> Cc: Josh Muckley 
> Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install
>  
> Hey y'all,
> Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150 
> each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold. 
> Happy to answer any questions.
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA 
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Dave,

in my view this is the neatest thing. It is a Garhauer block. I don’t remember 
the particular code for it. It is a Series 30 block; they have it (had it?) as 
part of their normal soft vang offering. If you talk to Mark or Guido they 
would know what it is. They can also adjust the angle of the cleat.

The whole idea is that it provides for the dual (6:1/3:1) purchase: you pull 
both lines and it is 3:1 (for quick (and coarse) adjustments – great for 
gybing); you pull on one line and it is 6:1 and it is easy to fine tune the 
main.

The original set up was 4:1 and it was at time difficult to uncleat the line or 
pull it tight when close hauled and with apparent winds around 20 kt.  With 6:1 
– no problems at all.

The only drawback is that you need a bit more of the sheet. Mine is almost 70 
ft.

Harken has something similar (but I am afraid at a different level of cost). I 
cannot find it at Harken web site, but you can see it at the SBO forum here: 
http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/main-sheet-tackle-block-size-question.180502/#post-1312560
 (post #9).

If you are interested I can find the invoice from Garhauer to see what the 
actual model number is.

Marek

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:32
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on the 
traveller?  It looks like two lines coming out of the cam?   
  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

 

  On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Josh,

  A nice and compact solar arrangement.

  totally off topic. 

  In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It 
looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at the 
traveller.

  Do you find that you use the winch a lot?

  Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and removed 
the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1 with one end 
to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 
(https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line 
going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one clutch 
(that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in operation. A 
side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly with the 3:1 
(pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1 allows for very 
fine tuning.

  Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).

  Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I 
guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket on 
that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).

  Marek
  1994 C270 “Legato”
  Ottawa, ON

  From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
  To: C&C List 
  Cc: Josh Muckley 
  Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install

  Hey y'all, 
  Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150 
each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold. 
Happy to answer any questions. 
  https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

Dave,

I found the Harken block. The price is not for the  faint in heart.
http://www.harken.com/productdetail.aspx?sku=401. No question it is better. It 
has a ratcheting action in the sheaves and you can adjust the angle of the 
cleat.

Garhauer block was around $75

Marek


From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:32
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on the 
traveller?  It looks like two lines coming out of the cam?   
  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT

 

  On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Josh,

  A nice and compact solar arrangement.

  totally off topic. 

  In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It 
looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at the 
traveller.

  Do you find that you use the winch a lot?

  Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and removed 
the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1 with one end 
to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 
(https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line 
going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one clutch 
(that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in operation. A 
side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly with the 3:1 
(pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1 allows for very 
fine tuning.

  Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).

  Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I 
guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket on 
that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).

  Marek
  1994 C270 “Legato”
  Ottawa, ON

  From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
  To: C&C List 
  Cc: Josh Muckley 
  Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install

  Hey y'all, 
  Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150 
each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold. 
Happy to answer any questions. 
  https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
  Josh Muckley
  S/V Sea Hawk
  1989 C&C 37+
  Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

exactly

Marek


From: Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:16
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

looks like a double ended mainsheet. Pull/release both lines for gross trim, 
one line for fine trim or when loads are high. 

Joel

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:30 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on 
the traveller? It looks like two lines coming out of the cam? 
  Dave

  Aries
  1990 C&C 34+
  New London, CT

   

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

looks like a double ended mainsheet.  Pull/release both lines for gross
trim, one line for fine trim or when loads are high.

Joel

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 10:30 AM, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on
> the traveller?  It looks like two lines coming out of the cam?
>   Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
> On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Josh,
>
> A nice and compact solar arrangement.
>
> totally off topic.
>
> In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement.
> It looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at
> the traveller.
>
> Do you find that you use the winch a lot?
>
> Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and
> removed the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1
> with one end to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 (
> https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line
> going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one
> clutch (that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in
> operation. A side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly
> with the 3:1 (pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1
> allows for very fine tuning.
>
> Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).
>
> Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I
> guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket
> on that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
> *To:* C&C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Flexible solar install
>
> Hey y'all,
> Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150
> each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold.
> Happy to answer any questions.
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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>


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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

Hi Marek- That is really cool.  I did not think I could do a dual purchase with 
the small distance between the traveller and the cabin top.  I will follow up 
with Garhauer.  Have you ever had problems with it popping out during jibes?  
Dave

Dr. David Knecht
Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology
Core Microscopy Facility Director
University of Connecticut   
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200

> On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
>  
> in my view this is the neatest thing. It is a Garhauer block. I don’t 
> remember the particular code for it. It is a Series 30 block; they have it 
> (had it?) as part of their normal soft vang offering. If you talk to Mark or 
> Guido they would know what it is. They can also adjust the angle of the cleat.
>  
> The whole idea is that it provides for the dual (6:1/3:1) purchase: you pull 
> both lines and it is 3:1 (for quick (and coarse) adjustments – great for 
> gybing); you pull on one line and it is 6:1 and it is easy to fine tune the 
> main.
>  
> The original set up was 4:1 and it was at time difficult to uncleat the line 
> or pull it tight when close hauled and with apparent winds around 20 kt.  
> With 6:1 – no problems at all.
>  
> The only drawback is that you need a bit more of the sheet. Mine is almost 70 
> ft.
>  
> Harken has something similar (but I am afraid at a different level of cost). 
> I cannot find it at Harken web site, but you can see it at the SBO forum 
> here: 
> http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/main-sheet-tackle-block-size-question.180502/#post-1312560
>  
> 
>  (post #9).
>  
> If you are interested I can find the invoice from Garhauer to see what the 
> actual model number is.
>  
> Marek
>  
> From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:32
> To: CnC CnC discussion list 
> Cc: David Knecht 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)
>  
> Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on 
> the traveller?  It looks like two lines coming out of the cam?  
>   Dave
>  
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
> 
> 
>  
>> On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>  
>> Josh,
>>  
>> A nice and compact solar arrangement.
>>  
>> totally off topic.
>>  
>> In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It 
>> looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at the 
>> traveller.
>>  
>> Do you find that you use the winch a lot?
>>  
>> Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and 
>> removed the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1 
>> with one end to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 
>> (https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR 
>> ) and got rid of the line 
>> going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one clutch 
>> (that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in operation. A 
>> side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly with the 3:1 
>> (pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1 allows for 
>> very fine tuning.
>>  
>> Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).
>>  
>> Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I 
>> guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket 
>> on that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).
>>  
>> Marek
>> 1994 C270 “Legato”
>> Ottawa, ON
>>  
>> From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
>> To: C&C List 
>> Cc: Josh Muckley 
>> Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install
>>  
>> Hey y'all,
>> Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150 
>> each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold. 
>> Happy to answer any questions.
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA 
>> 
>> Josh Muckley
>> S/V Sea Hawk
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle

[Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List]

David,

no never. I will find (at home) the part number of that block.

if you deal with Garhauer, call them and talk to Mark or Guido. Email works 
only after the first contact.

Marek

From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 11:57
To: CnC CnC discussion list 
Cc: David Knecht 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle

Hi Marek- That is really cool.  I did not think I could do a dual purchase with 
the small distance between the traveller and the cabin top.  I will follow up 
with Garhauer.  Have you ever had problems with it popping out during jibes?  
Dave 

Dr. David Knecht 
Professor of Molecular and Cell Biology
Core Microscopy Facility Director
University of Connecticut 
91 N. Eagleville Rd.
Storrs, CT 06269
860-486-2200

  On Aug 3, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

  Dave,

  in my view this is the neatest thing. It is a Garhauer block. I don’t 
remember the particular code for it. It is a Series 30 block; they have it (had 
it?) as part of their normal soft vang offering. If you talk to Mark or Guido 
they would know what it is. They can also adjust the angle of the cleat.

  The whole idea is that it provides for the dual (6:1/3:1) purchase: you pull 
both lines and it is 3:1 (for quick (and coarse) adjustments – great for 
gybing); you pull on one line and it is 6:1 and it is easy to fine tune the 
main.

  The original set up was 4:1 and it was at time difficult to uncleat the line 
or pull it tight when close hauled and with apparent winds around 20 kt.  With 
6:1 – no problems at all.

  The only drawback is that you need a bit more of the sheet. Mine is almost 70 
ft.

  Harken has something similar (but I am afraid at a different level of cost). 
I cannot find it at Harken web site, but you can see it at the SBO forum here: 
http://forums.sailboatowners.com/index.php?threads/main-sheet-tackle-block-size-question.180502/#post-1312560
 (post #9).

  If you are interested I can find the invoice from Garhauer to see what the 
actual model number is.

  Marek

  From: David Knecht via CnC-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 10:32
  To: CnC CnC discussion list 
  Cc: David Knecht 
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

  Hi Marek- Speaking of mainsheets- what is that block and cleat you have on 
the traveller?  It looks like two lines coming out of the cam?   
Dave

  Aries
  1990 C&C 34+
  New London, CT

   

On Aug 3, 2016, at 8:35 AM, Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Josh,

A nice and compact solar arrangement.

totally off topic. 

In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It 
looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at the 
traveller.

Do you find that you use the winch a lot?

Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and 
removed the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1 with 
one end to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 
(https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line 
going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one clutch 
(that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in operation. A 
side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly with the 3:1 
(pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1 allows for very 
fine tuning.

Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).

Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I 
guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket on 
that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

From: Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
To: C&C List 
Cc: Josh Muckley 
Subject: Stus-List Flexible solar install

Hey y'all, 
Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150 
each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold. 
Happy to answer any questions. 
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Marek,

I don't use the winch at all though I could.  I do use the cabin top
clutch... Almost exclusively.  I believe that it is actually a 3:1
compounded with a 4:1  = 12:1.  In a heavy blow which would require use of
the winch I use the 12:1.  I call it a tweaker since it allows me to fine
tune or tweak the mainsheet (quickly from the cockpit).  The biggest reason
I have not developed a system like you suggested is that I hate having the
cockpit floor covered in rope.  My mainsheet is roughly 80 feet of 1/2"
rope which allows full extension of the boom and even use of the system for
MOB recovery.  With cabin top clutch I just send the mainsheet tail down
the companion way.  For MOB it is likely that I would use a winch.  In that
case though, one method is to simply pull down on the part of the sheet
running under the boom.  With 3:1 even a relatively small person can lift a
relatively heavy person from the water.  Distance is a problem though.  You
might only lift them a foot before you are out of room to hang on the line.

Gaurhaur is stylish, robust, and cost effective.  I'm not a die hard fan
but certainly enjoy a quality product.

Yes to your last statement.  There were 2 options, make a 16:1 and have
tons of sheet sitting on the floor or make it 12:1 and have a little less
sheet going down the companion way.

As with most things on board a boat there are things you have to learn to
live with and those which you simply have to learn the best ways to use.
My wife and I are both completely capable of fully hardening the mainsheet
without the use of a winch.  Pulling the sheet is a combined effort of
pulling down on the middle purchase line while simultaneously pulling the
sheet tail through the clutch.  If the wind is heavy then the tweaker is
needed to follow.   Easing the sheet does require stepping under the dodger
to open the clutch.

Here are some better pictures.
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yY3Qtbi1VSllwM3M

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Aug 3, 2016 8:36 AM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" 
wrote:

Josh,

A nice and compact solar arrangement.

totally off topic.

In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement. It
looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at
the traveller.

Do you find that you use the winch a lot?

Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and
removed the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1
with one end to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 (
https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line
going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one
clutch (that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in
operation. A side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly
with the 3:1 (pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1
allows for very fine tuning.

Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).

Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I
guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket
on that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).

Marek
1994 C270 “Legato”
Ottawa, ON

*From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
*Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
*To:* C&C List 
*Cc:* Josh Muckley 
*Subject:* Stus-List Flexible solar install


Hey y'all,

Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150
each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold.
Happy to answer any questions.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

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Re: Stus-List Main sheet tackle (was: Flexible solar install)

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Marek,

I forgot to mention that for gybing, the 3:1 is forgiving and since it is a
transient condition what we do is simply pull down on the head of the 4:1
system.  It hardens the mainsheet very quickly and then you just play all
that slack right back out.  No clutch work needed under the dodger.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Aug 3, 2016 8:36 AM, "Marek Dziedzic via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
>
> A nice and compact solar arrangement.
>
> totally off topic.
>
> In your pictures I noticed an interesting main sheet tackle arrangement.
> It looks like a 2:1 going to the cabin top winch and 8:1 (?) (4:1 + 2:1) at
> the traveller.
>
> Do you find that you use the winch a lot?
>
> Different boat (smaller), but I changed the two-ended arrangement and
> removed the end going to the cabin top winch. My original set-up was 4:1
> with one end to the winch. I replaced it with 3:1/6:1 (
> https://1drv.ms/i/s!At7BtDHoAfRtnW5Qt2KYoqX45pRR) and got rid of the line
> going along the boom to the mast and back. In the process I freed one
> clutch (that I use now for the vang). Less clutter and very simple in
> operation. A side benefit is that you can sheet the main in quite quickly
> with the 3:1 (pulling on both lines) – quite handy when gybing. And the 6:1
> allows for very fine tuning.
>
> Btw. I noticed that you are a fan of Garhauer (;-).
>
> Btw2. I also noticed that you have one sheave on the bottom block free. I
> guess you played with your arrangement a bit. I imagine you needed a becket
> on that fiddle block to attach the secondary tackle (the 4:1).
>
> Marek
> 1994 C270 “Legato”
> Ottawa, ON
>
> *From:* Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 3, 2016 02:39
> *To:* C&C List 
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley 
> *Subject:* Stus-List Flexible solar install
>
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Here's a link to my latest solar install. Two 100w flexible panels. ~$150
> each on eBay. I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day. Keeps my beer cold.
> Happy to answer any questions.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Very worth while.

Dan Wood at Canvas creations in Annapolis made mine but Dan seems quite
overwhelmed with the amount of time required.  It took almost 6 months
before I had a completed dodger.  I not entirely dissatisfied but would do
a little shopping around before using him again.  He was exceptionally
willing to work with me and engineer everything.  We worked through all
types of constraints and made all of the necessary compromises.  I pushed
him out of his comfort zone in a couple of different places along the way.
I just wish that it didn't take so long to get a finished product.
Technically it is still unfinished.  It was supposed to get handrails along
the sides.

Cost about $3600.  Considerably more than a traditional dodger.  In hind
sight I could have saved some money by reusing the original frame.  I would
also probably change the design a little too.  Maybe

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Aug 3, 2016 8:48 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it yourself?
> Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?
>
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Pretty sure you meant hard dodger.  I have thought about getting a hard
bimini too.  The engineering and planning is the hold up.

Josh

On Aug 3, 2016 8:48 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it yourself?
> Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Flexible solar install

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Chuck,

Since the dodger is hard starboard I used 1/2" sheet metal screws to hold
the panels in place.  I was warned beforehand that the starboard and panels
would have a differential expansion due to temperature which could cause
buckling.  To avoid this I replaced the tiny original brass grommets on the
panels with 3/8ths hole #2 grommets.  Using a #10 screw means that there is
plenty of slop to allow expansion/contraction.

I considered that when the panels get hot they lose efficiency.  I tried to
facilitate some air flow under the panels by using 1" felt chair sliders
spaced strategically under the panel.

Solar system is hooked straight to my house bank.  I have a "priority
start" low voltage shutoff on the house bank so in the event that the solsr
doesn't keep up, the batteries will be automatically disconnected before a
damaging deep deep discharge occurs.  Off my house bank I only keep the
bilge pump and fridge available while away from the boat.

Getting off shore power was my primary goal since derelict boats at my
marina are hypothesized to be the cause of unusually fast anode destruction.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Aug 3, 2016 8:42 AM, "Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Josh,
> Are you powering just the fridge on its own separate battery bank with a
> regulator or is the solar hooked up through your house battery circuit?
> I can't see from the photos how your panels connect to the dodger.  I'm
> looking to do a similar install on the Bimini of our LF 35 with flexible
> panels; however, I want to be able to take down the panels and canvas if we
> have any bad weather.  Thinking some sort of heavy duty snaps or industrial
> Velcro on the attachment of panels to the canvas.
> Best
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 LF 35
> Padanaram MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2016, at 2:38 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Here's a link to my latest solar install.  Two 100w flexible panels.
> ~$150 each on eBay.  I've been getting about 1000WHrs per day.  Keeps my
> beer cold.  Happy to answer any questions.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Please trim your replies.  Especially to digests.

thx

Typoed from my iPhone

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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Josh,
 Any pictures?
Gary
S/V Kaylarah
'90 C&C 37+
East Greenwich, RI, USA

~~~_/)~~


On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Pretty sure you meant hard dodger.  I have thought about getting a hard
> bimini too.  The engineering and planning is the hold up.
>
> Josh
>
> On Aug 3, 2016 8:48 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it yourself?
>> Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?
>>
>> --
>> Joel
>> 301 541 8551
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[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Only best pictures of the dodger are actually the ones I took for the solar
panels.  I'll see about taking more.

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA

Josh

On Aug 3, 2016 4:28 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> Josh,
>  Any pictures?
> Gary
> S/V Kaylarah
> '90 C&C 37+
> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>
> ~~~_/)~~
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Pretty sure you meant hard dodger.  I have thought about getting a hard
>> bimini too.  The engineering and planning is the hold up.
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2016 8:48 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it yourself?
>>> Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?
>>>
>>> --
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>>> 301 541 8551
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[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Here is a good step by step on a Hard dodger build from PNW sailors, Andy
Cross.

http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/cruising-news/roger-dodger/

On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:35 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Only best pictures of the dodger are actually the ones I took for the
> solar panels.  I'll see about taking more.
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
>
> Josh
>
> On Aug 3, 2016 4:28 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Josh,
>>  Any pictures?
>> Gary
>> S/V Kaylarah
>> '90 C&C 37+
>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>
>> ~~~_/)~~
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Pretty sure you meant hard dodger.  I have thought about getting a hard
>>> bimini too.  The engineering and planning is the hold up.
>>>
>>> Josh
>>>
>>> On Aug 3, 2016 8:48 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it
 yourself?  Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?

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Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

Hopefully, many of you already know this but I guess I just missed this one
somehow.

Saw a recent article on a sailor getting cited by USCG for an expired fire
extinguisher.  I didn't know they expired.  I don't think it's actually in
the USCG regs, it's in NFPA 10, "Standards for Portable Fire
Extinguishers".  The USCG incorporates by reference the inspection and
expiration requirements of NFPA 10.

Without digging into it to see if it's REALLY a USCG regulatory requirement
or just USCG "guidance", I really don't want to argue with a Coastie over
it.  I plan to inspect the ones on the boat and look for a date this
weekend.

Anyway, a cursory look at NFPA 10 says that extinguishers expire 12 years
from date of manufacture.  I looked at the one at my house and could not
find a date.

Being cautious, I was at Walmart today and I pulled a couple out of the box
and, sure enough, there was a year stamped on the bottom and wording on the
label to effect that it must be removed from service 12 years after date of
manufacture.  I bought a new one for the house.

I suspect the ones on the boat are so old they possibly don't have a date
at all.  I suspect I'll be buying a couple new extinguishers this weekend.
:(  Boats like ours generally require two B-1 extinguishers.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA
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Re: Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[BillBinaList via CnC-List]

Be aware that the white "marine" extinguishers are completely identical 
in all ways to the ones at home depot except for the color. All of the 
ratings, corrosion resistance, etc are the same. There is nothing 
special about the "marine" ones except the geometrically multiplied 
price, and that they are white to look yachty.


Bill Bina


On 8/3/2016 6:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
Hopefully, many of you already know this but I guess I just missed 
this one somehow.


Saw a recent article on a sailor getting cited by USCG for an expired 
fire extinguisher.  I didn't know they expired.  I don't think it's 
actually in the USCG regs, it's in NFPA 10, "Standards for Portable 
Fire Extinguishers".  The USCG incorporates by reference the 
inspection and expiration requirements of NFPA 10.


Without digging into it to see if it's REALLY a USCG regulatory 
requirement or just USCG "guidance", I really don't want to argue with 
a Coastie over it.  I plan to inspect the ones on the boat and look 
for a date this weekend.


Anyway, a cursory look at NFPA 10 says that extinguishers expire 12 
years from date of manufacture.  I looked at the one at my house and 
could not find a date.


Being cautious, I was at Walmart today and I pulled a couple out of 
the box and, sure enough, there was a year stamped on the bottom and 
wording on the label to effect that it must be removed from service 12 
years after date of manufacture.  I bought a new one for the house.


I suspect the ones on the boat are so old they possibly don't have a 
date at all.  I suspect I'll be buying a couple new extinguishers this 
weekend.  :(  Boats like ours generally require two B-1 extinguishers.


Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA


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Re: Stus-List Please trim replies

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

Maybe Stu should stop offering the digest option. Those replies tend to be
90% of the problem.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC

On 3 August 2016 at 11:10, Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List  wrote:

> Please trim your replies.  Especially to digests.
>
> thx
>
> Typoed from my iPhone
>
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Re: Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

And I’d definitely consider the 1A10BC rated extinguishers for a boat over a 
1B.  Home Despot has two Kidde 1A10BCs “for recreational use” for a little more 
than you’d pay for one of the white “Mariner” extinguishers (virtually the 
same, but white):  
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Kidde-Recreational-1-A-10-B-C-Fire-Extinguisher-2-Pack-21008939N/205753457
 

 

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

> On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:50 PM, BillBinaList via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Be aware that the white "marine" extinguishers are completely identical in 
> all ways to the ones at home depot except for the color. All of the ratings, 
> corrosion resistance, etc are the same. There is nothing special about the 
> "marine" ones except the geometrically multiplied price, and that they are 
> white to look yachty. 
> 
> Bill Bina
> 
> 
> On 8/3/2016 6:25 PM, Dennis C. via CnC-List wrote:
>> Hopefully, many of you already know this but I guess I just missed this one 
>> somehow.
>> 
>> Saw a recent article on a sailor getting cited by USCG for an expired fire 
>> extinguisher.  I didn't know they expired.  I don't think it's actually in 
>> the USCG regs, it's in NFPA 10, "Standards for Portable Fire Extinguishers". 
>>  The USCG incorporates by reference the inspection and expiration 
>> requirements of NFPA 10.
>> 
>> Without digging into it to see if it's REALLY a USCG regulatory requirement 
>> or just USCG "guidance", I really don't want to argue with a Coastie over 
>> it.  I plan to inspect the ones on the boat and look for a date this weekend.
>> 
>> Anyway, a cursory look at NFPA 10 says that extinguishers expire 12 years 
>> from date of manufacture.  I looked at the one at my house and could not 
>> find a date.  
>> 
>> Being cautious, I was at Walmart today and I pulled a couple out of the box 
>> and, sure enough, there was a year stamped on the bottom and wording on the 
>> label to effect that it must be removed from service 12 years after date of 
>> manufacture.  I bought a new one for the house.  
>> 
>> I suspect the ones on the boat are so old they possibly don't have a date at 
>> all.  I suspect I'll be buying a couple new extinguishers this weekend.  :(  
>> Boats like ours generally require two B-1 extinguishers.
>> 
>> Dennis C.
>> Touche' 35-1 #83
>> Mandeville, LA

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Re: Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Interesting discussion...i changed out my extinguishers this summer because 
they were 15 years old.

Does anyone know how to properly dispose of old extinguishers that are still 
charged??

Mike
Atacama 33mkii
Toronto 
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Re: Stus-List Hard bimini

[Gary Russell via CnC-List]

Wow!  Incredible!
Gary

~~~_/)~~


On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Here is a good step by step on a Hard dodger build from PNW sailors, Andy
> Cross.
>
> http://www.bwsailing.com/bw/cruising-news/roger-dodger/
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:35 PM Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Only best pictures of the dodger are actually the ones I took for the
>> solar panels.  I'll see about taking more.
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B8pEh5lnvP1yLXU5RzRyWjZXTDA
>>
>> Josh
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2016 4:28 PM, "Gary Russell via CnC-List" <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Josh,
>>>  Any pictures?
>>> Gary
>>> S/V Kaylarah
>>> '90 C&C 37+
>>> East Greenwich, RI, USA
>>>
>>> ~~~_/)~~
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
>>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>>
 Pretty sure you meant hard dodger.  I have thought about getting a hard
 bimini too.  The engineering and planning is the hold up.

 Josh

 On Aug 3, 2016 8:48 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" <
 cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I see Josh has a hard bimini.  Josh and others, did you do it
> yourself?  Was it difficult/costly/worthwhile?
>
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Re: Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[Russ & Melody via CnC-List]

Hi Mike,

A good way to dispose of the extinguisher is to use it in practise on 
a fire built for the purpose, preferably with the direction of 
someone who has some experience. There is basic technique that is 
more effective than waving the thing around.


Then use a shop to recharge & certify or chuck it in the metal 
recycle bin. If it's an old but good quality unit it might be better 
than a new one after the re-cert.


Cheers, Russ
Sweet 35 mk-1


At 05:55 PM 03/08/2016, you wrote:
Interesting discussion...i changed out my extinguishers this summer 
because they were 15 years old.


Does anyone know how to properly dispose of old extinguishers that 
are still charged??


Mike
Atacama 33mkii
Toronto
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Re: Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[Michael Crombie via CnC-List]

Excellent suggestion! 

Thanks

Mike 
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Re: Stus-List Fire extinguishers - expiration and inspection

[Lee Youngblood via CnC-List]

Hi Mike,

Have you owned the boat for 15 years?  As a broker its a running joke with 
surveyors- you check the fire extinguishers to find out when the boat sold last.

Cheers, Lee
On Aug 3, 2016, at 5:55 PM, Michael Crombie via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> Interesting discussion...i changed out my extinguishers this summer because 
> they were 15 years old.
> 
> Does anyone know how to properly dispose of old extinguishers that are still 
> charged??
> 
> Mike
> Atacama 33mkii
> Toronto 
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Stus-List Finally Won a Race

[RANDY via CnC-List]

I finally won a race tonight - the first time all season out of some 15 races - 
so I thought I'd share what went right. Finally beat the winning boats in the 
fleet - two Catalina 27s - boat-for-boat and I don't think they'll correct over 
me. 

1. The wind was about perfect for the 30-1, blowing Beaufort 4 gusting Beaufort 
5. I was able to carry full main and 155% genoa without excessive weather helm, 
and I had six people on board so plenty of rail meat. 

2. Had a good start at the committee boat end of the line on starboard tack. A 
barger caused a logjam in front of me and I managed to duck under it all and 
crossed the line first. Led the fleet to and around the windward mark with only 
two tacks upwind. I had clean air and they couldn't close the gap. Sail trim 
was good on both sails. 

3. The Catalina 27s passed me downwind as did a Cal 22. They went wing and wing 
the whole time, while I started out broad reaching and gybing to keep both 
sails hotter. I eventually switched to wing and wing too, but couldn't retake 
them. One of them had his genny poled out, and I didn't. They flew their sails 
better than me, but I tried to limit my losses. 

4. When rounding the leeward mark I was able to cut inside and above the Cal 22 
and one of the Catalina 27s, and retook them both on close reach to the offset 
mark. Only one Catalina 27 remained ahead of me. 

5. At the offset mark that leading Catalina 27 tacked, so I gambled and just 
hardened up to close-hauled. That turned out to be a lucky move. I only had to 
tack once, several minutes later, to make the finish line. I was able to point 
high enough to make the pin end on starboard tack and hold off the Catalina 27 
who was finishing on port tack, but he wasn't close enough to make it an issue. 
Fortunately for me he just sailed a longer / slower course after the offset 
mark, given the wind direction. 

I think the main reasons we won were a good start, and lucky gambling tactics 
around the leeward mark and after the offset mark. This rarely or never happens 
for me, so I'm still trying to figure out why :) The only thing I'd do 
differently is sail dead downwind wing and wing with my genny poled out, like 
the other guys, instead of trying to broad reach and gybe to the leeward mark. 
Hopefully I can have as good of luck next week. 

Cheers, 
Randy Stafford 
S/V Grenadine 
C&C 30-1 #7 
Ken Caryl, CO 


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